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Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

Here's my evil, racist take on the matter. You can help some nations, but you cannot help others. Some people, whether it is by their limited intelligence or by the suffocating influence of their culture or religion, unable to build a productive society. A good example: in the early 1950s, South Korea and Uganda were equally poor. Since then, Uganda has received more aid from abroad than South Korea. But because (1) it is part of the Korean culture to want to work hard and build a functioning, orderly society and (2) the IQ of the average Korean is at least a good twenty-five points higher than the IQ of the average Ugandan, North Korea is much more developed than Uganda and South Korea is one of the most developed countries on earth.

As for the culture that is prevalent in Sub-Saharan Africa, I don't expect much. All of the economic growth in that part of the world is either because of sheer population explosion or because of foreign aid and remissions from migrants living in Europe. And what little economic prosperity and social order there is now will most likely be shattered within one or two decades, in another round of bloodshed. Look at Nigeria, for example, the largest African country by population. People have had to temper their enormously optimistic beliefs about Nigeria because there's the religious unrest that no one but hardcore racists like myself would have been able to predict. Two groups of people fight in an African country, and the result is more political unrest and therefore another cycle of violence - who would have thought?

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.


Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.

Socialist Union of Earth #fundie forum.nationstates.net

[OP of the "In defense of Pol Pot" thread]

It seems like in the modern communist movement Pol Pot has become taboo, someone who must not be supported. However, I disagree. He took great efforts to rebuild the Cambodian nation from scratch under a socialist framework. The only reason he depopulated the cities is becauae Capitalism had so thoroughly corrupted Cambodia that it was necessary to reforge Cambodia from the ground up. Once a socialist foundation had been established, he would begin to remodernize the country but under a socialist, egalitarian manner.

Furthermore, the article below makes some excellent points about how Pol Pot's rule helped the millions of ordinary working Cambodians.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

What is your opinion on this matter?

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

[In America, you find that this description is complete and utter humbug. We can live without Latinos killing Black People killing East Asians killing South Asians killing Arabs killing White people.]


A few things.

1. I mentioned cultures and beliefs, and I specifically and intentionally left out race. You are just trying to bait me here.
2. In the United States, the dominant culture is General American culture, derived from Anglo-Saxon culture with minor German influences although the political and demographic influence of Mexican and Central American culture is now growing.
3. In many parts of the United States, African-American subculture now differs enough from General American Culture to warrant riots between different communities. Their interests, values and beliefs have grown too far apart now, and they feel like they no longer owe allegiance to the United States or to the existing authorities.
4. The irony is that the United States has a history full of what I described here. First came the various Native American tribes, who had a habit of pushing each other around, expelling each other from prime hunting grounds and kicking each other to the ground every now and again. Then came the first Europeans, and generally they weren't too kind to the natives. Then came more Europeans, and before they could count to ten the Europeans were fighting each other. The Native Americans were pushed further and further west as European groups - who eventually united as one language and culture pushed out all other cultures and became dominant in the state - went for more and more prime hunting grounds and farming land.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
If they are fighting, I don't think it is because they inherently hate each other and want to kill each other, unless you are projecting yourself onto others.]


I doubt it. I think this applies to every place in the world at any time in history. There's an interesting field of study in archaeology that's based around figuring out how and when cultures supplanted and replaced each other based just on their pottery and their burials. This has been going on for literally tens of thousands of years, and it's typical human folly to think that it'll magically stop because "we're civilized now". It's not that people hate each other, it's that they're rivals, and eventually any culture that exists in an area will come to believe that the land is theirs. In the United States, you could say that, whenever you hear people in places like Ferguson speak of 'the community', you also hear them speak of the authorities and the rest of the United States as outsiders.

Finally, here's a nice song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

Now there's a word I don't get - 'xenophobia'. In all instances where people of vastly different cultures and religions have had to live close together, the ultimate result was bloodshed, with one group becoming dominant over the others through a combination of violence and demographic supplantment. On a small scale, think the 'Zones Urbaines Sensibles'. On a larger scale, think Africa. You can't have people with vastly different cultures and beliefs live together in peace for any extended amount of time. They'll fight, and I think it's only natural to not want that to happen to your nation.

