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various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Will Jon Stewart’s critique help peak people?

( hypatia )
He's still in a bubble on the trans issue, or at least I'll assume that til I hear him say otherwise.

I agree that his critique last week was a much-needed breath of sanity. I'm so sick of Dems acting like everything they do is the best and anyone who disagrees is a racist Nazi.

( hypatia )
I will say, though, his willingness to ignore dogma and even mock it makes me hopeful he won't be afraid to point out absurdities.

Trans rights got as far as it did, because male sex criminals use very sympathetic young kids and gay people as a mask. Once it slips it's over.

( Pickles )
He recently did a show all about how safe and effective childhood transition is and even accused the congresswoman he had on his show of lying when she said most kids grow out of gender dysphoria. I don't really have any faith that he does any research or has any common sense anymore.

Unfortunate, because i used to really like him and his show.

( Chronicity )
Well, he’s just made himself vulnerable to GC arguments by pulling back the ideological curtain a bit. So there’s that.

JS: Trans people are only a fraction of the population and aren’t a threat to anyone!!! Stop erasing their existence!! TWAW!

GC ppl: Jon, remember when pointing out the obvious fact that Biden is old got you in trouble with people who don’t want to acknowledge the cognitive effects of advanced aging?

JS:

GC: You are engaging in the same type of gaslighting when we point out the truth about sex differences. It’s the same shit, you know. Stop embarrassing yourself.

My dream is that Bill Maher invites JS to his show and they talk about trans stuff.

( gcfemale )
He's still a die-hard TPA and he himself can't see that logical fallacy, so no?

( Chronicity )
Well, these things can change, right? He is friends with Dave Chappelle and I could see his position softening after watching him be tarred and feathered by the same crowd attacking Jon now.

Many of us peaked after watching the TRAs go into attack mode. Even TRAs can lose their faith when it cuts too close to them personally.

I’m not holding my breath but I haven’t ruled out him peaking soon if he hasn’t already.

(I suspect Trevor Noah’s shelf broke after sharing oxygen with Vic Ivy.)

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Help responding to TRA's saying separate is unequal

( Persimmon64 )
Segregation of race and sex are not comparable.

If white people committed 90% of all violent crime and 99% of all sexual crimes, if the majority of those sexual crimes were committed against black people, if only black people were able to be impregnated and only by white people, if white people had a different anatomy that allowed them to rape black people, if white people were on average bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than black people, and if white people used that strength and sexual aggression to dominate black people and dictate their lives for most of human history...I'd say black people would absolutely be justified in wanting their own spaces away from white people, even white people who claim to be black, or want to be black, or who act black like Robert Downey Junior in Tropic Thunder, especially when they were at their most vulnerable.

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
I'm for equality. All males should have equal access to the men's bathroom.

( mathlover )
But they do believe that separate but equal is appropriate in some situations. Eg: bathrooms can be binary with separate male and female facilities. Except the larping men want to be in the women's spaces. They don’t actually care about the ethics of "separate but equal". They only use that because everyone knows male and female spaces should be separate for some purposes, and the men want to be able to violate women's boundaries in what are very appropriately women's spaces.

( Exempli_Gratia )
This. TiPs are absolutely entitled to use sex-segregated, binary facilities with every other human on the planet, including bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, shelters and sports. They just have to use the facility which aligns with their binary biological sex, not the one which aligns with the magic voices in their heads telling them they're special.

There's nothing discriminatory about this, either. Everyone uses the facilities according to their biological sex. If TiPs want something else, what they are demanding is not equal rights, but special privileges.

SamanthaK & Uber #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: WE KNOW THE TRANS HOLOCAUST IS NEAR 😱

( SamanthaK )
At this point I am worried about TiMs entering women's lockers rooms, bathrooms, or shelters and just killing women. When one comes in my work I am waiting for them to put a bullet in me for being a middle aged "cis" woman.

( Uber )

When one comes in my work I am waiting for them to put a bullet in me for being a middle aged "cis" woman.

When I see them around I get really nervous, like they'll know right away that I'm not buying what they're selling, and what might happen if they did know? Would I be physically, sexually, or verbally assaulted? Murdered? Will they shout in my face and look at me like they want to kill me?

I'm a small woman, unfortunately it's very easy to overpower me. Easily.

I don't believe in violence. I don't like guns, I never want to own one, I never want to use one.

I don't want anyone "genocided", I don't want ANYONE to get hurt. We are all being harmed. Both children and adults alike are being failed by every medical professional that okays putting them on dangerous drugs that will alter them and break their bodies down, give them life threatening infections, cause no doubt embarrassing incontence at a very young age, never able to enjoy sex because for one reason or another, either because it is too painful, or simply impossible, THEY are being harmed.

People who are being taken advantage of and are married to pharmaceutical companies for the rest of their lives are miserable, they are hurting. It's not just a choice that they have made, but this was done to them by someone who's profession has the oath "but first, do no harm".

Everything about this cult-like movement causes harm and trauma to women and girls, to children in general, and men are not immune to the damage that this way of thinking causes either. Clearly these people are extremely disturbed individuals that need serious help. If anyone is dangerous, if anyone is harmful, it is the men who perpetuate and encourage violence towards anyone and everyone who does not agree with them.

The loved ones of those who are spiralling into a dangerous downfall are being harmed, finding their children dead from having committed suicide...

The pain and suffering that this ideology causes is fucking endless.

I wish this fact wasn't so hard for so many people to grasp. I can't wrap my head around it.

Sorry... end of rant 😕

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Replace the TiMs gender argument with Religion

( DurableBook )
Hope this logic gets through to more people. I've been saying for ages, in response to the "TRANS PEOPLE EXIST" bullcrap: I know Christians exist and I still don't believe in souls. I know trans people exist and I still don't believe in gender identities.

( realityismykink )
I use this, too. I'm Christian, and if someone doesn't believe Jesus is her Savior, she's not denying my existence. Someone who doesn't believe God spoke to Joseph Smith through a rock in a hat isn't denying the existence of Mormons. Someone who doesn't believe Mohammad is the one true prophet isn't denying that Muslims exist.

In fact, TIPs deny their own existence when they insist they aren't their actual sex. A man in a dress insisting he's not a man in a dress is literally denying his own existence. If TIMs truly were no different from women, they wouldn't be trans.

( Clarus )
Transgenderism is basically religion, and unfortunately a lot of atheists didn't really get rid of religion but adopted new ideologies like transgenderism. I think the trans-movement took advantage of the people who are looking for something to follow.

( pennygadget )
If trans is accepted in any capacity, it should be treated like a religion. We can make some accommodations for their costumes; but men don't get to dress like anime prostitutes at work. And males don't get to take over female spaces nor compell others to use their language. They can believe whatever they want in private. But the public shouldn't have to deal with it

( neonbandit )
Don't forget falsifying official documents. They shouldn't be able to claim to be a sex they are not on drivers license, passport or retroactively on their birth certificate. Those documents are not there to validate inner feelings.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Am I going to hell for doing this (info on comment)
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( MaryDyer )
Some ftm decided to make a Google spreadsheet so people could anonymously report transphobic businesses.

I decided to have a bit of fun.

( realityismykink )
That sounds like a handy list of businesses I'd love to support if I have the opportunity.

( BellaBlue )
Step 1. Figure out which brands are most popular among the TIP.

Step 2. Report all their favorite brands of the buzzword offenses.

Step 3. Enjoy show.

( Alalies )
They all love Starbucks for some reason. And IKEA because blahaj.

( pennygadget )
I may get a new Reddit account just to do this! 🤣

( RusticTroglodyte )
LOL someone should report r/actuallylesbian and other subs tims have invaded

( phoenixia )
Omg that's a great idea 🤣

( dragonheart )
If someone has a throwaway account, please report r/actuallesbians for homophobia.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
They sure do love their lists.

Someone else used to love lists. His name rhymes with Mitler. So did this other guy whose name rhymes with Malin.

( VestalVirgin )
Oh yes.

"Don't buy from "TERFs" ... you know, that reminds me of something I learnt in history lessons at school. In Germany.

( neonbandit )

So we wanted to come up with a way for people to report bad establishments if you've been treated badly or received transphobia while there.

So we wanted a way to collectively identify, call-out, and harass businesses that don't tow the line with our ideological beliefs.

Hopefully this will help us all stay safer.

Hopefully we can pressure into silence those with beliefs that conflict with our own.

( MaryDyer )
I think we should all start submitting bogus reports. I’ve done three so far. Latest one is a fictional OBGYN practice run by Dr. JRR Rowling, who refused to examine a penis and then pulled out a lightsaber before transforming into Hitler lol

Tanana , puppy_cat & JACKANDJILL #transphobia ovarit.com

( Tanana )
Gender ideology is turning misogynistic men even more misogynistic
I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I firmly believe that all men know they are men no matter what special identities they might claim. They know they just need to lie and the handmaidens go along, and sadly does the law in some cases. They know they are using a new way to get what they want. The fact so many women accept their lies and just say "yes you are a real woman" is just another reason for those men to see women as weak and stupid and their misogyny grows. [...] And the list goes on. They all know they are lying. And the way they get cheered on by many women just makes things worst. But it's not just about the TiMs, the bigger problem is about all the other misogynistic men witnessing this. They too know men are men. And watching women going out of their way to protect these dudes in dresses surely push them to think that women really are dumb. Sadly we live in a men dominated world where women as a sex class we can't afford to be perceived as a bunch of idiotic beings and the handmaidens just make it so much worse. I am sure most of you already understand that for a while but lately in every TRAs BS I see this and it enrages me. [...]

( puppy_cat )
And some of the most misogynistic men go AGP. A guy that tried to date me in high school and later sexually assaulted me, who was also addicted to porn and a huge misogynist, tried to claim he was trans years later. I knew a misogynistic creep MRA who was also a pedophile (wrote a post about him some months back on here, too) claimed he is trans and changed his name. I know so many stories like this. Horrible, despicable men completely want to take over our spaces and trample our rights because it's enjoyable to them and they're porn-addicted freaks.

