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Kingdamian1 #fundie

Essay:Lol ATHEISTS are basically FLAT earthers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“We are all atheists about most of the earth shapes that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one shape further.”
— Probably not Richard Dawkins

Is a movement that aims to highlight the FACT that 100% of all evil-doers were believers that there is a planet earth (Earthists), and that if Non-Earthism (no belief in earth) was promoted, there would be no nationalism, no war for territory, much less evil etc. It also shows that over the centuries there have been many ideas as to what the shape of the earth is, therefore the only logical conclusion is Non-Earthism. Don't you find it funny that your beliefs about the earth (spherical earth and heliocentrism), just happen to be the only correct ones?

List of Earth Models Round/Heliocentric Earth Proponents don't Believe In

1)Flat, disk shaped earth
2)Flat, square shaped earth
3)Flat earth, inside a glass ceiling.
4)Flat earth, geocentric model
5)Expanding earth
6)Hollow earth
7)Geocentric, Ptolemaic model
8)Earth as the center of the Universe
9)Earth resting on Elephant shoulders
10)Other primitive beliefs....

List of Earth Models Non-Earthists don't Believe In

1)Flat, disk shaped earth
2)Flat, square shaped earth
3)Flat earth, inside a glass ceiling.
4)Flat earth, geocentric model
5)Expanding earth
6)Hollow earth
7)Geocentric, Ptolemaic model
8)Earth as the center of the Universe
9)Earth resting on Elephant shoulders
10)Other primitive beliefs....
11)Heliocentric, Spherical earth model.

Earthism and Evil

100% of all evil has been done by earthists. People like Galileo and Giordano Bruno have suffered as a direct consequence of their particular earth shape beliefs. The act of indoctrinating children with earthism should constitute child abuse. Some of the deadliest wars have been fought as a result of earthism and nationalism.

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The Rev. William H. Grimes #fundie

I think it is important to consider that Obamacare has raised health insurance premiums tremendously, and in doing so has forced more Americans than ever in the Medicaid program, which is objectively the worst health care program in the developed world. The fact that they will pay for enabling a lifestyle of sinful delusions regardless of whatever you want to call it, but will not treat legitimate medical conditions shows how liberal Obamacare has its priorities way out of whack. It is also true that pumping men with estrogen tremendously increases the chance for heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and other conditions, and proves how inefficient government and the liberal agenda is. --William Grimes (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Rob Smith #fundie

Hillary I'd classify as a Leninist. Technically speaking, there really is even a subdivision between Leninist and Marxist-Leninist. Hillary appears to have studied closely Lenin's, Leftwing Communism: An Infantile Disease.

Counterpunch magazine documented how Hillary built a vanguard party of a chosen few which is 100% Leninism. Marx made no such reference to vanguardism or the idea of a "permanent revolution."

I wonder where Trump falls in this scheme. What sort of commie is an isolationist-militarist-federalist with ambitions of outerspace-expansionism who ostensibly supports the previously discarded proletariat?

Good question. I had to point out today to the anti-neocon anti-globalists that Trump's Iranian policy is the same as the neocons. But it's how you phrase it. Instead of saying Trump's bowed to the neocons, you have to say the entire neocon movement suddenly woke up and saw the wisdom of Donald Trump.

[Note: Rob Smith is also a Conservapedia editor.]

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Kingdamian1 #racist

If there is a country in the world today that has 300 000 child slaves then it is a shithole country! Shithole= a very bad country, which Haiti is. But it isn't just a very bad country, it is a shit country. Korea is a bad country. Haiti is a SHITHOLE. Have you ever seen neighborhoods in Haiti, you can smell the dung from the picture... If we ridicule people who wave confederate flags because it allegedly glorifies slavery in 1860s, why should ANYONE defend Haiti? USA does NOT need Haiti. Haiti produces NOTHING. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that there are wonderful PEOPLE that originate from Haiti, but Haitian culture produces nothing... What neurological papers of essence come from Haitian Universities? NOTHING. Haiti needs USA. Haiti needs to be diplomatic around USA... Because USA is one of the best countries in the world. In terms of production, this CANNOT be questioned! In fact, it's not like the world would suffer if Haiti was governed by the USA!

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Nicholas aka Presents/Remnants of God #fundie

To understand the forty and two months that the beast will reign, we must first find the method of time the Bible declares for prophecy. God says in Ezekiel 4:6 "I have appointed thee each day for a year" And we also find the Bible acknowledges a month to be 30 days long. Because in, Genesis 7:11 we see the rain started on the 17 day of the 2nd month and in Genesis 8:3,4 we find the water receded at the end of 150 days, then it says the ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. That's exactly 5 months. If we divide the 150 days by the 5 months you get 30 days per month. So 42 months multiplied by 30 equals 1260. According to Ezekiel 4:6, that's 1260 years that Papal Rome would reign.

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The Amazing Atheist #sexist

On February 2012, in a thread on the MensRights subreddit about a distasteful username on a feminist board, he made a "joke" about how he wanted to violently rape one of its users. When he was informed the person in question was an actual rape victim and called out by said person for his abusive language and lack of respect for people with post-traumatic stress disorder, he complained about the very concept of trigger warnings and posted further graphic descriptions of how he would rape her again in a deliberate attempt to make her relive her trauma.
Choice statements include "I will make you a rape victim if you don't fuck off." and "I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow."[53][54]

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Hans-Hermann Hoppe #fundie

"The current situation in the United States and in Western Europe has nothing whatsoever to do with “free” immigration. It is forced integration […] The power to admit or exclude should be stripped from the hands of the central government and reassigned to the states, provinces, cities, towns, villages, residential districts, and ultimately to private property owners. […], if only towns and villages could and would do what they did as a matter of course until well into the nineteenth century in Europe and the United States: to post signs regarding entrance requirements to the town, and once in town for entering specific pieces of property (no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no Moslems, Hindus, Jews, Catholics, etc.); to expel as trespassers those who do not fulfill these requirements [...]"

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Elvis is King #fundie

It is quite simple, sir. Please consider that gender is assigned by God in the womb, and there are only male and female (Genesis 1:27) and that is simply all that really exists. The Cult of Transgender tends to force those who even have the slightest inclination they are something other than what God made them, they suck them in. Then they lobbied the psychological institutions to push so-called "transitioning" as the ONLY remedy for gender confusion, which is caused by the fluoride and the birth control hormones in the water. When people realized they have made a mistake, they seek to undo the bodily mutilation they were indoctrinated to undergo and the Cult of Transgender shames and rebukes them and ignores their existence so the mental health professionals they lobbied continue to go ahead and push teenagers on hormones. Also of note is that most Transgenderism in men is caused by autogynephilia as well as social rejection, and can be the result of a co-morbid disorder such as autism, which is caused by the mercury in vaccinations that kids are pushed on at such an early age. So-called Transgendered folks have a suicide rate of 41 percent, and sex changes only increase this rate. We need to treat the mentally ill far better than we do, but the liberals keep on pushing this ideology that you can exercise veto power over the will of God because mere man thinks he IS God nowadays. What a shame, really. --Elvis is King (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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The Rev. William H. Grimes #fundie