Waideland #racist forum.nationstates.net

The funny thing is that Hispanics aren't much worse off than non-Hispanic whites. Considering that many of them show up on our doorstep with no English skills, often illiterate even in their own language, no math, no science, etc, they still have a lower unemployment, and higher median incomes than Blacks. Last time I looked at unemployment numbers, all non-Blacks were separated by about 1%, with Blacks falling several points behind everyone.

Because of this, I tend to agree Quintium. American Blacks are the permanent Democrat welfare class because of how their culture views this country. They've had more opportunities to pull themselves out of the cellar than any other non-white group, and yet every other ethnic group and subgroup surpasses them, including black immigrants. By the time Hispanics have increased their numbers to a point that they can completely overthrow whites in the voting booth, their wealth and education will have increased to the point that they are no longer dependent on the Democrat welfare state. If that happens, I doubt they will still be voting 70/30 for socialism, abortion, and gay rights based solely on their immigration views.

Of course, that's assuming the country doesn't fall apart before then. In the short-term, providing education, medical care, as well as TANF, SNAP, and housing assistance to the tens of millions of people flooding the country will fall mostly on the shrinking number of upper-middle class whites. The large influx of cheap labor will also continue to drive wage stagnation for the bottom half of the country, turning the current middle class into subsistence only households with little or no disposable income, which means even fewer middle class wallets to pay for it.

Wage stagnation is my biggest fear when it comes to the near and distant future. While inflation isn't obscenely high, it is there, and puts more and more pressure every year on those 20k-100k a year jobs that are hallmarks of the middle class. If 20 years from now, a loaf of bread is $5, and a gallon of gas is $10, someone making $20 an hour isn't going to be middle class anymore. Having millions of people show up willing to pour concrete, drive forklifts, and work sheet metal for minimum wage is going to make that even worse.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

[You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple. Being the poorest socio-economic group, this causes the rate to increase. The fact many in America have deluded themselves into thinking they have no prejudice, along with institutional racism does not help.]


And I would take this for a self-evident truth, were it not for the fact:

1. That rural whites do not display the same rates of crime that urban blacks display;
2. That, in fact, Asians in Asia - who, per capita, are significantly less wealthy than American blacks - do not display the same rates of crime;
3. That the nature of many of the crimes committed disproportionately by blacks is not economic but violent or sexual;
4. That crimes of that nature also occur extremely often in Africa itself, more so than in nearly any other part of the world including some parts of the world currently embroiled in civil wars.

Quintium #fundie forum.nationstates.net

That's what we all think. If we did not all think that our proposed policies would be beneficial to society, we would not hold them unless we were deliberately evil. As a conservative who used to be a progressive socialist, I can honestly say that I used to believe in what I believed because I thought it was the right way to go. I did not change my beliefs because my sense of morality changed - I changed them because I realised that progressive socialism would be paradise in the short term, but hell to pay in the long term. I'll give you some examples.

1. The welfare state. It looks fantastic when it's being introduced, and I used to be heavily in favour of expanding it, but:
1.1 When people start paying more than half of their income in taxes and mandatory premiums, a society's economic life stagnates and purchasing power drops, making most people poorer.
1.2 Unfortunately, a generous welfare state draws the wrong kind of immigration when that is allowed - the kind that costs money instead of adding to the welfare state.
1.3 The welfare state replaces the community with the state; you no longer look to your family or friends for help, you look to the state. This ends genuine solidarity and establishes entitlement.
1.4 In multinational states, where different ethnic or religious groups live, this sense of entitlement causes anger, hostility and rioting when some groups refuse to pay for other groups.

2. Migration. It looks fantastic in the short term, and in the past supporting it loudly really made me smug, but:
2.1 As I said, adding significantly different groups of people to one state - especially if that state is prominent in economic redistribution - leads to conflict rather than harmony.
2.2 Some forms of migration might be good for the economy, but - and if you are a socialist I don't see how you could disagree - that prosperity ends up mainly with large businesses, while ordinary people are driven out of work in places where migrants, legally or illegally, are able to work for less than the cost of living for the nationals of their host country. Not to mention, because you are not likely to be swayed by an argument related to the people already in the host country, that the migrants are often exploited and have to work under dangerous or degrading circumstances.
2.3 Migration, unfortunately, usually leads to supplantment rather than addition, because values that run contrary to each other can and will not co-exist. One must become dominant, and if migration is not kept under control then the values of the migrants will eventually become dominant. Just ask the Britons. Usually, migration occurs from places with much more corruption and much less wealth than the places these migrants end up in. That means: with every migrant you take in, your country moves one step further towards lethargy, corruption and the very infighting many migrants fled.