( JACKANDJILL )
I assume most TIMs are just porn obsessed perverts.

I do think some TIMs have dysphoria stemming from growing up around rampant homophobia.

I think the porn obsessed pervert TIMs are the ones that tend to be most narcissistic and seek the most attention and drama, while the TIMs with dysphoria from childhood homophobia tend to try to blend in and not draw attention.

Regardless of what kind of TIM someone is, nobody should be playing along with this nonsense and TIMs should never be allowed in single sex female spaces.

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

Biden Admin Pours $1 Million Into Studies Aimed At Denying There Are Only Two Genders

( pennygadget )
There are only two genders/sexes. Intersex is a medical condition and trans is bullshit

There. I will take my $1 million dollar check now

( wildclovr )
I don't care. The house always wins. No matter how much money they want to pour into it, there will still only be two genders.

( Researcher1536 )
Mother Nature, that ol' TERF.

( Women1st )
It’s amazing how anti-science all the trans BS is. They literally have to pump money into colleges to promote propaganda and lies. It wasn’t enough to pump this garbage into elementary, middle, and high schools tying it to federal funds.

Then, WPATH says systematic review of studies isn’t possible. The WPATH, HRC, American Academy of Pediatrics, etc ALL stifle dissenting opinions. This is anti-science as science requires an inquisitive nature and repetition to show effect.

They’re pumping money into absolute lies. They want our kids to think the prescribe groupthink.

We literally have a UN trying eroding laws about statutory rape and child consent.

How did so many trans, pedophiles, and sexual deviants get into positions of power? I think the answer is they’ve always been there, but now they are encouraged to “be themselves” and publicly profess their sexual proclivities.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Transgender ideology drives away longtime Democrats Disenchanted liberals are changing sides or refusing to vote

( hard_headed_woman )
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire

This is what I worry about. Are we going to have to say that "2 + 2 = 5" someday? Just how far can these people push absurdities on us?

People in swing states need to vote for Harris.

( samsdat )
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire

Exactly. Gender ideology isn’t a “single issue” because it is actually about whether or not we recognize reality and truth. I will probably vote for Harris, because the Republicans also refuse to recognize reality on certain issues (particularly the environment), but I am tired of gender ideology being treated in such a dismissive reductive way on this site, of all places, and being shamed, as a woman, by other women, for thinking it is much bigger than that.

( thesnorkmaiden )
Seriously. The few people who know my entire terfy stance still don't understand my political dilemma (I'm in Canada, but will be facing a similar choice soonish). If I mention something about how it's going to be impossible to know what to do, they look at me like I'm completely crazy, like trans-ideology is a super niche and somewhat silly thing to factor in. Then I say something emotional about the rights of an entire half of the population, or compelled speech, or acknowledging the simple truth... then I tear up and my lack of sanity is confirmed for the other person. It's enough to actually drive me crazy!

( notsofreshfeeling )
A vote for Harris is a vote for 2 + 2 = 5 though.

( syntaxerror )
Yep. At least I can still tell the anti abortion republicans that they’re fucked. The Democratic Party is pushing for things like thoughtcrimes. Pass!

( Lilith-Fair )
I don't think this is really happening. I'll believe it when I see it.

( twinklebarbie )
Me! I’m not voting for Harris due to gender ideology. My whole family as well.

( AlwaysOrddu )
Yeah, same. I'd rather refight the abortion issue than have to, you know, fight to have reality acknowledged by the federal government.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

If Trump wins the election, he could launch a ‘catastrophic’ rollback of LGBTQ+ rights | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian

( Lipsy )
Free advertising for the Trump campaign right here

( PeregrineWitch )
Seriously, if there was ever an article to tempt me into voting for him, it's this one. Especially after reading Exulansic's substack about the mother of two dead at 35 of kidney disease, 15 years after 'transitioning.' And yet saving teenage girls from these atrocities is the 'catastrophe.'

( sylviasmushrooms )
If Kamala was going to roll back TQ+ privileges in favor of women’s rights, she would have my vote 100% instead of letting my eyes wander to 3rd party kooks who at least know how to use all the parts of the buffalo. 🤷‍♀️

( Lilith-Fair )
Even if we're talking about Trump, if I'm being rational here, what exactly is he planning to do that will be catastrophic to LGB rights? Reverse gay marriage? He has no authority to do that. Adopt regulations to discriminate against LGBs or even the TQs against employment or housing? That's unconstitutional. So how exactly is he a threat to the LGB in terms of law and policies?

( PeregrineWitch )
He's not a threat to the LGB. The article makes it clear it's (as ever) all about the T now.

( Arenlaef )
I love that women are facing the government monitoring their pregnancies in some states and inquires if they miscarry, but a 40-year-old dude not being allowed to use the heccin' validating girls changing room at a teen clothing store when he's trying on his mini-skirt is the real problem. Also, this is not rollbacks for "LGBTQRDCDRD12erfh&" people here. It's literally just rollbacks on trans bullshit.

Again, Donald Trump bragged in 2015 that gay people loved him. In 2024 when we're facing pushback from the GOP it's 100% because of the TQ. The Republicans were ready to move on and then they were given the golden ticket to target us again. LGB and TQ have nothing in common. Get the hell away from us and stop ruining our progress.

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

( Torreflor )
Before this madness, didn’t women used to talk to each other about health and safety?
How much of this gender madness is just a plot to prevent women from talking to each other about birth control, dating men, safety, while dating men, herbal ways of dealing with periods and pregnancy and childbirth. I’ve heard of folk magic and folk healing from my Appalachian ancestors and my African ancestors.women would give each other tips like drinking okra water before childbirth so that you don’t have tearing or straining. How much of that knowledge and wisdom will be lost if we literally cannot speak to each other privately?

( pennygadget )
I honestly think this is part of the reason men are spreading this trans dogma. If we cannot gather without male supervision, we cannot compare notes. We cannot have "whisper networks". We cannot share information and organize politically. We cannot share tips for protecting ourselves. And we cannot speak out against false information like "anyone can get pregnant"

This is being done on purpose

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Men have got nothing to lose from Trans ideology. They all know who the women are, and who are just cosplaying.

( samsdat )
I agree that there is an element of purpose in all of this. The whole thing might have started as a fetish in a few people’s perverted brains, but someone is taking advantage of it.

( freeradicalwoman )
Women have always had their women only gatherings disrupted my men's agendas. There are some oasis of female community but should women start "getting ideas" men would put a stop to it. The trans madness is just the latest version of disrupt and disorient all female communities and keep us isolated and not talking to each other.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Real lesbians love TIMs

( pennygadget )
No real lesbian wants cock. Nor does she want to go down on a rotting surgical wound. It doesn't matter how much these dudes try to colonize lesbian spaces and discourse. Real lesbians still don't want them

Also, if trans-women are women, than why can't this little turd just shut up and date other TIMs?. It's because he KNOWS they're not women and that they make terrible partners

( NikkiStyx )
I sometimes wonder if this dogged belief that genitals don't matter (beyond just functioning to "affirm") stems from some men's (mainly TIM's) sexuality in which the artificial presentation of gender is what is attractive, not necessarily the sex of the person. This isn't to say that heterosexual TIMs aren't attracted to women, but I'm more so considering the bisexual (or pseudo-bisexual, depending on who you ask) TIMs. This may not make any sense, but I'm curious if anyone's got any thoughts on this, even if it's to say I'm full of shit.

( delicate_silicate )
I believe you're describing performative femininity. It's why some hetero males are okay with sexual relationships with TIMs because "it looks like a woman". They aren't exclusively attracted to the female body, they're attracted to the patriarchal idea of what a woman should look like. I imagine they also have no issues wearing knock off designer clothes and fake jewelry. If it looks real enough, then it's good enough.

( NikkiStyx )
I don't know if you can even really consider those men heterosexual if they're with a TIM (given that the vast majority of TIMs retain their male genitalia/don't mutilate themselves... and also because they are men immutably due to their chromosomal makeup). I feel like this is almost it's own separate fetish category. And also suspect these men are bisexual or gay but in denial.

( VestalVirgin )
That does make sense. We know that men fuck literal objects, and male insects fuck flowers (no, that's not a birds and bees analogy, there literally is an orchid whose flowers resemble the female of a certain species of insect, and that's it's reproduction strategy)

I mean, most of it is probably just wanting to rape lesbians, but there could be a few confused individual men who just don't understand that women in general (and many men) are not attracted to the trappings of femininity, but to actual women.

BlackCirce #transphobia ovarit.com

The Denton document shows that trans was pushed surreptitiously on the population without debate by attaching it to popular causes like marriage equality and anti-bullying. As it becomes more and more open what trans rights really means (it’s not just “being kind” to people who are different), people are becoming more dismayed with it.

Trans rights means your daughter will be playing against boys in sports and have boys in the locker room with her. Trans rights means your son will be taught that he might be a girl in boy’s body at school and be provided means to “transition” without your knowledge and consent. Trans rights means your daughter or son may be punished if they refer to another student with correct pronouns. Trans rights means your right to use correct sex based pronouns at work or school may be challenged leading to loss of work and other opportunities. Trans rights means CPS can take your child if you refuse or even show signs of refusing to accept your child’s cross sex identity. Trans rights means social and familial ostracization. Trans rights means your husband may change your marriage contract by making himself your wife, retroactively making you a “lesbian” against all common sense and your lived experience. Trans rights means your mom might legally become your dad. Trans rights means if you see a man go into a women’s restroom and you object by calling police or security YOU might be arrested or kicked out. Trans rights means a rape victim may be compelled to refer to the male perpetrator as “she” in court. Trans rights means female inmates needing birth control and abortion because male rapists are lined up to transfer into the female prisons, with the explicit intention of continuing their careers as rapists. Trans rights means seeing nonsense phrases like “her penis” in the newspaper on a daily basis. Trans rights means female soldiers who are already at high risk of sexual violence from male soldiers now have to endure showering and sleeping in the same facilities. Trans rights means no facility or service no matter how vulnerable or sensitive can be sex segregated. [...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Younger trans people are mostly TIFs and older ones are mostly TIMs

( FutureBreedMachine )
Why

( Jellyfishes )
For TIFs: social contagion, the horrors of female puberty and body image issues (like how eating disorders are more common in young women and girls). ETA: I'd also guess it's harder for older women to trans out since they usually have children to take care of or are too busy with their lives and careers to spend time navel-gazing.

