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Jim35 #fundie freerepublic.com

[”It is usually a direct result of some statement which displays a lack of science eduction(sic)...”]
You cherry-pick those quotes that you find the most objectionable, but you have a tendency to ignore the bigger questions, or the more coherent statements.

For instance, what is the origin of life, from which all other life sprang?

Did only one organism start all present forms of life, from amoebae to whales? Or did several different primordial organisms form around the same time, spawning the diversity that is the hallmark of our world?

Is life still being spontaneously generated, or was that only possible a couple of billion years ago?

When most of life was extinguished during one or another extinction episode, did it all start over again from another primordial ooze, or did the few life-forms left over become the ancestors of all present life?

What type of evolution is responsible for the presence of non-living matter? Of energy? Of cosmic forces, etc?

Is it really possible for a species to become suited to its environment through a random process of mutation?

Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. To believe that all that exists merely came about through some random process more than strains credulity, it rips it to shreds

EndWelfareToday #fundie freerepublic.com


Question... How does anyone know that our Sun burns Hydrogen? Was a prob sent to the Sun to collect data? Is there a lab on the Sun that I’ve not heard of? How can anyone state with such certainty what the Sun does or does not burn with the limited knowledge we actually have about the Sun?

EndWelfareToday #fundie freerepublic.com

[The Sun converts hydrogen in to helium and then that gets converted into higher molecules. We know this from spectrophotometer observation of the sun.]

And what data are you using to compare the results found while using the spectrophotometer? Surely you are speculating that between here and the Sun there are no phenomena that could skew your results or perhaps you are speculating that there are no other gases or chemicals or ??? God only knows what that closely resembles the results junk-scientist claim to be fact isn't this correct?

Forgive me but I'm tired of egg-heads stating as fact "theories." Theories are nothing more than glorified hunches and until actual evidence (like a physical sample of the material burning on the Sun collected off the Sun) that's all this "hunch" will be.

I'd appreciate it if people would make their statements in an honest manner instead of trying to brainwash the general populace into supporting causes that are full of hot air.


rickdylan #fundie freerepublic.com

The basic system of life i.e. RNA/DNA is clearly the work of a single pair of hands, i.e. God’s. Moreover it is provable that macroevolution is unworkable. Nonetheless evidence suggests that the re-engineering of life forms was a cottage industry of some sort in the recent past of this planet and that more than one pair of hands was involved. God wouldn’t need 100 subtypes of horses and again there is no reasonable way to picture God having created biting flies and ticks.

Aquinasfan #fundie freerepublic.com

[When the Constitution was written, there was no mention of God, Jesus, the Bible or Christianity, save the ambigious matter of the date at the end. The idea of adding some such reference was considered, and was rejected rather resoundingly. We know this from the words of Luther Martin, a convention delegate who strongly advocated adding said reference.]

This was a fundamental error.

[Since then, America has become the greatest and most powerful nation the world has ever seen, and every other government in existance at the time has changed rather dramatically.]

There are many good things about America, including her social stability and wealth, but the worst thing about our country, besides the millions slaughtered in state-sanctioned abortions, is the rise of moral relativism, which can arguably be tied to the religious indifferentism that is central to our constitutional form of government.

[I would say that the objective evidence suggests that if one assumes that some deity who we can call God is involved in the state of our world, said Deity had no objection to said ommission.]

At the very least, God permitted the rise of the Roman Empire, the Ottoman empire, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. One cannot necessarily infer from earthly power God's blessing upon a nation.


razzle #fundie freerepublic.com

Don’t waste your time with these evo clowns, Tribune. They have lots and lots of religious stuff they want you to read but when all is said and done, their beliefs are no more scientific than the fortune teller at the country fair. They can’t even explain how a device as simple as a mousetrap could “evolve” via darwinism, let alone a complex structure like the eye.