3. Sexual freedom. It sounds fantastic in the short term, but:
3.1 A nation needs a stable population. For that, it needs women to give birth to, on average, somewhere between 2.1 (wealthy first-world nations) and 3.3 children (third world nations, accounting for excess deaths and physical and mental handicaps preventing people from reproducing later) children. In order to do that, women - at least European women and women of European descent - generally need stability.
3.2 The sexual revolution that took place in the second half of the 1960s and the first half of the 1970s, when everything sexual became acceptable, resulted also in: (1) women marrying at a higher average age, one at which they simply cannot have enough children, (2) women going to work, meaning they have smaller families, (3) more and more broken families coming to exist.

4. Religious tolerance. It sounds fantastic in the short term, but:
4.1 You must take into account that not everyone will tolerate you, and that those who you tolerate but who do not tolerate you might one day gain the upper hand over you;
4.2 That tolerance, in itself, does not negate the fact that people with significantly different beliefs and values will not be able to live in peace indefinitely, and that one group is bound to eventually gain enough strength either in numbers or in political or economic influence to banish the other group, and that those who are tolerant are also generally the weaker side in those schisms.

Thalbania wrote:
What do you consider your own primary value to be? How can we evaluate the better ones?


The reason I became a conservative was not initially moral, although I have learned to appreciate the moral side of the debate. I became a conservative because I realised the things conservatives want - stability, security, tradition and national sovereignty - are requirements for a functioning society. At a basic level, progressives are beneficial to a nation in the short term and superficially but create deep, dangerous schisms and demographic developments that will eventually break any nation up completely. At the same basic level, conservatives seem harsh and stubborn, but they have realised - rightly so, if you ask me - that you can't have a prosperous, safe and therefore happy society that produces great science and great works of art if you set that same society up for absolute disaster in the long term.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

A nation is a group of people and a state is the political and diplomatic fiction that rules that nation. You should make a strong distinction between the two and acknowledge that the nation is what has caused Germany to be so productive. Germany is not prosperous and powerful because it has a good state - it has a good state and is prosperous and powerful because it has the right nation. The Germans are a naturally productive nation. If you were to switch the population of Germany with that of Somalia, you would find that Somalia would become prosperous and powerful and Germany would collapse in a matter of weeks. I think you should step away from the purely economic argument and look at it from a more cultural perspective. Some cultures build, other cultures destroy. Some cultures encourage productivity and security of property, other cultures encourage lethargy and theft. Mass immigration, especially from outside Europe, will only hurt Europe tremendously in the long run.

Libertarian California #racist forum.nationstates.net

*In response saying that racism is not natural and that it is engineered and institutionalized by the ruling classes*

Really? After over 50 years since the end of segregation, our schools, churches, and neighborhoods remain just as segregated as they've always been, even though people now have more of a choice to live amongst other people.

Seems like people enjoy being segregated.

Imperium Sidhicum #conspiracy forum.nationstates.net

Pity they didn't have the balls to go all the way through with that assignment.

The moment some aspect of history becomes untouchable and unquestionable, it becomes a dogma, and teaching dogmatic science is no different from religious indoctrination, since it teaches to unquestioningly accept certain ideological tenets, the doubting of which is heresy.

Holocaust is just this kind of dogma, perhaps the most heavily politicized historical event and one of the most heavily politicized issues along with race and sexuality. Any kind of unbiased, objective research in Holocaust is practically impossible, since the researcher is expected simply to reaffirm previous finds, or is immediately denounced as a denier and Nazi sympathizer if his finds happen to contradict the officially approved version, much like there's hardly an objective research possible on race or sexuality where no political pressure would be involved.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

Only the western world, which accounts for only a small percentage of the world's population, expects this brown, mediocre world race to come into existence. Only the western world is supposed to be multiracial, and in the rest of the world there is absolutely no interest in the matter. The Chinese want Chinese citizens, the Japanese want Japanese citizens, and in African countries different tribes generally don't even mix. In the very best case, you'd have a few countries in Western Europe along with Britain, the United States and Canada populated with mediocre brown people.