For TIMs: fetishes and mid-life crisis. Like a person from twitter said: older men are even less attractive to women, so one of the only ways for them to be able to get close to us is by pretending to be female.

( Archie )
I think it's a natural consequence of gender ideology being massively spread to teenagers.

Gender ideology is equivalent to how conservatives told women that they should stick to gender roles. A woman is dumb, submissive, with few hobbies. If you like maths, climbing to trees or prefer legos to dolls, then you're a man. In comparison, being a man looks like much more fun.

Being a woman sucks so much in this ideology. Of course young women who believe in it will start identifying as anything else.

A few years ago they would have been called tomboys and could live their life, today they risk being pushed down a lifelong medical pipeline including a double mastectomy before their majority.

Non binary people are those who realize that they don't fit the stereotypes, but who did not reject gender ideology and try to adapt it to their personality somehow by creating additional genders (instead of recognizing that almost no one fits stereotypes and gender doesn't exist).

( MaryDyer )
It largely comes down to male sexuality.

Males transition largely due to sexuality (fetish).

Females transition largely to escape male sexuality (sexual abuse, exploitation, the male gaze at a young age, etc).

( lucky )
I completely get this. You see TIMs masquerading as women according to their idea of what a woman is. You tell young women that this is, in fact, what it means to be a woman. And to many of them the response is naturally "well, I guess I'm not a woman then."

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( jvsmine )
let me explain this.

trans people read Harry Potter and feel that they are special, like Tom Riddle.

NORMAL people read it and feel like Harry, like they found their community, like they're not special or a freak at all, in fact they're painfully average.

trans people think they are Harry. they think they are special because marked as the Chosen One etc etc but this is not how Harry felt about that. TOM RIDDLE felt special, singled out. trans people are either just so fucking stupid, or so fucking deep into playing pretend that they don't realize this. the trans are Voldemort. always have been.

( Spencer_Shayy )
😂 especially because I've seen them complain about Voldemort being "deadnamed" when Dumbledore called him Tom.

( RusticTroglodyte )
The Deatheaters are the perfect parallel to trans ideology. It's RIGHT THERE and they really don't get it. They don't see it and it's baffling to me

( BeachBleach )
Sometimes I see TiMs posting with some actual self-awareness of how ridiculous the whole attempt to trans is, and they give up because they realize they will never look like a tiny feminine girl. If they are lucky they will stop the hormones and stop the pretending and realize they are men. Of course they hate their bodies and are pursuing an impossible dream, which will probably eventually kill them through drugs and surgery.

The whole concept of "going through the wrong puberty" is horrific to me.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Why do older women fall for gender woo?

( labelle )
Dare I say, race also plays a factor. A lot of the older women falling for this nonesense are white women, and I think it has a lot to do with not wanting to offend.

( shewolfoffrance )
Totally agree. Gender woo, in general, seems to be predominantly white. I think for some it's a shortcut out of the "privileged oppressor" class.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Yup. It's also the result of white guilt. The ones who want to get out of being the "privileged oppressor" will adopt a "gender identity" or pretend they're some flavor of "LGBTQ". The ones who don't do that will spend the rest of their life self-flagellating and atoning for the "sin" of being white and/or "cis".

I used to be way more of a "libfem" riddled with white guilt. I know how they think.

( brusquette )
I think a part of it is also not being as online.

Truthfully, I did not find the idea of existing socially as a woman so ridiculous. At one point I probably would have been a trans med. The reality is the goalposts moved to insist that sex is just not real, and to deny us any terms to differentiate our sex based oppression, or to call out when TIMs are being misogynistic.

If they had stayed in their own lane, I could understand that some people really do feel a discordance with their appearance and that societies conflation of gender conformity with sexuality makes that difficult. "Transbians" can't really live as effeminate gay men, because they are actually straight men. Yet being effeminate will still always make others homophobic towards a straight man, and even doubtful of his sexuality.

The reality is for many older women, they're not online enough to see all of the details of this. I probably wouldn't be near as peaked if I weren't as online, and if I didn't know as many TIPs IRL.

Of course, an aspect of this is that I can openly say that here and gender critical feminists will have polite disagreement with me about it, without any of them screeching that I'm literally genociding them or trying to convince me I have to fuck them.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Riothamus )
They've been transing kids for a decade. Where are the success stories?

This "childhood transition" business took off in the mid-2010s. The first cohort of children who were exposed to Lupron for gender issues has reached adulthood. Yet we never hear Munchie parents bragging about how well their super special "sons" and "daughters" are doing in academic and professional life.

One would think that if any of them were thriving the trans lobby would praise them to the high heavens and make celebrities of them.

( shewolfoffrance )
I think there are a lot of superficial "success stories", but if you dig a little deeper, it doesn't look so good, or it won't in the future. With people like Jazz Jennings and Kim Petras, their career prospects seem to be pretty much being Professionally Trans (that's also true for a lot of TiPs who trans as adults and end up become permanent e-beggars, content creators, or activists). Furthermore, many of them will suffer from health problems as they grow older, but we really don't know what that will fully entail for decades.

( DietCokeAddict )
Good point, but the TRAs will just claim that “successful” transitioners are now living in stealth and nobody can tell they’re trans. “You’ve probably walked past thousands of trans people today and not noticed!”

You’d think some of the successful ones would be involved in the cause, though - every trans activist or famous trans person I’ve ever seen is instantly clockable. So if there are successful ones, they clearly want nothing to do with the moment today.

( Architectura )
I mean... Nicole Maines and Clara Sorrenti are two, but you're right: they're not used as poster children, likely because if they're the standard of what trans males should look like, the AGPs will riot because they actually both pass pretty darn well.

And now that I think about it... The movement kind of relies on people not passing, because that's what allows the AGPs in bathrooms. No one is going to blink if Nicole or Clara goes in a women's restroom, and so the bathroom laws are moot. The AGPs need it to be acceptable/law for visible males to go in women's restrooms.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

There will never be a trans-inclusive "All-Girl" space
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( Calidris )
Is this a response to "actual lesbians": whoops all penis!

I mean he's not wrong. Choose, young TIM, trans inclusive means you're just in a gigantic sausage party with your TIM friends because all the lesbians either get banned or leave. Or you get the TERF space where the lesbians you so direly want to coercively rape will not let you in because THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

But there's a secret third option: you could take off the cheap party city wig, wipe off the unskilled makeup, throw away the hooker boots and stripper heels and just be who you are, maybe that's a feminine straight man or even an autistic man. And then you can find a straight woman (or bi), you know the wimminz who genuinely do appreciate dick. And you could have a normal life and maybe find some happiness instead of horrifying, disgusting and scaring the ONE kind of woman who does not do penis and keep being alone, as a medical patient for life and generally looked upon with distrust because you're living a lie.

( Women1st )
TIMs will never understand why women require sex-based protections. This is bc they are not women and will never be women, this will never understand womanhood.

We can talk about why people think this way at another time.

( VestalVirgin )
TIMs understand very well that we require male-free spaces so that they cannot rape us. TIMs are more likely to be sex offenders than the average male (who is already very likely to be a rapist in his heart).

They just don't want us to be able to get away from them.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Weird how the terms "female" and "woman" are suddenly vague, undefined terms because men have decided they can become women. Y'all certainly didn't have trouble defining "woman" when you were telling us we can't vote or open our own bank accounts or get a job outside "caring" roles.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Transgender activists stage die-in at Florida DMVs

( tuff_terfies )
Can we talk about the callousness of a die-in here? ACT-UP did them bc people--granted, mostly men, but not all--were ACTUALLY dying in droves. To steal this concept for a fucking box on a DL? horrifying.

( Spencer_Shayy )
I was thinking that too. It's so fucking offensive to those out there who were or are actually dying. Nobody has ever died because they couldn't be "trans". They're so goddamn ignorant and entitled.

( tuff_terfies )
I want to start going to these things and counting the number of white men (assumedly straight) there are at these things. I have a theory that this is on the spectrum of white men feeling victimized that got Trump (and will likely again) elected to office. Any chance a privileged white dude can cry victim, they'll take.

( Women1st )
In another case of literal genocide. TRAs protest at Florida DMVs because they can’t commit fraud on their government documents.

I would think this isn’t the best place to lie down and protest as their are teens behind the wheel…

( Spencer_Shayy )
LMAO you will not die if you don't get to falsify your drivers license.

This is so funny. What a bunch of losers. Please get some real problems.

( MarthaMMC )
The point is that they want a state id to legally declare them as the sex they want to claim instead of what they are. Drivers licenses are used as legal id for a lot of things. & with real id rules, are required for flying unless you also have the less universal one or state id you have to have a passport as well. Changing sex markers on birth certificates, state id, drivers licenses, passports, etc. creates a legal precedence that enshrines gender ideology into law & declares that sex can be changed. They claim it is for safety so their id matches their presentation so they won't be "outed" & thus in danger of violence from possible transphobes. But realistically, most TIMs do not "pass" & even if they get id changed, ppl will know they are trans. But id changes also will normalize gender ideology claims so that society will get habituated to accepting that sex can change. It will go from being a legal fiction to normalizing the downgrading of the importance of biological sex.

Ellexoh , Hex & samsdat #transphobia ovarit.com

( Ellexoh )
Grandparents. And losing your grandchild to trans-creep
I call it trans-creep because it crept up on me, as the grandmother of a boy who decided he wanted to be a girl. Not as a young child but (the first I knew of it) in his mid-teens. This boy was my world, but after moving to & living in another country, as well as having (it seemed to me) unlimited access to social media, meant he was exposed to an online world he was left to navigate alone. I will admit....this is my view entirely because not once did anybody in either side of the boy's family sit down with me and have an open conversation, or ask me how I felt about what was happening.

