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plmarquette #fundie christianforums.com

If gays would quit making statements like " I'm gay and you have to employ me ; be nice to me ; acknowledge me "... perphaps people would accept them as good , evil , or wierd just like the rest of us ...

any one who walks up and says ...
I'm gay and desire to construction work
an athiest who wants to work in a church
I'm a junkie and wish to work at a drug store
or I am a pedophile and want to do day care
or a rapist who seeks to work in an abuse center ..
is an idiot and should be treated as such ...

stray bullet #fundie christianforums.com

Brits are cowards, generally. They feel a lot of collective guilt for centuries of imperialism- brought by war against non-European countries like Iran.

America never fought other countries to create colonies and exploit people and resources- so we have no problem going to another country and attacking them. They blame themselves for the situation those nations are in.

KarateCowboy #fundie christianforums.com

[Certain uncouth immature people of course are only able to focus on the sexual aspect of being gay; their attempt to dehumanize gays and lesbians and justify their feelings of bitterness, hatred and irrational fear. In time they may see the light and join the rest of us in reality. Until such time they need to be utterly demoralized and defeated.]

Heh heh. Now as I understand it the Catechism of Buttloving states that "the only differences between a same-sex and opposite sex couple is superficial" according to Reverend Buttjoy. If that is true, then the implication mere matters of physical parts: chiefly the body. So if that is the case then there is not a whole lot to focus on besides the sexual part. I do not believe it is true, of course, but even if that were the case the differences are still huge.

BAFRIEND #fundie christianforums.com

[Sounds like what you're saying is that Protestants aren't "real" Christians; and that the true domain of Christianity is found in the Roman Catholic Church?

A whole bunch of Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, Seventh Day Adventist, etc. Christians are going to strongly disagree with you.

One more thing: the word "Protestant" should be capitalized. Not to capitalize the "P" in Protestant is a strong insult towards Protestants.]

protestant protestant protestant CATHOLIC.

Oye11 #fundie christianforums.com

A part of me wants to see atheists and so called "rational" people have a chance to run the world and see if this proves the death nell to greed, oppression, and empire building...[wink] We had that dream once in America until Charles Manson shocked us back into reality. And the flower children faded when they got some cash in their pockets...

Robbie_James_Francis #fundie christianforums.com

If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural, the former being that which is in harmony with his plan and his nature. He is, of course, also the only means by which anyone can tell what is right and wrong.

If it necessary and/or beneficial for a society or nation not to contravene god's laws and tolerate disobedience to them, preferring rather that which is 'right' and 'natural' according to god, its legislation, the key way in which it controls the populace, should reflect this.

If god created sex for a married woman and man, then it is immoral for unmarried women and men to have sex with one another, because it is a violation of god's plan for humanity.

Should extramarital sex be criminalised? At the very least, should the State not remove any children produced through extramarital sex, so that they are not poisoned with this immorality and un-natural behaviour?

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

[Sadly not. According to gallup's last poll only 99.86% of people with a relevant ( biological ) degree accept evolution.]

Well, until I get a "relevant ( biological ) degree" ... no ... skip that ... if I had a "relevant ( biological ) degree", I'd be in the .14 percentage.

Lisa0315 #fundie christianforums.com

[Whether abortion is legal under the US Constitution is not a question of religion.

By the same token would you prohibit schools from teaching that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old just because some religious opinions do not recognize reality?]

Yep, and you would choose to teach my kids something you call reality but cannot be proven.

I hate to tell you this, but the Constitution is like the Law of Moses. It shows the need for a Saviour. The law cannot satisfy everyone. The law cannot be just for everyone. There will be no true justice until Christ is King.

defiastraitor #fundie christianforums.com

[Responding to article about UK criminalising dropping out of school before 18]

Sigh...this is obviously just another way of chipping away at parents rights in subservience to the pro-communist, pro-homosexual perversion, anti-Christian government.

Time4AChange #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

I can prove homosexual sex is a sin.