Even in the western world, the uncomfortable truth for these people is that we're not mixing. If you look at the different groups in society, you'll find that they usually keep to themselves. Especially the whites, who - knowingly or not - are the prime target of those who dream of a brown race, are very unlikely to have children outside of their race. As I've said on several occasions, the threat to traditionally white countries is not race-mixing, because non-white children born to one white parent and one non-white parent are only a tiny percentage of all non-white children born.

There are already countries full of mixed brown people. You can look at most of Central and South America to get the picture, or you could look to many Caribbean islands. And yet in those places, racism is alive and kicking. The lighter ones rule, even if they're not entirely white, and the darker ones serve. That last bit reminds me of India, where you can tell people's caste by their physical appearance.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

You're mentioning countries that are racially and culturally homogenous, though, and adhere to 'high values'. In Norway, culture dictates that murder is always wrong. In Japan, culture dictates that to kill is a crime against honour, which is why Japan forces murderers into a psychologically destructive prison regime and executes them at random times. If you want another example of a country where not the lack of firearms but racial and cultural homogeneity lead to low homicide rates, that's Iceland. There are around 90,000 privately-owned firearms for 325,000 people in Iceland, and yet their homicide rates are among the world's lowest (save for some microstates and Japan).

In the United States, you'll find that it's not that easy. It's not rednecks with legal guns doing most of the killing, so taking their guns away would be fairly useless. Even if you take all civilian firearms, you'll find that homicide rates won't change much, as they haven't changed that much in places where firearms have been banned already. The United States is culturally and racially diverse, and you'll see that different cultures have different approaches to murder. African-Americans, for example, tend to be a lot more casual about violence in general and about murder, something which is exacerbated by the gangster culture that is omnipresent in their communities. As a result, African-Americans are the perpetrators in a majority of all homicides in the United States despite accounting for much less than one-fifth of the total population.

Basically, the only way to drastically lower homicide rates would be to export the current American population and import Iceland's, or Japan's, or Norway's. It's the attitude that kills, not the gun.

EDIT: Oh, and if you want the exact opposite of Iceland, try Kenya. That country has some very tough gun laws, and also one of the world's highest homicide rates.

-The West Coast- #racist forum.nationstates.net

Of course. Label me something offensive because of my opinion that the Native Americans chose to become egregious alcoholics and chose to live poverty-stricken lives after their lawful defeat in a time of war. We gave them every chance we could to make them good, hard working Americans and they chose not to be. We led the horse to water, but the majority chose to wallow in their self-pity and their anguish. I won't be blamed for their decisions, because I had nothing to do with what they decided to live like.

I'm neither a Nazi or a Confederate, so don't treat me like one.

Vashta Nerada #homophobia #pratt forum.nationstates.net

No, I highly doubt you know how I think because we've never met or spoken on a personal level. I use common sense to understand the fact that homosexuality is wrong no matter how you look at it. Even if you look at it from a religious or atheist point of view, homosexuality is unnatural regardless of your stance. At least with heterosexuality, there is an outcome that results from opposite sex relationships that benefit society. There is no such benefit with homosexuality. So I don't an excuse to speak about homosexuality. No excuse is needed. If I see something is wrong, I'm going to speak up about it. The only defense you have is that there is a large, vocal minority people with a lot of money and thus a lot of political power, pushing the issue in society, and push people to accept something that most of the world believes is wrong.

Seaxeland #racist forum.nationstates.net

Oh yes, they're perfect immigrants. Except for the fact they have no respect for our culture, break our laws, refuse to learn our language, come over illegally, end up mules or pawns for the cartels. You know, all that stuff.

They don't ALL do that stuff, I know, but I have yet to meet one that hasn't done at least one of those things, intentionally or not. Besides, there's too many of them, they've already supplanted African Americans as the largest minority(assuming they're not the majority already), and if deporting a whole lot of them, especially the illegals, stops me from getting ads on TV and the Internet in Spanish, so be it.

Because quite frankly, I don't want to live in a neighborhood surrounded by Mexicans living off free government welfare and healthcare who won't even speak the God damn mother tongue of the country they immigrated to, most likely illegally. I also laugh when I see them proudly wave the Mexican flag. Oh yes, you're so proud of your country, that's why you fled it to live in the more prosperous and stable neighboring country right?

