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All about the Gay Agenda

Alex Jones #conspiracy #homophobia youtube.com

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In the interval [?] the Pentagon just tested a gay bomb on Iraq, they considered it, they didn’t [?] consider using it, they used it on our troops, in Vietnam, they sprayed PCP on our troops - Jacob’s Ladder - ha - you think PCP - some horse tranquilizers or something? They got some stuff that’ll whack your brain permanently.
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Brain chips in the troops. They give the troops special vaccines that really [?] nanotech that auto[?]-re-engineers their brains.
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Now there is the gay bomb.
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Look it up for yourself, this is what do you think tap water is, it’s a gay bomb, baby.
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And I’m not saying people didn’t naturally have homosexual feelings, I’m not even getting into it, quite frankly, give me a break. You think I… I’m, like, shocked by it [?] [incomprehensible] bashing it because I don’t like gay people. I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER! THEY TURN THE FRICKING FROGS GAY!
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Do you understand that?
Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! [bangs paper on table]
Crap!
I’m sick of being socially engineered! It’s not funny!

bitawareaustralia #homophobia reddit.com

No, I couldn't. I never said that gay people CHOOSE to be gay. Please stop putting words into my mouth. I said there is zero evidence that they are BORN gay. Decades of research have yielded nothing more than "Er, maybe it's something to do with hormones in the womb, 'cos we can't find a gay gene".

Meanwhile, there's an astonishing amount of correlation between homosexuality and being abused as a child or a young teen, which is never investigated because it's politically incorrect to investigate. I can't be forced to contract a mental illness, but if I get one I can be cured by a mental health practitioner. Same applies to homosexuality.

Doug Bristow #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Members of the LGBT, that includes homosexuals, are mentally and spiritually ill and their lives are extremely unstable. That would make them prone to the abuse of others including children.

They are living a lie and living in direct violation of God's Word engaging in sexual immorality and children in that environment will be either directly or indirectly indoctrinated to live a life of sexual sin and perversion also. Those who die unrepentant in their sins, including the sin of homosexuality, will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

hecticskeptic #homophobia #quack freerepublic.com

That's not generally what happens. There have been numerous studies that support the hypothesis that homosexuality is the result family dynamics... the most common being that male homosexuals were raised by a domineering mother and a weak father who never spent time with his boy whereas female homosexuals are the result of a dysfunctional mother-daughter relationship. If this backdrop is present when perverted circumstances arise during sexually formative years, the result of a sexually perverted individual can almost be predicted.

Over the years, I have met a number of women who claimed to be lesbians and heard their stories and it seemed that all had a common denominator of sexual abuse at a young age. One day I met a young lady who told me she was a lesbian to which I asked her "so at what age was it when your mother's boyfriend started sexually abusing you?" I knew nothing about this woman's history or her parent's marital status so my question was going way out on a limb... but she replied "I was 12."

The simple explanation here is that what is referred to as lesbianism was triggered by a disgust, hatred, fear, rejection of all men based on perhaps what just one person did... but in a sense going back further, the root of it all had to do with the fact that the absence of parents with a healthy relationship created the circumstances. Are there homosexuals who came from a family background which was ideal or as close to ideal as possible? Sure... but those are far and away a minute exception and it may just be that there were serious problems, they just happened to be hidden.

mom of young patriots #homophobia freerepublic.com

I have done quite a bit of research on the root cause of homosexuality over the last couple of years, mostly to satisfy my own need to refute the “born that way” claim because that just didn’t make sense to me. I have read exact cases of what you are talking about. There are also plenty of people who site situations of bullying when they were a child. Weak, late developing children are a prime target for this from classmates.

Without an adult role model who is aware of the danger and knows the signs to watch for, the kid has no one to turn to for guidance. Combine that with our destructive mainstream cultural attitude that being gay is somehow desirable and it is no wonder that we have confused people sliding into that dangerous lifestyle.

Dr. Joseph Nicolosi was an amazing, positive force for good in the area helping homosexuals who want to heal and live normal, heterosexual lives. He, unfortunately, passed this spring from the flu, but he had a team of therapists he’d personally trained who are carrying on his work.

