Zinnia

@Zinnia

Shv3ya #transphobia

I’m getting a security threat warning about that page, so I’m not going to check out the context.

I’m assuming this is a “Transwomen hate TERFs, TERFs are the keepers of the concept of true womanhood, therefore transwomen hate women” except transwoman is replaced with ‘TIMs’ (trans-identified males) or some other such term and TERFs is replaced with ‘feminists’.

Which is silly and delusional. I’ve been to some women-only events and usually there’s at least a transwoman or two present. Nobody makes a big deal of it. I’m sorry that the very existence of transfolk is an attack on your concept of womanhood, but you don’t get to define it for everyone else.

Various NetEase commenters #homophobia

A decade later, Taiwan allows same-sex marriage.

You lose.

Guuse (originator of the Copypasta) #transphobia

I fully support people uploading their minds into autonomous vehicles, if they truly believe they’d enjoy life more that way. I’d hope that by the time that was possible, there’d be no need for an attack anything due to the end of warfare, but otherwise, I feel for you, helicopter dude.

Wait, you weren’t serious? Fuck off then.

According_Surround #sexist

ABORTION4MINORITIES #transphobia

There’s more than one way to be straight. It turns out that for some people, genitals don’t play a strong role in attraction. For others, they do. There’s no universal experience of sexuality, regardless of one’s orientation.

hl100orsmth, BluePillProfessor #sexist

Yeah, rape fantasies are a thing… but so are revenge fantasies. If common fantasies were really a justification for real-world behavior, then I’d advise you to tread very carefully.

freakinasuit #wingnut #psycho

wear down the government and force a treaty.

…A treaty with what entity? “Inceldom” is not a unified movement, nor does it have any leaders or negotiators. And even if it were realistic for incel groups to join forces with “paramilitaries”, there are no meaningful incel groups, just a bunch of widely scattered individuals whining on the ‘net. Work on that first before making grandiose plans.

Also, as long as you’re using the idiotic greek alphabet tiers, “beta rebellion”? Betas are normies. You’re omegas. The phrase “beta rebellion” is a redpiller concept in which the majority of men “realize” we’ve been living in a matriarchy all along, and then revolt and enslave women as is “natural”. You’d still lose out under their scenario.

CuckCuckITChicken #sexist #psycho

Unknown commenter #sexist

In some places, women can’t rape men, or at least not from a legal perspective, unless they also have full trans rights, in which case it can only happen if a non-op transwoman rapes a non-op transman. Because there are still archaic laws around where it only counts if it’s peen-in-vaj, though generally you can still get people for a (usually) lesser crime of “sexual assault”.

That being said, I don’t think that’s what they’re referring to. More likely it’s a “men are always willing” and/or “women are too weak to try” thing.

Jesse Lee Peterson #sexist

Incel Wiki #crackpot

An incel was going around wearing clown makeup, spraying people in the face with seltzer water, and whining about how nobody liked him and how unfair it was. Most people avoided him as some kind of malicious troll, or threatened him if he didn’t stop, but one day Becky decided to risk engaging him.

“You know, if you would just stop with that creepy clownface and stop spraying people, maybe they’d like you more,” she said.

“Nobody cares about that! Everyone hates me because I have thick ankles! You hate me because I have thick ankles too, you superficial slut!” he whined back.

Becky was confused, and this confusion was evident on her face. “But you always wear pants. I’ve never seen your ankles. I don’t think anyone else has. Why would they hate you for something they don’t even know about?”

“You are a liar and deserve to be raped!” spat out the incel, and sprayed her in the face and ran away. And he lived miserably ever after, but at least his delusions remained safe. Once again proving that all incels are fundamentally clowncels.

Lady Checkmate #fundie

There are a lot of people wishing that the Hurricane would hit Mar-a-Lago, only to get attacked for it on the grounds that Trump would barely be harmed by it compared to most of the other people living in the affected areas of Florida, so you’re effectively wishing suffering on Floridians for petty revenge reasons involving someone who isn’t even from Florida. This particular argument is mostly coming from a small portion of the left, not the right. The response from the right is more like Lady Checkerboard here. There has been some toning it down to “I know it would be unrealistic, but it would be nice if it would hit Mar-a-Lago and nowhere else”, but apparently that’s not much better.