Medicaid is unequivocally the worst healthcare system in the developed world, so why is it being celebrated as a lifeline to the poor? I, as a pastor, live below the poverty line technically, but there is undeniable proof that the health results of Medicaid are no better than those with poor people who have no insurance. Therefore, trillions of taxpayer dollars are being spent to no avail. --William Grimes (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Apparently Medicaid in my state will cover “cross-sex hormones” for sinful transvestites but not acid reflux medication in my state. Is that not messed up?! --William Grimes (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
It is messed up that it does not cover acid reflux medication, but I don't see why you needed to bring up transvestites. Also, for your information, a transvestite is different to a person who is transsexual or transgender. CowHouse (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I think it is important to consider that Obamacare has raised health insurance premiums tremendously, and in doing so has forced more Americans than ever in the Medicaid program, which is objectively the worst health care program in the developed world. The fact that they will pay for enabling a lifestyle of sinful delusions regardless of whatever you want to call it, but will not treat legitimate medical conditions shows how liberal Obamacare has its priorities way out of whack. It is also true that pumping men with estrogen tremendously increases the chance for heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and other conditions, and proves how inefficient government and the liberal agenda is. --William Grimes (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
So are you saying that a single-payer healthcare system would be better, since that's very common in the developed world? Nobody "pumps men with estrogen" anyway. L?¨ÿ?n?¨n?¨R?¨ (¨??ä?l?¨k?¨)¨ (¨c?¨ö?n?¨??r?¨ï?b?¨s?¨)¨ @ 16:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
All government run healthcare programs have shown to be total failures, but Medicaid is of course by far the worst offender, and the main thing that Obamacare accomplished was kicking people off better private programs and onto the subpar Medicaid program. While we indeed are pumping men full of estrogen in this country. Isn’t that what the liberal ideology of Transgenderism is all about? We’ve made men so effeminate through the feminist movement and by suppressing boys with Ritalin as the public schools treat boys like defective girls. Therefore, men now think they are women and seek to engage in experimental medical prosecutes that are detrimental to physical and mental health. We need to treat our mentally ill far better in this country, and RINOs like McCain who voted against repealing the Obamacare monstrosity aren’t helping. --William Grimes (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Deuteronomy 23:1: He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Let’s start off with saying that God doesn’t make mistakes. GOD CREATED US TO BE MALE AND FEMALE! God has ordained different roles for men and for women! Men go out and WORK HARD while women stay at home and take care of the kids and cook and clean! Yet, men insist upon wearing drag and taking estrogen and mutilating their flesh! Breast enhancements, cutting off their penises, and all of this other garbage! No matter how much money you put into this vanity, and no matter how many dresses and how much makeup you wear, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A MAN! YOU MOCK GOD IF YOU ATTEMPT TO “CORRECT” HIS PERFECT CREATION! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You can’t get pregnant! You can’t have kids! You don’t get your period! All you may have are some fake breasts and a fake vagina! Have you ever heard a transvestite talk? That’s conclusive evidence that you WILL ALWAYS HAVE XY CHROMOSOMES AND WILL ALWAYS BE A MAN AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS WHAT THE LORD HATH ORDAINED! OWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! There’s also women these days, these really butch lesbos trying to become men with a fake penis! Can’t have kids either! Feminism has run amok, and women aren’t just happy with being in the workforce and wearing short hair and pants and other men’s clothing!! They gotta have a pseudo-penis and chop off their breasts as well! That’s a total mockery to Our Lord Jesus Christ! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD!!!!!! In the DSM-V, there is a mental illness called gender dysphoria! This is a MENTAL ILLNESS, NOT A “GENDER IDENTITY!” LETTING A TRANSVESTITE MUTILATE THEIR FLESH AND TAKE HORMONES IS LIKE GIVING AN ALCOHOLIC A FIFTH OF JACK DANIELS OR GIVING A MORBIDLY OBESE PERSON A BIG MAC! THESE TRANSVESTITES DO NOT NEED TO INDULGE IN THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS! THEY NEED HELP, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE WORD OF GOD! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE THE LORD! THESE FREAKS OF NATURE ARE NOT CONTENT WITH MOCKING GOD’S CREATION! THE PRONOUN POLICE IN CALIFORNIA ARE MAKING CRIMINALS OUT OF GODLY FOLKS AND THEY LET THE SODOMITE DISEASE AIDS RUN AMOK! THE TAXPAYERS ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR ALL THIS NONSENSE AS TRANSVESTITE MEN CONTINUE TO GO INTO THE WOMEN’S ROOM AND RAPE LITTLE GIRLS AND HELPLESS WOMEN! THIS IS MORALLY REPUGNANT AND MUST CEASE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!! God's people said AMEN!

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Greenrd #fundie

This page is written in a very naive way which assumes that "coercion" occurs as some aberrant behaviour practiced by a tiny minority. No, strict religion *is* coercion. The clue's in the name - Islam means Submission, i.e. Submission to God, i.e. specifically, in the case of Islam, Submission to Sharia Law. It's the same mistake as those Arab hijabis who claim that they freely chose to wear a Hijab. Well no because their whole culture is making them believe that if they don't wear a hijab, they are sluts. It's an oppressive culture.

Of course, even though Namazie is an atheist, this point of view is a little extreme, so that's why she couches it in terms of rights. But the reality is, Muslim women will only be truly free when they become apostates. Arbitration or no arbitration

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The Rev. William H. Grimes #fundie

I think it is important to consider that in the United States, the average life expectancy is 77 years old, while the lifespan of the average transgendered individual is 35. Defying God’s natural law has severe ramifications on physical and mental health. Pumping men with estrogen for long periods of time results in increased risk for cardiovascular problems, blood clots, and other issues ranging from excessive emotional distress to morbid obesity. For those with a family history of heart disease, this so-called “treatment” will cause cardiovascular related death more quickly than eating Big Macs and fries for every meal every day of the week while drinking gallons of soda and living a sedentary lifestyle. This is why I believe that “cross-sex hormone therapy” should be banned as it violates the first precept of the Hippocratic Oath; the strongly negative effects from this “treatment” proves God’s natural law displayed in Genesis 1:27. Therefore the most humane thing would be to reinforce proper gender roles and possibly administer an antipsychotic such as Pimozide or Thorazine, instead of doing the equivalent of giving an alcoholic a fifth of Jack Daniels as the essay clearly states. It’s enabling, it’s inhumane, and it’s inherently harmful and detrimental.—William Grimes (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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GoodFight310 #fundie

Bullshit. Hell isn't cruel. God decides what is moral. Not you guys.

Yes, hell is forever. What is it like? Emotional, mental, and physical torment, forever and ever. A trillion years are not even a second. People are already there, begging for another chance, but they already had a chance. They're going to stay there, forever.

Many people had visions of hell. Demons came and told us about hell. One South Korean made a documentary of her experience In hell. One punishment for men for sexual sins are animals gnawing on your genitials. Bestiality will have demons twist your body until you drip blood. Blasphemy will have your tokngues nailed onto a table and lava poured onto them. Forever and ever... Masturbation will have your penis sliced... Over and over...

You guys ridicule and scoff at what I'm saying now, but you'll see. Satan has decided you.

A demon on the April and Wayne show described the worms in hell. Exorcized people on Emmanuel TV described hell. Many MANY revelations.

Cruel, unbearable torture.. For ever and ever. Never ending. You all are going to end up that way if you do t repent. You say a moral god wouldntmdo that? God makes the morals! You don't!

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On average, when a girl is 13 years old, her IQ on an adult intelligence test will be in the normal range. The age of consent in Germany is 14. The age of consent in Uruguay is 12. The age of consent in Spain has traditionally been 13 and still is although it is in a limbo. The age of consent in Canada was 14 until a few years ago when the USA made them raise it. Phalometric studies, which measure male sexual arousal by penile blood volume, reveal that over 80% of males are just as sexually attracted to pubescent 12 year olds as they are to 18 year olds.

Evolutionary psychology theory strongly supports point 3, as males who reproduced with the full range of fertile females were far more likely to pass their genetics on, and to do so to a greater extent. The age of consent around the world was close to puberty up until the 1880's, when religious feminists groups invented the idea that it should be higher, originally done to lower prostitution rates Full sexual maturity, meaning tanner stage 5, is reached on average at age 14.5 in females, meaning that you cannot differentiate between a 14.5 year old girl and an 18 year old girl, based on sexual development.

About 25% of adult females will never pass tanner stage 4, which is reached on average around 13 years old. Underage teenagers also fall into the normal range of adult height and weight, although more so toward the petite side of normal, Tons of underage teenagers are having sex with each other and with adults and turning out perfectly fine, and your entire argument is based on made up bullshit that you have been brainwashed into believing and which has not a shred of legitimate evidence supporting it.

The brain of a human continues to develop until they are 25 years old, so you cannot use the lack of a mature brain to argue that a 15 year old cannot consent to sex but an 18 or even 24 year old can, and also see point 1 which shows that 13 year old brains support normal adult intelligences. Also, keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are very intent on lying about the facts, distorting reality, and doing whatever they have to do to manipulate your perception of the world.

There is an organized movement to demonize and criminalize empirically demonstrated as normal male sexual behavioral patterns. These people are filthy liars, and they have tried to infiltrate every group of significant power they are capable of infiltrating, in order to further their male hating agenda of bullshit. A prime example of this was their failed coup of the field of Psychology, in which their agents attempted to have sexual attraction to pubescent 12-14 year olds labeled as a mental illness called "hebephilia". Thankfully this attempt was REJECTED, and hebephilia is not a recognized mental disorder in the DSM, and the MAJORITY opinion of mental health professionals is that being sexually attracted to teenagers is NORMAL, and the opinion of the majority of people in dozens of first world countries from Germany to Italy to Uruguay is that it can be acceptable for an adult male to have sex with young teenagers!

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Landmartian #fundie

Are there any plausible hypotheses about the evolutionary psychology of pedophilia?

We know that, up to a point, youthfulness is often an attribute non-pedophiles look for in a mate. For a long-term relationship, assuming the partners do not live in an industrialized society in which having a high school education is an advantage for a mate, it makes sense to mate with someone as close to pubescence as possible, since they have more years of fertility ahead of them. This would explain the fetish behind magazines such as Barely Legal and websites that advertise models who have just turned 18 and look younger than 18.

So maybe pedophilic attractions developed because it was more adaptive to err on the side of too young rather than too old. In pubescence, fertile young women still have many characteristics of children, and therefore it might be maladaptive for a man to be strongly repelled by childlike traits.

Maybe there were situations, in caveman eras, in which someone started a sexual relationship with a prepubescent, and that relationship continued into pubescence and produced offspring. Maybe those who did this had an advantage over rivals, by being the first to form an emotional bond with the child, and to claim the child as their long-term partner. Maybe this emotional bond was promoted by their providing the child with food and other resources; thus it also served to protect the child's well-being.

Who knows what complicated social purposes pedophilia might have served? Maybe, in a variant of the super-uncles theory, pedophiles served as caregivers for young family members, since they would tend to volunteer for roles that would put them in close contact with those kids. A counter-argument would be that their engaging in child sexual abuse would cause enough harm to those children to outweigh the value of the care they provided.