I hope that one of them will pick up the torch of his research. If you aren’t aware of his work, his website is still active and there are many articles that he has written that give a clear picture of homosexuality as the disease it is.

Jumper #homophobia freerepublic.com

Imagine that we pass laws to prevent off spring of mothers/grand & great-grand mothers based on government available records that are electronically available. I am sure the major drug corporations kept records of those who took their medications.

Now that we know the consequences, we can have a stealth program giving the GM (God) drugs to reverse the homosexuality with hormones.

This article is personally interesting as my youngest sister is a militant homosexual who was on hormone treatments in 7-12th grades. After marrying and having two children, her antisocial tendencies and a lousy husband worked to turn her into a sterotypical female homosexual - ugly to the point no man would touch her thus driven into the confort of others of her ilk. Sorry for the crud annology but this article strikes a chord.

Steve D. Bates #fundie #homophobia facebook.com

Not only God but it has been proven by the secular world to also be an unhealthy relationship for or I should say and healthy home life for children to be first into. Of all the various types of Home environments for children to be in but where ever studied Williams was homosexual pairs are at the bottom.

The only thing I might have rated lower, if they checked it, but I really don't think they did, would be if the home was a place where both parents abused Alcohol and Other Drugs. I believe they did take the criteria that the involved adults were non habitual drug users which would include alcohol, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

Clinton Smythers #wingnut #homophobia realjewnews.com

The way I see it, a monarchy can be good or bad depending on what the monarch’s priorities are.

Naturally, if its about divine right as he says, then the monarchs priorities are just to himself and the people serve him.

But if his priorities are to be moral and is determined to serve the people, then it is by definition superior to any other for of government because he can not be bought, he can not be corrupted, he will not give into pressure, which is essential for a long lasting stable society where bad things in the country are uprooted just as soon as they gain root.

You know, as an example the West complains and moans that “Russia has banned homosexuals,” but in reality you are allowed to be homosexual.

You are just not allowed to express it in public or promote it in any way shape or form, which makes perfect sense since homosexuality isnt natural and should never be promoted because no one should have to see it period.

What people do in their bed rooms in thier spare time, I could care less about; but when they push their way of life onto others away from what is natural then that’s what I take an issue with.

The part about homosexuals where I draw the line is No — they should not be allowed to adopt children; No — they should not be able to hold hands and kiss in public and do other things homosexuals do; No — they should not be allowed to get married; and No — they should not be allowed all the same rights as heterosexuals period.

Matt Parrott #wingnut #homophobia altright.com

My eternal instinct to empathize and attempt to be an altruist has pulled me over the years to try to find some way to excuse the homosexual nationalist. I ask myself, "What if I were a sexual queer? Would I not still be a sincere nationalist despite that?"

I've tried to construct this artifice of there being the "good ones" and the "bad ones."

Every time, I've been made an ass of as they repeatedly prove to be more of a self-amused and ambitious tightly wound clique of men who vehemently pursue a fixed anti-Christian, anti-family agenda than what I would like to imagine; decent men struggling with a specific incurable psychopathology. Part of it is perhaps on account of what draws homosexuals into nationalism and what that entails for their priorities.

For them, it's an attractive opportunity to gentrify their social and sexual circles, to revive implicitly white and rigorously elitist nineties buggery against a push for diversity, feminism, and social egalitarianism leveling gay subcultures.

I suppose that theoretically there could be some who genuinely belong in our movement. But most of them still belong in a bog.

JewishRighter #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

Why does G-d proscribe homosexuality?

Although one might say He does not give a reason, I believe homosexuality is referred to as To’eiva-an abomination. Other parts of the Torah clearly describe that G-d hates sexual immorality. So, it is fair to say that homosexuality is abominable to, and hated by G-d and he commanded us not to do abominable things.

On another level, it seems that G-d created the world with very conspicuous order, such as the complementary reproductive organs in men and women. In contrast, people of the same sex do not have this “compatibility” and can be said to be going against the order established in G-d’s creation. Perhaps the proscription is the consequence of defying G-d’s order.