Today I have no contact with my grandson, an estranged r'ship with his mother (my daughter), strained r'ships with my other children because of my gender critical stance (all of us live in NZ) and no contact at all with the paternal family because they live overseas. I did contact the other grandmother in the US and she is sympathetic but said that although she "had a very big problem with that at first. (my grandson's father) was the one who helped me through it." So they all appear to be captured by it. And I don't even know how often there is contact with the family overseas because nobody talks to me

I can count the number of grandparents with a trans-grandchild on one hand. And I only know about them in an online capacity.

Breathe....phew! :)

( Hex )
Every time I read similar stories, it reminds me of the people I lost to addiction and (almost) to Qanon. You can love them and try to persuade them with logic and love, but the addiction is often stronger. I would hope that he is not addicted to porn in his young age but if he has unlimited access online then who knows.

Trans is also addictive because of the sense of community, and if he is ostracized or doesn't have strong community in real life, then they will make their own community online. Of course the community is built on empty words, as they find out after they trans and all their old problems remain.

I have no advice, I just click on these topics because I have young nieces and a nephew and I worry about them.

( samsdat )
I am so sorry this ideology is ripping your family apart. I hope your grandson and his parents come to their senses soon.

Pickles #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TRA Arguments/Claims

A few of their arguments that get my goat most:

- when we read about atrocities that happen to women in developing countries because they are women and feel a sadness and outrage that you can only feel as another woman and we say something like "sex is not a choice. Look what is happening to these women because of their sex. Our sex has been used against us for centuries across every society and it is horrible gaslighting to pretend it doesn't exist, it's a choice, or it can be changed." And they pretend their takeaway is that we've said "at least the Taliban knows what a woman is!!" Or "i agree with guys who take child brides! We both know who women are!" It's infuriating. As though pretending we don't know the difference between the sexes will magically make it so women and girls are no longer exploited for being women and girls.

- Riley Gaines said that men shouldn't be in women's chess. She very clearly said something like "there's no point in having a women's category if you're going to let men in." And they were running around saying "Riley thinks every transwoman on earth is better than every cis woman on earth at chess. How sexist!!" My guy, there are reasons for wanting things that are not a dick swinging contest. Do you think we don't want you in our bathrooms because you think we think you're better at peeing? We don't want you in sororities because we think you'll be too good at networking or braiding hair (i wasn't in a sorority, I am not sure what analogy to use here).

I do often try to find points of agreement bc it seems like there has to be something. One thing I find myself disagreeing with GC people about is what someone owes to the creative talent behind their rise to stardom. Don't get me wrong, I love JKR and I think all those actors who turned on her are wrong and stupid, but I don't think that actors should be compelled to agree with someone just because his/her work made the actor famous.

Anyway just random thoughts while my sick baby sleeps on me 😴 💤

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

“They weren't raped by a penis, they were raped by a man” THEY’RE THE SAME PICTURE
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( Women1st )

They weren't raped by a penis, they were raped by a man. And that's exactly what all women, cis and trans, are trying to escape by coming to all women only spaces.

So your faux fear regarding rape is the SAME EXACT thing as a woman’s actual fear based on her living through male physical and sexual violence as well as intimidation? You DO NOT BELONG in women’s spaces. You are a man. A leopard doesn’t change it’s spots.

( Spencer_Shayy )
I bet the first guy feels like a monster because he's raped a woman before. Why else would he feel so personally attacked by that?

"Transwomen" ARE flapping their dicks around for everyone to see, though. You're ALWAYS doing it in private spaces around women and children. Not to mention, you will not SHUT THE FUCK UP about them, hence why lesbians are always complaining about you.

We don't think you're men, sir, we KNOW you are.

No "transwoman" is afraid of being raped. Not a single one of you. If you were, you wouldn't be constantly threatening to rape any woman who disagrees with you. Spare me the fucking lies. I'm so sick of these monsters.

( mathlover )
He wants to stick his penis into, or have other intimate contact with, the one small demographic of women (lesbians) who will never want him. That is rape - he's either already done it, or would do it. So yeah, he should feel like a monster, because he is.

( Women1st )
Why won’t your own spaces, trans only, keep you from faux male violence? Why do you have to dominate women’s spaces? Oh, that’s right, bc you are a male.

( MardyMcMare )
It’s nothing personal, love. Women don’t want 49% of the human population - what, about 4 billion men? - in our single-sex spaces.

Yet here you are, so self-absorbed it’s a wonder you can take yer head out yer arse long enough to scroll through reddit, thinking it’s YOU, personally, we object to.

It’s All of you, every last man, regardless of your womanly feelz.

Men.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Yet he surely doesn’t want to use male restrooms…hmm, wonder why?
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( SpringMaiden )
These people are always comparing women who don’t want to be around men to white racists. They’re constantly trying to act like women are evil for trying to protect themselves against their oppressors.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
They consistently flip the power dynamics of who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor in those analogies.

( SpringMaiden )
Yes, and it’s exhausting and infuriating.

Women are not the white people in these analogies. Women are not privileged, and are not the sex that created entire societies around the abuse and exploitation of the opposite sex. Men did that, and women have every right to reject it and reject men from the few spaces that are given to and reserved for women in this male-built world.

These people refusing to acknowledge women as the true oppressed class here is the ultimate proof that this is nothing but a men’s rights movement.

( Itzpapalotl )
A more apt comparison to draw would be, say, a black person has PTSD from a racial attack committed by a white person, this person does their best to steer clear of whites. Maybe this person joins a club or group specifically for black people.

Then, along comes a white person who “identifies” as black, who demands entry to this group, even if it is a support group. Maybe this white person paints their face, maybe they’re really good at makeup and can appear to be black...why is this person invading a space that specifically excludes them? Why does this person want to inflict themselves on people with trauma pertaining to their race? Why?

Men of all races and nationalities are and always have been a threat to woman of all races and nationalities. Idgaf about male feelings when it comes to female safety. They can fuck all the way off with the false equivalencies - which are usually racist BS.

Sir, you are a straight, white man in a frock. Stop comparing yourself to people who have suffered actual oppression. And men of all races, keep the fuck out of our FEMALE spaces.

BlackCirce #transphobia ovarit.com

The Emperor’s New Golden Mean
Radical trans theorists believe that anyone can be any sex or gender they declare, and that reality is not chained to any objective evidence and that sex and gender can change at any time.

Radical feminists (and others) believe people are conceived as one of two sexes through a genetic process, and that sex cannot change in humans, and that sex is an objectively observable trait of organisms.

Then there are people who have declared themselves a reasonable middle ground between these two extremes. They believe that maybe sex isn’t changeable but if certain individuals meet standards of secondary sex characteristic manipulation (or if they put in significant enough effort in doing so) they should be treated as if they have changed sex, legally and socially.

This is the fallacy of the Golden Mean. No one can change sex, ever, and people who pretend that others have changed sex are lying and being unreasonable. The fact that there is another, even more unreasonable version of trans theory does not make the moderate view more correct. No matter how deeply and sincerely a man believes he is a woman, no matter how well he apes stereotypically feminine behavior or comportment or dress, no matter how much he swears he’s not turned on by what he’s doing… he’s still a man.

In English we have third person pronouns based on sex. It might be awkward to refer to a woman who has done a great job disguising herself as a man with female pronouns, but to do otherwise would be creating a false impression. Some people do it out of social pressure… guess what, that’s what the story The Emperor’s New Clothes is about!

In the story The Emperopr’s New Clothes, the crowd of people who see that the Emperor is stark bollocks naked but pretend they see his robe are not a reasonable position between the lying merchants and the child who shouts out “He’s naked!” The child is correct.

VestalVirgin , shewolfoffrance & cranberrysalad #transphobia ovarit.com

Geelong Grammar: Dad pulls his daughter out of $84,000-a-year private school attended by King Charles after discovering she was boarding with a transgender student

( VestalVirgin )
Well, duh. What did they think would happen?

People who can afford that kind of school can also afford a school that won't strip their daughters of all privacy and dignity and expose them to a high risk of rape and impregnation. If you want your daughter to end up pregnant as teenager, you can get that for free. No need to pay 84,000 for the privilege.

I am more surprised that not more girls were pulled - or do they have only two girls per room?

( shewolfoffrance )
I wonder how much the parents aren't saying. There are vague mentions of "support" for the TiM kid, but also "concerns" that they weren't told. I'm guessing they're terrified of getting the JKR treatment.

( VestalVirgin )
Yeah. They're willing to go along with the TWAW mantra, but they aren't okay with their daughter being the human sacrifice to the pervy male, is what I read out of that.

Perhaps a bit cynical, but I think they would have been okay with the whole thing if they'd been quietly told in advance, and had gotten the opportunity to quietly arrange for their daughter to room with actual girls.

( shewolfoffrance )
I wonder how accommodating the school would have been, and if the TiM kid's parents would have been upset if he were made to room alone.

( cranberrysalad )
They’re also upper class which is rife with trans kids. Most of their social circles probably have they/them kids and other versions of privileged children/adults co-opting oppression and attempting to buy into it (without actually having to endure oppression and certainly without acknowledging their roles in it).

Rich kids are deeply into trans activism.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( ItsCalculated )
Did anyone once/or still enjoy but now feel averse to things TIMs grabbed onto (thigh highs, mini skirts, etc.)
I love my thigh high socks. They keep my legs warm in the winter. I still like how my light, short skirts, keep me cool in the summer. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but. . . I now feel kind of averse to these things because TIMs have assumed use of them. Do any of you feel the same way? Have you actually given up any of these things to them or do you refuse to surrender things you like just because some man has a fetish about it?

( StealthRadfem )
I gave up dying my hair with funny colors. I do not want to be associated with TRAs at all.