Designed #fundie freerepublic.com


All of this may not matter much to you, but I have two earned degrees, one in biology and chemistry, and the other a DDS. I have INTENSELY studied the evolution-creation debate for about 35 years, and have read something like 250 books on both sides of the issue. I have come to the studied conclusion that evolution is junk science, sort of like man-made global warming. We have been told so many thousands of times, for so many years, that evolution is a fact. As a result many people who are basically uninformed have been brainwashed. You might look at some of the articles and archives at the Discovery Institute. You might want to read some of the offerings by Michael Denton. By the way, Dr. Ken Ham of the creation museum is INCREDIBLY well-informed.

farmer18th #fundie freerepublic.com

The Pagan religion is quite frightening when it gets into the dark arts. I’ve read some things written by pagans on forums. Most all are, with kinda of an exception for one, definitely the most liberal, bitter feminazis you ever want to meet.

epow #fundie freerepublic.com

[On the story about a Hindu prayer opening a congressional session...]

Just great. The very same building where Christian worship services were once held every Sunday with President Thomas Jefferson, most of Congress, USSC Justices, and ordinary Americans in attendance is now a place for "prayer" by a pagan demon worshipper.
It wasn't enough for the corrupt, Godless, baby-killing Democrat leadership that a cleric of the Satanic cult of Islam was invited to the Senate floor to pray to his demonic deity a few years ago, now they have to invite another pagan cultist to repeat the insult to all American Christians.

Yeah I know the standard outraged PC replies that I will get from non-believing FReepers, "America isn't a Christian nation", blah, blah, blah, which is sadly but very obviously true in 21st century America. But that's what the American Christian patriots who fought and died to create the USA and keep it free intended it to be.

WorkerbeeCitizen #fundie freerepublic.com

["Can Prayer Stave Off Jihad in US?"]

Yes it will. Asking God for the ability and guidance to destroy our enemies is a proven tactic before battle to ensure victory.

Even if you only pray for a steady hand and a true aim, that will be enough.

rickdylan/medved/tomazz #fundie freerepublic.com

[Britain withdrew Darwin’s home, Downe House (outside London), from consideration as a UN World Heritage Site, and Nature seemed downright disappointed.1 An article quoted Darwin scholar James Moore saying, “Muslims go to Mecca, Christians go to Jerusalem, Darwinians go to Downe.”]

He got all but the last part of that right. The darwinists go to hell. At least if they don't, it's despite darwinism and not because of it.


Alien Syndrome #fundie freerepublic.com

...But to get back to the rest of your post I would like to ask if you have any proof, facts or figures that atheists love their mothers or their country I would love to see it. And you should know that unlike Christians, who are taught to love and respect their parents (read the 10 commandments), atheist are not required to do so and often don’t because “hey, since nothings’ going happen to me after I die why should I care”, that’s just how they think.

Alamo-Girl #fundie freerepublic.com

[The scientists who are studying these issues are the one's whose opinions count. That's harsh, but that's the way it works in science.]

LOLOL! I laugh at the arrogance of science.
What happens on this earth is insignificant over the age of the universe much less eternity.

A thing only matters if God wills it. His opinion is the only one that counts.

To God be the glory.


Farmer18th #fundie freerepublic.com

We were much better off when it was legal to burn pagans at the stake. These Harry Potter sponge-heads don’t know what real pagan and animist culture looks like. If they did, they would be running very far, and very fast, away from their Druid roots. (I suppose that would require some reading on their part though...)

Alien Syndrome #fundie freerepublic.com

In order to defeat those who promote atheism we must hit them were it hurts the most, namely the school system.

First we must (and I mean must) get rid of the ban on prayer. Our children need to be able to express their faith if they want to grow to be well adjusted adults (just look at what political correctness is doing to them).

Next, we have to get rid of evolution and replace it with sound science. There is a reason why America is lagging behind other countries in the sciences. If we don’t stop teaching this dead end we will never make the advancements needed to survive.


