So, the claims.
It's infuriating. As though pretending we don't know the difference between the sexes will magically make it so women and girls are no longer exploited for being women and girls.
Aaand we have a strawman!
One, we are not pretending. Disagreement is not pretense, even disagreement on things you consider obvious and fundamental. But of course, you cannot even imagine someone sincerely having non-GC views, not out of ignorance, but genuine conviction. As always, you refuse reality if it clashes with your GC ideology’s precepts.
Two, we know the differences between the sexes perfectly well. That’s why we medically transition in the first place, hun!
Three, acknowledging that gender identity exists and that it doesn’t have to correspond to biological sex won’t end the exploitation of women and girls for being themselves, or for their biological traits.
But it’s not supposed to!
It’s not meant as some magical solution to gendered (sorry, sexed) oppression! And we don’t claim it is!
They’re different spheres. Sure, there’s some overlap, but in this case you’re basically comparing apples and oranges, or making associations where there aren’t supposed to be any.
- when we read about atrocities that happen to women in developing countries because they are women and feel a sadness and outrage that you can only feel as another woman and we say something like "sex is not a choice. Look what is happening to these women because of their sex. Our sex has been used against us for centuries across every society and it is horrible gaslighting to pretend it doesn't exist, it's a choice, or it can be changed."
Gendered oppression indeed originates from biological sex differences.
Yes, I said it — as a trans woman from the supposed “trans cult”. Does that surprise you?
Average differences in strength, differences in gestation, and more… they led to gendered oppression a very long time ago, in much more primitive times when biology was crucial in ways that it no longer is. When physical strength meant survival, when gendered division of labor had much to do with only one sex being pregnant and needing to care for children in ways the other couldn’t.
That is not a controversial view among us.
But gendered oppression didn’t end there. It evolved.
When a man leers at you and harasses you, is that because he sees your chromosomes with his X-ray vision? Smells that you’re ovulating?
Or is it because he’s been raised in a patriarchal system with all the entitlement and lack of empathy that implies? Because he doesn’t want to control his urges of attraction, and has no respect for fellow human beings? Because his surroundings did not teach him that respect, and tolerated the lack of it?
Many trans women pass, eventually. Yes, they do.
Only a GC ideologue would think they don’t get treated as women by strange, scary men outside.
Man sees boobs, feminine appearance? Man sees a target, and gets inappropriate.
Many trans men pass, too.
And only a GC ideologue high on her own fumes would fail to recognize that seeing a burly bearded dude would dissuade many of those same scary men. Those men don’t see the vulva underneath his clothes; they see a burly, bearded dude they’re not attracted to and who might fight back. Hence, they probably won’t get handsy with him, and will likely ignore him.
On the street, in the office, in a club… we humans don’t see people’s genitals, or chromosomes, or childbearing capability. We see their gendered attributes and presentation.
And we treat them accordingly. According to ways we were taught, with all the stereotypes or lack thereof we imbibed.
Much of gendered oppression is nowadays divorced from simple biology (AKA sex). Even if it has roots in biology, its actual implementation tends to have much more to do with… gender.
That doesn’t mean that sex isn’t also still a vector of oppression! After all, discrimination based on pregnancy very much exists.
But… no trans person I’ve seen denies that. We merely deny your simplifications, banalizations and strawmaning of our actual positions.
Reality is complex. The intersection of sex and gender is tangled and varied. Biology is not the be-all-end-all you seem to think it is.
And even so… biology can change to an extent.
I’m on HRT. My breasts are growing. My appearance is gradually becoming more feminized. That is very real.
You think strange, creepy men won’t notice me eventually?
A trans woman who used to be on this very site bore sad witness to what happened when her breasts underwent a growth spurt because of hormones.
Guess what? Creepy men started to disgustingly hit on her and get handsy, far more often than they used to.
Just because she had bigger breasts, and they noticed.
To them, she’s just another woman, and thus a target. Just like you and your Ovarite ‘sisters’.
Now tell me again how this is “a sadness and outrage that you can only feel as another woman”. Of course, another cisgender non-trans biological woman.
And those women and girls in developing countries who experience atrocities, who suffer sexual violence… you think we don’t feel for them?
You seriously think that we believe they can escape gendered oppression by… just stating that they’re trans men? Identifying differently?
Only a gender-critical zealot stuck deep in her echo-chamber could think that about us.