( DurableBook )
Me too, I love crazy plumage and used to get a kick out of crazy hair colors, but now I just associate them with the gender equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses..."Hi I'm Mx. Alex, do you have a moment to talk about my pronouns??"

( Ribbon_Rabbit )
I absolutely love pastel colors, but now I can't wear light blue and pink without feeling like I'm wearing a trans flag. They ruined the Pokémon Sylveon too. It's just a cute, colorful creature- not a "trans icon".

( Blais )
I like thigh highs for sure - they're warm and I like how "slouch socks" feel. Flower crowns. Arm-warmers. All those cutesy teenage comforts.

I haven't stopped using any of them, though. And I'm not going to. TIMs will find a way to fetishize anything. I'm pretty sure that if women everywhere stopped wearing short skirts or tight clothing or bright patterns or amything "stereotypically female", and started wearing baggy fits and muted colors, TIMs would find a way to fetishize it. They're the Rule 34 guys; it's what they do. So, I see no point in surrendering what makes me happy.

( Calidris )
Late to the party but feminine men!!!!!

It used to be when I saw a man with long hair, he'd usually be some kind of alternative, goth punk or just a dude who rocks long hair and doesn't give a shit. Now I have to fear it's a TIM light. It has exactly the opposite effect too, a man confidently rocking his long hair is sexy. A TIM trying to desperately copy us to get his rocks off is the least sexy thing I could possibly imagine, just gives me the icks and the creeps.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Grindr is slammed by Stonewall Riots hero for banning searches for biological men because it's 'transphobic' while allowing users to purposefully seek out trans partners | Daily Mail Online

( pennygadget )
You know what? I'm fine with this. This trans bullshit won't die until men are inconvenienced by it. So let the TIFs colonize Grindr. Maybe then gay men will stand up against homophobic trans bullshit. Because they sure as hell didn't speak up when lesbian spaces were being erased and drag queens were being forced onto children who didn't ask for it.

( syntaxerror )
Honestly I saw this headline and it made me excited. I don’t cheer for the destruction of gay spaces as some kind of revenge normally, but if some men start experiencing even a fraction of what women have been taking regarding the TRAs, then maybe they’ll start peaking and we’ll get some real traction regarding the LGBDroptheT movement.

And to be fair, I don’t feel bad for the smug, smarmy little shits that thought it was funny or righteous when lesbians lost their spaces. But I do feel like lesbians and gays and bisexuals are stronger when we stand together, and it’s disappointing to see gay men be so causal about it. But there are exceptions!

( Calidris )
Yeah same, oh no how terrible you guys have to maybe look at some women to find a dick appointment. Lesbians are getting raped, getting death threats for their sexuality by the TIMs that YOU let into the movement. I just dont give a singular shit about gay men, they're just men.

( klytaimestra )
Haha. Good. The more TRAs inconvenience men, the sooner we see an end to this. (Raping and murdering women is no reason to question cults.)

( WatcherattheGates )
Exactly what I was thinking. When they piss off the MEN, then it's gonna go down.

( pennygadget )
Amen!

Let the fujoshis take over Grindr and gay bath houses! Even if it doesn't end the trans cult, at least it'll be funny to watch

( gcfemale )
Congrats, we're back to era of homophobia. This is what TPAs want. They want homosexuals to hide or get conversion therapy to become straight.

Spencer_Shayy #transphobia ovarit.com

Women on reddit bash AGPs for being anti-lesbian. I'm shocked that this subreddit hasn't been banned yet lol.

Spinster core gets it. "Transgender" is the backlash to feminism.

lol guess I'm a "hardcore conservative" because I don't believe you have the "right" to be "trans". If it were up to me, "transgender" wouldn't have ever been invented, and you'd have to accept yourself for who you are.

No girl or woman would become a "transman" because society would accept that women are human beings and not sex objects only interested in high heels and makeup.

No boy or man would become a "transwoman" because homosexuality would be accepted and normalized and men's disgusting sexual fetishes would be demonized as the misogynistic, homophobic, vile bullshit they are.

Neither sex would ever have to conform to rigid gender roles again. That's my ideal society. I don't think that makes me conservative at all.

But yes, whenever "trans" people complain about "erasure", it's pure projection, because they're literally erasing women and homosexuals from language and law.

I despise the dick worshipping from both the Left and the Right so much.

Lmao my coworker said something along the lines about not kinkshaming and I steered that conversation in a whole other direction.

I too, feel so alienated from the "LGBTQ" community. They make me feel nothing but shame, embarrassment, and disgust. Conservatives screaming about the Bible never made me hate my sexuality, it was ALL "liberals" and their "progressive" ideology. "Pride parades" to me are just a show of colonization and dominance - we're misogynistic homophobes and we're happy to destroy what little community and resources you have.

Every "lesbian" space is dick centered. It's so fucking homophobic and disgusting.

How have they not all been banned? Can we invite them to Ovarit?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

NO IS NO!
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( MardyMcMare )
Everything that comes with your “transness” repels us. The narcissism, the neediness, the treading on eggshells for fear of genociding your feelings, the sheer regressive stupidity of the ideology, the terrible dress sense, the male entitlement.

“No trans” just says all of the above but in far fewer characters.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Exactly. "Trans" comes with a whole lot of baggage that most people just don't fucking want to deal with.

( pastmistake )
I have a relative with severe bipolar disorder and delusions of grandeur type narcissism. He believes he is a famous, incredibly wealthy inventor, even though he is completely broke and homeless. He lies constantly about how much money he has, or could get, the famous people he knows (think Elon Musk) and things he’s invented. He truly doesn’t understand WHY people don’t believe him. When people directly contradict his stories and beliefs, he gets angry.

TIMs remind me of him. They believe their own lies. How can this guy seriously say “I don’t know why they have a blanket ban on trans?” He’s lying saying that he would accept a reason. If the lesbians said “It’s because we aren’t attracted to male people, we don’t want to have sex or date anyone male…” he would be furious.

( shewolfoffrance )
I think most TiMs start out knowing they're lying to themselves, and everyone else, on some level.

But, with the help of internet hugboxes, enabling doctors and therapists, and truly misguided legislation, they're able to fully detach from reality.

( Spencer_Shayy )
All I see is rapists whining that they can't rape.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
Bro you know why.

This is just the classic abusive/narcissistic tactic of getting others to offer an unneccesary explanation so they have points to argue and bully you over.

ocelot & NastasyaFillipovna #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Kamala brags about California prison surgeries for tims

( ocelot )
Kamala Harris fought to house male criminals in women's prisons in California. She is a rapist by proxy, and I will not vote for her. If someone is willing to give vulnerable women to predators on a silver platter, what WON'T they do for approval?

( SatanicPanic )
The brutal truth is I'd rather vote for a "rapist by proxy" than a man who has actually raped women and girls with his penis.

( ocelot )
I'm not sure I'll be voting for him either for the same reason, but for the sake of playing devil's advocate... How many women has Trump raped vs how many women in the California penal system have been raped by a TIM in women's prisons? I just tried to answer that with googling and couldn't find exact numbers, would love if someone could help.

There stands to be many more female victims if the policies Harris helped create and advocates for are more widely enacted/expanded.

( SatanicPanic )
What makes you think a rapist in the oval office won't have an interest in making it even easier for men to rape?

( ocelot )
Because he has been very vocally anti-gender identity ideology since the first time he ran for president. Say what you want about the man, but his opinions and platform haven't really changed.

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Her candidacy is like gaslighting to the extreme. First they said Joe is fit enough, so she didn't put her hat in the primaries. Then after the debate showed just how senile he actually is, Kamala is being pushed as the next coming of Obama or something.

On one hand, she would be the first female President, but on other, she would destroy whatever remains the definition of the word itself

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Wait... what?
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( notsofreshfeeling )
Transgenderism is just MRAs trolling SJWs. That's all it's ever been.

( Lipsy )
The erasure of Female spaces and Women's rights, the destruction of safeguarding for Women and children, the capture of formerly respectable institutions, the depredation of scientific integrity, and the metastasis of two-tier policing and jurisprudence are absolutely not "just trolling".

( notsofreshfeeling )
Sorry I was being simplistic/glib. I meant strategic trolling in all forms and on a grand scale, including all of those end goals and consequences you've listed.

( Spencer_Shayy )
The lack of self awareness from this man, who is doing exactly what he's complaining about to women, is painfully cringey.

( shewolfoffrance )
I'm willing to bet he stole the language for this garbage from something an actual woman, perhaps even a TERFy one, wrote.

( sylviasmushrooms )
I’m seriously surprised he didn’t peak himself, there. Seriously.

( Mignonette )
It's almost funny when they end up calling each other out. They can smell everyone's bs, same as us - except their own. That's left steaming in plain view and called perfume.

( RusticTroglodyte )
I love when tims get angry at the amount of other tims in a subreddit, or out at the bar. It gives me life to read those posts

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Fluffy_gender )
Kamala talking about women when it comes to abortion
I don't know if you watched the debate where Kamala basically destroyed the orange liar. One thing I noticed was the absence of TRA nonsense language. She did talk about abortion as a women's rights issue and said the word women many times. I think this is encouraging, especially after the orange idiot went on with his lies about after birth abortions again. I think it's clear that TRA language is not winning anyone over

( Arenlaef )
I can't even pay attention to this election anymore, lol. I hate the Democrats so much, but my state is too purple now to not vote. And for me, it's not even about Kamala. It's the party as a whole and their bullshit lack of values outside of "get elected."

The other day some misogynistic liberal dude was going on an absolute insane diatribe about TERFs and how he feels we shouldn't even exist. How we're just the most evil creatures in the world and jealous because we're ugly, hideous hags who are somehow also obsessed with beauty standards.

Then I saw he had Harris/ Walz 2024 in his bio and it just occurred to me...I will be going into a voting booth and voting the exact way this man wants me to. This man thinks I'm the scum of the Earth for being a lesbian who is not open to having sex with men and in a few months, I will be driving down to my polling center and waiting in an hour-long line to cast a vote for a party that caters to people like him.

I cannot explain how bad this feels.