I’m ambivalent whether that’s something which needs to be called out or not, but regardless, Checkerboard’s way isn’t how you do it.

Time_Barracuda #conspiracy #transphobia

Considering the conversational shift happened over a period of a few years (2012-2015) due in a large part to a handful of celebrities and models coming out to the public as trans (Caitlyn Jenner and Lana Wachowski are the ones people mostly still remember) that’s one hell of a psyop.

angrymess #sexist

@Passerby: I read some of the discussion and it doesn’t seem like that at all. It seems to be mostly women who are concerned that some women who were sexually abused as children or teenagers adopt the label “asexual” due to the fact that anything involving sex is now traumatic to them. And by embracing that label, they avoid getting whatever help they need to heal that trauma. I’m pretty sure that’s not really a thing, and some of what they’re saying does seem to be tinged with acephobia and/or ignorance of asexuality, so there’s that.

[Added] I read further down and some of them doubted asexuality was even real or referred to it as “attention whoring” or similar, so there’s definitely some acephobia in there.

Bleachcel and unnamed fratscum #sexist #psycho

mylifeistrash #fundie

Stop punching yourself in the brain, it doesn’t actually work to make it tougher.

Gants #sexist

At this point, what isn’t a “cope”?

lolicelle #fundie

@Chloe: Original scripture said she was an almah (young maiden), not a virgin, so probably something like 13-16. Regardless, it is a tradition in some branches of Christianity to consider her to be around that age range, and also a virgin.

prefershortmenteehee #homophobia

hunnidonmawrist #sexist

“Nobody cares about my paaaaaiiiiin, so I’m going to take petty revenge on random easy-to-target strangers” Part some really big number.

Sparrow's Song #fundie

Wow, this Hegesias dude sounds depressed as all fuck. You shouldn’t, like, take life advice from severely depressed people. That’s a good way to end up with a bad case of the deads.

Oh, wait, that’s the point. Carry on then. Or don’t.

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia

Given what she’s said in the past, “I will not let anyone bully you” needs to be appended with “when you come out as ex-gay”. That would still be messed-up, but at least it would be honest.

Various idiots #sexist #conspiracy

Female superheroes have existed since the dawn of superhero comics. Granted, I suspect that the very first one (Hawkwoman) was more of a sidekick role at first, though sidekicks are still superheroes in themselves. And they weren’t exactly common until the 1960s. But they’ve always been there. Some have even been popular.

Now it’s true that the “mass audience” superheroes have largely been limited to Batman, Superman, and Spiderman for the longest time. And even in the early days of the DCU and MCU they’ve been focusing on the largely white male “legacy characters”, but that has played out and they’re focusing more on the second-tier characters. Which have a lot of women and minorities, and most of them have been fairly popular since before most of today’s comic fans were even born, and still are.

Just because you’re clueless about something which isn’t aimed at you doesn’t mean that it doesn’t already have an audience, or that it’s a conspiracy to push values you don’t share onto the general public. It’s really egocentric to assume so.

Andrew Anglin #wingnut #racist

I’m pretty sure that if the South had been committing overt genocide it would have been a different story. …Is what I would like to say, except both sides genocided native americans, so I don’t know. It was a different time, is all I can say.

Also the Confederacy has always been largely considered the bad guys and the main reason why Confederate symbolism was tolerated as long as it was is mostly due to cultural inertia.

Wingman68 #fundie #racist

That kind of “separate/different but equal” attitude, when it gets serious political credence, always ends up with one group defining and enforcing an “equal” which is anything but in the eyes of the others. Permitting diversity while reserving the right to a superficially benevolent intolerance isn’t actually helpful.

völkischpower #fundie #racist

Some notes and responses:

1. The cultures you revere freely polluted their environment. The main reason why it was to a lesser extent than modern times is because they didn’t have access to modern technology.

