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Skillganon & Janissary #fundie christianforums.com

(Topic: Sharia Law punishment and death sentence under it.)

Skillganon: ... but ultimately punishment is carried out because it is commanded so.

Janissary: Yes, and need there be any other reason? Is not being commanded by God sufficient reason?

[By-Stander] - (Interrupts telling them that perhaps their interpretation could be wrong and that common sense could tell them that such harsh punishments/death sentense under Sharia Law aren't necessary.)

Janissary: Well, of course I'll examine scripture. But once it is clear what God commands, what reason can there (from a religious perspective) be not to obey?

supersport #fundie christianforums.com

Most of today's science is a joke....science is run by a bunch of chance-loving atheists who have constructed an intellectual moat around themselves -- this moat disallows the free-flow of any information that contradicts the basic dogma they have constructed for their made-up, Sesame-Street-like fairytale world.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

[Yes actually. How many Christians do you know that put their wives outside the city when they're menstruating, or even follow the dietary laws in Leviticus?]

Are you married? I think that is pretty good advice to put your wife outside when she is "menstruating".

As far as the dietary laws. The Bible does not say anything different than science does. Do you think we should ignore the research and ignore their advise?

If you do not follow the dietary laws, you will suffer the consequences for not following those laws.

AJB4 #fundie christianforums.com

Yeah Christians in general get quite a bad name these days. I'm all for individuality, but people are becoming far too Liberal these days, to the point where one day the whole world will probably be destroyed by nuclear warfare.

Supersport #fundie christianforums.com

[Apparently not, you appear to think AIDS is a gay man's disease. ]

It is a gay man's disease. The only way a regular person can catch it is if he/she sleeps with a homo.

Homosexuals have blood on their hands from all the misery they've caused from starting Aids. Back in the 80s the only people who had AIDS were homosexuals. do you deny this?

godishardcore #fundie christianforums.com

At the moment we are studying tectonic activity and my teacher claims that the plates of the earth are caused to move by convection currents in the mantle, HOWEVER my priest tells me that god is actually moving the plates!! i do not know what to believe!

is studying geography making me a bad catholic?
will i go to hell for it?

Monica02 #fundie christianforums.com

Our local newshour had a segmnet on female Cahtolic "priests" a couple of nights ago. It showed a female in vestments (pretending to be) celebrating Mass and identified her as a "Roman Catholic Priest".

I was so repulsed by the sight I had to turn away and not look at the "mass". I know the orders were not valid and that the news was badly mistaken in their report. I am troubled by my own emotional reaction. I can look at some pretty gory and repugnant sights and not have to turn away.

CAn anyone offer some explanations as to why I reacted the way I did. DOes anyone else react that way when they see a "female priest" celebrating "mass"?

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

4 Reasons against Evolution

1. NOT ENOUGH TIME
*Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.

2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
*Genesis 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
*Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
*Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

ONEGod #fundie christianforums.com

Liberals insisted that abortions were a "right" (certainly not for the baby involved) then demanded the public (Feds) pay for it.
Liberals insist that embroyonic stem cell research must be made legal, except it already is commonly legal. What they want/demand is the public (Feds) pay for it.
In both cases i think they desire that the blood of the innocent be upon the nation to incur the wrath of God

Bookofknowledge #fundie christianforums.com

[When questioned if he loved or hated homosexuals]

Why should I Love them?

the way I see it, Don't you think they in-directly hate Life? Imagine a town with all homosexuals and no new child is born to become a doctor and no outsiders visit that town then the life-span of that town will be gone within a matter of year.

Infact the whole town will be dead only if the doctors of that town are gone...

It's a greater risk to humanity at large and it's a Major factor is that it's a SIN.

May Allah protect us all and make us love a new born child who has the potential of becoming a doctor, etc... (new life)....

gracechick #fundie christianforums.com

[Giving advice to a woman whose 3-year-old daughter throws temper tantrums all the time]

Is there anything in your house or your life that could have drawn unclean things in?
& if you believe in generational curses as I do...seeking the Spirit about them for you & your spouse's family line might be another direction to go.

Ultimately her parents will be the ones that can truely sense whether this is coming from the natural realm of the supernatural realm

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

A womens hair is given to her for a covering. I attended a church where some of the more devout younger women had long thick hair. It really was beautiful when they would go to the alter to pray. Their hair was a covering, to show their modesty. Just like they wore modest clothing that covered them. Of course not all women are that devoted to God and it is not our place to judge them.