Peter Hall #homophobia facebook.com

Homophobia, Lets break it down >> Phobia - A phobia is an irrational fear, a kind of anxiety disorder in which the individual has a relentless dread of a situation, living creature, place, or thing. Homo - 1 -Homo is the genus that comprises the species Homo sapiens, which includes modern humans 2- a contemptuous term used to refer to a homosexual, especially a male homosexual. Put it together and it should mean an irrational fear of 1- The Human race, 2 Homosexuals.

I have no irrational fear of eather i just dont agree to Homosexual ways. And i love the HomoSapiens (i just disagree with some other Homosapians) but im tolorant of them !

Don Madarang #fundie #homophobia facebook.com

Bible or nothing, it is wrong that we should be completely liberal with the idea of homosexuality. That is for the simple reason that it runs askew to how we have always lived as a community of people. But yes, things have evolved since then we should be moving along with the times.

That is why governments owe to listen. Essentially why the rights granted to common families and people are being considered to be granted to everyone including the LGBTs. But rights are quite different to asking how everyone should put a degree of acceptance towards homosexuality. The same reason for some who may have a totally diverse idea of the kind of world that they wish to live in.

We have prerogatives that gay people should try to consider and they cannot dictate upon us the kind of acceptance that we wanna give. We have been more tolerant of them and not really minding what they do altho they are potentially the type of people who exert a certain influence on the minds of the younger generation but yes, we still should allow that.

However to say the least, it's a totally different issue if they are to ask that we should accept them as normal people if that's not really how we see it. I couldnt teach my child to view or see them as normal while that is not really something that I want to teach my children.

Not that it is really wrong but I do not consider it to be the normal setup of the kind of society that i want my family to be molded in. So in going through the times, we have values that are not really very supportive of the idea of homosexuality and it is also a reality that gays just must learn to accept.

Toto Kalevi #homophobia facebook.com

Madness knows no bounds. Why have we accepted such weak leadership, do we not deserve something better? Mr Putin from Russia in my opinion has a common sense approach to homo/lesbian/xyz etc brigade. He allows them freedom but forbids them spreading their unnatural views to children.

YogicCowboy #homophobia freerepublic.com

It all begins with the compromising acceptance of a false premise: There is no such thing as homosexuality; it is homoeroticism. Sexuality must be inherently functional; that is where it begins. (Forget the Bible if you like; see real science on Sexual Reproduction.)

There is no functional form of sexuality that can occur between two persons of the same sex. Homoeroticism is a narcissistic fetish that happens to focus on another person rather than an inanimate object. I pity such persons, but they cannot make me call a pig a cow.

JewishRighter #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

I’m an Orthodox Jew. Haaretz writers would no doubt call me “Ultra Orthodox”. I can tell you the article is (shockingly) absurd. First of all, there is no brave new world of homosexual acceptance and understanding emerging among Ultra Orthodox Jews. Jews who follow the Torah have only one opinion about it: it’s wrong. Period. Full Stop. Second, they make it sound as if the topic of homosexuality itself is some kind of scary topic that Orthodox Jews never talk about.

Wrong. It is not discussed in the same way that the permissive popular/secular culture does: we don’t talk about individuals; we talk about issues. Gay marriage, like homosexuality, is wrong. Gay synagogues are wrong. Any measure of compromise with the Torah outlook on homosexuality is wrong.

Like every other aspect of human behavior, homosexuality is addressed in a candid and sober fashion in the Talmud and other works on Jewish law. There isn’t a whole lot to say about it, since the Torah perspective is fairly straightforward (pun intended).

It is also important to dispel any notion that Orthodox Jews eagerly wish gays were put to death as prescribed in the Torah. There is no judicial authority with the power to impose such a penalty and the actual procedure (like all capital cases in Jewish law) has so many protections in favor of a defendant that the penalty would almost be impossible to carry out. Moreover, the correct attitude of Orthodox Jews is that they would rather see people change their ways than suffer punishments.

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Lady Checkmate’s headline: “Alt-left Hypocrites: 13 Gay Bakeries Refuse to Make Traditional Marriage Cake With the Message: ‘Gay Marriage Is Wrong’”

(The story below is from this link: http://orthochristian.com/76006.html)

Despite anti-discrimination laws in many states that require Christian bakery owners to bake cakes for same-sex weddings, 13 LGBT and gay-owned bakeries objected to one man’s request when he asked if they’d make a pro-traditional marriage cake that would read “gay marriage is wrong.” All refused to back the cake and one person even cursed at the Christian man for “hate speech” and said a cake supporting traditional marriage “went against their beliefs.”