I'm not against Mexicans, or immigrants. I'm against overly fraudulent immigrants. This is America and the majority should be American, otherwise it wouldn't be America anymore, and unlike some people who seem to think it would somehow be a good thing, I don't want us to fly the way of the Roman Empire.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

*During a thread on a possible collapse of the thirld world followed by huge immigration waves to Europe*

In that case, I'll go off killing them, and I believe I won't be the only one by a long shot. The moment they've breached the gates of Europe in large numbers - not counting the millions already here - there is no point in continuing life anymore, since it will end in violence, and there is at least some superficial hope in attacking them and trying to drive them back using brute force. If it would even delay the inevitable by a few years, it would be well worth killing people. Unlike many Europeans, I'm not willing to sacrifice myself and my family to help total strangers.

And this is why I don't want mass immigration to Europe. It's just a matter of bringing what is to come forward and making the inevitable crash a lot more painful for everyone involved, and I don't want that. We stand a real chance of survival, as Europeans, but we're throwing it away by inviting people over who, in this case, will side with those who would seek to raid this entire continent the moment our defenses fall. My prediction factors this in, and even before the mass movement of people from Africa and the dry parts of the Middle East to Europe starts there will be rioting and unrest due to the large and concentrated non-western (especially West African, North African and East African) population already present.

Imperial City-States #racist forum.nationstates.net


No I am by no means a racist i'm a realist. People deserve only what they work for. It is very clear by the state of their countries that few Afrikan's have the drive to work for a greater country ( with the exception of a few leaders ). If something acts like an animal do you treat it like one ?

Free Tristania #fundie forum.nationstates.net

*During a discussion about refugees from poor countries*

Is it our problem ? This is why I think that bleeding hearts should pay an additional 10 percent taxes. Hell they should even be mandated (on top of that) to pay for the accommodation, healthcare and anything else "refugees" may need and they should also personally share their house with these "refugees" who just happen to have "lost" their passports so their actual origins cannot be validated. We get a lot of that here - unfortunately.

Irredento #fundie #homophobia forum.nationstates.net

Look, Christians do not hate gays, we in fact love them. When I say this, I truly mean it. Rather than trying to oppress them, what we are in fact doing is more akin to an intervention to help those whom we love stop living such an unhealthy and morally damaging lifestyle. They might not be hurting other people, but I do not think it is any coincidence that mental illness is many degrees worse among homosexuals, especially transgenders, than others, nor can I bring myself to ignore the fact that a disproportionate amount of them were molested as children, and it would be wilfully ignorant for me to pretend that homosexual promiscuity is not responsible for the spread and proliferation of AIDS and HIV around the world, along with many other lesser STDs due to the fact that homosexuals are so much more promiscuous and prone to unsafe sex than sexually healthy people. Finally, and most importantly of all, as Christians we must accept Bibical truth wherever possible, even if modern society disdains the truth, and so even if we end up living in a world in which gay "marriage" is legal in every part of every nation, all good Christians will continue to shout from the rooftops that this is wrong. The fact that all these social and health problems have arisen as a result of the acceptance of homosexuality as "normal" serves to show that, once again, the Word of God is indeed the best rulebook by which to run society and live one's life.

Sometimes, it is right to help someone even if they are only harming themselves. Just as I would want to see a heroin addict kick his habit, I also want to see homosexuals kick their habit. You are almost certainly the same on other issues that have not yet been pushed upon you since youth by the media. Take incest for example. I assume you are not a proponent of brothers and sisters legally having sex and even marrying simply because they are "consenting adults" who "aren't hurtning anyone"? Or what about bestiality? Before you tell me that "animals can't consent", consider the case of a man on Loveline who described how he "presents" and lets his dog enter him from behind. The very act is initiated by the dog and therefore is consensual. Is this sort of thing okay to you? Can you support this just because the dog and the man are having consensual sex and "aren't hurting anyone"? Please consider all of these things as well as all the other possible sexual perversions out there that could someday be argued are "normal" for the same reasons you currently believe homosexuality to be healthy and non-damaging. Sometimes, even if it might hurt their feelings, we must do all that is within our power to save a person. I care a lot more about the eternal soul of people caught up in the gay lifestyle than I do about their hurt feelings between now and their redemption.

Lebanon Christian Republic #fundie forum.nationstates.net

*in response to a post containing a very long list of links that contain evidence for evolution*

Wouldn't surprise me if half those sources are funded by George Soros, the Smithsonian and the Rockefeller Foundation among other globalist yolk.