Isaiah talks about "haughty" women and how God will make them bald. I wonder sometimes if the reason people have problem with thin hair or their hair falling out is because they have a problem with being haughty, arrogance or with pride in some way.

susanann #fundie christianforums.com

Ummmmm, I believe it is the males who have been the (oppressed) minority group for at least the past 100 years.

Women outnumber men, and therefore it is women who have effective control over our government, our laws, our courts, our leaders, etc.

Secondly, for the past 100 years, it is women who have the most control in raising our children, and therefore it is women who instill the values and in controllng our society and its customs and beliefs.

Little boys and little girls are taught to be who they are, taught to think like they do ----by women.

As far as shaving, makeup, plastic surgery, wearing high heels or sneakers, skirts, pants, dresses, etc, it is women who have the choice to to do so or not, men are prohibited by society's rules( put into place by women) from doing such things.
[...]
Males have extreme limitations on what jobs they can have, what they can wear, and what their appearance can be by the rules women have set down in our society. Women can do any job, and wear anything she wants to wear.

Women control over 60% of our nations wealth.
[...]
Women also live longer than men and inherit everything.

dad #fundie christianforums.com

[Is heaven on top of the big cloud made of gold?]

No, it is on top of earth, and is about the size of the moon. An interesting fact is that this moon sized object of gold will land on earth. If a moon tried it now, gravity would exist, and we would be wiped out good and proper. Heavens, imagine the tides even?! That means that gravity, as we know it, just will not apply. Neither of course will decay.
Our present state of the universe, and laws of physics will be no more. That is real science 101.

lioninoil #fundie christianforums.com

[Are you saying that civil government, in a secular society, should have the authority to enforce specific theological doctrines? Would there be equally nothing wrong with a Muslim saying that everyone should be forced to live as a Muslim?]

In Saudi Arabia and Iran, everybody is required to live as a Muslim. I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same thing in America, which is a Christian nation established by Christians, for Christians. As a Christian nation, we can (and should) require everybody to live as a Christian -- or at least offer a higher class of citizenship to Christians. People who do not want to abide by established Christian beliefs and norms are free to live elsewhere.

[And there are some huge differences in what Christians believe, and how Christians live. So what kind of "Christian" should all the rest of us be forced to emulate? Should we be forced to live like the Quakers, or the Amish, or the Anglicans, or the Catholics, or the Mormons? How do you decide which kind of Christian is the "right" one?]

It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live. As an atheist, you would not know this -- but it still does not relieve you of the responsibility of living like a Christian if you are going to CHOOSE to live in a Christian society.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Oh, I am capable of having a scientific debate. I am not able to deal with people rejecting the scientific evidence, when conflicts with what they want to believe.

Showing evolution to be a evil lie is like shooting fish in a barrel...

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

["Let me add school teachers to the list of people whose integrity you insult."]

They should be insulted. But I made it very clear this is a personal vendeda. But even if my reasons are personal, I have every reason to believe that we need to protect our young people from the abuse they receive from the public school system. Also we need to protect them from the Godless, atheistic nonsense that they teach in the public school system. Like the Godless theory of evolution, for example.

Lifesaver #fundie christianforums.com

Sex is a wonderful thing, a gift of God for man.
It is a very good activity, and rightly pleasurable, since its ultimate end is one of the most noble and beautiful ones man can achieve during his life: the conception of a new person.

Man is not a mere animal. For him sex is a lot more than just a mechanical means for reproduction. This is undeniably the natural goal of sex, but it is not the only one: we speak also of the unitive purpose of sex, which is the deepening of the relationship between the married couple to a new level; a manifestation and a strengthening of the bonds of love which unite them both. In this unitive purpose, pleasure is also included; by giving and receiving pleasure from each other, husband and wife lead a happier and more fulfilling existence.

The great error of modernity with regards to sex is to separate its purposes.
On the one hand, Puritanism sought to eliminate the unitive purpose, bringing sex down to the level of a mechanical duty.
On the other, liberals seek to eliminate reproduction.

When a couple uses contraception, they are effectively frustrating the natural purpose of sexuality. And that is always a sin!

They fool themselves, believing that the unitive purpose may be fully realized without the procreative one; but that is false. Sex becomes an increasingly selfish activity, in which each partner seeks only their own pleasure, and the other one becomes a mere means for the fulfilment of their own lust. This is exactly what is happening in today's world.

Man has abandoned the procreative purpose, and the unitive purpose is being lost as a consequence.

