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Biker #fundie debatingchristianity.com

From whence I started was a heathen. Which has nothing to do with with the authority of the Bible. It (the Bible) was the authority before I ever whenced! Or before you whenced. Your laundry list of things to appeal to cannot authenticate in this instance. How would a whencer authenticate the authentic with a non authentic. Or if a whencer has the authoritative document, with what would one authorize the authority with, other than the most authoritative. A whencer wouldn't whence with a lesser authority, to authorize the more authoritative! Hence a whencer whences with the most whenceable. In this whenceality, the Bible.
And oh by the way, your belief, "God doesn't exist", is self defeating!

redstang281 #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Science shows that all humanity descended from one woman which they refer to as Mitochondrion Eve. The Bible says Eve is the mother of all living.

DNA is much more complex then anything that could ever be written in a computer program yet we are supposed to believe no one designed it. The Bible says God created all life.

The entire earth is built up of layers of rocks and other formations that show signs of a flood in addition to all the fossil (fossils are formed from rapid burial). The Bible says there was a great flood across the entire world.

chachynga #fundie debatingchristianity.com

If America did follow the Laws of God like we did when the country was first founded, they would execute fags just like they executed the first beastality case that came to trial, both animals and the boy doing this crime were put to death as Christians are mandated to carry out.

Fags should not be tortured, just executed.

No provision in Gods Just Kingdom here on earth for torture or being unfair.

PetriFB #fundie debatingchristianity.com

I was in the prayer and God told me to read the book The Da Vinci Code authored by Dan Brown and watch the film The Da Vinci Code, directed by Ron Howard. When I read the book and watched the film I realise how Dan Brown's book is not only a novel, but also a messenger of end days deception. The results of my study I present in this writing.

Twobitsmedia #fundie debatingchristianity.com

FSM is one of the most flawed propositions circuclating, probably first and foremost beacause the author, in his apparent desire to make some money off his idea, (in December 2005, Bobby Henderson received a reported USD $80,000 advance from Villard to pen The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) admitted it was a spoof.
http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0812976568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180375352&sr=8-1

I cannot think of one sincere Christian person who claims that God is real and then at the same time says "Oh, BTW, my belief is a spoof."

AIAyeti #fundie #homophobia debatingchristianity.com

You can spin yopur obvious disdain for Christians any way you want and Pro-homosexualists can attempt to paint a rosie picture of licentious and promiscuous people who engage in same-sex sex but empiricism stands against labeling homosexuality as a normal sexual function. Your biology list never once diosproved WHAT the sexual act IS for! Even your Darwin nods in that direction. Homosexuality in nature is still an unnatural sex act. Do the math!

unicorn #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Would clones have souls? Maybe that's why they die so quickly...because God does not endow them with souls...they are copies of the biological aspect of a being--souls cannot be replicated. Souls are what spark life/animate the biological being.

fire_of_jesus #fundie debatingchristianity.com

...if evolution is true then how did all these different religions flourish? how did they find noahs ark on Mt. Arack? and the ark was the exsact leangths as it was in the bible and made out of the same wood, how strange that is if God never even existed, wow i wonder how Moses could have predicted that a boat with all those measerments could have came to rest on Mt. Arack...if evolution is true then why did they find Jesus's robes in his tomb? If u know about these things as i do then u would know that there is know way that all thses things could have happen if God doesnt exist. dang u sure hit ur head on that one didnt u? how do u guys come up with these nonsence topics that even a 15 year old Christian can prove to be wrong? i hope in the future maybe u numb skulls can come up with a more debatable topic. well see ya all later u evoltutionist peeps.

AIAyeti #fundie #wingnut debatingchristianity.com

I mean Neo-Liberal when I use the word Liberal. I think you know that. I cannot walk with you politically until the Godless anti-Christians who promote sexual perversion are gone as a political platform issue of the Democrats. I cannot look at Jesus and knowingly support Democrats.