I really suggest you look deeper into who funds them.

Irredento #fundie forum.nationstates.net

*Speaking of the Catholic Church*

What makes you think that? They've abandoned the traditional Latin Mass in the West and Greek Mass in the East (Divine Liturgy as you call it) along with many of the old Catholic dogmas that we shared with our Orthodox and Anglican brothers while attempting to be more like Protestants in an attempt to win them over. In these attempts at appeasement, we are losing what it means to be Catholic, what it once meant to be a member of the Church that was founded by Christ down through Peter and his successors.

The new Pope's endorsement of the welfare state and his tolerance of homosexuality and so on are just the beginning of a whole new sort of decline that will end in complete irrelevancy for the Church.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

*In a discussion about perceived racism against whites, another poster claims that Europeans will become minorities in their own countries in the space of 50 years*

And I hope it happens quickly. It's all a matter of action and reaction. When that happens, that'll be the day Europeans really wake up. We oppose mass immigration now, by and large, but eventually we'll just snap - not because we want to, and not out of hate, but because we will see the end of our cultures and ethnic groups if we don't snap. Of course, it'll start way before that. The riots we've seen in France, the United Kingdom and Sweden were just precursors of what will happen in the coming decades. It'll all get more violent, especially as our governments are now finding themselves painfully short of money for the welfare state, on which enormous numbers of non-western immigrants rely for their income. These 'incidents' will start becoming more and more common and it'll start becoming apparent that non-western immigrant groups usually have no respect for our rights and that our own governments are completely incapable of protecting us.

Lingang #fundie forum.nationstates.net

*This is a reply to a post saying: "The fact that creationism still exists as an entity, is a shame for the entire human race. Science is the future, but how can we get there when creationists drag us down. Let them teach all they want in their homes and at the pulpit, but not in our schools."*

What can we do about them? Nothing really. That same mentality was used by a certain group of people towards another less than a century ago, and before one of them thought to murder them, they thought, "The fact that Jews still exist as a race, is a shame for the human species. Nordics are the future, but how can we get there when Jews drag us down." Not suggesting that your implying that, but just referencing.

United Turks #fundie forum.nationstates.net

I don't see anything wrong here.Everyone shares a different opinion and nobody can force them to change their views and morals.But here I see ''intelligent'' and ''liberal'' people are verbally oppressing the minorty and that...is wrong.Why not respect our opinions?So what if one third of Americans don't believe in evolution?It's their ideal,view and opinion.

(note that the "oppression" in question is complaining that 1/3 of Americans believe in creationism)

Verdum #fundie forum.nationstates.net

My opinion? Honest and for true?


I have, in all my time, never liked LGBT rights and the whatnot. We have a family friend who is a lesbian, when I was 16 my mother brought one of her gay friends home and I was VERY afraid he was hitting on me, and throughout my life there has been one pervasive thought:
This. Is. Wrong.

My story:
My grandfather, his name will obviously not be disclosed, fought on the loosing sight of WWII with his brother who got the short end of the stick and was sent to the Eastern front. Now your probably wondering why the holy hell this matters, and I shall tell you. While there he was killed and, upon receiving the news, my great grandmother died. Now my grandfather, who was apparently very nice before that, was just enraged. Blame blame and more blame was pretty much the story, and he turned from a normal Wehrmacht soldier to a very angry Nazi.

When the war ended he stayed in Germany until 1973(West) when he moved to Indiana with his wife where my uncle was born then later my father, both of them pretty much given the same ideals as my grandfather. If your starting to see a chain reaction here good on you, because it's not going to be changing much. When I was very young I was in the Vernon town park and I saw two guys kissing and upon witnessing it my comment to my father on the topic was so OUTRAGEOUS I got sent to my grandparents house for a bit of education.


So, if you bothered reading the story, here is the outcome.

I don't like LGBT people that much, and I can stand talking to you on the internet because we are not face to face. It's wrong, I have been educated to believe it is wrong, and I will never accept it.

Verdum #fundie forum.nationstates.net

(LGBT thread. Emphasis mine)

And I was going to shut up, too.

My grandfather may have started it, but noone can say we didn't fuel the fire. Everything he said we ate up like a starving wolf eats a steak, and his whole "brotherhood" speech really got us going. I grew up with a family full of this, and apparently most of the children in my school when I was a boy did too.

