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Believe it! #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

(By destroying these social barriers that create hate, discrimination, and violence we help make the world a more peaceful place)

I argue that legalization would promote hate, discrimination, and violence against homosexuals. There would be lynch mobs if such a thing were legalized.

(You would preach intolerance of a group of people and how they wish to live and believe that this helps society when history has shown the opposite.)

History has shown that homosexuality destroys civilizations, such as ancient Greece and Rome. The Netherlands and Scandinavia are also starting to feel the negative affects of promoting same-sex marriage and homosexual.

Sam I Am #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(This coming from someone that forces gays to marry someone they don't love and by doing so, lie to everyone they know. How compassionate!)

More name calling (and false name calling at that). I said that I support preserving marriage between a man and a woman only but, as I explained, that does NOT mandate any behavior on their part. You are trying to distort what I said.

On a side note: I think we have gotten off the original topic so to try to get back on track, I don't think that Bush is following the Jacobian way. I think he's going his own route. It is important to remember that Bush has often disregarded conservative principles. He has enlarged government, not secured our borders, gotten us into a war that the American people in general (myself included) are leery of and managed the budget in an unconservative manner. With that said there are things that I like about him but for the most part I don't think that he's doing too good of a job. I still stand for and support conservative principles, however, and I still believe that the Republicans (generally speaking) are better than the Democrats.

Believe it! #fundie forums.narutofan.com

I understand why a man would be attracted to another man and why a woman would be attracted to another woman. It is the same reason why an adult would be attracted to a child. The reason is because it's messed up and perverted. Some people get off on doing or thinking about perverted things.

TreeofSephri #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Once again you misunderstand christianity. God gave us all free will for one purpose so that we could voluntarily love him. We were all born nonbelievers that is what makes are return to the father that much sweeter. God does not want to punish you he wants to love you but if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you then he has no choice. The bible is not without flaw but I believe that is so so that we don't complacently rely on it. The doubt created by the fallibility of the bible increases our faith.

TreeofSephri #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Atheism will always fall before Religion. All Atheist know this just as all christians should. Faith, Religion and our belief in God gives us the ability to reconcile the logical with the illogical. What you Atheist call illogical, we christians see as more than logical. What you Atheist see as impossible, we christians see as to simple. The enemy of logic is strong faith. A unshakable faith that lends a open ear to others arguments but does not shake the foundation of faith. This is how Atheism is beaten. God is coming and I want you to quote me on that. You atheist are being given too many chances and you know what I am going to keep trying. Because I love you all and I want you all to be happy. I want you all to know the happiness of Christ and to embrace you all in christian brotherhood. It hurts me that our beliefs have created a schism that only seems to further seperate us. I don't see you as my enemy and I mean it. You are not my enemy only your ideologies.

TreeofSephri #fundie forums.narutofan.com

I will tell you this. The homosexual community has a hidden agenda. They want the destruction of their enemies, religion and conservatism. What better way to destroy them by simply destroying their foundation. If gay marriage is allowed in a christian church, then all the religion based anti gay forces will crumble. Except me.

Uchiha Sasori #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[Also do you believe in hitting your wife?! (I know this has been covered, but still it is relevant)]

If one believe in such thing, that is the limit. You are not to punch kick combo the woman. The limit is a slap. And this is not to be done for no good reason.

TreeofSephri #fundie #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

Atheist ideology is a ideology of fear and denial. They hide behind their pathetic science and empty logic and ignore the true power behind the universe. It’s really sad because they are so arrogant and have absolutely no reason to be. All I have to say is this either you bow now or you bow later but you will bow. Homosexuality is considered a form of sodomy or unnatural sex. That means that if you support homosexuality you also support beastiality. Man was never meant to love other men.

Believe It! #fundie #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

(were you ever to meet a gay man and not run away you might find they're normal people like you meet everday and not intent on raping you with a piece of pipe and corn.)

I have friends who are homosexual and I know that they are normal in every other respect. They also keep their private lives to themselves and don't talk to me about what they do in the privacy of their own homes. They also acknowledge the fact that being gay is a CHOICE for them. They also show disgust at idiots that think they are arguing on their behalf when in reality they don't want same-sex marriage to be legal. They think marriage is a one man one woman union and should stay that way.