You are caught up in hating George Bush. I'd be a Democrat in a heart beat if they weren't bald-faced liars. And, there is no proof of Bush lying. Being wrong is not complicity. Unfortunately, no politician can ever admit they are wrong or they are doomed. But I have confidence that Bush repents. He just shouldn't cast pearls before Liberal you know whats.

topaz #racist debatingchristianity.com

I thought it is the educated who believe in God while the less educated look at science to disprove God. Einstein was a great scientist and he was a christian. How about that ? Is he ‘uneducated’? Einstein believed in Jesus Christ & theGod of the bible and his scientific success was based on bible facts. Einstein took those facts and used science to prove it, changing our lives permanently for the better.

[after being challenged]
By calling me a liar re einstein, you are revealling yourselves. Google him and find out about his writings on christian theology. Maybe he can be found on the web. I don’t know.

[the next post]
My apologies people. It is another jew, isaac newton NOT einstein. Sorry. LOL.

[after finding out that Newton was Christian]
Fine, so he’s not a jew but I thought he was .. his name — anyway, it was not intended as a lie. You know it. So stop being so quarrelsome. Other than the post I recd about newton and the bible code, I really have no interest in him. I know from the post that was sent to me, that newton was a christian and I may be wrong, but it was written as if he was a jew— anyway — I’m not going to argue this.

[I was referring to the errors in fact that you made with regard to Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton and did not correct immediately when the errors were pointed out. These errors were not ones what any reasonably educated person would have made.]
heck — I don’t ‘study’ einstein or newton or some other jews. I confuse their names — big deal. I know most famous scientists are jews, anyway.

BigChrisfilm #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Did you know that the moon is getting farther away from the earth every year? Well, about 1.5 million years ago, the earth would have been so close to the moon, that all the dinosaurs would have been mooned to death. The Moon killed the dinosaurs!!!!! (BTW, this proves the earth is not millions of years old.)

Suzanne #fundie debatingchristianity.com

for speaking what God almighty has had written for us all to LEARN and LIVE BY. I AM 66 years old and YOU may think I know nothing . well I know alot more then you give me creadit for. WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS this world is going to be in a war again that is worse then anything any of you or i have ever seen. IRAN S not going to BOW TO ANYONE AND NEITHER will all the ISLAMIC TERRORIST GIVE up their QUEST TO INIHILATE THE JEWS. and DO JUST WHAT THEY HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO DO is WIPE THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. well ISRAEL will never allow that and BELIEVE THIS OR NOT NEITHER WILL GOD ALMIGHTY LET THE JEWISH NATION OF ISRAEL WHOM ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM. SO wake up people YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO IGNORE GOD AND HIS WORD FOREVER NO it will not happen FOR GOD HAS SEASONS and we are coming upon a season of destruction those living now have never seen. BUT NONE SEE IT BUT THOSE who KNOW WHAT THE WORD HAS SAID ND HAD WRITTEN. NOTHING LIKE HAVING YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND and not see what is coming.

IF ANY HAVE SEEN the MAD MAX movies this is what we are going to see I PRAY TO GOD I am outa here before that comes because come it will.

adamson #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Hello!

My name is Adam. I was just surfing the web and came across this forum and decided to make a quick register and write a topic, as i saw there was quite a few god-deniers here, and I wanted to ask them (you) why you are like this.

The only reasons I myself can come up with would be that you are such a self-centred person that you do not want God to "decide" what you are allowed to do, and not to do. Maybe you are a gambler, go to brothels, a killer or a thief. I hope of course most of you are not, but just as a logical assumption, i must assume you are something like that, or similar to any of it, as i see no other reason.

I am a proud American. And my personal opinion is that god-deniers should not be considered american citizens as this country was founded upon the glory of God. And my country is currently, and have been during the last century the guardian of peace for the world. We protected the world from communism, terrorism, facism and everything that is evil. Even when people insult us, we aid them and give them help. We give poor countrys billions of dollars just because we are know it is good and yet, they come and insult us, and then ask for more. How can you, especially as american, deny god and insult your nation in that manner? It makes no sense to me.

Best Regards
Adam

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Female abortionists are ok with me if that's all they are medically skilled at or good for. It's just those masculine male medical men that shouldn't have any more abortion rights than the rest of US muscular masculine male men merit.