Maybe in caveman days, though, the resources they provided would have meant the difference between life and death for the child, so that back then, the pedophilia was adaptive.

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Landmartian #fundie

They get called "child molestors" and such but they also get discriminated against solely on the basis of openly being pedophiles, without necessarily being called any other names.

When they get kicked out of places like Wikipedia, systemic bias is introduced into those sites' content.

Perpetuating that bias is in fact part of the stated goal of kicking those editors out.

People don't want them editing articles in ways that will produce a neutral point of view.

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Anonymous #fundie


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Andy Schlafly #fundie

[Note: The original has been deleted, this screenshot is hosted on RationalWiki.]
[Transcript: "Wintery mix dumps record snow on New York." Where's the phony global warming that liberals have been yipping about?]

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Roko #fundie

("Roko's Basilisk")

Solutions to the Altruist's burden: the Quantum Billionaire Trick

Prerequisite concepts: Non-technical Introduction to the AI Deterrence Problem, And the winner is: Many-Worlds!

Followup to: The Altruist's Burden

One way to overcome the Altruist's burden problem is to stop being an altruist, to re-frame your impulses to help distant others as a bias rather than a preference. In the case of existential risks, there are additional reasons for doing this: firstly that the people who are helping you are the same as the people who are punishing you. (This is not the case for aid to the developing world). This is not an option that I personally like.

Another perfectly valid reaction is to just take the hit and accept that you will be taken advantage of as an altruist, but that it is worth it. This is also not an option that I personally like.

In this vein, there is the ominous possibility that if a positive singularity does occur, the resultant singleton may have precommitted to punish all potential donors who knew about existential risks but who didn't give 100% of their disposable incomes to x-risk motivation. This would act as an incentive to get people to donate more to reducing existential risk, and thereby increase the chances of a positive singularity. This seems to be what CEV (coherent extrapolated volition of humanity) might do if it were an acausal decision-maker.[1] So a post-singularity world may be a world of fun and plenty for the people who are currently ignoring the problem, whilst being a living hell for a significant fraction of current existential risk reducers (say, the least generous half). You could take this possibility into account and give even more to x-risk in an effort to avoid being punished. But of course, if you're thinking like that, then the CEV-singleton is even more likely to want to punish you... nasty. Of course this would be unjust, but is the kind of unjust thing that is oh-so-very utilitarian. It is a concrete example of how falling for the just world fallacy might backfire on a person with respect to existential risk, especially against people who were implicitly or explicitly expecting some reward for their efforts in the future. And even if you only think that the probability of this happening is 1%, note that the probability of a CEV doing this to a random person who would casually brush off talk of existential risks as "nonsense" is essentially zero.

A more exciting (and to my mind more preferable) way to overcome the problem is to quickly become so rich that you can turn charity into business by single-handedly changing the faces of high-impact industries. Elon Musk is probably the best example of this. I swear that man will single-handedly colonize mars, as well as bringing cheap, reliable electric vehicles to the consumer. And he'll do it at the same time as making even more money. The key to this tactic is scale. You can't contribute 0.00002% of the effort to colonize space or mitigate existential risks and reap 0.00001% of the reward: you get 0 or even negative reward if your contribution is below some threshold.

The quantum billionaire trick

But how can an individual do an Elon Musk job on existential risk? Not everyone is a good enough entrepreneur to drop out of grad school and come out with a $300 million startup before their classmates even have PhDs. Well, there is another way to make $300,000,000. Start with $30,000, and using a quantum random number generator, gamble it on the forex markets at a 10,000:1 ratio. Then in the branches where your gamble pays off, start an AGI company, hire the best people and build an FAI yourself. You could hire existing existential risk charities as consultants when you required their services. You can increase your chance of success in at least some branches by tossing a quantum coin to make key decisions. You could take, say, 50% of the universe for yourself and donate the other 50% to humanity. In your half, you can then create many independent rescue simulations of yourself up to August 2010 (or some other date), who then get rescued and sent to an optimized utopia.

You can also use your resources to acausally trade with a CEV-like singleton that might otherwise punish you for being a partial x-risk reducer, as mentioned before.

You can also use resources to acausally trade [2] with all possible unfriendly AIs [3] that might be built, exchanging resources in branches where you succeed for the uFAI sparing your life and "pensioning you off" with a tiny proportion of the universe in branches where it is built. Given that unfriendly AI is said by many experts to be the most likely outcome of humanity's experiment with AI this century, having such a lifeboat is no small benefit. Even if you are not an acausal decision-maker and therefore place no value on rescue simulations, many uFAIs would be acausal decision-makers. Though it seems to me that most people one-box on Newcomb's Problem, and rescue simulations seems decision-theoretically equivalent to Newcomb.

A win-win solution

What I like most about this option is that it is a win-win interaction between you and the rest of humanity, rather than a lose-win interaction. Humanity benefits by having a much higher chance of survival in 1 in 10,000 of the branches of the wavefunction, and you benefit by getting the lifeboat, removing the possibility of punishment and getting the rescue simulations. It also avoids the bitterness inherent in the first option, and the sucker-ness inherent in the second. That nobody thought of win-win solutions to existential risk before may be a testament to zero-sum bias.

1: One might think that the possibility of CEV punishing people couldn't possibly be taken seriously enough by anyone to actually motivate them. But in fact one person at SIAI was severely worried by this, to the point of having terrible nightmares, though ve wishes to remain anonymous. The fact that it worked on at least one person means that it would be a tempting policy to adopt. One might also think that CEV would give existential risk reducers apositive rather than negative incentive to reduce existential risks. But if a post-positive singularity world is already optimal, then the only way you can make it better for existential risk-reducers is to make it worse for everyone else. This would be very costly from the point of view of CEV, whereas punishing partial x-risk reducers might be very cheap.

2: Acausal trade is somewhat speculative: it is the idea that you can influence causally disconnected parts of the multiverse by doing simulations of them. A simpler explanation of how you can affect a uFAI in this way is to think about Nick Bostrom's Simulation Argument from the point of view of the uFAI. If you historically played a quantum lottery that definitely paid off in some branches of the wavefunction, then the uFAI will assign some probability to being in a simulation run by you, if that is what you pre-committed to doing (and if you actually follow through on your precommitment: the uFAI can test this by simulating you).

3: This idea is in part due to Rolf Nelson's idea of using the simulation hypothesis to acausally trade with uFAIs.Read his blog to find out more.

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James Wilson #fundie

It's obvious that when liberals can't come up with a coherent rebuttal, they resort to calling their opponents "trolls." It's quite sad, really, because it represents the dumbing down of culture that is manifested by the fact that we are using scantily clad women to sell the double bacon cheeseburgers that are causing our people to be unhealthy and obese. The Episcopal Church keeps on declining, yet clergy won't rethink their approval of homosexuality. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, and liberalism is a mental disorder.--Elvis is King (talk) 21:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Anonymous user #conspiracy

[An anonymous user edits the RationalWiki article on "gray aliens" to say that they exist, this is his/her response to being asked to provide evidence for their existence.] [Not evidence for aliens, a screenshot of an "edit conflict" (anyone familiar with wikis will know what that is)]

you blocked me after i already re-made the change and didn't receive your message.

Unless you have got good evidence that grays dont exist, please stop saying in the article they are a figment of people's imaginations. I can easily suggest, "everyone knows that bug's create an imaginary blinding light when you have one, any one, in your sight. The sun seems to only be seen exactly as this is happening.



Big, bright. Floats through the sky.




who are you anyway?

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Gewgtweg #fundie

Being true, earnest and logically coherent with our atheism

I am going to charge atheists - virtually all of us here - with a serious accusation. There's a bug infecting their system known as the agnostic view. It is the belief that namely we can never be entirely, 100% sure that there's no sentient force in charge of our destinies (theism) or overseeing the cosmos in apathy (deism). That is 100% wrong. The evidence for theism or deism is likewise akin to zero and therefore we can rest 100% assured that no God whatsoever exists. It is moreover 100% within our human capabilities of reason to come 100% clear on this fact. Whoever maintains a view to the contrary is in essence affirming his faith to have faith in unseen possibilities. The view that God and religion are 100% human creations can never ever be refuted on a scientific basis. Your miserable attempts to cut God a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% slack are 100% astray of the path where logic itself, i.e. the dynamic of human reasoning wedges us. The reason you are confusing your 100% illogical arguments for 100% logical is for the same reason that when we are sleeping and dreaming we cannot pick apart our dream from reality. Well, wake up. There's 100% no God! Fear not to say so dumbass! --Gewgtweg (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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Kingdamian1 #fundie

Definition of God:
Intelligence behind this life, creator (of natural laws, natural world, life etc.), purpose of life, etc.
Note for especially dumb people... Since God is the creator of the natural world (time, space and matter), the question -"where did God come from"- becomes irrelevant!
What God is Not
Mythical Creature
Invisible Man
Any human invented object (including but not limited to shapes, sizes, colors etc. Basically, FSM, Zeus, Pink Unicorn, Flying Teapot etc.)