However, I am not against homosexuals. I am against same-sex marriage. Big difference. If I were against homosexuals, then I would not be considered their friend. I am against homosexuality as a deathstyle, and it is because I care about the PEOPLE who are trapped in that deathstyle. You just don't get it. You have been brainwashed to think that Christians hate people who are not like them. That is completely wrong. We have compassion for them and we try to help them. I try to witness to my friends so that they can get out of the deathstyle known as homosexuality. People like you oppress homosexual people.

Think about it. Which side tells gay people that they cannot make the choice to change, and that they have no power to change what they were born as? Your side. Which side tells them that they have free will and can choose to be whatever they want to be in life? My side. We are the ones that tell them that they can better themselves and live normal lives. You people are the ones trying to make it so they don't even try to change. You are the ones trying to take their hope away. You are the ones encouraging them to live in an unnatural and perverted deathstyle that produces no children and carries a high risk of viral infection and emotional problems. You're the oppressors, not us. You are the homophobes, because you are the ones that hate people enough to tell them that they were born gay and they cannot change no matter how hard they try.

Volvagiasdeath #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(You cant prove any of that as a fact. Who are you or a book to say homosexuals are going to "hell"?)

the book has been here longer than faggots, and said so, before anal-suckers, decided to ass-dick-ass lovers.
they will burn! you too for your unbelief

Believe It! #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(But what are we talking about in the US? I would say the founding fathers in the decleration of this country said

Quote: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

In that case, then yes, homosexual sex could be seen as neccecary.)

Oh well then so could bestiality. Wait, bad example. I forgot that you are openly FOR bestiality. Well then so could sex with little kids. However, all of these are unnecessary, including gay sex as I have proved elsewhere.

This is about marriage and pursuit of happiness though. Pursuit of happiness does not equal happiness. It only means freedom to seek that which will make you happy. Now of course even you will admit that this freedom has limits and restrictions. That pursuit cannot conflict with other people's happiness or freedoms. Which is why we don't have anarchy in the United States of America. Now, same-sex marriage made legal by anyone other than the voting majority infringes on this pursuit of happiness, and it does this to EVERY voter regardless of their position because it takes away their say in an institution that belongs to the public. It does not infringe on a gay person's pursuit of happiness because marriage was a one man one woman union long before homosexuals starting demanding it be changed to suit their wants. So if not being married makes them so unhappy, then they should marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else does. Everyone has a restriction on the pursuit of happiness in terms of redefining marriage to suit their wants, regardless of their sexual orientation. That restriction is that they cannot redefine something that the public owns as a whole. It must be voted on by the public and the majority will must be upheld. This is what the forefathers intended. Believe it!

And that is checkmate.

Kimi Sama #fundie forums.narutofan.com

I had a sudden revelation last night at the pub;

You know the story of the Tower of Babel, right? Humanity, united under a single tongue, tried to build a giant tower to unite earth and heaven. God thought this was rather upity, so he gave the tower a good smiting, and to punish the cheeky humans he destroyed the unified language and gave all the peoples of the earth different languages, so they'd never get together and be so irritating again.

So clearly, we have different languages because God wants it that way, which means trying to learn another language must really piss him off.

But look at the world today! Rife with multilingual people! They even try and teach it to children in school!

Clearly we must be a stop to this. I for one am extra glad I resisted all efforts to be taught French at school.

So. If you are learning or speak another language, forget it all and repent, or suffer God's wrath.

Believe it! #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(After a host of legal arguments claming that "Massachusetts judges violated the state constitution in legalizing gay marriage)

And there is the irrefutable argument! According to the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the Supreme Court had NO authority in making a ruling over a marriage issue, and they CERTAINLY had no authority in legalizing same-sex marriage! They are fascists through and through. I suspect they were bought by the gay mafia. In fact, I am sure they were, since the lawsuit was filed by several gay couples who wanted to get married and carried out by, that's right, GLAAD!!!

President Bush should have launched an investigation, and taken action to prevent the high appeals court from blocking the appeal to take it to the Supreme Court. He also should have sent the IRS to breath down the necks of those four prostitutes in the Supreme Court and audit them to see if there were any large sums of money that could not be accounted for. Believe it!

fencingmatt #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Paedophiles can't help being attracted to children and many avoid sexual contact with them altogether. Those who have sex with a child after the child gives consent are not acting immorally. As a libertarian, I believe that free will is the most important factor of morality. Those who say that paedophilia is wrong without having any idea why they think that, other than because they have been taught to think it by society, are usually very ignorant and closed-minded individuals.