Alien Syndrome #fundie freerepublic.com

The reason I say this about atheists is because it is the truth. Just because there might be a couple good atheists doesn’t mean that they are the representation of the whole.

If you think you know how admirable atheists are, just read the “God delusion” or “God is not great”, it will show how they really are.

I’m sorry, but it is imposable for atheists to intentionally good, they need the fear of punishment to keep them in line. For you see, they deny God and therefore refuse to believe in heaven or in a closeness to God. Without this, an atheist will only see himself as “God” and live accordingly under this selfish delusion, regardless of the consequences towards others.

Farmer18th #fundie freerepublic.com

Very brave guys. God bless them.
Three things: first, homosexuals lose their humanity when they succumb to this sort of depravity and become little more than animals.
Second, they needed to be treated that way. Christians should seek armed protection when they go up against animlas like this.
Third: the first amendment was meant to protect expression, not exhibition. We should pass a law that anyone who participates in a Gay pride rally should be executed, (after due process of course.)

caffe #fundie freerepublic.com

Actually, there were no oceans until the universal flood.

I have studied macro-evolutionary theory and it remains just that a - a theory. A theory that now has a long list of deceits and lies . I pulled my daughter out of the atheistic government schools and she attends an excellent christian prep school. They expose the students to all theorys - the good, bad and the ugly. Problem solved. It amazes me that in the face of all the money and propaganda spent on atheistic macro evolutionary theory, that the American people overwhelmingly reject it. Evolutionary atheists are spending tons of money and yet always are on the defense. I find that interesting when they claim it is such solid science. I know science and it is actually a bunch of scientific philosophy.

Alien Syndrome #fundie freerepublic.com

Atheists are not capable of being patriots because they are incapable of convictions or love. Since they have denied God, they see no reason to practice either since they don’t see how it will benefit their personal standing.

So no, atheists can not be Americanism.

Zionist Conspirator #fundie freerepublic.com

Unlike those people who define "anti-Semitism" as ethnic bigotry, I define it as opposition to or ridicule of actual Jewish religious beliefs. If you ever reidicule the Jewish G-d or His Torah I can assure you I will request your expulsion from this forum as an anti-Semite. And I mean it.

YOUGOTIT #fundie freerepublic.com

“In his new book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, Hedges insists that today’s evangelical Christians are good old-fashioned fascists and Nazis reborn.”
Another left-wing fascist liar. Hitler was a left-wing Democrat as all multi-killers of the 20th century have been. Hitler (7 to 15 million), Stalin (25 to 35 million), Pol Pot (1 to 5 million), Saddam (1 to 6 million) and the list of left-wing scum goes on and on. The left has been responsible for more killing and dictators than any group who believes in small government and freedom like the right of the Republican party.

Little Jeremiah #fundie freerepublic.com

"While some say the decision was made in defense of conservative values, others say it was simply discrimination against gays and lesbians."

Same thing. And a good thing, too.

This is my new message - we have the inalienable RIGHT to discriminate against that which is unhealthy, immoral and unnatural. No one can take that right away. To take that right away is totalitarianism.

Little Jeremiah #fundie freerepublic.com

Okay, I'm going to make it real simple. Homosexuals should be discriminated against. Doesn't mean we should hate them as individuals (although the Constitution allows that), doens't mean we should be allowed to burn their houses down. But there is nothing in the Constitution, common sense, or human decency that mandates that anyone should be forced to allow sexual deviants or any other people addicted to and promoting vice in parades, to rent to them, hire them, to teach in schools, etcetcetc. We gotta start standing up to evil or we join it.

Leatherneck MT #fundie freerepublic.com

This is a response to someone's post about the new conservative French president invading Syria. His "Biblical" solution is astounding.


Syria, unfortunately, can never be “liberated”.

They have the government they want and if you take it out they will simply replace it with another one just like it, or worse.

The only way you can liberate syria is to extinguish all life in it and move people in who do not have cultural roots to the land.