The view you ascribe to us is a strawman, an artifact of the echo chamber you inhabit and its incestuous speculation detached from the real world. You decided that this is what we believe, so it must be true. Even if we tell you otherwise. But… you don’t really listen. Instead, you assume, cherrypick… and misrepresent based on your own assumptions and cherry-pickings.
We keep telling you, and you could actually listen. No, not to your shock & mock target of the day whose quote someone posted to Ovarit; but rather to us, people who are not caricatures, in the wild, where we speak our minds in a normal context.
But no, we’re all just liars, right? Our lives bear no resemblance to your own whatsoever. It cannot be. Gender-critical precepts don’t allow it!
What we say, it’s all lies.
Our lived experiences, nothing but lies.
Our having been raped, it never happened.
We’re just making it up for attention or pity or oppression points…
Just like all those men say about women when they come out with the horrors that happened to them.
Our having been harassed and demeaned due to being seen as women, all lies — and even if it wasn’t, we must have enjoyed it because we’re sluts perverts.
That’s what your kind keeps saying about us, right? We LOVE the attention, the catcalls, the ogling and touches and more. We’re horny all the time. You even have an out-of-context quote by some trans woman on the internet to prove it, look!
Just like those creepy men tell you that you’re lying and actually really enjoyed it when they had their way with you.
And if we ARE being harassed, well, then it’s just our own damn fault, right?
We chose to be “gender-special”, when we could have just been proper men — and therefore off the radar. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
Just like those men tell you that if you just dressed more modestly, everything would have been fine.
And even if it’s not our fault, why should you care? We are not you. You have your own problems to take care of.
Just like so many men don’t care when it happens to you. Because you’re not them. They have their own problems to bother with.
But when we tell you what it’s like to be us, when we ask to be understood and not just brushed away… you refuse to take us seriously.
Instead, you basically put your fingers into your ears, say “LA LA LA, WE CAN’T HEAR YOU, LIAR”, and just keep on repeating your echo-chamber’s ideas on what we must be like, writing off any dissonance as us lying and being malicious or deluded.
Just like so many men refuse to listen to you, and project their own stereotypes and ideas on what you must be like onto you.
You tell them, but they ignore you.
We lie, because men lie. That’s just who they are. Just ask your very own Spencer_shayy, or mathlover, or any number of your ‘sisters’.
Just like those very confident bros go on about women being manipulative by nature. “Women lie”, they say; for gain, for money, for revenge… because that’s their nature.
But no, you know what we’re really like. You know our true nature, our motives, the true source of our desires. You know what insatiable urges drive us, urges that need to be restrained for the greater good of society and even ourselves. You know what would be best for us, and that we can’t be trusted with our own well-being. Leaving that to us would be… dangerous.
Just like all those patriarchs across those centuries you mentioned knew what your kind were ‘really’ like. They knew the true nature of woman, your motives, desires. Your ‘insatiable urges’ that needed a firm male hand and a cool male intellect to restrain them, for the greater good of society and yourselves. They knew what was best for you, and how you couldn’t be trusted with your own well-being. Those men thought that leaving that to you would be… dangerous.
Do you realize what you’ve become, GCs?
Can you ever stop and think for a moment? Actually reflect on yourselves?
Or will you, if one of you ever actually reads what I said here, just conclude the inevitable?
Which is that this here is just yet another ‘AGP TIM’ whining, attention-whoring, and — of course — reversing victim and offender, inverting oppressed and oppressor.
That’s what you’re thinking, isn’t it? That what you saw here was just more noise, more nonsense from a privileged white male pornsick asshole who has never had to deal with real hardship, and is appropriating victimhood in order to feel… special. Or to use it as a battering ram in order to enter your spaces.
All of that in order to spite you. Oppress you. Mock your pain and suffering. Rape you.
All of us, doing that and just that, being like that and only like that, for those reasons and no other.
That’s the world according to you gender-criticals, isn’t it? As you keep saying to us, over and over again.
Well then… forget it. You know best. Always and without exception.
You are gender-critical — the sole and final guardian of the truth, the only sane woman left, the eternal victim who never can do harm or wrong. You have cracked how the world works, you know my mind and the mind of every trans person on this planet better than we know ourselves.
Forgive me for ever having thought otherwise.
I will wheesht. It is not my place to question you… wise sister.