( notsofreshfeeling )
The Democratic Party platform is chock full of gender ideology and trans nonsense. They are not giving up that agenda but are simply masking it.

I'm not saying Republicans are better for women overall. But it's a shit sandwich.

( pennygadget )
I think its weasel behavior for democrats to pretend to know what a woman is when talking to normies and then go back to "birthing people" and "trans women are women" when actually creating laws

( Women1st )
She doesn’t know what a woman is. This is the party that believes lipstick and a dress make you a woman. Politicians will say anything to win. In the end, she values male feels over women.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Trans TikTok star Rachel Queen Burton pleads guilty to child abuse offences | Daily Mail Online

( LizardQ )
Where they're wrong about is that it's not a mask. This is how trans people are. This is AGP in a nutshell. I guarantee you this person was crossdressing way before they "came out" as a trans woman, and while they were also abusing children. They didn't do it to escape. This is part of their perversion. I don't blame people for not knowing this, but if you look under the rock, well I don't have to tell you guys.

That poor family.

( Autumn-Aprodithe )
The TRA will call this the exception of the rule. Everything is a rare case even though men are predators by nature and delulu land won't oppress those urges.

( songoftheworms )
I can't stop thinking about how his victims must have felt knowing this man was being feted and celebrated by thousands of members of the public at large. So many of them are "transitioning" because so many local governments have made it such a straightforward way to outrun legal troubles and debts.

For those TRAs who would insist transition is so difficult as to naturally dissuade anyone who isn't trutrans, doesn't reinventing yourself as a "female" TikTok star seem a little easier than getting shivved in the ribs for being a child rapist in male prison? Throw him into the fucking sea.

( Mignonette )
Is this transitioning once caught bs connected to the often regurgitated idea that women never get punished? If so, good luck dude, reddit lied to you.

( sdgjhflll1148 )
Funnily enough, this bottom feeder was trans before being caught, long enough to have a transtok following, so TRA's can't even claim that he miiiight be someone taking advantage of ridiculous prison assignments. Ed. Or that he's a human false flag a lá the Toronto teacher

Not that it matters, because by self ID rules anyone who says they are is huns xoxoxox 🦠

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Republicans Are Trying to Erase Trans Identity From The Law | HuffPost Latest News

( TheKnitta )
Not entirely sure why someone’s imaginary identity should be enshrined in law in the first place.

Sex is a fact. Getting off to wearing frilly knickers isn’t something that belongs on your factual ID documents.

( pennygadget )
I can't believe I lived to see the Republicans become the pro-science party while the Democrats tried to enshrine some crazy, misogynistic, homophobic religion into all facets of the law

( RighteousIndignation )
Sorry but theres no place in law for anything thats self defined. and the law proves that all the time with the lack of convictions for rape because of not enough evidence or they don't believe the woman.

why the hell should the law recognize peoples identity on their say so, when they don't believe rape victims are victims.

both are a case of believe what I am saying, not look at me.

a murder suspect identifies as innocent.

( MarthaMMC )

Advocates say the conservative push to define “sex” is not only politically motivated but goes against basic biology.

How has science & medicine been so corrupted as to lie like this? And their claims that this erases tran people- it just sets boundaries. They also lie about kids, saying that they don't get surgery. But the mastectomies of young girls that Drs. ADVERTISE on their social media disproves that. They also claim that there are no incidents or proof that TIPs are a danger to women & girls when they use single sex facilities. When the rapes that occur in prisons in other countries & in the US disprove that. As well as TIMs own social media posts about flashing & leaving semen in women's restrooms. As well as exposing male genitalia to women & girls in changing rooms. The comments are TRA except for a few. There needs to be a list of such incidents to use as factual evidence. It also claims that trans ppl are in danger of being outed if their documents don't match their gender identity. TBH, most are outed by their appearance-esp TIMs.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The peasants are revolting on NYT, and it is glorious!

( Mizuna )
I'm just waiting for the preference cascade. It's coming. The trans cult operates on fear and censorship, and once the general public is able to speak freely, it's over.
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( jelliknight )
We need to be prepared to capitalise on this when the moment comes.

Yes! Trans was bullshit. Yes! Women need their sports, spaces, and prisons back. AND...

We need to talk about where to direct the energy thats coming so it doesnt become"and thats why women need to get back in the kitchen so mids dont get "confused" again."

How about "AND this is why women need equal representation in politics and decision making"

"AND this all ultimately stems from porn addiction and infiltration into our culture, and we need to wind it back to a sensible level like we have done with cigarettes"

"AND the rad fems have been calling this issue out for like 5 decades now so maybe listen to them on other issues before we hit the "mutilated children" levels of that too?"

( syntaxerror )
Thank god. It will be a domino effect, emperor has no clothes type situation I believe. Most people don’t agree with at least the most extreme parts of this movement (some people will probably always believe that there are True and Honest transpeople, but baby steps), but they haven’t been able to speak up because they know it’s not worth their job and their friends.

But if someone lets them know it’s OK to disagree I believe it will all come flooding out, gradually at first but with increasing fervor as all the voices join together.

I believe it is the beginning of the end for this strange time in western social politics. Maybe I’m too optimistic but I hope so

( ApricotThoughts )
I also really REALLY hope someone on Biden's 2024 campaign team are paying attention.

( tuff_terfies )
I've said it before and I will say it again; it is not a question of whether he is a true believer, which I don't think he gives two shits about trans or kids (except the little girls he pedos out on) or anything. It is about who is paying for his campaign and the strings attached to that purse.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TIMs claiming oppression? Is the oppression in the room with us?

( vulvapeople )
The oppression is that someone, somewhere doesn’t buy into their identities. When you look at every individual thing they complain about and call “violence”, that’s it.

Any sexuality group they desire doesn’t want them (lesbians v. AGPs, straight men v. HSTSs, straight women v. lesbian TIFs, gay men v. straight TIFs)? Women don’t want to be TIMs’ besties? A religious institution won’t let them into wrong-sex accommodations? A child expresses fear at seeing them in a wrong-sex space? A woman smirks at a TIM? Oppression, oppression, oppression, oppression, oppression, because, in each instance, the rest of us are saying they aren’t what they’re pretending to be.

The genius in this is that there will never be a time to the heat death of the universe that they won’t be “oppressed”, so they get to milk their victim complexes forever.

I genuinely believe this is one reason Ellen Page transitioned. Pre-transition, she unsuccessfully tried to claim oppression for such things as most media being geared toward straights (gays and lesbians are ultimately a very small minority, they’ll never have the representation that would satisfy her), but it failed to land since most LGs recognize that reality and have moved on. So, she transed.

( emissch )
They genuinely think that others who don't validate their "gender identity" is an act of violence upon them. "Not acknowledging the existence of trans" is in their view a form of oppression. It's essentially saying, if you don't do what I say or believe what I tell you to believe, you're oppressing meeee.

It's not surprising that some of the most privileged people in world history came up with that argument. they have literally nothing else to complain about.

( OwnLyingEyes )
They mistake overblown and ungratified sense of entitlement for oppression. Mostly they act creepy and offputting and then shriek and complain when people are creeped out and put off.

( OverTheWall )
This is the issue with a lot of people part of the “alphabet soup club”, they think dressing and acting like kind of weirdo is a “sexuality” and cry oppression /bigotry when they can’t get hired or when normal people don’t want to be around them.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

we just want to live our lives by controlling yours
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( MaryDyer )
“And smokebomb lesbian conferences, call black women the same as men, punch pensioners in the face, threaten to rape with our girldicks, usurp the word woman and then reduce it to a feeling, an abstract concept, and spinny dresses, then usurp the word female while also making it meaningless, claim that sex is a spectrum, make sexual orientation about gender and not sex…”

( Wokeuplate )
And threaten to beat, maim, or kill you if you disagree with any of this.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Don't forget rape. "Trans" people love to threaten to rape you!

( RighteousIndignation )
and rigidly enforce gender roles and fashions and behavioral expectations, and hobbies and interests.

and mess up medical statistics, crime statistics, population statistics.

and appropriate other peoples rights movements, organizations and flags/symbols.

and rewrite history to centre trans and trans historical events and figures.

and appropriate medical conditions like DSD.

( neonbandit )
I would add: Letting mediocre male athletes cheat in sports. Deny women and girls language and that spaces to describe our unique sex based reality. Chemically castrate children.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Is this evidence the tide is ebbing?

( miss_frankie )
I think that “peaking” is an overwhelmingly one-way process and it would be incredibly rare to have your eyes opened to the inconsistencies of gender ideology and return back to believing in it. The only reason I can think of is someone that started detransitioning and found the reality of the irreversible changes that have occurred to their body too overwhelming to accept.

That means that every single day X number of people “peak”, which means X more people are gender critical compared to the day before. So it’s only a matter of time until the majority of the population see that it’s all a farce.

( viscerally )
The prospect of getting hate might make people pivot too. I know people who’ve been very skeptical towards the ideology to completely fall for it, putting pronouns in their bios and fawning over Dylan Mulvaney. But they are all women who would rather eat pee stained gravel than not be seen as allies in any type of social justice issue.

( overanddone )
I see hopeful signs everywhere. It may just be my fervent wish.

I think continual outrage is hard to sustain.

( Tortoisemouse )
Me too. I keep seeing hopeful signs. I think the trans movement has gained all the traction it can and the "captured" organisations are starting to break free of the TRA and those who resisted capture continue to question. Most ordinary people on the street do not believe TWAW/TMAM in any sense so the whole project is starting to stall.

( no- )
The thing that gives me hope is that genderists lost this battle before it even started. Men will never become women, women will never become men. They can push this ideology from the top down as much as they want, set women’s rights decades back, censor and ostracize lesbians, mutilate and sterilize people, groom children and separate them from their families, but ultimately, there’s nothing in store for them but hubris. I see no future for this reality denying death cult, its destruction is built-in.