I look back in the old testament where God ordered the Israelites wipe out every living thing in the land they moved into.

Seems there was a good reason.

MEGoody #fundie freerepublic.com

I have no suggestions on what the Cheneys should do in this situation, but I can tell you what I did.

I have a gay daughter and have been loving and accepting of her and her partner, but not of their lifestyle. We have made clear our opinions, but my wife and I do not make life uncomfortable for them because of our opinions.

When they announced that they were going to try and get pregnant, we sat them down and explained our position. We explained why we believed that children should have a mother and a father and told them that, should they go though with this, we would sue for custody of our grandchild. We assured them that living in the South that we had a better than even chance of winning.

Though they were not happy with our decision, they still visited and were welcomed and we have always been welcomed at their home. They thought of moving elsewhere but didn't like any of the places with more liberal laws. (A lesson in how liberalism ruins a place) It has now been eight years and still no babies.

Khepera #fundie freerepublic.com

The right to life movement is all about "intolerance" and a majority component in the movement is "Christian Morality". Christians should not tolerate Murder or Homosexuality. It’s bad enough that we have to live in a secular society. Being forced to deny our beliefs by presenting ourselves as Inclusive for the sake of diversity should also not be tolerated.

DaveLoneRanger #racist freerepublic.com

I was down in Florida recently, and as usual, had to stop by a Wal-Mart eventually. It was horrible. I heard Spanish more than I heard English. When ordering at their deli, the lady couldn’t understand me. I had to interrupt to employees jabbering in Spanish to ask for some help finding something, since their Wal-Mart layout was different. I walked past one worker who was leaning on his stocking cart and talking on his cell phone.

We’re headed for a war, if you ask me.

wizr #fundie freerepublic.com

So, a young father is watching his little daughter sitting in the garden.

Then, he notices that she is staring intently at one spot, and goes to see what she is watching. There are 2 spiders, mating.

She asks "What are they doing, daddy?"

"They are making little spiders." He says.

"What kind of spider is the one on top, daddy?"

"It's a daddy longlegs." honey.

"And the one on the bottom is a mommy longlegs?"

"No. It's a daddy longlegs, too."

She watches for another moment, thinking.

Then, she jumps up and stomps the spiders into oblivion, and says...."They may get away with that in California and Massachusetts, but they sure as hell don't get away with it here in Texas!"

69ConvertibleFirebird #fundie freerepublic.com

Ahhh... but not so fast!!! Liberals will abort all children who are NOT gay. They will have to do the politically correct thing and kill the normal babies.
Also, did you know that there is a genetic link between crime and race? Does this excuse someone of his/her crimes? People are capable of making their own decisions whether they are "genetically predisposed" to doing something or not.

Neoliberalnot #homophobia freerepublic.com

The preponderance of male homos are in fact pedophiles. Estimates approaching 80% of male homosexuals were molested as children. The incidence of pedophilia, or more correctly, pederastic behavior, in male homos is some 10-fold higher than in heterosexual pedophiles. NAMBLA members often participate in parades of homosexuals and to my knowledge nambla is the only organization on the planet promoting the molestation of children. Natually, this hidden part of the lifestyle won't be found on the will and grace show and yet remains in another part of the closet. Not many years ago I attended a scientific meeting in San Fran and a group of us stumbled onto a "gay" parade. It was undoubtedly the most disgusting display of deviancy I have ever witnessed.

Quix #fundie freerepublic.com

Quite a number of Christian authors insist that even the craft are nothing more than materialized demons.

I don't believe that.

I believe that the ET critters et al are in cahoots with satan toward setting up the world government and are likely fallen angels/evil WATCHERS in Biblical & ENOCH terms.

But there are nuts and bolt craft that my relative worked around. And ET's taught us how to build them.

rickdylan #fundie freerepublic.com

The two main pillars of evolutionist philosophy are that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature, and that he who dies with the most offspring is the winner. The two ideals in that moral world have to be the serial rapist, and the welfare mother. Those are the two people an evolutionist would look up to.