Referring to God as an invisible skydaddy and thinking, that belittles his existence... is no more true than calling gravity an "invisible super power" and believing it doesn't exist
The fool says in his heart, There is no God - Psalm 14:1

1 Nothing Makes Sense Without God
That is how I am going to kick it off. Nothing makes sense without God (in other words without intelligence, purpose and meaning)... And please, spare your delusions that we can "make purpose", "Darwinism Offers Something Beautiful" etc. This is a simple, yet necessary assumption. Everything works with it, nothing works without it. We are only different from a rock by the quantity and behavior of atoms. There is no purpose, consciousness, or virtue in this life. Everything is subjective. We are a cosmic afterthought. An accident that happened by chance...
2 No absolute morality
Yup... Morality is subjective... Most common explanation is that the feeling of empathy is innate (which then makes us wonder why do we condemn Sociopaths, who biologically lack this "innate" feeling)... But again, you can spare this BS and at least be honest, there is no reason for morality. There is no foundation for morality... Rocks don't need morality, we are only different by the quantity of atoms and their behavior... So whatever we think is moral, gets to be right... Also, do not delude yourselves that you can be "descent" human beings, since decency DOES NOT exist... Simply because we make up what is descent and what is not, by consciousness that DOES NOT EVEN EXIST... Because again it is just a bunch of chemicals interacting in a specific way... (what a cursed worldview, muttered he)

3 Teleological Argument
Whether you want to gish gallop and bring "evidence" of "bad" design... or make up some other stuff... One thing is undeniable... Life is very complex. As David once put it: I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful. (Psalm 139: 14). The complexity that has been observed in the universe points to intelligence. Whether it is the feeling of balance, memory or the corneal reflex the proof is there... The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome. -John 1:5.
You can try to deny it, We can certify it!
4 The Prime Mover
Everything in this universe points to that one point where everything began (the clock turned on if you like)... Everything in this life has a cause, which in turn itself has a cause... and thus ad infinitum... There has to be a prime cause... an intelligent designer... This we know to be God

5 Fine Tuned Universe
Whether you want to invent the "multiverse" theory or "ancient astronauts", one thing is clear... The fine tuning of the world does not "go away". The ingredients necessary for life... The sources of ingredients (bananas etc.) being made up of the same DNA code (yes... DNA is an intelligent design argument, NOT one for common descent), air, ozone layer to protect us from UV lights are a clear indicators of INTELLIGENCE and not random occurrence!
As Paul once put it:
"Since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." -Romans 1:20
6 No Absolute Justice
How often have you uttered the phrase "It's not fair"? Well it is not supposed to be... Because, once again, we decide what is fair by using our consciousness (which DOES NOT EXIST to begin with)... There is no objective judge, no order, no consequences for actions... If you get away with something, (e.g Hitler, who after an exciting and popular life of 56 years, after having fulfilled life's dreams, peacefully, and with AS LITTLE PAIN AS POSSIBLE, departed!) that's it!
7 Non-Atheistic Reality
The reality, as we perceive it, literally COULD NOT BE further removed from an atheistic view... We live with purpose, sense of morality, sense of absolute justice (call it Karma or whatever). We live as intelligent beings, made in the image of God. NONE of you can tell me, that you were raised or continue to live as a random occurrence with no morality, respect or decency! So on one hand let's convince ourselves we are a meaningless afterthought. But let us live meaningful, honest, loving lives. And give our kids the same understanding!
8 Life
The very fact that life exists is a smoking gun that PROVES the existence of a designer behind it. The complexity and design is UNDENIABLE.
9 Atheist's Existence being Predictable and Compatible
The Bible is clear that atheistic, scoffers and mockers will come... It is also clear that no proof is enough for someone who WILLFULLY denies the existence of intelligence...
Here are a few verses... "you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires" -2 Peter 3:3
"For they look, but they don't really see. They hear, but they don't really listen or understand" -Matthew 13:13
"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:31
10 No Good Argument for Atheism (EVER EVER!)
In the history of existence of the atheistic movement... NEVER HAS ANYONE GIVEN any reason for atheism... All the arguments center at scoffing theists... There has never been an argument for why someone should be an atheist--Kingdamian1 (talk) 02:37, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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James Wilson #fundie

Taylor Swift is a succubus! If you lust after the flesh of Taylor Swift, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God! The evil succubus Taylor Swift has created a den for Lucifer in her wickedly sinful vagina, and Satan formed the evil nasty woman with perfectly circular and perky breasts because God would rather have weak trembling boys than STRONG MEN OF GOD! "Boys only want love if it's torture" this succubus has no interest in God and godly love and she didn't understand agape love so therefore she's a disgusting nasty woman who simply wants to have sex with as many men as possible and getting birth control hormones in the water and making men weak beta males full of estrogen like these atheist nerdy video game users who pretend to care about science! Wearing Pi shirts and taking advice from ENGINEER Bill Nye who claims to be an expert in biology, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology! He's as much of a scientist as the manager of my nearest Wendy's! Little nerds on here can't even get anything right!

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James Wilson #fundie

How's the autism, Frank? I think polio is less dangerous than autism because all these autistic nerds have no respect for their fellow man, and they cry and scream for no apparent reason because they're intellectually incapable of having a personal relationship with the Lord. If it wasn't for autism ungodly garbage like "hentai" and "My Little Pony" would have been eradicated by now. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Men's Rights EXTREMIST #sexist

Power imbalance

One of the arguments for statutory rape laws is that there's a power imbalance between an underage minor and an adult. In a scenario where a 13-year-old is approaching an adult online, volunteering his address, and inviting the guy to travel across the U.S. to have sex with him, is there a power imbalance? What is preventing the teen from fending the predator off by saying, "No thanks" and blocking him, as opposed to saying "Here's where I live; don't forget to bring the condoms, and remember, I like strawberry peach-flavored wine coolers"? To me, that sounds like it's the teen who's really calling the shots and getting the adult to do what he wants.
The son of a friend of my mine used to brag to his mom about how he could easily find gay men who would pay him several hundred dollars a night for sex. In that way, he was able to afford a lifestyle where he wasn't financially dependent on his mom, and she couldn't tell him any longer, "As long as you're under my roof, you obey my rules." (His mom was a lesbian who had him by some random guy she got to fuck her so she could have a kid, which adds further support for my argument that dads are NOT as dispensable as feminists would have people believe.)
At what point do we have to conclude that it's really the teens who are in the driver's seat, and behaving in a way that borders on exploitation of horny adults who have no choice but to obey their instructions and pay exorbitant prices if they want to fulfill their fantasies?
People often say it's adults who are able to prey on teens' desire for affection, approval, etc. How is that a stronger drive, that renders people more susceptible to manipulation, than adults' sexual urges? It's one thing to bring up teens' physical dependence on adults for the necessities of life, but once we get into the territory of factors that make people susceptible to psychological coercion, it gets really iffy because some adults have as little self-control as teenagers.

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Men's Rights EXTREMIST #racist#wingnut

Why are so many black men voting for Hillary in the primary?

I guess maybe they're just voting for her because of her husband, who was supposedly "the first black President". As Toni Morrison was writing, "Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas."
Plus he smoked weed and enjoyed fucking white chicks — and he was persecuted for it by Republicans, JUST LIKE A BLACK MAN WOULD'VE BEEN.
Bernie Sanders actually gives a fuck about real issues that have been keeping the black man down for generations, and he was a bona fide activist for black issues in college, but he just doesn't ACT stereotypically black enough to suit these guys. He needs to start wearing a baseball cap backwards, let his pants sag below his ass, throw a few "my niggas" into his speeches, and maybe flash a gang signal now and then.
Also, Hillary is a feminist, and feminists and black men seem to share the same idea that it's best to destroy the institution of the family and just have a few gangsta thug motherfuckas (aka alphas) impregnate all the women, who will then use welfare to feed their families. Feminists see this as empowering because they don't have to be ruled over by a husband, while black men always imagine that they're going to be the ones who will be badasses enough to slay pussy everywhere they go in a system where marriage hasn't locked either them or these bitches down.
(When you think about it, there are A LOT of people who would like to destroy the traditional institution of the biological family. Evangelical Christians are on board that program too, because whenever a struggling, working-class family gets broken up by CPS, they get to show up as the saviors who adopt the kids and train them in their Christian ways.)
Plus, black men don't really like this idea of economic equality in which there's no longer a top 1 percent that gets to rule the world. Rather, they want to BE that 1 percent. Black men are always flipping through the "Mansion" section of the Wall Street Journal as they sit in their prison cells and imagining the yachts, fancy homes, etc. they're going to have after they get out and finally set up their crack empire the right way. They like to read hood novels that feature a black man as a Hollywood filmmaker who gets to fuck lots of (light-skinned) broads, and imagine that they could rise to that role somehow by hustlin' and makin' the right deals. Hey, why not.
In light of how blacks buy so much into the "rags to riches" narrative of economic mobility, it almost seems like they're actually Republicans at heart, but maybe the GOP turned them off with all of their Confederate flag waving to the point where the only Republican they're going to be willing to vote for is Donald Trump (who of course harbors no racism in his heart). Trump will likely appeal to them in the general election, because he's anti-Hispanic (notice how Hispanics and blacks never get along when they're put in the same prison cell?) and likes to flash his bling and young, hot (and white) wives around everywhere. They like how he didn't need a lot of fancy education to become rich, but just was able to get to the top seemingly through negotiation and sheer bravado alone.
His dominance also appeals to them. They like how he didn't slowly build up a career as a Republican politician the way Jeb Bush did, but instead seemingly just walked in there and took over that shit — like a GANGSTA. They admire anyone who can figure out a shortcut to success that involves mainly boldness, salesmanship, and a keen understanding of the psychology of the people one is dealing with as well as the politics of the situation, as opposed to a lot of hard work.