Alalies #transphobia ovarit.com

I feel like a big part of the TIM mindset is recognizing their strong sexual urges and behaviors are creepy, and misapplying that feeling to being male. “If I were a woman this wouldn’t be creepy!” Instead of realizing that it’s the urges and behaviors themselves that are creepy.

Unfortunately, they come to subs filled with other TIMs who tell them they’re not creepy, they’re normal, and then that affirms their belief that it was the maleness that was wrong, and not the behavior.

Ironically, this was recently posted on one of the more based lesbian subs.

sylviasmushrooms #transphobia ovarit.com

History will judge us on gender | Shonagh Dillon | The Critic Magazine

I’ve started calling things what they are, just to watch gender people squirm.

Trans woman = Man who pretends to be a woman.

Trans man = Woman who pretends to be a man

Gender = sex stereotypes

Puberty blockers = depriving children of the right to the natural process of physical and mental maturation

Gender affirmative care = approaching confused kids with the premeditated endgame that they are trans and require treatment.

Childhood transition = modern castrati

Top surgery = elective and medically unnecessary double mastectomy

Bottom surgery = flaying a penis and stuffing it into an artificial wound, or flaying skin from a thigh or forearm and grafting it onto a clitoris

Nonbinary = self-centered and aggressively average in every way except their ability to overestimate their capacity for original thought

“Be kind” = “shut up”

“Protect trans kids” = sterilize gay and autistic children with a smile

“Living your truth” = lying about everything you’ve ever authentically been

Egg cracking = “I am upset when we are not about me??”

Passing = LYING and sort of getting away with it

Gender euphoria = arousal

Trans lesbian = straight man

Preferred pronouns = compelled speech

Queer = ???????

Intersex = outdated term for people with an actual medical condition who have nothing to do with trans.

LGB = same-sex attracted individuals who have nothing to do with trans

Cis = mean-spirited, derisive moniker to label normal people without their consent

Woman = adult human female

Man = adult human male

Child = underage person who cannot consent to tattoos, piercings, sex, or sex changes

Kim Petras = castrato with octogenarian hips and no sex drive

Jazz Jennings = castrato with depression and obesity and no sex drive

Hormone treatment = intentionally creating a hormone imbalance

Trans rights = privileges the rest of us cannot access

It’s AMAZING how uncomfortable these so-called progressives are when you point out what they’re actually supporting, without the manipulative emotional music and hazy montages about “trans joy.”

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Rules for thee, but not for me.
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( worried19 )
My biggest gripe is that it's not even accurate. I am not "cis" according to gender ideology. I feel no affinity with femininity or womanhood. I don't "feel like" a woman in any way, shape, or form. If I had been given a choice, I would have preferred to have been born male.

None of that makes me any less female. It doesn't make my sex less real. Women who have complicated or negative feelings about their biological sex are women, too.

( Autumn-Aprodithe )
Why do they get angry when you call a man in a woman costume a man? that's what they are. Why do they get upset when real women don't want biological males in their safe spaces? That's what I would like to know.

I'm not a cis, I am a woman. I did not give these transvestites permission to call me anything else besides a woman so I have a right to say no to that crap.

( SilentKnight )
According to gender ideology itself, radfems aren't even "cis". We'd all be nonbinary or transmasc or something because we don't identify with the sexist "gender assigned at birth". Or agender because we don't have a gender identity.

( Women1st )
It’s a label. You don’t get to appropriate my language and then label me to validate your BS delusion. Would you think it’s acceptable to label another race, ethnic group, etc?

( kuzcos_poison )
They do though. Latinx is the one example I can think of, and I'm pretty sure it's now being phased out because of the refusal and backlash from Latin American/Hispanic people.

( RusticTroglodyte )
I don't like being called "cis". Shouldn't my preferences be respected, asshole?

RuneOwl #transphobia #interphobia ovarit.com

RE: What is the ideal endgame for you concerning gender ideology?

1. Sex segregated spaces for women and girls (bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, etc.) will be universally protected, with mandatory jail time and lifetime sex offender registration for men who are caught infiltrating. Repeat offenders will be either institutionalized or imprisoned for life

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3. Total and complete ban on male inclusion in organized women’s athletic competitions on every level, from high school sports to the Olympics. Violating this rule is punished as a form of cheating that warrants a lifetime ban from all future competition, even in the men’s division. Zero exceptions. This applies not just to TIMs, but intersex men with a Y chromosome (you’re not a woman just because your balls are on the inside, Caster Semenya). Women’s sports will no longer be seen as a category that failed men can be lumped in with

4. Stringent free speech laws that protect people, especially GC women, from being deplatformed or discriminated against. We have the right to press hate crime charges against trans activists who attempt to use intimidation, threats, or slander to silence feminist critics. Under no circumstances is “misgendering” or “deadnaming” a punishable offense, and it is illegal to compel anyone to use special pronouns

5. Total ban on both medical transition and any manner of “gender-affirming therapy” for minors. Children will not be allowed to socially transition, either—schools will have to protect GNC minors, and genuinely distressed kids will receive counseling that is structured to help them accept themselves as they are. Any parents that try to coerce or enable a child under the age of 18 to medically transition, whether it’s buying black market hormones online or taking them overseas to get surgeries, can expect to face felony child abuse charges

6. Regarding adult transitions, the medical community will move away from the “affirmation” model and return to stricter gatekeeping than ever before. It will not be considered an option at all for anyone with a criminal background or certain severe psychological disorders. Years of mandatory therapy should be required before even hormones are made available. Gender dysphoria will be understood as the severe mental illness that it is and not a normal thing like sexual orientation

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dragonheart , sensusquaeram & Ellexoh #transphobia ovarit.com

( dragonheart )
What is the ideal endgame for you concerning gender ideology?
Obviously, all of us here are against this ideology in one way or another but I wonder what would be the ideal outcome for all of us?

Personally speaking, the biggest one for me is seeing women's same-sex spaces and sports legally protected from men/TIMs period. No exceptions.

Women should also have a right to gather for whatever reason and legally be able to exclude TIMs.

If TIMs and pickmeisha's want to create their own spaces and sport leagues, they are welcome to it and I have nothing against it.

I also don't think that anyone under 18 should be able to medically transition - it's irreversible damage that can never be undone should they regret it - so that should also be illegal. They don't allow children to get tattoos so how is it they're allowed to be irreversibly mutilated under surgery?!

Consenting adults can do what they like with their bodies, even if I don't agree with it.

( sensusquaeram )
Everything already said here about women's sex-based protections and gender abolition.

I'd go further though -- all "trans" procedures should be abolished, with robust evidence-based medical and mental health care in place for those already "transed" as well as destransers/desistors.

Reasoning: affirmative psychological and medical procedures are not civil rights or liberties, they are dangerous experimental procedures. Challenges to the Dutch Protocol and emerging evidence reveal they do not improve mental health, physical health, or quality-of-life measures long term. (If they did reliably improve those measures long term, and if "gender dysphoria" were a discreet condition, we'd be seeing very different emerging evidence.)

It's a medical misadventure based on shaky evidence from a questionable discipline (sexology) with a fraught history and advanced by activism, not need. It's not treatment -- it's mistreatment. Medicine and psychology need to do better.

( Ellexoh )
The endgame for me personally would be getting my grandson (who thinks he's a girl) to speak with me again, to realise he lost a good thing when he prioritised an ideology over his family.

The endgame will never happen as a whole. The ideology has to be chipped away at by individuals, by parents, by sensible lawmakers, by strong women. Men can't be us.

mathlover , VestalVirgin & TheChaliceIsMightier #transphobia ovarit.com

Utah bill would require inmates to be housed based on sex, creates transfer request system for transgender people - Deseret News

( mathlover )
This would be OK if it was acknowledged that 100% of the men who say they are women will be a threat to the safety of any/all women they would be incarcerated with. I think it is a waste of time and money to go through the motions. But OK, as long as there is only one outcome - people are imprisoned with others of the same biological sex.

( VestalVirgin )
Yeah, any man who wants to be imprisoned with women is a danger to women, because no decent man would demand that. Obviously.

And even a man who does not want to be imprisoned with women, because he isn't a rapist, would infringe on women's privacy if he were to be put in a women's prison, so ...

There is no kind of man who should be in a women's prison.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
I think the statistic for how many female inmates have experienced sexual abuse of some kind is like 80% so yeah… none of them need the added trauma of having penises in their space.

MardyMcMare , littleowl12 & RusticTroglodyte #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Rip Curl makes huge damage control move after outraged Aussies tried to cancel the iconic brand for using a trans woman to promote women's surfing | Daily Mail Online

( MardyMcMare )
Do advertising companies exist in some kind of vacuum? How can Rip Curl not have heard about other disastrous instances of using TIMs to advertise to women? Do they think they’re the first people to ever think of using men pretending to be women, rather than actual real women? Do they believe women will think “Gosh, how stunning and brave these men are, wish I could be like them, what are they selling, I want it NOW”?

Good on Australian women for kicking back.

( littleowl12 )
I don't feel sorry for companies that want to pay bottom dollar instead of top dollar for the most skilled, honest, marketing strategists. They want to hire temp noobs and get what they deserve.

I'll concede, though, that they don't have a very good pool of applicants. Most university grads only learn Woke and DEI propaganda. They don't actually believe that their job is to make your company money. No, no, that's just a cover- their REAL job in life is to spread the gospel of all things Woke. They'll happily collect a check from you, but they don't think they're honor bound to deliver what you wanted, which was a sales boost.

This is the problem with Woke thinking. There are no other values than Oppression Dungeons And Dragons. Work ethic is not a real thing. They moan about the plebians not having enough money, but don't connect that boosting sales means the company makes more money, and doesn't have to lay off workers.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Fuck YES, ladies! We can make a difference. They will never silence us. They can go on and on about how hateful we are but at the end of the day, the vast majority of sane, non-hateful ppl agree that men should not be competing against women in sport.

Men cannot become women. No amount of "testosterone suppression" can make men as a class on the same physical level as women as a class.