Yes, I am against all forms of contraception, that is, the use of means which seek to frustrate the procreative end of any particular sexual relation.

LovesTruth #fundie christianforums.com

[Regarding Madonna's adoption.]

A woman who has sex outside of marriage and does not repent and change is immoral and a bad example. Ditto for a woman who degrades herself with her photos in obscene videos and books and does not repent and change. No court should inflict that kind of unfit parent upon a child. There are far too many wonderful, moral couples (one man and one woman) ready and willing and eager to adopt! And they will do no harm to their children.

God's curse rests upon those who contribute to the harm of children in my opinion. That includes politicians and judges who help make this harm possible. And God is not mocked. The Bible says that the mills of God grind slow but sure.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

[evolution has no alters]

Oh, there is a alter and they like to sacrifice women at the alter. But they will sacrifice a man ever now and then if he really bucks the system and goes up against the status quo, no matter how right he maybe.

Machjo #racist christianforums.com

[On whether the alleged use of white phosphorus by Israel in Lebanon makes the Israelis terrorists]

Zionists and terrorists are not the same. Terrorists hide behind the veil of Islam, and that's not acceptable. To hide behind the veil of Judaism, on the other hand, is a truly blessed act.

CyberCheat #fundie christianforums.com

I am not playing God, my Friend and Father. I simply know Him well and know how He would respond. If I wanted to play God, I would start making "corrections" to the Bible to make it "easier" to follow. I also might take over the world and start making the Mark mandatory and I would eventually get thrown to hell. But that's not the case here, is it? No, I am not playing God, and I haven't since my church's play in where I played His voice.

Machjo #racist christianforums.com

[Read the history of Israel. From the Hotal David incident until the present not only have there been incidents of terrorism but now the former terrorists are in power and determined that their way of doing things is the only way.]

Yeah, but it was being done in the name of Judaism, so it was OK. Now had they done that in the name of Islam on the other hand, woe to them.

revolutiongames2004 #fundie christianforums.com

by killing the baby you are implying that that Human is an Animal, is that what you are saying? an animal has no choice on whether it lives or dies, thats a humans choice, so are you saying that this soon to be born baby is an animal i think you are mistaken.

lioninoil #fundie christianforums.com

because EVE is responsible for bringing sin into the world (and not Adam) it is through women that the stain of original sin travels through every human being alive today, or has ever been alive or who will ever be alive. Men do not transmit original sin, but receive original sin by being borne of women.

For this reason, women are not allowed to teach men, or lead men, or have any authority over men in any way, shape or fashion -- because Satan knows what the weakest link to tempting man is through a woman.

lioninoil #fundie christianforums.com

[So, God is a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of guy, in your view.]

If He so chooses.

God is not beholden to our rules and our ideas of what we think is right or wrong; and it's God's prerogative to eliminate a group of people (like the Midianites, or Sodom and Gomorrah) if it suits His purpose.

angelsword #fundie christianforums.com

This is to all member of the Christiain forums, Christian and non-Christian. I want to inform you of a network (the name of which I do not know) headed by Satan and run by humans whose job it is to kill, steal and destroy!

Members of this evil network physically and spiritually attack by subtle means. They send out evil spirits to destroy your transportation, keep you in debt, make you late for work, important meetings, make it difficult for your children to maintain/obtain good grades, cause death or loss of pets, cause insomnia, slow you up in college, make promotions years over due,make you lose/misplace objects of value, put substances in your medication causing insanity or hallucinations, cause overeating, depression, stop church growth, etc.

They can negatively affect your goal orientation, your morals/morale, your peace and happiness; your life in general!

Their network is sophisticated and WORLD WIDE! They communicate just as we do by email and other means. These people occupy professions such as doctors, nurses, pre-school teachers, librarians, guidance councellors, factory workers, custodians, celebrities, authors, airline associates adn any other occupation you can think or!

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

[Stating that people believed this in the past doesn't make it correct. Many people believed that Zeus was the cause of lightning bolts a little over 2000 years ago.]

Is everything you don't understand a fairy tale to you, Chalnoth, or can you think on your own?

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

The teachers I had growing up, that did not follow the Bible, I found to be rather abusive. If they can not teach the message of the Bible, then they should at least be required to live it as a example for the students.

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

[Non-sequitor Bible verses omitted for brevity]

The Pre-Adamites; Children of Satan; N.W.O. (New World Order)

I believe there were Pre-Adamites.