Blogger Theodore Shoebat, of Shoebat.com, wanted to see if the same level of tolerance that Christian business owners who belive in traditional marriage are required to abide by is also being exemplified at bakeries that advocate for same-sex marriage.

Shoebat set off on a video experiment where he called 13 bakeries, which are all either known as gay-owned bakeries or bakeries that strongly support gay marriage, and told them that he was hosting a pro-traditional marriage celebration and that he needed a cake that says “gay marriage is wrong.”


He found that all of the bakeries refused to make him the cake with those words written on top. A few of the bakeries that he called said they’d make him the cake, but he would have to apply the words in icing himself. Other bakers were offended when they heard his request, while some simply said “no” or just hung up the phone.

“I hope you have luck with that, but we won’t be able to do that for you,” one baker told Shoebat. “I don’t believe in being bigoted like that.”

Shoebat even called a gay cookie shop called Hot Cookie in San Francisco and asked if they would make him a pizza-sized cookie with “gay marriage is wrong” written on it. The representative of Hot Cookie, who claimed to be a married lesbian, was the most outspoken of any of Shoebat’s respondents. After she told Shoebat that the bakery would not make the cookie, Shoebat told her that the bakery must not stand for equality if they’re refusing to make a cookie for a Christian who believes homosexuality is wrong.

“Why would we make something that is against what we are working toward?” the Hot Cookie representative asked. “I feel like that is hateful and we are not about that.”

Shoebat responded by telling her that although Christian bakers believe that gay marriage is morally wrong, they are still forced to make cakes for the same-sex weddings.

“All of the homosexual activists in California are working to force Christian businesses in California to acquiesce to homosexual opinion and things that they don’t agree with,” Shoebat asserted. “Technically, you are discriminating against people like me, when you refuse to make a cake that says ‘gay marriage is wrong.’ — By refusing to make a cake, it’s discrimination against those beliefs.”

After Shoebat told the woman that it was a form of discrimination not to make his requested cookie, the lady replied sarcastically, saying that the bakery would make the cookie, but her statement lost all sincerity when she said she’d also put a huge phallus design on it.

Two bakeries justified their rejection of Shoebat’s request by saying that a cake of that nature would be similar to making erotic cakes, which those bakeries say they do not make.

Most of the other bakeries that Shoebat called replied in a politically correct manner by saying that they could not make the cake that Shoebat was requesting. Although every time Shoebat was denied and tried to start a debate about why the bakery was not standing for equality, most of the representatives just hung up on his pointed ethical questioning.

The majority of short responses that Shoebat recevied from bakery workers noted that his request went against their “belief” in gay marriage.

Some Christian business owners have felt the costly impact of violating their state’s anti-discrimination laws after they denied service based on their biblical “belief” in the traditional definition of marriage, which states that marriage is only between one man and one woman.

A Christian bakery in Oregon was fined $150,000 in October after being found guilty of discrimination after refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding.

In August, a New York Christian couple was fined $13,000 by the state for refusing to let a same-sex couple use their farmhouse wedding venue for their ceremony, basing their rejection on their religious belief.

And a photography company in California announced that it will no longer photograph wedding ceremonies after receiving swift backlash from LGBT activists after it was posted on Facebook how they refused to shoot a same-sex wedding based on their beliefs.

“I am a man who believes gay marriage is wrong. Is there no equality for me?” Shoebat asks.

Derryck Green #wingnut #homophobia nationalcenter.org

May was a game-changer for the national conversation on homosexual marriage.

On May 8, North Carolinans overwhelmingly voted in favor of Amendment 1. The ballot measure changed the state's constitution to define marriage as a union existing solely between a man and a woman. The approximately 61 percent to 39 percent vote in favor of the Amendment 1 makes North Carolina the 30th state to vote against homosexual marriage.