1) Any extra marital sex is a sin.
2) marriage is only between a man and a woman
3) ergo there is no such thing as a gay marriage
4) So without marriage all homosexual sex becomes extramarital.
5) ergo homosexual sex is a sin.]

Thank you Lord for giving him the wisdom to put it in this way....now no matter what anyone says, they can't twist your truth anymore without admitting there's sin involved....Lord you know I was getting so sick of the denial of Your Word, but there's no denying what You just said thru this brother. Thank You Jesus

Time4AChange #fundie christianforums.com

[Matthew was written in response to the Pharisees, it wasn't a general wide audience thing.

Care to show me where it says that marriage is only between a man and a woman? or condemning of a same sex relationship? what about a sexual orientation?]

lol...i dont care to show you anything dave, u just took denial to a whole new level, so ill just let you be and pray for you

HopeBforJC #fundie christianforums.com

Killed back to life, proof of gods existence.

When a person is alive and you kill them, they are then dead. If you kill them again, you kill them back to life. And so God will ressurect the dead by killing them back to life.

Except for the people that are currently living, everyone who has ever lived has died. The only person that is powerful enough to kill all those people is God. Since they are dead, that is proof that God exists.

Loves Truth #fundie christianforums.com

[Word re-definition project?}

A secular state would say nothing favorable about God, would not honor religious holidays, would not call the nation to prayer every year, would not print IN GOD WE TRUST on our money and post it in our courts, would not display the Ten Commandments in six places in or on our Supreme Court Building, would not hire military chapliains, senate chaplains, and prison chaplains, and would not allow a state like Ohio to adopt WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE as a state motto, and would not allow tax exemptions to religious organizations and tax deductions for donations to them.

America is FAITH-FRIENDLY AND GOD-FRIENDLY. The country has no state church though and treats all faiths equally under the law. I think that is what you may have meant by "secular". Secular is the wrong word.

TheListener #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

Homosexuality is also abusive behaviour.

It is not natural. An anus is not meant for sex, it is for defecating bodily waste. Don't use the "animals do it too" logic either unless you want to lower yourself to the same reasoning ability of an animal. Animals also like incest, so does that make incest normal natural behaviour?

If it isn't abusive behaviour then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels?

And as it was said, there is not a single shred of evidence that homosexuality is inborn, just wishful theories. Probably by the same scientists who think God doesn't exist.

TheListener #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

Proof homosexual sex is a sin

I can prove homosexual sex is a sin.

1) Any extra marital sex is a sin.
2) marriage is only between a man and a woman
3) ergo there is no such thing as a gay marriage
4) So without marriage all homosexual sex becomes extramarital.
5) ergo homosexual sex is a sin.

huldah153 #fundie christianforums.com

If you don't want to be influenced by forces of evil, avoid Darwinism. For years atheistic evolution has been shoved down our throats and all the massive evidence against it is suppressed. This has been done to destroy belief and faith in Almighty God and Lord Jesus. The promotion of evolution is the main cause for the decline of Christianity and destruction of Christian civilisation. Can you really believe that the human brain, a million times more complex than any computer, developed from green slime over a billion years by chance? If you want evidence for creation, just look around.

mcart909 #fundie christianforums.com

Which sins are atheists guilty of?

The Bible is clear that there are no honest atheists and that unbelievers will be without excuse at the time of judgement.

The only question is, which sins are atheists guilty of? Here are some possibilities (some overlap):

-Pride
-Dishonesty
-Anger

Feel free to chime in.

God Owned #fundie christianforums.com

I agree with Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland that man's blood is congealed light. I further agree that Jesus now has the Glory of God flowing through His veins. Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland apparently agree on this point.

What I'm looking for is two things.

1. More scriptural support that man's blood is congealed light and that Jesus has the Glory of God flowing through his veins.

2. Any scientific studies, setatements by doctors, etc, that ther is scientific eviden that man's blood is congealed light.

[...quotes...]

My doctor's wife told me she had read in one of he husbands medical journals that there has been scientific research which supports the proposition that human blood was one real light which had for some reason been congealed. I can't find the article and my I my family doctor's wife is deceased. Gwen Shaw is the only person who I can find who makes reference to a scientific study. I have heard Copeland talk about this and I almost certain that he also used the term congealed light. I believe that the light of God's glory would be superior to light as we know it because the ability light in our Universe is by physical laws whereas the Glory of God would have no limitations.