I am intolerant, I will never deny it, but I am proud. I am proud of who I am, I was taught to be proud of my race and what we could be, and I was taught that it is just wrong for the same sex to perform sexual actions with the same gender. Maybe if someone had managed to make me believe it was acceptable way back when, but honestly at this point this is what I believe. I also would like to add that the whole "I can stand you because I cant see you" holds true for MANY people on here, most of these not even involving LGBT.

I tried going on that Pope Liri's thread of fabulous or whatever, but I was just awkwardly trying to fit in the entire time. I eventually made a joke I thought everyone would laugh about, but obviously it was just another chance for the mods to pin the tail on the neo Nazi like I know they enjoy.

Marquette of Pacific #fundie forum.nationstates.net

If the Devil makes people homosexual, he makes people heterosexual too.

I sure as fuck wasn't born heterosexual. If I was, then why is it that I get a boner from thinking about guys and not girls? If all people are naturally heterosexual, then why is it that I have no natural attraction to people of the opposite sex? Answer me that.

For the umpteenth time, you've just succumbed to sin and temptation. I have succumbed to temptation for men multiple times, and I really wish I could just go spend the rest of my life with another guy, but the fact is that I can't. I can't because my God says so, and I obey him.

Quintium #racist forum.nationstates.net

*In response to a poster saying that he had never met self-hating Europeans*

They won't directly say it. But there are tell-tale signs for the disease I call oikophobia.

- They dismiss, as in this thread, the achievements of Europeans as luck at best and ruthless thievery at worst;
- They take a position of dogmatic denial in any issue of race and intelligence, and will dogmatically deny rather than investigate any of it;
- They repeat the tropes that were taught in Western European state schools in the past fifty years ("Islam is pro-science", "Islam is tolerant", "all cultures are equal", "reality has a liberal bias")

I suppose what I'm trying to say here is that they are not critical, or curious, but dogmatic. They adhere to one position because they have been socialised or conditioned to adhere to that one position and dismiss all others. Those people exist on both sides, but with the state education of the past fifty years the dogmatic self-hater has become a lot more common.

Northfront #fundie forum.nationstates.net

Hey, I am actually on gay people's side here. I know some. Many of them are crazy like you, but then again others are very nice people.

The surest way to increase hatred against gays is to do what happens now in USA. Big Gay mafia pushing that propaganda and brainwashing normal people's children to think that being gay is normal, ok or even more cool than being normal hetero. It is not. Face the truth. Homosexualism is mental disorder. Has always been and always will be.

Northfront #homophobia forum.nationstates.net

Bestiality, homosexualism and incest between adult people all happen. It is still not something that normal people do or wishes that their kids would ever end up doing. You don't need any religion to see that those are all decadent things to do and not wanted in society.

Those lifestyles should not be promoted at all. And Russia did the right thing when they banned gay propaganda.

Nevanmaa #racist forum.nationstates.net

*Discussion on the late Nelson Mandela*

I can't say I'm sad at all. The man responsible for deaths of hundreds in dozens of terrorist attacks, including the Church Street bombings, deserves no pity from me. A man so violent that he refused to work towards co-existence peacefully, instead resorting to murdering innocent white men, women and children deserves nothing but a spit in the face. Not even Amnesty International recognized him as a political prisoner, and for a good reason.

Mandela and his ANC goons single-handedly destroyed South Africa, sending crime rates, inflation and white emigration through the roof, not to mention he's responsible for Afrikaner cultural holocaust and genocide and an institution of a de facto single party state. I don't see why anyone would consider his legacy even remotely good. Mandela was an evil, pathetic little man whose power fantasies led not only to deaths of hundreds of innocents, but an end to one of the most prosperous nations in Africa.

As Margaret Thatcher once said, "ANC is a terrorist organization and Mandela is a terrorist". It's ironic that history eventually showed how right she was.

God Kefka #fundie forum.nationstates.net

(The topic is someone running a bakery loses a lawsuit after refusing to make a wedding cake for a gay couple)

I expect the shop owners will want to take extra-judicial retaliation now... seeing as how unjust the law is...

Winning a lawsuit doesn't always mean winning the big game at the very end.

I bet the shop owners know some people who owe them small favors...

If I were making a movie this would be how it proceeds...