Maeve #fundie freerepublic.com

Contraception is telling God that you will not serve him with your body. And when you start telling God "No, I will not serve. I will not be fruitful and multiply as you command me to in this marriage. No, I will not serve you this way, God." Ah, but you've just signed up with someone else who said he wouldn't serve and then crawled out of the garden on his belly eating the dust.

Andrew Byler #fundie freerepublic.com

["By not allowing relatively minor disagreements side track us from the much bigger evils that need to be battled."]

There is no greater evil than contraception which must be battled today. If contraception, and the mentality that accepts it are defeated, then also fall like dominoes all the support for abortion, homosexuality, fornication, divorce, pornography, feminism, materialism, and "pick-'n-choose" religious faith. Also to be accounted as allied with contraception are illegal immigration (to make up the population deficit it causes) and overseas imperialism (to force others not to demographically overwhelm us).

Most of what is wrong in the world today comes back to contraception and its associated selfishness and selfcenteredness.

I'm not interested in battling evils with people who support evil.

Cott Shop #fundie freerepublic.com

[Regarding a study which showed rising HPV rates in girls]

Gosh- I can't understand why it's so high- it just couldn't be because our freakin schools teach sex ed to gradeschoolers, hand out condoms to highschoolers, encourage sex and abortions and teach that it's alright to be a slut before the kids even reach puberty.

The stinkin sex revolution agendists have brought this problem on our society and now they want to mandate HPV virus innoculation against a parents wishes? Oh, but they'll tell you there is no connection between promiscuity encouragement in schools and the increase in cancer- oh no, it's gottas be sdomething else.

Cott Shop #fundie freerepublic.com

[Regarding Evolution...]

the net is full of evidences- pure scientific evidences that don't rely on biblical interpretations- Formations in the earth that contradict old age, radio-halos that suggest rapid formation, carbon-14 readings that contradict old age suggestions, every bit as valid theories about light and the age of the universe being younger than previously thought, red-shifts suggesting our present knowledge of light speed may be off by tons, on and on it goes. there's plenty for those who don't trip themselves up on religious OPINION that accompanies 'some' of the scientific findings- (As though suggesting that scientists can't have their own independant opinions- yet these same people that suggest any religious opinion contained with scientific reports disqualifies the science facts that are found, will turn right around and allow the most perposterous evolutionary opinion, and call that science- remember the monster theory? Global Cooling? Global Warming? The lies that were presented as scientific fact such as endosimbiotic relationships were 'macroevolution' being witnessed? When in fact it was nothing but a syimbiotic ralationship which they later begrudgingly admitted when exposed for the liars that they were by those who didn't blindly buy into their crap? & how bout all them 'missing link' fossils that have been proven false by sound science?

Just one piece of evidence? Oh my, there's a ton.

editor-surveyor #fundie freerepublic.com

["IMO, a clear demonstration that advancing scientific understanding of the universe, and belief in the existence of God as the Creator of the Universe, are not only compatible, BUT VERY LIKELY THE SAME THING."]

Yes, in fact if you make two changes to Hawking's cosmos it matches Genesis quite well:

1. Make it a bounded universe (and thus by equal distribution of gravitation, spherical).

2. Place earth at the center, as God most certainly would have.

These two changes to a universe that expanded from a singularity give us D. Russell Humphreys' well thought out model, which allows distant bodies to be truly distant while still having a six day creation as measured at the center, through the gravitational dilation of time of Einstein's General Relativity.

When you get your science right, it never disagrees with God's word.

anonymous #fundie freerepublic.com

[Regarding contraception] what exactly have we gained? The ability of men to enjoy committment-free casual sex without any of the guilt or consequences? The celebration of women as sexual chattel?

Quite honestly, I see the devaluation of man and woman--reducing the opposite sex to a mere flesh-and-bone sex toy is probably the most dehumanizing thing anyone can do to another, short of killing, raping, or maiming them.