The very next day, to the surprise of exactly no one, President Barack Obama finally stated this belief: "At a certain point, I've just concluded that for me — personally — it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

Of course, both of these incidents revved up the debate over the legalization of homosexual marriage and its consequences. But there are several issues regarding homosexual marriage that have yet to be given the proper discussion they deserve.

The first is the notion of "rights." Homosexual marriage advocates argue that marriage is a basic right. Denying this right to homosexuals would therefore be illegal. That's not true. There's no right to marry contained in the U.S. Constitution.

Every person who claims that the denial of the ability to marry is unconstitutional is misguided.

Getting married isn't a right. Marriage is a civil institution that all societies in history have recognized and used as the best way to legitimize, protect and raise children as well as to solidify familial and political connections.

Second, the North Carolina law doesn't unfairly deny anyone of the ability to marry. The law — and others like it — defines and recognizes marriage as a union between one man and one woman. It doesn't exclude anyone from marrying. The law treats a heterosexual person the exact same way it treats a homosexual person, with both prohibited from marrying a person of the same sex.

Traditional marriage laws simply define what constitutes a married couple. The laws are extended equally — regardless of sexual preference.

So the right that homosexual marriage proponents claim exists really does not. There is no right to marry someone of the same sex. The ability for a person to marry someone of the same sex is equally denied to everyone.

Another claim that is offered in defense of homosexual marriage is that consenting adults should be allowed to marry whomever they love. But at what point is it alright to arbitrarily move the discriminatory lines of demarcation, and how is it justified?

If it's acceptable for homosexuals to marry each other because of love and consent, then why is polygamy illegal when the parties involved are similarly in love and consenting? What about aunts and nephews or uncles and nieces when the same standards are present? If it is discrimination against homosexuals, why would it not be discrimination against these other parties?

Lastly, homosexual marriage advocates claim that legalizing homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue — equating it with the struggle to legalize interracial marriages of the past. The attempt to correlate race with sexual preferences doesn't hold up when properly scrutinized.

Legalizing interracial marriages fulfilled the legal requirement of marriage between a man and a woman because there's no difference between a white man and a black man or a white woman and a black woman. But there are enormous differences between a man and a woman, which is why there are separate bathrooms for men and women.

It's why there is an NBA and an WNBA and an PGA and an LPGA. In all the aforementioned sporting leagues, there is a logical separation by gender while races and ethnicities are not classified.

Race doesn't matter. Gender does.

The emotional desire to legalize homosexual marriage is understandable, but to do so would be to change the law for a specific group of people. That's really discrimination.

Waldemar Claudio de Carvalho and Rozangela Justino #quack #homophobia pinknews.co.uk

Brazil has re-legalised so-called “gay cure therapy” as a judge deemed homosexuality to be a “disease”.

Judge Waldemar Claudio de Carvalho overruled a 1999 resolution by the Federal Council of Psychology which prohibited the treatment of homosexuality by psychologists.

The federal judge in Brasília ruled in favour of a psychologist whose license was revoked for practising “conversion therapy”.

Evangelical Christian Rozangela Justino had her license stripped in 2016 after she advised patients to seek religious guidance to “cure” their homosexuality, which Justino considered to be a “disease”.

The ruling has been met with backlash.

The Federal Council of Psychology said that it “opens the dangerous possibility of the use of sexual reversion therapies”.

The Council pledged to contest the ruling, with president Rogério Giannini insisting they would be successful, having fought off numerous legal challenges in the past.

“There is no way to cure what is not a disease,” Giannini told the Guardian. “It is not a serious, academic debate, it is a debate connected to religious or conservative positions.”

David Miranda, one of the few openly gay politicians in the country, added that the decision was a “big regression to the progressive conquests that the LGBT community had in recent decades”.

“Like various countries in the world, Brazil is suffering a conservative wave,” he added.

Some of Brazil’s biggest celebrities have condemned the ruling including pop star Larissa Machado.

Machado, who is also known by her stage name Anitta, said that the country should be focusing on worse issues it has at hand.

“That’s what happens in my country. People dying, hungry, the government killing the country with corruption, no education, no hospitals, no opportunities — and the authorities are wasting their time to announce that homosexuality is a sickness,” she wrote on Instagram.