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Men's Rights EXTREMIST #sexist

How does your theory that feminists find it empowering to fuck alphas make any sense?

From the feminist viewpoint, it's okay for women to fuck alphas, as long as they're ultimately in control of the alphas. For example, women may be attracted to bad boys who slap them around, but ultimately the female judge issues a restraining order, so feminists win (in theory). In reality, the bad boy just goes and fucks another broad; he doesn't give a shit about any particular broad whom he's not allowed to have contact with anymore. It's the "nice guys" who get attached to particular women and want to be loyal and faithful to them, who actually suffer from female dominance.
Likewise, it's okay for women to be dependent on men for their food, clothing, shelter, etc. as long as it's in the form of men paying welfare to a government ruled by feminists, which then redistributes the wealth to single moms who dumped the boyfriends/husbands/whatever who otherwise would've demanded something (sex, chores, etc.) in exchange for paying their way.

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Smerdis of Tlön #sexist

I disagree with the moral assumptions of Anita Sarkeesian's videos. She wants to pour her version of politics all over something that, at minimum, was not created with the intention of creating political propaganda. Fans of the material are entitled to treat this kind of critical approach as a kind of vandalism. Worse, in this enterprise, there's always an element of pretending to uncover unintended hidden meanings in the source material. This is an act that can be easily taken too far. There's also an element of moral blackmail involved. The assumption is not only that the hidden meanings are truly present; but also that they need condemnation. You are an apologist for immorality if you deny their presence. You are also an apologist for immorality if you refuse to join the chorus of condemnation. You are an apologist for immorality if your reaction to the argument is not to care about this issue. I don't see why she ought to be immune to pushback if that's the public stance she has taken.

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Elvis is King #fundie

Video games are the problem. All modern American mass shooting stories report these young men having played violent video games, and trends of violence among males who play video games shows how they affect the well being of themselves. One simply has to keep an open mind and realize that video games are the major cause of the violent attitudes of these young men. After playing a round of Grand Theft Auto they gain a thirst for violence and start cussing like sailors. I have seen this in my own neighborhood. --Elvis is King (talk) 00:58, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

They result in the tainting of these kids' minds and being young and impressionable, they tend to repeat these words. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, but how are these kids' minds worse off by knowing certain words for concepts that they already knew about - poo and that icky stuff mom and dad do sometimes? Do the words have some magical properties that brings whoever knows and uses them closer to moral decadence? (talk) 02:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

If they know these things, they will repeat them. It is all about worldview. If they hear these things, it leaves a certain impression that they are okay and accepted, which leads to inevitable moral decay. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't plenty (adult) devout Christians also use those words, though? Are they infected with moral decadence then, or might this supposed connection between words like "fuck" and "shit" and a hedonistic non-Christian worldview just be a superstition? (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

It is merely the truth. The Scriptures say that one is to use clean and undefiled speech, so these persons are obviously sinning by using such foul and reprehensible language. It is simple, really. One just has to consider that there is none of this sort of vulgarity in the Scriptures, so there is no need for God-fearing persons to defile their vocabulary. Aside from the Biblical authority, it simply sounds crass and unprofessional and children need not use or hear it. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:48, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

[Taylor] Swift obviously dresses in this fashion to sell heathen self-love and to ruin God's plan for the world, because her kind are all for secular humanism. The Word is God's revelation to humanity, and as such is not worldly like the attire that Swift is ruining America's moral foundation with. There is a glorious time in America's history where such attire would have been against the law, but it is not. Alas, this great corruption is akin to the corruption that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed over. I weep for America's future, and I will not tolerate being libeled as a fan for the seductress who wants to see the demise of America. --Elvis is King (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Again with these blasphemous assertions? You may insist on denying the sins you commit, but God sees through your lies. Repent and perhaps the Lord Almighty will show you mercy. (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I do not commit sins. I am right with God, and I spend considrable time studying His Word, and excising liberal vulgar heathen abominations. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Such arrogance. Have you forgotten that pride is sin and humility is virtue? You lie, you blaspheme and you commit the sin of hubris, and then you lie once more to deny all your sins! Such shamelessness! By God, sinner, repent! Do you truly wish to invoke the Lord Almighty's wrath upon your person? (talk) 02:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
You do not realize that I am more principled and conservative than you could ever hope to be, and I revere and am right with the Lord. I do not engage in liberal sins like all of these atheist nerds who don't care about anything. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
So you persist in your denial and your arrogance? Truly, is there any way to make you see the error in your ways? May the Lord guide you back to the flock, for verily, you are a lost lamb that has wandered greatly from the sacred path. (talk) 03:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

Are you ignorant to the truth? I must say, that you have done nothing but scoff ignorantly at my truthful essay. The Founders were not mere tax evaders, but crusaders for the Republic founded upon the Law presented to man by the Lord Jesus Christ. Crooked Hillary Clinton will have to answer to those four dead in Benghazi, and also have to answer for those emails at some point, because you simply cannot do wrong and get by. It's not how this works. It is a cultural issue, and in the 1950s people were happier and there was not a doubt who the father was and there were no divided holidays where a child didn't know if they were going to mom or dad's for Christmas this year. Those were the days! All of this sex outside of wedlock kids got from trash TV and pornography online is a cryin' disgrace! What Madonna did is pave the way for the evil seductress Taylor Swift to cause men to spiritually stumble in the ways of the lust of the flesh and it is shameful. THIS is not acceptable! See my essay HERE for more information. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

Video games can have tremendous negative effects on children and adolescents. They promote inactivity, and health problems such as obesity. In fact, video game companies such as Nintendo even have warnings on the games that basically say that one should take breaks every hour to stop harm to the eyes, and even seizures due to overexposure. Video games are often paired with a poor diet, which can consist of high-calorie snacks such as potato chips and high-sugar soda such as Mountain Dew. This is very typical in America, especially in cities and suburbs where there is not much for children to do.
It is often safer for parents to keep their children in homes playing these games than going outside due to city crime such as child abuse, gun violence, and bullying. Video games offer a shelter and sanctuary from this. Nonetheless, they cause health problems and can promote anti-social behavior and they may disconnect from parents.
Violent video games such as the Grand Theft Auto series promote violence in young boys, and despite an "M" rating, parents buy these sort of games for young children. These children are exposed to crime, immorality, drug abuse, gun violence, and obscene language at a young age. While the ESRB is doing a good thing placing appropriate ratings on such violent games, parents often do not look at these ratings and will unknowingly buy young children these atrocious titles. One who is aware can surely tremble as a parent buys a child Mortal Kombat for Christmas, and will know that the horrifying content can have a great effect on the well-being of the child! Even Christian churches will have youth group activities where young men will play games like Halo! This ignorance toward game content can promote young men emulating these characters in the violent games they played as children, and has shown links to certain violent behavior promoted recently. The Supreme Court upheld the "free speech" right of an extremely violent and gruesome game as if it were an actual form of speech. Images shown of the game include a beast breaking the body of a woman in half with gore spewing out. Surely one would not want their young child to see this! Nonetheless, this issue is one that will need to be solved by parents to protect the well-being of our children.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

There may not be a particular verse about a particular situation, but the Bible makes it clear that these means are intended SOLELY for the purpose of continuing the species. This is the SOLE, the ONLY purpose. The Bible makes this extremely clear, and anyone with an open mind can see this. Just because there is not a SPECIFIC verse for a SPECIFIC situation, does not make it okay. The Bible does not reference pornography, so does that make it moral? The Bible does not mention marijuana, so does that make it moral? Of course not. The Bible has references against sexual immorality and intoxication. --Elvis is King (talk) 04:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

Little kids and moron adults who refuse to move out of mommy's house play video games. This is an obvious truth. When married men make them mistake of playing video games, the marriage terminates. Is this really a hard concept to understand?

[I think my irony detector just broke... can't decide if this guy is serious or not.]

I am serious. Grown men playing video games is destroying the family by resulting in men neglecting their real life responsibilities in childrearing and work, and often results in health problems that can lead to premature death.

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Mona #conspiracy

"well, our 9/11 conspiracies article tells a different story" A wrong story, which I've edited out. The Administration knew, and Bush was briefed about Islamisist planning plane hijackings. he did nothing. this is a fact. All reasonable people are "Truthers" if to believe that is to be a Truther.

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Elvis is King #fundie

Trump has pledged to eradicate the menace that is pornography, and has stated that it ruins American families. Lust has ruined this great nation, and hopefully he also makes godless seductress heathens like the vile liberal Taylor Swift put some clothes on.

Economically, Trump will allow the American economy to grow without all of these burdensome regulations like the communist plot of ObamaCare that forces people to buy subpar health insurance and is a trojan horse for such vile policies as Crazy Bernie's single payer garbage.