Wakeup Sleeper #fundie freerepublic.com

And it is commonsense that the world is a more dangerous place than it was in the past. The evidence is so overwhelming that when immorality goes up so does consequences from go up! Sexual immorality the rise in disease statistics go up broken homes, abuse,etc!... Drug use? muder death and despair go up! etc... etc...etc.... who do you think you are kidding? look at the old west, where law was scarce, why do you think people carried guns on there sides, in those places, they were dangerous!!!!!! duh!!!! Why do you think africa and other sexualy immoral areas are ridden with aids and other diseases!!!! It not even worth the argument with you!!!! and why do you guys keep re writting everything a person posts that doesnt agree with you, do think you are belittling someone this way, "oh look at what you have wrote, now let me show you how you are in error", you arent fooling anyone!!!!! anything ive posted that people can see for themselves, or they can fall for your propaganda, but a wise person would check it out, But you arent honest yourselves, because if you wee realy trying to be SCIENTISTS you would consider all the evidence!

Wakeup Sleeper #fundie freerepublic.com

Evidence is there you have to be HONEST enough!!!!

The Bible is history in itself there are thousands of finds that give credit to the bible and none to discredit it!

The bible was written not all at once it started a few thousand years ago in the old testament writings and then ended shortly after Christ, do you realy think these records were kept and things recorded for thousands of years and it ended just after Christ and then there was an out break of Christianity, This is nowhere in history of any belief to be done. And to this day it is known everywhere. Painstakingly writings and events kept highly accurate and they just end after Christ and then there is an outbreak of Christianity? Is there any document written like the text of the bible, you know there is not!

Also it is a known fact that people GENERALY lived in a more moral disciplined society Christian or not, and today it is more disregarded and what are the results we have higher divorce, abortion, abuse, ever increasing disease, disfunctional households to the nth degree, crime is higher than ever, disturbing lifestyles, violence as entertainment, sexual perversion as entertainment, men who have no integrity etc...etc...

Just as John said we know that antichrist comes even now there are many antichrists this is how we know we are in the last hour!

Wakeup Sleeper #fundie freerepublic.com

I have made a large list of scientific evidence to a global flood even before this list, that is understood by all of science, and you have not been able to refute any of it. nor can you. so dont even try because ive heard all the adhock junk before from others before you and heard the no evidence hypotheticals from evolutionists. Theres a big difference from real evidence and scientific logic as opposed hypothetical adhock stories, " o you creation scientists say this and you have evidence? well hears my NO EVIDENCE hypothetical story Ill tell you to explain it away. Hypotheticals with no evidence whatsoever from evolutionists.

fossils have usualy to be buried rapidly

mass graves of fossils are usualy what is found

coal that is millions of years old according to the evo hype/propaganda there shouldnt be any c 14 in it but guess what there is. should have decayed to nitrogen long ago. they have the roughly same percentages in them no matter what layer .26 pmc from eocine .21 from the cretaceous .27 from the pennsylvanian there is little variance whatsoever in the levels of c 14 in the geological record

Planation surfaces are abundant on all continents, planation surfaces are not being formed today. Erosion does not explain planantion so dont go there. global flooding explains this very well.

marine fossils in the mountains

clearly visible sediments on everest

whale fossils found high above sea levels

many ancient peoples wrote of a global flood in which eight people survived the odds of this being a coincodence is quite a stretch.

If you study population growths it is consistant to the population today from arond 4300-4500 years ago.

glaciers and glacier erosion

catastrophic plate tectonics
any lurkers out there as the evolutionists like to call you, well you can all look it up for yourselves, if you are honest with wanting to know the truth look at ALL of the evidence WILLINGLY!!!!


huge sandstones deposits and on and on and on and on!!!!

cookcounty #fundie freerepublic.com

["Some examples that religious folk have had trouble with over the years:

The earth moves.
Germs cause disease.
The earth is quite old."]