The gays walk up to the store owners in the middle of a business hour and in front of every single customer gloatingly demands their cake. Expecting the shop owners to be extremely pissed off and humiliated, they are shocked instead to find the shop owners smiling calmly.

The cake is brought before them but it turns out to be a cake of the very worst quality imaginable. The gays are annoyed and leave, threatening to launch yet another lawsuit over this. Shop owners say nothing but just keep on smiling calmly.

The gays talk to their lawyer again.

Here's the catch though... they never make it to launch the next lawsuit...

Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich #racist forum.nationstates.net

South Africa without whites will devolve into crime, anarchy and lawlessness just like every other African-run nation. Without whites to babysit them they'll suffer tremendously. The only solution is a return to Apartheid, although in the end a final solution must be found.

Blacks in South Africa have tremendously benefited from white rule, even Mandela wanted to keep the whites around in order to prevent economic devastation. The future demographic viability of the white race has been under assault for centuries.

Nevanmaa #racist forum.nationstates.net

*Just a little bit of explanation before you read the quote: the site where it was taken, Nationstates, is also a simulation game where users control nations and use flags as their game avatars. That said, the following quote was witnessed in the Out Of Character Forum of the website*

Once again, I've got a question for you mod folks. I don't want to get into trouble, so I'm gonna ask here.

As you probably know, I've used a blue-white-orange tricolor of apartheid-era South Africa as my flag for years, but last week I changed my flag to show my support for the Ukrainian pro-EU protests. As you probably also know, Mandela just died, and several nations have switched their flags to South African flags to "honor" him.

I personally regard Mandela to be nothing but a terrorist thug, and I was planning to protest the general "Mandela was a hero and a freedom fighter!!" consensus by reverting to my original, apartheid-era blue-white-orange flag.

Now, I would like to know if using the "apartheid" flag be considered to be trolling, considering the latest events? I assume the answer is no, since people are using South African flag right now to make a political statement, but I want to be sure.

Caldaria #fundie forum.nationstates.net

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

MasterAce #racist forum.nationstates.net

(Thread title is "Does racism even exist?" and yes, all these typos are his)

Is it just another mass media trick to get teh audiencez? :blink:
I haven't heard about racismz in anywhere other than a medias. I haven't heard about racismz at all, since I kicked out my TV out of room years ago. The only place I heard about racismz is here, on this site.

Why. Why. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?.......
...
Why.
.
.why?...Why. :shock:

1stoff : How can u be racist against ppl you don't see, hear, know, feel, communicate to directly? Dass messtap. :?
2ndoff: Is racismz a device to attract attention to yourself?
3rdoff: Do psychologists exist here to tell us if victim complex (real dizeasy) is the reason for all this shouting of "racismz"?

My life was very fine and racistless, antil I stumpled apon dis sait, and everyone is yapping about racismz dis, racismz dat. Were iz all da racismz and what even IZ EET!!??

Do u have to be racist to understand what racism is, and recognize it in otherz? How do I become one?
Do u have to have victim complex to lie about being victim of it?

LAstoff: How many times have YOU used the "racist!" excuse to get out of an argument you were loosing with ego unbruiseted?

Yehuddah #fundie forum.nationstates.net

Listen well, you inferior being:
This is, OUR LAND. You see Hebron, look at it, ALL OURS. You see your al aksa, we will destroy it and will make the Temple.
You see Bethlehem, ours.
The fucking USSR gave you tons of weapons, yet you lost to a tiny unorginized army, such a shame.

Now listen well you Islamonazi, you have luck I'm not in favour of slaughtering you, apparently you Arabs obviously deserve it.

Independent Wessex #fundie forum.nationstates.net

(Thread title: Atheism: a sign of psychopathy?)

Or is it willful rejection of reality?

The Facts are Atheists are more cold hearted and evil than theists especially christians:
And more likely to commit mass murders, such as shooting up schools.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/

I personally believe their is a link between Atheism and mentally illness, through it would be a stretch to say psychopathy as a large percentage of Atheists are capable of acting like normal people. Which Psychopaths can't do. How ever Atheists are more likely to have a skewed moral compass making them more likely to shoot up schools etc...

United States of White America #fundie forum.nationstates.net

Was atheism the cause of communism, or was it a means to an end? Either way atheists have a lot to answer for. Communism has resulted in the deaths of 100 million people. The policies of Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin come as the result of godlessness. If only they had some moral code in their lives, then maybe this would not have happened.

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