Trump, I believe, will show the sound judgement to create the best foreign policy ever seen in this nation, because he values security over whiny liberal pleas of political correctness.

Centrally, the border wall must be built regardless of whether Mexico is going to foot the bill. The border is wide open and drugs, criminals, rapists, thieves, murderers, and even terrorists can sneak in to the United States due to the lack of border security and you simply cannot have a country without borders.

Hopefully, you will come to your senses and vote Donald J. Trump in November so that America can be a safe, God fearing nation that is righteous and not obsessed with sex, homosexuality, "equality" and "fairness," and all of this other politically correct drivel.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

When considering the various options of employment, college is the least worthy of them. Unless one wants to study law or medicine, there is absolutely no valid reason for a person to go to college to seek employment. Employers would sooner hire those who have not attended a university as they have not been indoctrinated with far-left propaganda and have not been taught by the American educational system to think inside the box in place of actually being creative. Socialist professors make it their goal to ensure that people do not think logically or critically, and accept their dogma as the only truth.
The K-12 public education system is a money grubbing machine designed to pump out drones for further university indoctrination. The Common Core standards ensure that every student in every school is learning the same overly complicated, overly drawn out rubbish and they make sure to stifle any form of creative thinking. The goal is to get money by getting children through hoops and tests, and to ensure they perform well on the pointless ACT/SAT assessments in high school, and can jump through more hoops in a university in order to gain nothing but a piece of paper that isn't worth the paper or ink that is printed on it. Most "sciences" and especially "social sciences" or "liberal studies" or "arts" are by their very nature inherently worthless, as they provide virtually no net gain whatsoever.
While some may claim the atmosphere of universities fosters intellectual discourse and challenges, and provide great opportunities for students to grow, the opposite is quite true. The trend, particularly in secular universities, is that one partakes of morning indoctrination, completes a few worthless assignments, and then proceeds to partake of behaviors deemed perfectly acceptable in secular society including profanity, modern pop music, sports, premarital sex, drugs, alcohol, violent video games, (such as Grand Theft Auto and Mortal Kombat) and this all results in health problems such as obesity, STIs, cancer, and heart disease, and it results in the poisoning of a student's mind toward secular socialist atheist propaganda and their general demeanor is of a hedonistic lifestyle.
One just has to realize all of the poisoning of one's character, morals, political and religious values, does not translate into a well-paying job. Many pointless courses that teach nothing, learning abominable Satanic behaviors, and all in all just becoming a sad case results in one working at the minimum wage fast food job one was attempting to avoid by going to college, and the person who worked at said restaurant right after high school is now the manager of the person who wasted so much time and effort in obtaining a useless sociology degree. This person's mind is not expanded (actually it is much more close minded after all of the liberal indoctrination) and their financial situation is worsened by being in six figure debt.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

Public schools as of late have seen girls' scores soar above boys' because schools have been geared toward the needs of girls and schools seek to emasculate boys by preventing healthy roughhousing and having psychiatrists prescribe boys drugs such as Ritalin. Then boys often come to hate school because radical feminists seek to prevent men from being men and forcing males to go through counseling to "discuss their feelings" and other liberal hogwash treating all students as if they were female. Colleges, because of this trend, see a trend of 60/40 female to male ratio because of feminist drivel such as romance novels in literature and ineffective therapy and attempts to push feminine traits on boys and young men making them frustrated and fed up with the system unless they agree to the school's desire to become effeminate.
Liberal ideology has also eliminated most male role models in public schools, such that less than a quarter of the teachers are men now.[1]
In areas on such standardized tests as ACT and SAT, girls have typically scored higher in areas such as mathematics and science. Colleges have become majority female, and the feminization of men is strong on college campuses with events that openly advocate female superiority. Females are also intent on emasculating males by forcing them to see "chick flicks" and concerts of female singers which also promote feminist nonsense, strongly continuing a trend that begins in high school which results in a large number of males taking up historically female programs such as psychology and nursing; this begins in school where teachers and administrators teach boys and girls to be girls and not only condone but encourage such emasculation which only continues throughout the boys' lives as learned behaviors are strongest during the crucial formative years these boys are in school.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

Bacon is a liberal, immoral substance. It can cause heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, coronary artery disease, high cholesterol, and other problems. Many people in the Western world insist on eating this rubbish. According to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, bacon can cause chronic obstructive pulmonary disease because of the preservative sodium nitrite.
Eating large quantities of cured meats like bacon could damage lung function and increase the risk of lung disease. Eating processed meat like bacon, sausage and deli meats is associated with a huge risk of heart disease and type 2 diabetes.
Bacon was prohibited by God, but many Christians consume it regularly because Christ apparently "eliminated" the law, rather than "adding to it".
"Bacon mania" is the passionate zeal Americans have over bacon. Many on this website suffer from it, apparently. Bacon possesses six ingredient types of umami, which elicits an addictive neurochemical response.
Bacon is a prominent feature in many American diets. Some sandwiches, including Wendy's Baconator features six or more strips!!
Eeeeeeeew, raisin bran, he cries. Soon, he has a heart attack since he ate bacon for breakfast. Oh the humanity! How will they ever pay for their liberal bias?
One must realize that if God intended humans to eat bacon, He would have never prohibited it, and Jesus came to fulfill the Law, rather than replace it.
As America grows even fatter, bacon consumption is on the rise.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

Matthew 5:28 is one of the most important verses in the Bible as it features the Lord Jesus Christ prohibiting lust. As many people do not heed this commandment, the verse is one many heathen liberals like to ignore or deem "archaic" and suggest that modern society should accept human sexuality as a norm, and seeing the degradation and soon to come fall of America and Western Europe for accepting lust the verse is therefore imperative to know to save the culture and the world from liberal hippie historical revisionism and deviation from the nuclear family.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

American society was created by the Founders to be a beacon of hope for those who were hopeless under the tyranny of the British empire. However, it is now apparent that American society has plummeted to where a known war criminal can run for President under the banner of a major party, and even though she was responsible for the death of four people in Benghazi, Libya, and also cannot account for over 30,000 emails that likely were containing sensitive information, she is lauded by even "President" Barack Hussein Obama and Bill "Philanderer" Clinton as "the most qualified person to seek the office." This is a sickening cultural problem. So, where did it begin?
Madonna is a performer who flaunted everything out, and various sitcoms aired that are a far cry from the golden Leave it to Beaver days. However, this is only the beginning. Now, American society is represented by witchcraft, horoscopes, ouija boards, sorcery, lust of the flesh, and the standard bearers of the culture are coarse heathens such as the vile liberal Taylor Swift, who decided to flaunt provocative attire that is only appropriate for the bedroom of a married couple.

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Elvis is King (James Wilson) #fundie

It's quite simple. We either ban the homos or else we fall like Rome. Therefore we have to outlaw homosexual behavior and punish it with life in prison because God hates a culture that glorifies sin and deems righteousness as prudish and old fashioned behavior. We wonder why kids have discipline problems today. Liberals have ruined our culture just like they already have in Europe. What are you implying? Taylor Swift is an abomination unto the Lord and a disgrace to our Republic. She flaunts her flesh and moans in a seductive fashion in her "songs" which celebrate premarital relations. She flaunts her flesh and exposing her breasts damns everything that the Founders made great about America. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

God created humanity in His own image (Genesis 1:27) and in Genesis 3 Adam and Eve rebel against God thereby corroding the perfect nature of the world, bringing about death, sin, disease, famine, and other such issues. One of the struggles humans have is that of not following God's commandment to keep chaste until marriage.
In today's society, even people who call themselves "Christians" say that kissing is "just kissing" and they think nothing of premarital kissing. God is not with these people who will even call themselves "conservative evangelical Christians" and may belong to such liberal groups as the Southern Baptist or United Methodist groups or the Satanic Catholic Church. Some of these same churches are the same churches that allow vile secular music from such despicable as rappers like Eminem, seductresses like Taylor Swift, and other arbiters of immorality, and also allow violent video games such as Halo.
The Whore of Babylon, more politely known as the Roman Catholic Church, is ultimately for premarital kissing although to be fair to Rome it still has managed to be less vile than the evil seductress Swift.
Matthew 5:28 says not to lust after a woman or else it is adultery, and Leviticus 20:10 says that the penalty for adultery is death. It is important to know that hugging, kissing, and hand holding are considered sexual acts, and thus are prohibited by God until marriage and even within marriage are only to be done sparingly behind closed doors.