Oh, two can play this game: Some examples that irreligious folk have had trouble with over the years:

killing political opponents is wrong.
killing inconvenient friends is is wrong.
killing religious people is wrong.

The most famous atheists of all time, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung. and Pol Pot murdered more people than all the religious wars in history. Get out your calculator. Get out your history book. Add it up.

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus #fundie freerepublic.com

["..posts the creationist, using his computer, taking his medicine, driving his car. All the fruits of scientists who (thankfully) didn't share his petrified, stunted imagination and curiosity."]

You see, it's ignorant, bigoted, and frankly empty-headed talk like that that causes me to have no respect for evolutionists. You realise that the foundations of modern science were lain by "creationists", right? You realise that evolution has virtually no impact on like 90% of our science, even much of the biotechnology fields, eh? Further, there's a good argument to be made that the reason biological sciences lagged behind the physical sciences (being called "the retarded child of the sciences" by Michael Crichton back in the '70s) is because they were hobbled by an overreliance on evolution - mainly because bioscientists tended to force everything through the lens of evolution instead of simply letting the observable, empirical science speak for itself.

JediMasterPikachu #fundie freerepublic.com

Creationism

* Every Christian should be a Creationist.
* Creationism is at least as defensible as Macroevolutionism from a scientific standpoint.
* Macroevolution requires at least as much religion as Creationism.
* The primary reason Macroevolution is so popular is because it is the dominant viewpoint of the origin of life presented to the populace, and not because it is grounded in good science or common sense.
* Both Creationists and Macroevolutionists can be smart, competent scientists.
* Creationists should know about at least the basic tenets of Macroevolution. You should know your opponent. Ignorance is rarely becoming.
* Similarly, it would be good for Macroevolutionists to know about Creationism, and not receive all their information on Creationism secondhand from anti-Creationism-biased sources.
* Macroevolution is an inherently racist doctrine, even if individual Macroevolutionists do not wish to be racist. If there were races which evolved, one race would be the smartest, one the strongest, etc. There are NO races of humanity. There is one human race, and it is imperative that all Christians, even those who insist on being Macroevolutionists, agree with this. Christ died to save Christ's family, the family of Man.
* The origin of Man explains why Man needs a Savior. This is why Christians should be adamantly Creationist, and is also why atheists are just as adamantly anti-Creationist.

JediMasterPikachu #fundie freerepublic.com

Abortion/Euthanasia

* Effort should be made to remove all reasons for abortion.
* Abortions should be completely banned, except in very rare cases when both people are probable to die (and even then, it should be up to the family. It could be analogous to if you're in a car on autopilot and you can't change your course and a guy in a similar car is heading straight at you. However, you also have a rocket propelled grenade and can blow the other guy away to save your life. Otherwise, you both will probably die. You would still be killing another human in manslaughter, but it would be somewhat understandable. Again, very rare cases. Abortion for practically any other thing is clearly bad.
* Support adult (including umbilical cord) stem cell research; oppose embryonic stem cell research.
* Unless all embryos made in an IVF procedure are used, some children are murdered.
* Research should be made into birthing tanks. This could lead to the end of all abortions.
* A supposed "right to choose" most definitely does not supersede a human's right to life--once God has given that privilege to that human.
* As life is a gift from God--and God still is the owner of that life--euthanasia is also bad. Human creatures do not have the right to take any life that is not theirs--including "their" life (the life God gave them)--unless it is for reasons of self-defense.

The only human who had the right to take a life for non-self-defense reasons was Christ. God had the right to take God's own life as a sacrifice to pay for the lives all human creatures. Just as God had the power to rise again so that all human creatures can rise again.
* As for children with huge "defects:" God has a reason for everything which comes to pass--it isn't for human creatures to contest God's decisions why God chose for some people to have extreme autism, downs syndrome, physical deformities, etc. God chose to give those human creatures life, and their lives are equal in value to every other human creature.

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