Sam I Am #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[So are you going to hold a funeral for every miscarraige? Don't forget about the eggs that are fertilized but fail to implant.]

Now we're just going to the extreme. Doesn't the body have a way of taking care of some cases like that. In others then I see nothing wrong with burying the body of the child.

[The embryo was never "taken out". They're grown in petri dishes. If they're not used in research, they get incinerated. What do you think is better?

It won't be a potential anything - not all of the embyos get adopted.]

It was taken out, taken out of it's mothers body. Even so it is still a child that has been sentenced to death by having been taken out. Now there is nothing that can be done except show at least a little respect and prevent any additional death sentences. I think there was some thread earlier that said they have found a way to get stem cells without harming a baby. So long as it really doesn't do any harm and that they don't remove the child and put it in a petry dish or something like that, why can't we just do that?

Sam I Am #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[It's only going to become a child after nine months of pregnancy and birth.]

No, it becomes a person right at conception. Think about it. The egg inside the mother will just sit and do nothing if left alone. Nothing changes about it, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop, etc. The moment it is fertilized something wonderful happens, then the growth, the development and all the other wonders of life start to happen. "Oh, it's just a clump of cells" doesn't work. A clump of cells that isn't alive won't do anything. The fact that the embryo is growing and developing proves it is alive.

Concerning stem cell research, the embryo should not have been taken out in the first place because the moment it was removed that little child was sentenced to death. I think it would be best now to treat them as any other human and give them a proper burial as much as possible.

baconbits #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(Note: This is part of a formal debate)

Euthanasia is suicide and sucide is indeed selfish. Suicide is focusing solely on your own circumstances and on your own pain to the degree that you don't want to put up with life anymore. Its the crowning achievement of selfishness.

Everyone lives with pain, so at some point you must force some people to live in pain. Pain is something that defines living and life, therefore every life will contain some pain.

Even if you accept your premise, there must be an amount of pain that is not justified and an amount of pain that is. Getting sunburn for you non-black people is painful, yet we would agree that sunburn is no justification for euthanasia. At some point there has to be a distinguishment between pain you have to live with and pain that justifies euthanasia even if we accept all of your previous arguments.

Secondly, there is a social duty to live if you in fact have social duties to fulfill. There have been many tales of soldiers who could have given up on life but instead lived through excruciating pain to fulfill some social obligation. The runner of Marathon comes to mind. So even then there are some cases that there is a social obligation.

Thirdly, wallowing in self pity to the point where you focus solely on your pain rather than anything else once again points out the selfish nature of suicide. Sucide focuses solely on the person who contemplates or does it, and hardly anyone else without the prism of "me, me, me".

nihongofreak12389 #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(Yet another fundie opposed to embryonic stemcell research)

you claim an embryo is nothing but a clump of cells grouped together, well look down at yourself thats all you are as well albeit you are several trillion cells but its the same its just as human in when the sperm and egg join as it is when it is born and grows into an adult. and once they start sanctioning it to be okay with embryos then whats to stop them from going further, it would be slow and may not happen but once people got used to embryos being killed as acceptable then the next step wouldnt seem so bad just like embryos dont seem so bad to some people now, i could give u some more evidence but its late and i just got home from work and am not thinking to clearly right now

ElChupacabra #fundie forums.narutofan.com

I don't know if you meant the logical fallacies list or not, but, if you did...

Please, please, please no.

Those are like guns: to be used very, very rarely by only the most responsible of individuals (yourself included, probably). Being able to analyze an argument and discover which "then" clauses don't follow from their "if" counterparts and to identify the author's assumptions, among many other things, are much sounder than being able to say "ElChupacabra is making a Slippery Slope" or the like. Honestly, I think all of those fallacies can be reduced to three or four: B does not follow from A, a probability is not a certainty, incorrect facts, and "Strawman!"

Hate to rant like that, but from the first time I was taught the "logical fallacies list" in high school, I thought it had to be one of the educational establishment's dumbest moves in my lifetime. In any case, if people say you need to improve yourself as a debater, learning that list will probably have only the result of making you an infinitely more annoying opponent.