Pre-Adamites were angelic beings who inhabited not only the earth, but also a temperate Venus, Mars and Rahab. Lucifier was the archangel who ruled over these worlds. He became arrogant, however, and desired more power than that which was vested in him by the Lord.

Lucifer's rebellion was met with destruction. His home planet of Rahab, which existed between Mars and Jupiter, was completely annihilated. Rahab's existence was reduced to what we know today as the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter. It is also likely God used pieces of the planet to pour out His wrath upon Venus, Earth and Mars. This would explain why evidence of catastrophe on these planets is so profound. Mars was clearly once a habitable planet; so was Venus, in all likelihood.

The Dragon is Lucifer. With his world destroyed, he and his minions were scattered. There, rebellious angels later engaged in sexual relations with the daughters of men. This resulted in a angel-human hybrid race. [...]

These fallen angels exist today as "aliens." It is my belief that these fallen beings possess technology greater than ours, including what we know as UFOs, and inhabit the inner crust of the earth. The earth is hollow. The crust of the earth is 800 to 1000 miles thick, and there is a small sun at the center of the earth. The inner-earth is (or at least was) a tropical paradise. It is quite possible Eden existed in the inner-earth. It is also quite possible Paradise (of which Jesus spoke on the Cross) is located within the earth.

The Bermuda Triangle is likely a portal into the inner-earth; this would explain the many disappearances, sightings of UFOs, and other strange occurences.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Adam and Eve in the Bible were real people and their descendants today make up 20% of Europe.

Of course that means that 80% of Europeans are NOT decended from the Bible Adam and Eve. But they were decended from the out of Africa Adam and Eve. [...]

Of course science wants to try to confuse the issue to hide that the Bible is true and that the DNA evidence shows that the Bible is true.

The Adam and Eve in the Bible were the first of a lot of different things. This is the beginning of civilization, of written history just to name a few. The Bible talks about precious metals like God and Silver. That takes us out of the stone age to be sure.

The Bible talks about farming, and that is what the neolithic revolution is all about is the beginning of farming. There is no question that the Bible as written history gives us a valuable record of some of the things that were going on in the world at that time.

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

There are two types of aliens --

1. The Watchers ("sons of God")
2. Actual extraterrestrial beings

I believe both frequently visit earth -- the former to pave way for the Antichrist, and as for the latter, I am not sure of their intentions (there are many theories). But I do know the Watchers shared the secrets of the universe with extraterrestrials -- that is why extraterrestrials are much more advanced than us! I believe world governments have been given a choice: keep UFOs a secret and permit abductions, or face swift annihilation. Perhaps the 'Signs' and 'Independence Day' scenarios aren't so far fetched after all?

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

I do not restrict my beliefs with new age "science," most of which is from the devil. Inside the Earth is paradise of which Jesus spoke on the Cross. There is a beautiful, tropical paradise within the Earth. And that's only part of it. There are also advanced civilizations, which Admiral Byrd observed during his flight over (or rather, into) the North Pole. Some of these civilizations are good; others are of the devil (they're the Children of Satan).

The ice at the northern pole is a mirage. Yes, there is a lot of ice; but there is also a hole which we cannot see. Well, not usually, anyway! I believe this hole is about 700 - 1000 miles in diameter. The crew will not be aware they're entering the hole.

Within the crust itself (in caverns) is the Abyss, where fallen angels are literally chained. Thankfully the crew will not come into contact with them.

HolyGuardianAngels #fundie christianforums.com

[What if you died and went before God and discovered that it was Allah?]

I can SWEAR on a STACK of Holy Bibles
that that ain't gonna happen . . .

ALLA sounds like a womans' NAME,
and for one thing, I don't worship WOMEN . . .

NEXT
It just so happens that
ALLA
just isn't the Maker
the Creator
or Sustainer of everything . . .

You are missing a critical POINT:

It comes down to:
Isaac and Ishmael

that's the FORK in the proverbial road . . .


With a host of other folks, I
will be going up the LADDER
STRAIGHT after Isaac


NOT
Ishmael . . .

Please reconsider . .

wanderphilos #fundie christianforums.com

[Why he thinks lesbians are okay, but gay men are sinful]

As far as the lesbian thing...I like women...I can understand how a woman can desire another woman...I had desired many a woman myself. But as I have grown in my understanding I see how things can be presented to people to ease the thoughts. Some of my friends say...Hey...Lesbians aren't really joining...so it's no differnt than if they are dating their 'personal live in pleasure doctor'.