[Should gynecologists and obstetricians be female-only, or just abortionists?]

No, just male abortionists who kill male fetuses without religious consent.
They are supposed to be doctors, not anti-Christian baby butchers.

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

The only "lying demogogues" in this legal case are the UC admissions officers who want to impose neo-Darwinist race theories upon certain Christian students who wish to pursue a carreer in such scientific disciplines as physics, chemistry, biology and medicine.

Biker #fundie debatingchristianity.com

[Why is belief necessary? Why couldn't God just forgive?]
Have you ever loved a woman and she didn't return it, in fact was just not responding in kind with love? The harder you loved her, the harder she didn't love you? Thats why!

[God the psychopathic stalker!]

SeekingTheTruth #fundie debatingchristianity.com

I can only get in one prophecy right now, maybe another later today, though.

The Torah says that there is only one animal that has split hooves and doesn't chew it's cud, (the pig). Deuteronomy 14:8.

If the Torah is not the word of G-d but was written by man, how can such a man know something like that. In the whole world and from all the animals that werent even discovered by then a "man" said "there is no other animal then a pig that has split hooves and does not chew it's cud". Only a being that's ALL-KNOWING can know something like that and put it in the Torah.

By the way, people look for an animal like this, people in the Jewish community who are trying to disprove the Torah. They never found nothing yet and they never will.

But, if they do, thats the END to Judaism.

If a man wrote the Torah then why would he make a statement like this. If it would be found not true, that would be the end the religion.

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Believe it or not, Darwin, the original Darwinists and neo-Darwinist theorists today do use supernatural powers inherent in the human mind and in human intelligence to imagine, concoct theories about, and believe in, human evolution in and out of ancient Africa.

Biker #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Revelation 20:11-15. You can read about the books in the inerrant word of God! Everything in your life is being recorded in the "books".
Hell is in the center of the earth. I have seen hell in a dream, or I was taken (my spirit) by angels to view it, I'm not sure which! I didn't go into hell proper, but was in the foyer or entrance way. I could hear hell itself and smell it. It is real, I have been to the entrance and seen a very disturbing scene, that shook me to the very core of my being.
I can be of help by telling you how you can escape hell by receiving God's free gift of eternal life through Jesus the Christ.

Biker

adlemi #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Only the Lord God Jesus Christ himself can give us the accurate description of heaven but the bible cannot give it to us accurately. The Lord said that the New heaven will be the Eden of Paradise which will come down from the Kingdom of God and it will be a planet, a big planet for the saved ones. Also,another big planet of hell will be formed by all exploded heavenly bodies in the whole universe including our earth, this will be of fire and boiling water for the unsaved.

tonytony #fundie debatingchristianity.com

[Tony has lost the ability to form English sentences and to refer to himself in the first person]
[Re: Why are there 33,839 different Christian denominations?]
[...]
Again Colossians 2:8 and 2 Peter 1:20-21 is for believers to understand this only.
If you disagreeing with the book you disagreeing with God. Romans 3:3-4.
It's never about disagreeing with man unless your a self righteous moralist.
[...]
Tony didn't say this. John 8:47 says this.
Tony not saying if you disagreeing with Tony your an unbeliever.
Tony is saying that a believer can't disagree with another believer on any bible verse and speak by the Holy Spirit or the Word of God too.
Again 1 Corinthians 14:33 will justify this statement made.
[...]
Tony is saying that if your disagreeing with the Holy Spirit or the Word of God expressed through Tony with any bible verse then your not a believer if you continue enough this way.
John 8:47 will justify my statement made.
Titus 3:10 will justify my statement made.
[...]
Their just self righteous moralist.
Sure God's people are not the wittiest with the entire book all the time.
That's where Titus 3:10 comes in at.
They flunk the Titus 3:10 test then their not a believer.
[...]
People with other labels are the self righteous moralist.
Self righteous moralist are not Christians.
Again the Holy Spirit or the Word of God is what you have to receive of on this in
Matthew 5:20 or your not one of his.
Of course a confessing unbeliever knows what they are.