Anyway, somewhere out there, there is some scientific research on the subject and I want to have a look at it if that is possible.

Full_Moon #fundie #pratt #homophobia christianforums.com

How do we know true from false and right from wrong?
Some maintain that such things are a matter of opinion and, apart from human opinion, have no existence at all. This is obviously false to Christians.

There does exist true and false, right and wrong.
Yet how do we know which is which?
Humans disagree, societies disagree, even religions disagree. Is there any solid way of knowing true from false or right from wrong?

God and God alone determines true from false and right from wrong.
As He loves us, so He reveals true from false and right from wrong to us.
Yet many maintain that there is no such revelation, and so they argue over true and false, right and wrong, based on their thoughts, beliefs, opinions, feelings and those of other humans. In essence, many will maintain that the basis of and or only way of knowing true from false and right from wrong is the 'self'

As Christians we do not abide in our 'selves', nor follow our 'selves', nor determine true from false or right from wrong by our 'selves'.

Jesus Christ is the One in whom we abide and not another, even our 'selves'. He is the revelation of truth and righteousness.
So why do some Christians say "God has revealed homosexual acts are immoral", while others say "We, our 'selves', believe it is not immoral"? Which 'side' has its moral basis in God's revelation and which 'side' has its moral basis in the 'self'?

I tell you no church has ever blessed homosexual relationships through God's word but only by following popular opinion based on majority vote.

allhart #fundie christianforums.com

start by teaching the kids abstinence in school and the world is tearing family values up. Start by bringing GODS standards back up and holding them high. Make them feel it.My great gram pa was treated horribly for he was born out of wed lock they called him a bastard and the parents well they were run out of town. Family's were together back in those days no single moms ECT. What do you think we should do?

Markec #fundie christianforums.com

Masturbating is not dishonoring God. Nothing is dishonoring God. Masturbation is dishonoring YOU. You defile temple of your body. You enjoy in lust and fleshy pleasure. It's humiliating yourself. Too bad rare are those who see this.

If it's nothing wrong, why don't you do it in the public? What are you ashamed of then?

Your Neighbor #fundie christianforums.com

Darwin’s Confusion - song lyrics

Darwin’s Confusion

There’s a theory going ‘round how everything began
I appeal to the mind of every thinking man
If you stop to listen as I sing these words
I think that most of you will see it’s most absurd.

They say that many eons of time have past
And everything we know today comes from a big blast
From the minutest molecule of every kind
It just so happens that they all combined.
And some said, “Hey, I’m gonna be a star”
Others decided they would become Mars
Some when they combined became the planet Earth
I am in such awe that they were so alert

Here on Earth as the molecules continue to combine
There was such division ‘cause each had their own mind
From the one-celled ameba came a crocodile
As he sprang from the water he was tempted to smile
‘Cause he knew he adapted to his environment
So he jumped out of a tree – down he went
Wasn’t very long till he sprouted wings
His scales turned into feathers, he began to sing

In the meantime as they were growing on
An ameba decided he had swum too long
He thought to himself, “I’ve got to be free”
So he crawled upon the land with his newly formed knees
He crawled so long till his knees got sore
Then he decided that he needed more
From this very thought he developed feet
As his toes began sprouting he said, “Man, this is neat”

Now this walking ameba is a burly monkey
They say he swings around in our family tree
From a hairy ape he began to shed
Over the whole Earth he began to spread
So now you can see as this story goes
Confusion is mounting as this lie is told
Darwin’s confusion makes no common sense
Think of a moment of its consequence

No, don’t buy this lie, don’t you be deceived
Our ancestry is more than just a tall monkey
There’s a God in heaven who created you
If you just let Him, He will show this to you

KarrieTex #fundie christianforums.com

<<In response to the question: "If you could have one prayer/wish granted from God, what would it be?">> (World peace, or no more children dying of preventable disease maybe?)