Knowledge3 #fundie christianforums.com

We outlaw cannabis and mushrooms but yet we legalize the sale of alcohol which leads to DWI and tobacco which is known to cause cancer.

That is why the arguments for ToE has not convinced me in the laws of science and nature.

B®ent #fundie christianforums.com

The True Gospel

I would say 95% of Christians "tone down" the Gospel on a regular basis in order to avoid "offending" people. We cringe at the thought of sounding "intolerant." Some people claim we must water down the Gospel in order to draw in the unbelievers. That is to say, if we preach the Bible, they'll be "turned off." Here is my response to such heresy:

If we water down the Gospel in order to draw people into Christianity, it won't be Christianity anymore. It will be another gospel, and those people we "draw in" will be deceived by our false gospel, and will surely be condemned as a result.

Do we want to be responsible for such a thing?

Why not preach the truth boldly, and leave the rest to the sovereign God?

Why do we avoid preaching about the Judgement and the Lake of Fire when such events/places are BIBLICAL FACT?

IF WE REALLY LOVE UNBELIEVERS AS WE CLAIM TO, IS IT NOT OUR OBLIGATION TO WARN THEM ABOUT HELL?

Carico #fundie christianforums.com

(Christian Forums) Not a Christian forum

I have been warned by many people that this is not a Christian forum. And considering the fact that I am a Christian yet almost all of my threads have either been deleted or closed, I have been warned for speaking out about how I have been treated, I was banned last year for believing the bible, the posts of people slandering our Lord and others on this forum that I have reported have been rejected, and I am now banned from witnessing to atheists, I have been given numerous infractions and warnings for saying the same things others are allowed to say, I have been referred to the Appeals forum which I've been told is the only place to say anything that might not be considered flattering to the mods, yet I was told I don't have permission to access that page.

So sorry, staff, you can't keep people from telling the truth no matter how hard you try because it will only come back to you. So I will speak the truth until it's too convicting for you to hear and you ban me for good. But that can never make this a Christian forum. This kind of thing doesn't happen on atheists forums much less anywhere in America. Jesus tells us that the truth will set us free. But since no one can tell the truth here, this forum is hardly free. I feel like I;'m in Nazi Germany where it's all about power and control.

Knowledge3 #fundie christianforums.com

[The contradictions between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are a bigger problem.]

There is no contradiction. In order to explain an act of creation, you have to explain it in sequence.

For example:

1) I created an automobile. 2) I formed the metal structure of the automobile and formed it's schematics 3) Then I designed rules for how the automobile should work and special electronic chips to gauge it's speed and rate of travel. 4) Then I saw it as a good automobile.

KarateCowboy #fundie christianforums.com

Whether you believe it or not, let us say for a moment that atheistic evolution is the answer. Not only that, we'll assume that abiogenesis is true(even though we still can't reproduce it). Please, just for a minute. Let us all assume it is true.

When you mix potassium and water you get a nice explosion.

When light hits a white subject, all the colors are reflected.

When you heat water to a certain temperature it turns to vapor.

When you heat other things to a certain temperature they turn to vapor.

When you lump a bunch of proteins and amino acids blah blah blah, and add a few billion years to it you get Pokemon.

Yes, that's right, Pokemon. Pokemon are a natural phenomenon.

What I am saying is that in this universe you have all these sets of conditions where if A happens then B is the result. If atheistic evolution is true, then emotions such as love, hate, apathy, desire, lust, and ideas such as houses, cars, boxer briefs, Hooters restaurants, Pokemon, Nintendo, katanas, Western style horseback riding, etc. are all part of evolution and are inherent in the laws of the universe. Think about it. An inherent trait of carbon + water plus other junk is disco dancing and an inherent, advanced form is D&D nerds.

So, what do you think about this?

vjaine #fundie christianforums.com

I'm very annoyed by receiving forwarded "Christian" emails. They claim "send this email to 7 people and you'll get what you've been praying for" "bless 7 people in 7 minutes to receive a blessing"

For me, these emails are a form of witchcraft, not that everyone who sends them is a certified practitioner, but they have a manipulative, formulaic tone to them. Some even urge you not to throw them away or you'll miss out or something else.

strikerchris0411 #fundie christianforums.com

For Atheists

Ok how do you like these views.

How can you believe in no god if there is proof of some spirit out there.

The reason is there is wege boards. I don't know if i spelled it right, but i think yall know what i am talking about. Idk if you guys believe in those. but I have heard some pretty convincing stories. IF there was no God then there would probaly not be life after death

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