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

You're comingling pure science with neo-Darwinst racism here since there is no scientific evidence that African people ever evolved from non-human African ape ancestors in accordance with Darwin's racist theories of African people descending from anthropoid apes.

AIAyeti #fundie debatingchristianity.com

I weigh the worth of atheism and Christianty in terms of history. Colleges and Hospitals speak for Christianty as does the freedoms delievered by Chrsitians in the Western world. John Locke comes to mind.

Russia, China, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, and many other atheist communist countries speak for atheism's children. Yet, our most "enlightened atheists" ply their snake-oil at Christian founded Universities.

Being1 #fundie debatingchristianity.com

I have had the experience of what would be considered as a miraculous healing on my own body - the rapid healing of injured flesh - as a result of fasting and meditation. I can remember feeling and knowing at the time, that there was the power within me to recreate, or heal, the physical form in any way at all, and therefore the idea of resurrection is completely feasible to me.

chrisfol #fundie debatingchristianity.com

TOO OFTEN PEOPLE SAY THEY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE DEAD. THE LATE JAMES A. PIKE, A PROMINENT EPISCOPALIAN BISHOP, STATED HE TALKED TO HIS DEAD SON, JIM. ACCORDING TO PIKE, HIS SON TOLD HIM: "I HAVE MASSES OF PEOPLE AROUND ME, AND HAND LIFTING ME UP, AS IT WERE...I WAS SO UNHAPPY UNTIL I COULD MAKE YOU KNOW."
SUCH EXPERIENCES ARE WAY TO COMMON, THEREFORE, IT IS APPARENT THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOMEONE FROM THE SPIRIT WORLD. THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS WHEN IT STATES: "AS FOR THE DEAD, THEY ARE CONSCIOUS OF NOTHING AT ALL." (ECCLESIASTES9:5) SO IF IT IS NOT THE DEAD WHO ARE SPEAKING FROM THE SPIRIT WORLD, WHO ARE SPEAKING. WHO ARE MAKE-BELIEVING TO BE THESE DEAD PERSONS?
WICKED SPIRITS ARE, OF COURSE. THESE SPIRITS, OR DEMONS, ARE THOSE ANGELS WHO BECAME UNITED WITH SATAN IN REBELLION AGAINST THE ALMIGHTY GOD. BUT WHY DO THEY PRETEND TO BE PERSONS WHO HAVE DIED? THE IDEA IS TO ADVANCE THE SUGGESTION THAT THE DEAD ARE STILL LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS TALKING TO THE DEAD OR (WICKED SPIRITS) HAVE ALSO LED MANY TO BELIEVE THE LIE THAT DEATH IS ONLY TRANSFERRING TO SOME OTHER LIFE. TO SPREAD THIS LIE, WICKED SPIRITS USE SPIRIT MEDIUMS, FORTUNE-TELLERS AND SORCERERS WITH SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE THAT ONLY SEEMS TO COME FORM PERSONS WHO HAVE DIED.

jcrawford #racist debatingchristianity.com

Abortions performed by white male abortionists on the wives of black men in New York State without their knowledge and written consent are racist and genocidal, and should be outlawed. Attorney General Spitzer, Senator Clinton and NYC Mike Bloomberg all support the right of white men to perform abortions on the wives and daughters of married black men without their knowledge, informed consent and written permission. Spitzer, Clinton and Bloomberg are all white racists.

Questions for discussion and debate:

Should black men, particularly Black Muslims and Christians, vote for white racists like the above, or should they demand financial reparations from such white racists, abortionists and their supporters for killing the unborn fetuses of black marriages during the past 30 years in New York State?

axeplayer #fundie debatingchristianity.com

There is a lot of evidence supporting the idea that the end times and the rapture are very near to happening. for example, the United Nations fulfill the prophesy that very near to the end times, the world will be united as one, and there will be peace on the earth(even though we're a long way from peace). also, barcodes, credit cards etc. are an early warning to the mark of the beast being used to pay for all of our expenses. In college station, Texas, there are stores where you can pay for your groceries, appliances, etc., with your thumbprint. So what does everyone else think? Are the end times and Judgement Day near?