2. The “virtuous” nature you ascribe to those cultures were mostly an upper-class thing; the lower classes engaged in all manner of practices (which ones depends on the culture and which subsets of the lower classes) you’d consider “degenerate” unless it was harshly punished/forbidden. (And occasionally, even then…) My general impression of medieval India was that such “degeneracies” were mostly tolerated because dharma* was considered a luxury the lower classes couldn’t afford. I can’t speak to other times or places, though.

*Dharma is usually translated as “virtue”, but the actual concept is more complex than that.

3. Every culture has had a way of dealing with people who are too disruptive or aren’t “pulling their weight” (however that is defined), and occasionally, “excess males”. Usually this is extremely harsh and eventually fatal. Of course it was people like you who were subject to this unless you had some other form of social privilege, not the ones you hate.

4. Nude protest is only a thing in places where people generally have unhealthy attitudes about the human body. I was going to end this with “I’m just saying” except I just realized some people would interpret that wrong. So I’ll spell it out: treating the body as a thing to be hidden for “moral” reasons is a form of neuroticism, and nude protest would not be nearly as attention-grabbing in an environment where that neuroticism couldn’t be triggered.

William Rockwell #transphobia

Dude, that particular video is about as fair as Natalie is ever going to present the views of people like you. It made me a little uncomfortable, but if meeting the likes of you partway is what it takes to pull you out of the howling void, then I support what she does. Not necessarily you personally of course. Some of you are a lost cause.

HighIQPakiCel #sexist

The reason why having a daughter is the ultimate cuckoldry in the eyes of an incel - because you’re providing for a feeemale who won’t fuck you and will eventually go and have sex with another man.

…yeah.

Reynolds #pratt #fundie

This isn’t Charles Darwin. This is Darwin, the boogeyman who exemplifies the fears of people who flunked biology and evolution.

Miata667 #transphobia

@Citizen_Justin: Some transpeople with same-gender cis partners choose to suffer through it in order to have kids, especially if adoption isn’t a likely bet. That being said, it’s usually way harder for transmen, so it’s fairly rare, and I’ve never heard of any transman becoming pregnant more than once.

Andrew Anglin #homophobia

…Yes?

And also ice cream. Don’t forget ice cream.

Donald Trump #god-complex

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia

As far as I can tell, there are 4 types of “ex-LGBT” folks:

1. Attention-seeking trolls who were, with rare exceptions, never what they claim to have been.
2. Kinsey 5s (homoflexible) or homosexual but biromantic people who searched long and hard and finally found someone of the opposite sex whom they can genuinely be with.
3. People who were traumatized, sometimes self-inflicted, into dissociating with their sexual/gender identity. This usually doesn’t last; eventually most become ex-ex-whatevers.
4. People who screwed up in figuring out their identity and stuck with the wrong thing for awhile before realizing that they screwed up. It happens. Alternately, if they have fluid identities with very long phase changes, they might not realize yet that they’re fluid and that their current cis-hetero status is temporary, and thus are still screwing it up.

#1 Should be given the benefit of the doubt unless it’s really, really obvious. #2-#4 are sad in different ways, but that doesn’t make their feelings and experiences any less genuine. The key here, however, is that some on the religious right are promoting their stories as speaking for all LGBTQIA+ people. *This* is the bulk of the “censorship” these types complain about - people who know better saying “no, you/they do not speak for most of us/them”. That’s called “pushback”, and when it happens in large enough volume, can feel like a form of censorship.

Throwawayacct8890 #sexist

Tinder isn’t the best place to be looking if you’re looking for more than superficial.

Then again, incels don’t have anything more to offer than the superficial and they fuck even that up.

MedwedianPresident_3 #sexist #homophobia #wingnut #crackpot #conspiracy

Kajm #wingnut

Admittedly, liberals did fear for themselves or others when Trump was inaugurated, in a way that even Reagan or Bush Jr. didn’t inspire. It appears that the main reason why most of those fears have been overblown is because Trump is an incompetent dumbass on a level far beyond Reagan or Bush Jr..