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Elvis is King #fundie

One really has to realize that American society has turned for the worse, due to the narcissism in society shown simply by the "selfie" phenomenon. People are obsessed with themselves, and with trivial gossip pertaining to the lives of others. They are also obsessed with sex, which is a necessary evil for the purpose of procreation, an establishment created due to the fall of man. It, in theory, should be outright banned because it is offensive to see plastered all over this decaying society. Society has made a terrible turn for the worst, as this is all modern society cares about, and any form of morality or intellect is disregarded as "antiquated" or "old-fashioned" or "uninformed" and the hedonistic free-for-all they glorify is the way to go.
Consider the decline in entertainment:
American entertainment has taken a nosedive in morality in recent years and scholars both conservative and liberal with any sort of credibility will be the first to note this. In the 1950s such programming with conservative values as Leave it to Beaver existed and musicians with timeless longevity and who had moral values and work ethic (see Elvis Presley for instance) were dominating the cultural sphere. Today, vulgar sitcoms such as Two and a Half Men with its excessively raunchy humor and the similar Big Bang Theory as well as musicians who promote vulgarity and indecency and dress indecently and do indecent things such as Justin Bieber with his public urination and marijuana usage and many rap singers who rap about violence toward others and abuse of women and crime and drug usage as well as the vapid female stars such as Katy Perry (she frequently exposes herself inappropriately; commentator Glenn Beck noted her occult and demonic "Dark Horse" performance) Miley Cyrus (who has smoked marijuana in public and has dressed indecently and done indecent things on stage) Taylor Swift (who writes vapid material pertaining to the exact same subject matter ad nauseam with absolutely no substance whatsoever and dresses very provocatively on stage {please refer to the 2013 CMT performance attire which cannot be linked to here due to family-friendly values} and condones such vulgar things as alcohol usage and serial dating) and others. One must also note the rise in violent movies and video games which promote senseless killing; many violent video games feature shooting of innocent people and law enforcement officials and the military uses video games to train members because the games help to desensitize young men from any guilt resulting from killing. It is no coincidence that homicide, suicide, violent crime, and bullying has risen in occurrences as soon as this immoral culture devoid of conservative values and Christian principles arose. Without a virtuous, moral culture, the American founders said this system will not work. If God is taken out of the public sphere, there is nothing but utter depravity. God blessed America for being a moral beacon of freedom but economic collapse and natural disasters have been brought to America because of an immoral liberal atheistic culture.
Liberal Taylor Swift promotes drug abuse, self abuse, welfare, dumbing down of public discourse, homosexuality, and lust and self abuse due to her provocative and immoral attire.

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Elvis is King #fundie

t is simply the fact that only a fool can deny God. God created this world and due to sin, we degenerate. Evolution cannot exist because we decay instead of improve due to sin. This is as obvious as anything else. If God intended for anal reproduction, He would have made it so. He didn't. He clothed Adam and Eve because nakedness became shameful with sin. Taylor Swift is attempting to subvert the will of God! She is flaunting her flesh and enjoying the numerous men who spirituality stumble over her moral decadence and sensual demeanor. --Elvis is King (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

God has proven Himself in so many different ways yet liberals refuse to admit evolution is a hoax that Darwin made up to justify engaging in bestality with monkeys. Homo relations simply bear no fruit and kids raised without a mother AND father are more likely to have a sad childhood and will be confused about God's natural laws. A man and a woman being in union with one another in holy matrimony is as simply understood as gravity. Yet liberals seem deeply confused about how this works because they lack the moral clarity the Bible provides. Taylor Swift is an evil succubus and I am confused as to why obscenity laws aren't being enforced. They're used to keep porn off the channel next to Cartoon Network so kids don't watch porn, and therefore because obscenity isn't protected speech the blatant sexual nature of Taylor Swift is unprotected obscenity that no one in the right mind should enjoy. The moaning and the breasts and all of the twerking and blowing of kisses and everything. --Elvis is King (talk) 04:31, 18 December 2016 (

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Elvis is King #fundie

So, let's talk about whatever you're wanting to discuss. Homosexuality is simply unnatural and unacceptable. Whenever a man can conceive a baby from another man's seed out of his rectum, then I will accept homosexuality and homo "marriages." However, this of course is physiologically impossible because God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Taylor Swift is an evil succubus who is extremely bad for our country and she's causing many men to spirituality stumble. Her song "Wildest Dreams" contains blatant sexual moaning, and the music video contains her in crass attire and having immense desire for a man without decent clothing. Since her career began in 2006, she's been selling sex under the pretense of a family friendly celebrity. Family friendly her demeanor and attire is not. Any God fearing nation that respects the laws of nature shouldn't allow her crassness and classlessness. She is an evil seductress who will cause men to spiritually stumble in the ways of the lust of the flesh and it is shameful. THIS is not acceptable! See my essays HERE and HERE for more information. --Elvis is King (talk) 04:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Elvis is King #fundie

God intended procreation to be simply something that was done, much like with animals. Satan, however, convinced Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit and Eve convinced Adam to eat of it. Thus, original sin was born, and immediately after the sin was committed, Adam and Eve knew good and evil much like God. The first thing that happened was that they became ashamed of their nakedness, and God gave them a covering. This shows that they then knew the evils of lust, and the ramifications it would have on them. A lust for the flesh is punishable by death according to God (Leviticus 20:10) and Christ condemns it (Matthew 5:28) and Paul says it is better for a man not to marry and abide as Christ did. (I Corinthians 7:8) Despite all of these Scriptures condemning this unholy abomination, humanity has degenerated to the point that lust is not only acceptable but encouraged in the public sphere. Self image and worth has become based on nothing more than a contest of personal appearance, and people are so enamored in such vile sin that they will openly fornicate and talk of intentions to fornicate, thus bringing back the evil cities of Sodom and Gomorrah worldwide. They say that it is perfectly normal and natural, but this is a lie of Satan.

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Elvis is King #fundie

The Cult of Taylor Swift is a false religion reaching its way across the United States of America and the rest of the Western world. It is based on the presumption that the acceptable moral teachings are against the Lord Jesus Christ and for pornography, lust, fornication, paganism, self love, drunkenness, and also rejection of Biblical truths and sound Scriptural doctrine. Taylor Swift is the evil demonic agent responsible for this utterly atrocious exercise of feminism and socialism.


The end of morality of America was birthed on December 13, 1989, and this began the irreversible trend of utter moral decay and decadence in the United States of America. Taylor Swift, cult extraordinaire, would begin to sweep up the same sheep who buy iPhones, iPods, iPads, and other similar liberal products.
In 2006, Swift released her first album, and it became the wool over eyes necessary for the parents of innocent young girls to allow such filth and corruption to enter the home. In the home, parents are instructed to keep vigilant against liberal secular humanism penetrating the familial bond.
One must note that Swift promoted a venue that allowed the sale of alcoholic beverages due to the simple fact any perceived notion of innocence or piety from Swift was merely a marketing gimmick to start the career of the fledgling pop star. Matthew 7:15 states to "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." This is relevant here due to the fact that Swift has promoted fleshly desire, while pretending to be "America's sweetheart" as part of an intentional gimmick. [2]

Central beliefs

A tolerance of homosexuality, alcohol use, immorality, self love, and a rejection of the truths of Protestant Christianity are the central beliefs of the ideology fueling the Cult of Taylor Swift. Christianity is the source of morals for Western society, and the complete erosion of these are the necessary jumpstart the Cult needs to start its evil. Swift was raised in the Roman Catholic Church which staunchly promotes Roman paganism including worship of the Saints and of the Virgin Mary under the guise of Christianity.

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Elvis is King #fundie

Matthew 5:28 says not to lust after a woman or else it is adultery, and Leviticus 20:10 says that the penalty for adultery is death. It is important to know that hugging, kissing, and hand holding are considered sexual acts, and thus are prohibited by God until marriage and even within marriage are only to be done sparingly behind closed doors.

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ikanreed #fundie

[Re. violence against Trump supporters]

You can think I'm sanctimonious if you want. But you know what? That doesn't make you any less of a Nazi collaborator in the long run. There are actual white nationalists in multiple cabinet level positions in this country. The democratic process is being ripped to goddamn shreds by voting restrictions, gerrymandering, and more than a bit of corporate cash. Media processes are falling apart into regurgitating outright bullshit. And yes I think less of anyone who'd look at 1930s Germany and decide "There is no point where I'd stand up and oppose this." You can call that sanctimonious if you want. It may well be, but it's deserved sanctimony. I think you haven't considered your own place in the world. I think a little less of your morality because you're not willing to decide when to fight.
And again, I was talking about violence directed at nazis not at lost elections, so leave your straw man at the door. Do you think I advocated violence when Bush won by scant margins in 2000 and 2004, just because I thought he was a shitty republican ass? Do you think I advocated violence at Mitch McConnel when the republicans took the senate? I'm talking specifically about Nazis because there are a sudden fuck ton of them.

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RobSmith #conspiracy

In fact yes. The colostomy bag is not disinformation put out by the Kremlin and the Russian SVR because they fear Hillary will implement a missile defense system causing a costly arms race ala Reagan v. Gorby which Putin can't afford and will bankrupt the Russisn Federation all over again. The Trump coddling Putin lie is another myth concocted by the MSM/HRC/DNC bunch. Barack Obama already is coddling Putin with the Syrian ceasefire which coddles Assad and is the next step after kissing upto the Aystollah and Iran. This means abandoning our CIA allies, ISIS. So no, the colostomy is not Kremlin disinformtion. It's either anti-neocon disinformation from American defense experts, or its real. I think maybe there's less thsn a 10% chance that Hillary does not have a colostomy.

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JasonCarswell #conspiracy

I despise this cliché but you sheeple need to WAKE THE FUCK UP!