MartialHorror #fundie forums.narutofan.com

HyugaHinata has a history of stereotyping people based on religion and/or political stance. He also likes to make pro-choicers look all good and prolifers look like assholes. [...]

It's really not a matter of who is right or who is wrong. It's how people percieve it to be. HH agreed it's a living being but not human. I don't think people go from non-human to human.

Anyway, abortion doesn't bother me as much as how it is used. People who abuse abortion should be treated like people who abuse sex(rapists). They are less than people to me.

MartialHorror #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(Imagine yourself to be an Egyptian, and these people come in and start terrorizing your town and causing all sorts of horrible things to happen, would YOU mark your door? If so would it have been out of fear, or because you honestly believed their claims?)

1)If a certain person does evil things, such as murder, ect, you have lost the right to live in my eyes. if an entire race is that way, it's the same. Without religion, there is no right or wrong. It's all based on how we see things. As you see it as wrong, I don't, making this pointless to debate. God wouldn't need to prove his reasons because 1) If he is God, he knows and is right. 2) That was not the point of the story, 3) It was common knowledge what they did back then.

nInE-tAiLeD-f0x #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(God is a different story. he created everything to exist. He created the law of everything. he gave "us" the freedom to do as we wish.
He created Satan for whatever reason. He allowed Satan to do as he wished. If god was THAT omnipotent he could just blast Satan out of existance but why doesnt he?
What purpose does Satan serve other then torturing man kind?)

Satan was an angel but wanted more power that he couldn't have so he made his little base(HELL) and became a fag..

narudown #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

(Actually homosexuality does catch on, check out the Romans for instance. It was literally culturally expected that men had several lovers; wives were almost strictly there to make babies and carry on the name.)

However I will list some other societies:

The Greeks
Sodom and Gomorah
Ancient India
The American Indians
(For more feel free to google it.)

History proves the moral degredation that occurs from it and furthur destroys the argument of "oh, it'll never catch on".
By the way, I asked whether or not people on the opposition were actually concerned with the catching on thing and I recieved the response I thought I would. Basically, they don't care if it catches on or not. Well, my point is that history does destroy any argument stating that homosexuality when permitted does catch on and history furthur destroys any argument stating the homosexuality doesn't degredate society. (Again, research it if you don't believe me)

baconbits #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Its my opinion that civilian deaths are irrevelent. Once you have committed to commencing military action you have resigned yourself to the conclusion that violence is the answer, that there will be killing, and that you will attempt to use your violence in such a manner as to inflict it disproportionately on the other side. If you haven't reached that conclusion why go to war?

In the same vein of thought, I think its foolish to judge whether you should engage or disengage a war do to casaulty numbers. Once you have committed to going to war, you have resigned yourself to the fact that you will sustain some casaulties. So why even judge what you will do according to such an arbitrary number as civilian deaths or military casaulties?

In my mind going to war is a serious decision, that once reached, is not the realm where shakiness and double-minded wavering can exist. Once you go to war you must achieve your objectives or submit to failure.

fieryfalcon #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[You're making false assumptions - not everyone has that kind of willpower (To resist teenage sex), and many teenagers certainly don't.]

Just like fat people can't resist eating, smokers can't resist smokers, drinkers can't resist the sauce, murderers can't resist going all stabbie, rapists can't resist violating people. For serious crimes people who can't resist their harmones or urges or whatever we put them in jail. For ordinary people who can't resist their mundane urges we do nothing because they only hurt themselves. Not that I actually believe anyone out there can't resist their urges. This kind of troublesome premarital sex has risen over the years which means that previously they controlled their urges and presently they do not. That means cultural changes are to blame, not some overwhelming genetic urge.

ElChupacabra #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Reduction of rape? Not bloody likely, considering all the "it's never the woman's fault" rhetoric thrown around all the date-rape shit I've been forced to attend as an 18-year old male. The best way to reduce rape is for women not to go out with the intention of getting hammered, and not to tease the single most poweful desire in impaired males. However ethically nice it may seem to create a sacrosanct right to get smashed and play with men's desires, it's doing a generation of young girls a disservice to tell them that such behaviors shouldn't increase their risk of getting raped, because they do increase the risk. When self-righteous women's rights rhetoric turns into bad advice, that's when it pisses me off.

narudown #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[How exactly does gay marriage harm heterosexual rights]

I do think though that before I go I need to make one thing clear: defining marriage as being between a man and a woman only does not force gays to not be gay as I have heard many liberals say. It merely states that we are not obligated to recognise it. To be honest, the only forceful thing is that those who oppose it are being trying to be forced by law to recognise it. That's what would happen wouldn't it. We would have no legal choice correct. Isn't that a volation of my rights. Well, I digress.