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

...although Lubenow does make one reference to some recently observed volcanic lava forming igneous rock which was subsequently forwarded for dating tests which discovered the rocks to be several hundred thousand and even a million years old.

Talk about scientifically blasting holes in evolutionist theories and concepts of time substantiated only by unverifiable theories of nuclear decay over vast periods of imaginary time.

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Black Muslims, Christians and Jews have the right to religous abortions if they so choose, just like they have the right to be married according to their religious traditions and vows. No Black Muslim, Christian or Jewish woman should be forced to go to a secular abortion clinic where only white male abortionists are employed. If women have the unconditional choice to get medical abortions, then Black Muslim, Christian and Jewish men have the right to be present in the hospital or medical clinic where their wives are being operated on by white male abortionists. They also have the right to demand a proper Islamic, Christian or Jewish burial for their wives aborted fetus along with clergy representation at the funeral proceedings.

If state or private health plans won't pay for religious abortions, why should Black Muslims, Christians and Jews pay taxes to support secular abortions performed only by white male supremacists who favor the idea of homosexual marriages?

AIAyeti #fundie debatingchristianity.com

the very goal of the atheist and evolutionist is good ol' fashion genocide of the religious. And very probably (doing the numbers) more people have been murdered by atheism than any other faith-based belief system in history. There probably (mathematically) wasn't even millions and millions and millions of humans outside of Noahs ark.

SpikedLillac #fundie debatingchristianity.com

Where does it say that God commanded them to stone her? The religious leaders commanded it not God. I have not read anywhere in the bible that if a person sins they must be stoned. And "cutting off one's hand if they steal" just shows that in the last case scenerio should eliminate what ever caused that person to steal which would be the hand. It was not meant as a punishment but as a symbol showing how important it is not to sin.

jcrawford #fundie debatingchristianity.com

The only "lying demogogues" in this legal case are the UC admissions officers who want to impose neo-Darwinist race theories upon certain Christian students who wish to pursue a carreer in such scientific disciplines as physics, chemistry, biology and medicine.

kron #fundie debatingchristianity.com

[On the animals getting back home after the flood]

Also after the flood and especially during the subsequent ice age there were many natural land bridges available so there would not neccessarily have been much swimming involved, and of course different animals have in the past been rafted from one location to another on mats of floating vegetation, of which there would have been an abundance after the flood.

YEC #fundie debatingchristianity.com

So instead I should listen to similar men who think they have it all figured out because of a particular interpretation of the geological column????

<p>Or a story of how some silica-rich clay turned into little greasy bits...then began to eat each other????

<p>Does anyone have a hotline to the past so we can watch evolution? Perhaps a time machine? (just don't set it past 6,000 years)

Madeline #fundie debatingchristianity.com

[Question for debate: What is absolute truth?]
Want evidence of the truth of the bible? Well lets look at what evidence is!
[...]
I can show you "evidence" of how God created the earth through the land and sea and all the life forms that are within.

But still, that person may CHOOSE to deny the evidence.

Here's a thought;
Perhaps suggest this little experiment.

Exhale all the air from your lungs, and do NOT take a breath for one minute.

Without oxygen, the lungs can not function.
If the lungs no longer function, the heart will not be able to pump blood to sustain life.

Where does the oxygen that we need to live come from ?

There's some "evidence"

But still, that person may CHOOSE to deny the evidence.

Basically, through my own personal observations and life experiences, you can NOT prove anything to anybody if they're not able to be open minded enough to consider any other conclusion than their own.
[Fundie mirror award material]

Bro Dave #fundie debatingchristianity.com

[Explaining why God, who despite designing humans and chimps 95% genetically identical, gave chimps <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1451085.htm" target="_blank">a gene resistent to Alzheimer's disease</a> but didn't give those same genes to humans.]

Normal planets evolve to the point where a final modification of the DNA creates the first true humans. They are allowed to procreate, and when they have sufficient numbers, a final DNA “boost” is given which protects against most diseases and other maladies. Unfortunately, our little planet had a rebellion problem, and the “boost” was incomplete, leaving us with many problems. This is being addressed, but from a different direction, and will take time to resolve.