## Lies: God (duh), capitalism (debt slavery), patriotism (not the same as community), exceptionalism (really? I mean really???), mainstream news (propaganda), benevolent governments don't exploit and oppress you (all governments are bad, period).
## America may be the richest country in the world, but you are not rich. This has nothing to do with boot straps. Most people work hard and most people are poor. (See the Wikipedia article on Perception gap.)
## You have the largest most oppressive military and secret agencies overtly and covertly active all around the world, and you do not control it. You're voice doesn't matter. A Princeton study of political influence shows the US oligarchy is not a democracy.
## The global war on terror is a fraud and has replaced the cold war (also hyper inflated) as a justification for the military industrial complex. The US military is consuming 60% of the disposable budget of the federal government as of fiscal year 2015. It's consuming 16% of the total federal budget. More than the next 8 countries combined - and that hollow military can't win a war.
## You have a farce of a democracy, choose the lesser of two evils then switch to the other evil when this one doesn't work out - all just for show. The secret and military worlds are money laundering machines at tax payers expense. The Chinese have already won WW3.
## You have the "greatest" Hollywood and corporate lamestream propaganda brainwashing machine. (See the Wikipedia article on Concentration of media ownership.)
## Don't believe the hype! You've been hypnotized to believe that the government and police monopoly on violence[wp] is to help you.
## When you think of Russian KGB, their propaganda, and Siberian prisons - that's nothing compared to the USA, it's "news", and the prison industrial complex.
## Hitler, the Fatherland, slave concentration camps, the Jews and non-pure-bloods = Shillary/Drumpf, Homeland Security, the US prison industrial complex for African Americans, Muslims, "illegals", and immigrants. (Some fucking melting pot.)
## Of the 10 high level threats to humanity the US only focuses on 2, interstate conflict and terrorism (because they are profitable). The 8 that are unstudied by governance are poverty, infectious disease, environmental degradation, civil war, genocide, other atrocities, proliferation in trans national crime.
## If you think things are shitty now, the oncoming global collapse, ocean life collapse, civil war and world war will knock you on your ass. And after it comes you'll still say I am crazy because you bought and paid for the hype.

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Laurogeita Hamabost #conspiracy

Capitalism and democracy are incompatible with one another

Just look at the most "socialist" countries - Sweden, Norway, Denmark and so on. They are also the most Democratic countries. Meanwhile the US which has the most unfettered capitalism of any major Western nation is also the most corrupt with media and politics in the hand of a few über-wealthy conglomerates. The answer is simple: Less capitalism is better for democracy. The best would be no capitalism.

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Anonymus commenter #conspiracy

The editor(s) of rational wiki are a joke. Paid and abuse truth. They call satan a conspiracy theory as well as Jesus Christ. They also called Steven Jackson vs. United States Secret Service WHICH is documented fact that it's made up. Remember if something is true, Rational Wiki will say it's false. They also say we landed on the moon and call this real? LOL Every German from the Reich moved to America and started NASA. This site is a joke and so is every writer in it. The government planned 911 yet this jokesters say otherwise. They work for the government and are paid to tell you whatever they want to hide truth. Believe nothing they say. CNN is their favorite news channel so that should explain their "information"....Now delete this...HURRAY!! Before you get exposed. A site is being built to debunk this ridiculous and useless site. The truth shall set you free and this trolls are demented rodeo clowns. Sincerely...and mKUltra Deprgroammer. I OWN YOU.

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Tyrasian #conspiracy

Well I'm very much a man of science and have never denied evolution. However I feel many social topics especially towards conspiracy theories and alternative social policy viewpoints is extremely hateful in a ironically irrational way. Maybe somehow there is a bad presence on this site, not atheist, not Christian, but possibly occultic and maybe satan worshipping, I understand many here don't believe in any concept of religion, but I feel there is a religiously satanic sect operating here on a grand scale. You can believe in science and nature but you also are allowed to embrace unrelated concepts also. Being a scientist does not make you a bohemian grove baby killer.

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Typical lib #fundie

I believe that you should be punished for working hard, and your money given to pregnant teenage crackheads who have never worked and never will. I believe that Christianity must be replaced with Islam. I believe that the only sexual perversion is monogamy. I believe that George Soros and Sharia law are good for America. I believe that US troops are terrorists and should be killed by my ISIS brothers and sisters. I believe that Israel should be bombed and the Jews driven into the sea. I believe that men deserve to be raped by women. I believe that kids should be encouraged to smoke marijuana, but telling them to go to church is child abuse. I believe that blow jobs are morally acceptable, whereas animal testing is a heinous crime. I believe that killing cops is an exercise of freedom, whereas shooting black thugs makes you a racist fascist. I am a proud Obama voter, and will fight for whatever candidate in the next election is most like Obama.

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ReptoidKiller #conspiracy
A whistleblower leaks Michael Jackson's last phonecall! It shows Michael knows he will be killed!
This is a banned radio interview that shows Michael is getting his life ruined by the Illuminati!. "Illuminati" isn't EXPLICITLY mentioned, but he says trhere's a lot of conspiracy going on!

Paris Jackson did two things to expose Michael was murdered:
Posted images and warnings on her twitter and instagram
Paris Jackson describes hoe Michael jackson was the "fall guy" and and that there were people "pulling the strings"!
Here it shows Michael Jackson was trying to warn us of the Illuminati and that's why he died. He, again, mentions there was a lot of "Conspiracy" going on!
If you want more proof, search "Paris Jackson reveals Illuminati"!--ReptoidKiller (talk) 18:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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ReptoidKiller #conspiracy

Nikolas Schrek, a Satanist High Priest says Satanists control the media.
Full interview:
The ENTIRE video Nikolas proves that Satanists:
Want to control world dominion
Control the media
are hiding evidence Christianity is true
Radio frequencies control humans
Control Scientists
Getting rid of the "old order" for the "New Order".
Not only that, but the diamond sign JayZ and other celebrities are using are actually athe sign the Order of the Templae of Astartes are using, along with Anton laVey.

Even Austrailian celebrities are using it now!

And POKEMON! is promoting Feminism! The newist xcast character is even using the hand sign Anton laVey and Temple of Astrartes are using!

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(ip address) #conspiracy

What is there is that one Youtube video that provides proof of the Illuminati? Like a whistleblower? Have you EVER thought of that?-- (talk) 09:58, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
In fact: here ya go!
That'll get you started.-- (talk) 10:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

You guys want a whistleblower with proof? HERE YA GO! (Warning: Poe's Law in action!)

seriously, I stopped searching when I found out the word "proof" is misleading on Youtube. Who's surprised though?--???? (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

You people are stupid.
ANOTHER whistleblower: Tila Tequila. With PROOF!
Also some quotes:
"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels. -Prince Phillip
"A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." Ted Turner" In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it." J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier
"We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage." Mikhail Gorbachev
"World population needs to be decreased by 50%" Henry Kissinger
"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing." David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club
My source: Don't forget to watch the video!

ALSO don't forget all these henry Kissinger quotes made in this link about depopulation. I know how much you hate to use ytour eyes so I made sure they were all in text. :)
Boy are there a lot of quotes by him about the Illuminati/NWO/depopulation!
I honestly don't know you you are going to refute all this, as its HARD EVIDENCE. As a Christian I will stay VIGILANT and fight AGAINST the ILLUMINAIT. There are lots of whistleblowers on Youtube with PROOF evolution is a lie, along with atheism. Have fun living in denial.--(ip censored) (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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ReptoidKiller #conspiracy

(Arguing about whethe Katt Williams was joking about the Illuminati)

It's pretty obvious now that you guys are government paid shills! No one in his right mind would ignore what the BoN said. Actors don't just joke about admitting the Illuminati exists! Prince admits it, and now Katt Williams! You guys are obviously govt. paid shills, or sheeple. The anonymous user gave you quotes on THIS SAME PAGE to prove it since you were too lazy to watch the video he provided, and you refused to! Do you realize that Katt Williams is IN the Illuminati and he ADMITTED it? If you ARE a govt. paid shill, then you WILL be VERY surprised when it turns out Katt Williams WASN'T joking, and you will be brushed aside, and you realize that you were just a puippet all along

(The whole conversation is pretty funny take a look)

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Tolerance #fundie

Much has been made over the question of whether eating meat is moral. The question generated so much debate because so many of the participants in the debate were atheists without any clear moral code. Lacking this, the only moral compass they possess is that of the society they are born in or that of their upbringing. In such a case the question of whether or not we are justified in inflicting pain on animals for our benefit comes down to nothing more than personal opinion and people will often defend irrational personal opinions vigorously.

If we contrast this with the unchanging truth of The Bible then our problems are resolved. Nowhere in the Bible is eating meat condemned. Furthermore the Old Testament tells us which animals we can eat. The New Testament expanded the potential smorgasbord. Given that the bible (and therefore God) has no objection to our eating meat there is obviously no moral objection on principal.

I see that the issue of "whence morality" was raised in the debate, but that nobody wanted to talk about it.

What about animal suffering?

The Old Testament specifies that animals be bled to death. Although authorities differ on the issue, it seems likely to me that the experience is unpleasant for the animal. Consequently there is no obvious reason for us to care about animal suffering.