Wander #fundie forums.narutofan.com

One would wonder if these depictions of God as "evil" were so damaging, why would they be in the Bible in the first place? Shouldn't they have edited them out to make God look good? They didn't for one reason: God will fight for you. If you are ever in trouble, God will help you fight your way out if you love Him. The Israelites loved God, so when they had to go to war, God helped and fought for them.

Wander #racist forums.narutofan.com

["Your god does have many things in common with the Nazis, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not."]

NAZI - Hitler wanted a master race and wanted to create a German empire that would rule Europe. The master race was made of blond, blue-eyed, Germans and all other were considered inferior including ones with disabilities, other ethnic backgrounds, and the Jews.
God - God had a chosen people that founded the nation of Israel. He sent down His Son that started the conversion of the gentiles (non-Jews). God welcomes all peoples into His Kingdom no matter what race, culture, background, disability, or anything else that sets peoples apart.

NAZI - Hitler built concentration camps where they experimented on, burnt, starved, shot, and gased innocent Jews and other peoples considered inferior. They had done no wrong and the countries of the world went to war with Germany.
God - Ordered the Israelites to wage war on peoples He was angry at for commiting ugly sins. These peoples also wanted to destroy the Israelites and corrupt them with their sinful ways.

Strider2k #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Going by that argument though, wouldn't it be more logical to kill the mother, who has now put both her's and her childs life in danger of being horrible and unlivable simply by not taking proper precautions to avoid said predicament, rather then killing an "unthinking bunch of cells" that might actually do something with it's life? I mean lets face it, even scientifically speaking, you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child. So simply becuase it's in a lesser stage of developement it no longer has rights? And I'll be honest, I think people who are making the decision on when "life is life" and when it's "Just a group of cells" must think they have Godlike knowledge, to make a decision like that. Society makes me wonder sometimes :/

heavy_rasengan #fundie #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

(To a gay male poster)

Are all homos as stupid as you? Actions arnt a bad thing? Use more logic in that and point out what actions you are refering too because you can't possibly mean all actions but I'm assuming that your brain capacity does not exceed a gr.2 so it can be possible for you to say that. Apparently 3.9 billion people care about what my god says. ( I am refering to Christianity, Islam and Judasm combined)

Listen kid, go get some education and then come debate with me because debating on your level will be both a waste of time for me and you and Im sure you don't want to waste your time because there is alot of little boys for you to bang on.

Tsu #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Once again, I would think a 22 year old to show more maturity and better debate skills. Only Christianity considers Christianity to be the One, True Religion because it IS. Give me excerpts from other books claiming themselves to be the one, true religion.

Tsu #fundie #psycho forums.narutofan.com

I haven't read that part yet, so I wouldn't know. However, God is God. He created man, therefore he can erase man as well. It's mankind who is messing around with death. Think of it this way: If somebody spent 5 years and ten million dollars making a beautiful clay sculpture, would it be illegal for the creator himself to destroy it? No, as he has a purpose of doing so, but that action would be illegal for somebody else.

Wander #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[Apparently unaware of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi" target="_blank">Codex Hammurabi</a> (1780 BC), codex of Ur-Nammu (ca. 2050 BC), the Codex of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC), and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC).]

Ask any scholar of religion and he or she will tell you that the Ten Commandments are the most unique laws of the ancient world. You won't find any laws like them anywhere else.

Sublime #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Yes, but I think the gay couples should be tested if they are suitable for having children. If they are only gay in sexual preference and can handle raising a child in a normal way then sure.

If they are uber gay, then no. Not even orphan children. By uber gay I mean you can tell they are homosexuals just by looking at them.