It’s not like conservatives have never had overblown fears either. How many decades now have Democrats not been taking your guns away?

Kajm #wingnut

I’m not sure nationalism is really rising… at least in terms of popularity. It certainly is uprising in some places, but that’s not the same thing - uprisings also occur when a shrinking minority is threatened with existence failure.

Incel Wiki #crackpot

reg509 #sexist

I don’t think the dude, who by incel standards is a bizarre hybrid of Chad and incel, was actually meant to be either. It’s just playing into the “dude who tries to be suave but is comically inept at it” trope. Which in itself is sometimes problematic, depending on how it’s handled, but it has nothing to do with you.

Over4Mexicels #sexist #psycho

I’m guessing the inspiration for this is “at least most women won’t get to fuck Chad, and if I’m lucky I’ll get a girl, she’ll be as hideous as me but at least that’s something?” And then - not that this was ever going to come out in a good way - it came out in a way which confuses hardcore misogyny with compassion.

Cuyen #racist #sexist #psycho

Angerfist #fundie #pratt

What you call “inconsistency”, we call “nuance”. Also, I’d like to hear your take on why different levels of forgiveness appear to be offered to leaders (most), followers (some), and outsiders (none) when someone violates far-right christian ideas of morality.

RegisterUserName #sexist

None of these are original ideas among the incel “community”, though I am always amused by the “start a cult” suggestion. If you had the drive and charisma to start a cult, well, you’d still probably be a garbage human, but you wouldn’t be slumming it up with incels.

@WhiteNoise: A few of them do. It doesn’t count, because… it just doesn’t, okay? No really, it doesn’t. Shut up, you stupid normie, you wouldn’t understand. 🤷‍♂

Vermilioncore #sexist #psycho

Eh, I’ve seen so many weird fetishes that I’m just going to write it off as just that. There’s nothing inherently hateful here, and the only questionable part is of this fantasy using someone’s hand while they’re asleep if it’s done without permission, but somnophilia and inherent nonconsent fantasies are a thing too, so I’m not going to side-eye that too much so long as it’s not seriously presented as “this is the way things should be”.

Of course, given that this is an incel fantasy, there are probably fifty additional things wrong with it, but from what’s presented here, not really.

incels.co #sexist

Most of this is not actually terrible… if you use the non-incel definitions of words. For example “misinformation” probably means “anything which contradicts approved incel ideologies”.

saryvo #sexist #psycho

Of course. The best way to react to someone who is dealing with problems they don’t know how to deal with and isn’t presently in a state to be objective is to use violence, sometimes followed by further denying them any means to deal with it. That’s just how ordinary humans function, right?

virgin4life #crackpot

@Bastethotep: A lot of incels are varying degrees of depressed. Nothing feels real, except maybe their obsession with getting laid. There exist people for whom that disconnect between feelings and reality makes them conclude they’re thinking more objectively, but in reality, their distorted thinking makes them *less* objective in regards to some things, particularly understanding human motivations and behavior.

FACEandLMS & ClaireSp #transphobia

Something like 5-10% of people who transition either believe it was definitely a bad idea, or question if it was really worth it. So we should force the other 90-95% to live lives of quiet desperation and misery, or commit suicide, right? (yes, I know, in a sense people aren’t ever “forced” to commit suicide, but in some cases it’s a foreseeable eventuality.)

Except we live in a world where people are for the most part allowed to screw up, and are not usually protected from the consequences of the screw-up unless they’re a young, well-off white male. Your ‘concern’ is just disguised bigotry.

Nokidscel #conspiracy #racist

Urban Dictionary says that “glownigger” means government agent attempting to infiltrate a forum or image board. They “glow” (stand out) in a “how do you do, fellow kids” sort of way. Admittedly UD isn’t always a good source, but it’s better than nothing.