They can cry all day long, delete 80% of pro-women comments from reddit, call us all manner of horrifying names, threaten us with physical violence and sexual assault, and all that does is peak more people

So please, hashtag LISTENTOTRANSVOICES

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

The trans flag is homophobic
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( RighteousIndignation )
As a single, straight adult white women whom is approaching middle age. to me it just screams oppression.

and yes I think the single part is relevant it already affects life when you are on your own about where you feel safe going and at what time of day, that oppressive flag symbolises even more places being unsafe to go.

( neonbandit )
For me personally this is the exclusionary flag. I am not gay, trans, queer, black or brown. This flag tells me I am not welcome or included. The rainbow flag didn't feel like that because it was about a specific thing: same sex attraction. This is the let's throw race in there just cuz it'll legitimize our insane position flag

I also find it interesting as a woman I cannot gather with other women (real women) publicly anymore without being the potential creepy TiM coming in, yet women are not represented on this flag.

( thesnorkmaiden )
This flag makes me very sad. It's impossible to ignore that every single person in the entire world is supposedly represented by this flag except straight white people. It's a flag for people to unite against their oppressor, but I don't feel like an oppressor, and my children are certainly not oppressors. But hey! Any straight white person can easily opt out of the oppressor class by just identifying as any number of flavours of "queer." It's a blatant "us vs. them" move and it is so clearly not the right way forward. Every single public building and business in my city has this flag on their front door with the message "everyone welcome." But I'm not welcome, and my kids are not welcome. This flag tells me as much. I know that the whole movement is stupid, and that people are simply not thinking about what they're really saying, so I try not to let it get to me, but sometimes I just feel so hopeless because where I live is all in on this flag and this ideology.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Misogyny, racism, and homophobia. That's what I see when I look at this ugly ass flag.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Do you have a minute to support trans kids?"

( DurableBook )
One of them once asked me, very aggressively, "So what if one of YOUR kids tells you they are trans, huh?!"

I replied that I would reassure my child that there is nothing wrong with who they are, and I would try to find out where they got the idea that they need to change themselves in order to be okay.

I was informed that I am a hateful bigot who practices conversion therapy.

( TwoXChromosomes )
There is no such thing as a "trans kid".

( befana )
This would have been my reply, too. And I am always ready to go into a discussion about why it is wiser to change society than mutilate children whose behaviour is questioning gender stereotypes.

( syntaxerror )
Human nature and human history is shockingly cyclical. You would think it wouldn’t be, what with every generation increasing our collective knowledge, especially with the internet, but it is.

Every decade, every century, there is a new snake oil or lobotomy. A medical miracle that breaks the bounds of modern science! Sure, it seems a bit unorthodox and medieval, but look at the amazing effects it has!

The problem is, with each passing century we get better technology, meaning that the damage in some cases can be far more catastrophic and far reaching. As we see here. It’s weird because I can already see the thinkpieces, documentaries, books that will be written on this time from 2015-2025, these ten years where this all spiraled out of control, and the fallout, which has yet to be fully understood. Can you imagine what they’ll think of us years from now? I suspect that a lot of dissenting voices will be lost to time but at least we can feel proud that we didn’t mindlessly agree to castrate and sterilize adolescents in name of pseudoscience

( IrishTheFrenchie )
"Do you have a minute to talk about Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?"

"Do you have a minute to talk about Scientology?"

"Do you have a minute to talk about the Revelation?"

Do they even hear themselves?

( Spencer_Shayy )
Right? I was just thinking this. My reply would've been, "No, I'm not religious", because 1) what this handmaiden said literally sounds like a Jehovah's Witness proselytizing, and 2) the belief in "gender identity" is akin to religious beliefs.

dobby , OwnLyingEyes & glimmer #interphobia #transphobia ovarit.com

JKR faces legal repercussions for attacking a cis woman[sic] but not trans people? Double standards much??
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( dobby )
“cis woman”?

Isn’t Khalif a biological male? They may not be a trans-identifying male, but but biologically they are male.

That seems relevant in the matter of fairness in women’s sports no matter how much people want to ignore this athlete’s biology.

Also, this twitter person sounds unhinged.

( OwnLyingEyes )
Yes, he's a biological male, however he was (probably) mistaken for female at birth, which allows them to call him a 'cis' woman since that would have been his 'assigned gender at birth.' Yet another reason to not use their stupid term. Only women are women, women are female, and so as Khalif isn't female he's not any kind of woman.

( glimmer )
And since "cis" is a completely made up term anyway. He may be "cis" but there is no doubt every cell in his body is XY male. And I think there's LITTLE doubt he identifies as a male as well in private.

This is why I'm not "cis" "trans" or anything else but a WOMAN on the basis of being biologically female.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The lies behind the ‘conversion therapy’ panic - spiked

( mathlover )
It neatly sidesteps the fact that any kid who say they are, or think they are, "trans" has already been subject to conversion - in schools, by medical/psych practitioners, in the home. Many (?most of these kids will be incipient gay boys or lesbians, or "gender nonconforming" girls). This law tries to make sure that the conversion "therapy" that brainwashed kids into the TCult won't be undone to help kids grow up to be healthy gay/lesbian or just gnc adults.

The lawsuits need to be a relentless flood that will force open public discovery of what is being done to kids.

( littleowl12 )
Transition is the ultimate conversion therapy. You got guys like Blaire White claiming his relationship with Joey was "straight." You got Adeeah on TikTok claiming that he is straight. All these HSTS losers claiming to be straight. Shortened lives and mutilated bodies.

( Spencer_Shayy )
What sucks for guys like Blaire White, Dylan Mulvaney, and Rapey J Penis is that they looked so much better before they decided to LARP as women. They would've been a lot happier (and maybe slightly less horrible people) if they just accepted how they were.

Rapey J Dennis could've just been a regular incel lol Blaire could've just been a regular gay dude, and Dylan would've just been another annoying theater kid.

But in this day and age, being yourself is boring.

( DurableBook )
Seriously, all the "conversion therapy bans" make me pull my hair out for the same reason:

TRANSITION IS LITERALLY A SYNONYM FOR CONVERSION.

"Gender affirmative health care" is conversion therapy, by definition. What it affirms is that the person is not okay the way they are and must change. That's it, that's the whole fucking thing, that is what it is.

Yet every single one of the "conversion therapy bans" being pushed today is being pushed specifically to protect the conversion therapy practice known as transition.

I 1000% support bans on conversion therapy, and I 1000% know they are needed, because conversion therapy is happening on the largest scale we have seen so far in history...it's called transition, or gender affirming care, or whatever new buzzword the trans lobby comes up with for their mantra that some people need to change their entire selves or else die.

various commenters #interphobia #transphobia ovarit.com

( Dusty )
Does anyone else feel like they're the only sane person in the asylum?
I was watching Khelif's latest interview, in this one he's wearing makeup and acting very demure and "feminine", unlike every other time we've seen him flexing his muscles and every other video or picture of him where he's barefaced and strutting around and posing like a "cool guy".

So now, you'd expect anyone with eyes to see that he's putting on a performance, right? No, suddenly it's "See! She was a woman all along. Look how feminine she is here!"

I mean, this a joke, surely? Are people really buying this bullshit? It's like watching the world's worst confidence man dressing up as a woman to scam idiot aristocrats in a 60s screwball comedy. To the audience, it's obvious the conman is a man dressed as a woman, and we all laugh as the dumb aristocrat fawns over them and calls them a beautiful woman. I mean, as a society, we used to understand the joke, we used to see this for what it was. What's happened?

( NoName )
They know he's a man. They're just enjoying gaslighting people.

As far as being sane, this is the only forum I can go to where this can be discussed without being shut down.

Actually, I can barely even call men out for violence against women. That gets me called a "misandrist" and people pretend just as many women beat up men as the other way around. It's nuts.

I feel sane here. Y'all are sane.

( Dwarfjade )
I feel crazy too. No one irl wants to hear me complain about two people with Y chromosomes winning women’s Olympic boxing. Oh well

( Chronicity )
Watch how people call him a “cis woman” and act like it’s ludicrous that anyone would clock him as a man. We are supposed to believe there are legions of women out there who look just like this man.

But these same people accept without question that TIMs will experience life-threatening gender dysphoria if they can’t look like women do. You know, like the complete opposite of Khelif.

( CrimsonSoleil )
That’s a great point. If women can look like this boxer, why have any surgeries at all?

various commenters #interphobia #transphobia ovarit.com

Women come in all shapes and sizes
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( RusticTroglodyte )
the pic with his obvious bulge showing totally kills me

( spacykate )
Also the pic of him sparring with a crotch guard. Come on.

( Jehane )
Male aggression, right there. No wonder the Italian boxer gave up after 40 seconds or so. Any woman in her right mind would be scared shitless if a man came at her looking like that.

( MaryDyer )
Yep. That pose and expression are 100% male. I’ve seen some angry women before but I’ve never seen one in such a male-typical rage-posture.

( DoomedSibyl )
It’s astounding that so many people are still insisting that he’s a fully normal woman. He’s frightening and so very, very male in every picture I’ve seen of him. People are so vulnerable to suggestion and what is essentially mind-controlled marketing and advertising. For years now I’ve wondered what things I believe that are completely false.

( KageThornback )
Not so astounding when supposedly trusted major media is running the narrative that he's female. I was having dinner with a few friends and one friend brought him up unprompted and she had a little rant about the injustice of it all. This was a pleasant surprise as I usually have to bite my tongue and consciously try not to talk about trans bullshit around these friends because they are 'normies' and I can tell they are getting bored of my rants. Sadly, as a much less pleasant surprise, the next time I met with this friend for a coffee a few days later she started telling me about how she was wrong about everything and owed 'her' an apology because she read a BBC article about how imane is just a really special woman after all.

( Sonnet )
Female people pointing out that many TIMs have recognizably-masculine features = SEXISMMMMMM! Against gender non-conforming women of course, this has nothing to do with male feelings.

Male people obsessing about their next breast augmentation or facial-feminization surgery = Well if I can’t be a woman who looks like a porn star I might as well be dead, you know?