Wander #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Moral reasons why evolution and survival of the fittest is wrong:

10. You get into a car accident and it's your fault. The car you hit is totalled. You don't have to pay damages because your car was more fit to survive.
9. You get into a car accident and it's your fault. Someone dies. You don't have to pay damages because you were more fit to survive.
8. There should be no doctors. If your immune system can't stomach a virus, you're not fit to survive. The poor and the starving shouldn't be helped because they're also not fit to survive.
7. We can have sex with anyone and everyone because we're helping the human race reproduce.
6. Stealing is acceptable.
5. Murdering and killing is acceptable.
4. There's no such thing as responsibilty. It's everyone to the last man.
3. Life has no meaning besides helping my race evolve.
2. We are animals.
1. There is no such thing as right and wrong. There is no such thing as morals.

Wander #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Well, Mr. Atheist, you've got me cornered. I'll admit that. I do not, however, admit defeat. The fact that I am aware and I can imagine is proof enough that there is a God. As J. R. R. Tolkien said, the imagination brings one closer to the Divine.

As for the wolf-kid, there was another incident like that in France. A boy lived in the woods for 13 or so years and was finally found. They taught him social things and manners, but he never fully became a "regular person". I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God. [...]

I think your "extrapolation" for the non-existence of God is more ludicrous.

heavy_rasengan #fundie #homophobia forums.narutofan.com

Actually not only Christians and Homosexuals. I would definitly add Islam in there for they despise homosexuality more than Christians and will always despise it. In many Islamic countries, you can go to jail for performing Homosexual acts and in some of the extreme countries, maybe even death. The homosexuality act and marriage should be completely destroyed and removed from our society. It’s actually pathetic that it is still around.

Anti-Geek #fundie forums.narutofan.com

I answered your question about three times: you can't compare being from a different race to freely chosing a deviant behaviour. Racism is against humans rights.

So the employer should hire the black or female no matter what.

Homosexuality is deviant, simply because its unconfortable for most people. Thats what makes an act deviant or not. Something that isn't accepted by society.

Men & Women. Is it so hard to comphreend that they both match? If you have a different behaviour from a natural one, then you can't force others to accepted it.

Would you accept and wish for society and employers to grant the same rights to a man who eats shit? If you don't you are discriminating him as a shit eater.

Why can't people expose themselfs in public? Why is it wrong? Why isn't kissing a person from the same gender wrong?

Raping a dog is as bad as owning it. You don't have the permission from the dog yet you own them as things. If that's accepted why not accept a man who wants to marry him? Its all about individuality isn't it? Dogs aren't protected by legal rights. Only moral ones. And immorality is a freedom thanks to deviant behaviours supporters.

One guy one girl = natural. Two gay guys protected by law raising a kid = WRONG. Gays trying to force people to accept their style of life = wrong. Society punishing people who don't accept non natural behaviours = wrong.

son_michael #fundie forums.narutofan.com

[On the true meaning of religious freedom]

wow, I'ts amazing...someone actually knows that america is based on god!! its got to be a first, america was a land our forefathers found because of god and as such they dedicated the land to god. I bet you guys dont know that the freedom of religion we have has been altered, originally the freedom of religion meant we were free to worship god any way we want, such as worship him like a pentecostal or worship him like a quiet bible thumper, we were free to worship the 1 true god any way we wanted but now thats all changed and now the freedom we have is to worship any god we want

if our forefathers could come back to life, they would probably be sick to there stomachs in what america has become because of people giving in to there fleshly wants, 1 things for sure, they would not allow homosexuality or any thing thats against the 1 true god and that includes worshiping other gods

Chaos Sayajin #fundie forums.narutofan.com

['The biblical god is depicted as a genocidal maniac, killing children and babies who were 'wicked' according to him.']

The thing is, our God is a just God, one that cannot allow sin. The people he destroyed in the flood were Murderers, Rapists, Scoffers, and many others. That world was destroyed because of their disobedience to God, and this one will soon end as well, because of the state of it.

Before you decide to call my God a killer, why don't you consider that you wouldn't even exist if it weren't for him.

Chaos Saiyajin #fundie forums.narutofan.com

Abortion is nothing but a modern day holocaust. Abortion is killing, no matter what nice name you give it. In no way can abortion be justified ever, if the woman is raped, give the child up for adoption. If the child is diseased, at least let it live for the time it can, God has a plan for every living being. It's dumbasses like people in congress who think they are better than God that are killing an entire generation.

Are we any better than Hitler?

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