I would ask for a hug and to look upon His face so I can see Him smile.

Of course, I will be able to do this one day but I would like to have a hug today from Him.

PeaceLover02 #fundie christianforums.com

The Bible is perfect. If the Bible were not perfect then people could pick and choose what to believe. I have seen those who believe the Bible is fallible do this. I will not name any names or anything but I have seen it done by some people.

J3sus Is My L0rd #fundie christianforums.com

[It would probably blow your mind to know that I haven't had sex with anyone since 1992. Yet, I'm still homosexual. So apparently, your assessment of it as a "CHOICE to indulge in wickedness, sin, carnal desires, sexual immorality, and impurity" is flawed.]

It's not my "assessment" thats flawed, tell God that along with His word being wrong.

Lev. 18:22
Lev. 20:13
1 Cor. 6:9-10
Rom. 1:26-28
Psalm 100:3
Psalm 139:15-16
1 Corinthians 6:19

[Text from verses removed to cut down on length.]

irenemcg #fundie christianforums.com

My leg grew that extra inch as others watched

I am overwhelmed by God's grace and mercy last night I had prayer for my back, I had back pain,my left leg was about an inch shorter than my right , I watched not only my own leg but those of others line up as equal. My leg grew that extra inch- Woohooh- He is Jehovah Rapha.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

[Make sure that miracles are faith claims and not natural claims, that way you can defend it as faith and nobody can bust you with evidence.]

AV1611VET responds:
There isn't a "scientist" alive that can bust ME with "evidence".

Like I say, they can post all their graphs, charts, websites, and experiments all they want, and it's water off a duck's back to me.

J3sus Is My L0rd #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

Well besides the FLAMING comments, i'll cut down to the point - homosexuality is not an inherited trait. That is a lie that the devil made up and has put into this world system that is controlled by him and his kingdom. They lie to everyone and tell them that homosexuality is an inherited genetic thing, or whatever, but in truth its not. Being a homosexual is a CHOICE to indulge in wickedness, sin, carnal desires, sexual immorality, and impurity. Raise your children by Godly standards and by the Bible and not by the lies of this world, and he/she will not stray far from what you teach them

texastig #fundie christianforums.com

My wifes tooth was hurting real bad and I put my hands on her last night and asked God to heal her and now her tooth is doing fine.
God took the pain away and saved our pocketbook from a expensive trip to the dentist.
God is good, all the time.

Marie D #fundie christianforums.com

Unfortunately circumcision can't prevent boys from M[asturbating]. My husband is circumcised, as tightly as it can be done, and he abused himself three times before we married. It probably reduces the chances of it happening or makes it less rewarding for them but I don't think it stops it.

Piedpiper123 #fundie christianforums.com

Either the Bible can be trusted or it can't. I don't think it has anything to do with Jesus' toes. Jesus being human and subject to pain is not a sign of imperfection but an untrustworthy Bible is!

There is no middle path as far as I can see it. Either the Bible is perfectly trustworthy or it isn't!

friikii #fundie christianforums.com

Me and my husband is thinking about having a baby, but hestitate, because his brother (which we have no contact with whatsoever) is presumably gay. Might this affect the baby? Is there some precautions I can take, or some medicaments I can eat to make sure my child is pure? Thank you for your help, don't know what i'll do without you

Merciel #fundie christianforums.com

Biblical Errancy = License to Do Whatever?
I admit it. I'm a biblical inerrantist. If the Bible says something, I believe it is something we simply can't disregard in favor of our opinion.

That said, I could accept that the Bible is not inerrant. However, even if I did that, I would still have no problem following the Bible in its entirety, which brings me to my question...

Is it just me or do people who claim the Bible contains flaws always find such flaws in the words that conflict with their own ideas? For example, if somebody condones [insert controversy here], then all the verses against that controversy are flawed and should not be taken seriously. Am I the only one who finds this to be self-serving and dishonest?

Or if it's right, then does that mean that all those verses about loving your enemy can be disregarded, since I love to wish death upon people who slight me, and therefore, that means the Bible is wrong in such a case?

Marie D #fundie christianforums.com

I guess you're right that M is a way to get rid of sexual tension, but that doesn't stop it from being a sin. Theft is a way to get rid of envy - if you want something, why deny yourself it? - but nobody's suggesting that's not sinful. If a person's spirit is at one with God they have no need for such sins because they feel only love, not selfish emotions like lust or greed.

And yes, I agree with you that sexual tension is painful if you hold it in. Due to bad problems with our parents my husband and I had to share a home together before we married (we didn't do anything sinful) and there were times I wanted to touch myself where I shouldn't or harm myself because the frustration was so bad, but I thought of how once we could marry we would be able to do certain things with each other as often as we wanted and how God willing we could be with each other for many decades and how nice it would be to come to our marriage pure, and that stopped me.

TwinCrier #fundie christianforums.com

[I am not defending any particular version. I am asking a general question. So if we don't have a perfect Bible. (which you have already admitted) then any particular part is fallible. How do you chose what to believe and what not to?]

The answer is obvious, which ever part makes you feel uncomfortable or exposes a sin you don't wish to repent of, THAT part was mistranslated. If you want to find the infallible word of God, you have be willing to believe God can provide it to you first. However, if you set your mind to to not believing such a thing as a perfect word from God is possible, the search is over. Some people grow in the grace of the Lord, some are living in their parents' basement playing video games

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

["the stones of fire" (i.e., brilliant and precious mineral stones of God) when he was put on probation before God in the domain of the pre-Adamic heaven and the earth, as a prototype of Adam who was put on probation on a renovated earth with dominion over the plant and animal life of God. (Ezek. 28. 12-13).]

I respectfully disagree with this interpretation. I believe 'stones of fire' is alluding to Earth, Mars, and Rahab, and possibly Venus. These were the planets within Lucifer's dominion. Rahab was the 5th planet from the Sun. (According to my research in the Bible codes, it was sixth; apparently this includes the Sun, which is first). 'Stones' is translated from the Hebrew eh-ben, which is literally translated as "built stones (or rocks)." No translation, to my knowledge, acknowledges these stones as precious minerals. Furthermore, the phrase "of fire" seems to be referring to the light of the Sun reflected by these planets.

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

[That's fine, B®ent -- but it might be more effective (and save a few animals, as well) to organize a group of people to write letters to sympathetic U.S. Senators and House members, as well as our ambassador and the Chinese ambassador -- and letting them know exactly how we feel about the skinning of live animals and what we intend to do if it doesn't stop.]

Talk accomplishes nothing. The Chinese government condones genocide, abortion, and other social evils. Do you think they care about animal cruelty? Nonsense. If these individuals are to be brought to justice, they must be put to death. This, however, is unlikely to happen. But I trust God will take care of them on judgment day.

[Now, that means suspending your own political and religious beliefs to work towards a common goal.]

I reject ecumenism. I trust in God -- I won't yoke with unbelievers and heretics.

[I get just as angry about people who are apprehended, imprisoned and tortured for no real good reason -- and especially when governments realize they've made a mistake and offer absolutely nothing in the way of reparations to innocent people who have been tortured. That's why I work with Amnesty International and spend a couple evenings a week writing letters -- I want this to stop and I'm willing to put my pen where my mouth is (and a lot more can be done by a group of people than by one person).]

Amnesty International is a dangerous organization working on behalf of terrorists and traitors. I want nothing to do with that fifth column.

We agree on this issue, but my primary intent here is to reveal the depravity of mankind, not to form a solution to the problem. I don't believe there is a solution except to kill the individuals responsible, and that isn't going to happen.

BelindaP #fundie christianforums.com

[How to keep those pesky devils away at night]

My pastor suggested that I ask for an angel to be sent to guard me while I slept. It really helped tremendously. My roommate could tell me where the angel was standing by the way the cats behaved every night. [They're terrified of angels and demons.] Just to prove to ourselves that we weren't both crazy, I would ask for the angel to stand in a different spot every night. In the morning, she could tell me exactly where it was.

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