Ivete Sangalo, another huge music influence in the country, said: “The sick ones are those who believe in this grand absurdity”.

I want the USA back #homophobia freerepublic.com

There is a floor named “Spectrum LGBTQIA and Ally Floor”?????

Why is there a floor named for non-normal sexual activity? Colleges are in the business of changing minds. They force the students to accept the new vocabulary, which leads them to change their opinions.

It’s about destroying the value system that the students acquired from their parents and church.

Jeff Mateer #fundie #homophobia rawstory.com

Jeff Mateer, who has been nominated by President Donald Trump for a federal judgeship, advocated debunked “conversion therapy” for LGBT people and called transgender children part of “Satan’s plan.”

A CNN investigation found that Mateer came under fire from LGBT groups while working as general counsel for a conservative organization known as the Liberty Institute.

According to CNN, the attorney discussed transgender children in a 2015 speech titled “The Church and Homosexuality.”

“In Colorado, a public school has been sued because a first grader and I forget the sex, she’s a girl who thinks she’s a boy or a boy who thinks she’s a girl, it’s probably that, a boy who thinks she’s a girl,” Mateer was quoted as saying. “And the school said, ‘Well, she’s not using the girl’s restroom.’ And so she has now sued to have a right to go in. Now, I submit to you, a parent of three children who are now young adults, a first grader really knows what their sexual identity? I mean it just really shows you how Satan’s plan is working and the destruction that’s going on.”

Mateer went on to call same-sex marriage “disgusting.”

“I’ve learned words I didn’t know. I mean, other than my assistants here, have you ever heard the word ‘throuple’?” he opined. ‘Throuple’ so that’s three people coming together of different sexes, maybe mixed sexes. Them coming together. There are people who marry themselves. Somebody wanted to marry a tree. People marrying their pets. It’s just like … you know, you read the New Testament and you read about all the things and you think, ‘Oh, that’s not going on in our community.’ Oh yes it is. We’re back to that time where debauchery rules.”

That same year, Mateer complained about states banning so-called conversion therapy for LGBT people.

“[T]hat’s been outlawed in at least two states and then in some local areas. So they’re invading that area,” he lamented.

A. J. #homophobia #fundie realjewnews.com

I used to find “Will and Grace” funny and as a sitcom it was often entertaining. But the show clearly had an agenda and its premise was ridiculous.

Although the show’s main character was an openly gay man I don’t believe he ever had a boyfriend for most if not all of the show. It’s because making the show about the gay lifestyle would alienate too many viewers.

He lived with his best friend who was a young, 30-something who for a bizarre reason would rather spend all her time with a gay man then date men and get married.

There was also another flamboyant gay character in the show but both gay characters are heterosexual in real life.

Here’s the bottom line: Gays have embraced the frivolity and inanity of the culture they’ve created, not just in shows but in real life also.

They have been deceived, but deep down in their hearts most know their lifestyle will never be completely accepted. Hence they’ve created this fantasy world rather than face the truth. Most gays are messed up people psychologically when you get to know them.

Kirill had it right—”“Any sin kills the human soul and destroys people’s life. This sin [homosexuality] is one of the gravest sins because it changes people’s mental state, makes the creation of a normal family impossible, and corrupts the younger generation.”

We ought to have the greatest compassion for homosexuals and try to lead them back to Christ and away from the sin of homosexuality.

TheThirdHelix #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

TSawesome: That’s the kind of “gay stuff” that I usually do... Do I really need to “spell it out for you”?

Heteros are all about sex. You know, that’s how we define people -- by what we imagine they *might* so in the privacy of their own homes.

TheThirdHelix: I don’t know about the people you talk to, but I’ve never met any Christians who are particularly eager to discuss homosexuality, homosexual sex acts or anything related. The only reason any of us talk about this at all is because we’re constantly bombarded with it and demanded to explain ourselves for our refusal to change our religion to be more accommodating of it.

Most of us would rather talk about almost anything else, but when we’re met with lies and propaganda about what the Bible supposedly does or does not condone, we’re forced to clarify, which entails explaining precisely what the Bible condemns, which entails naming the specific sin.

Then, when we do, people like you have the audacity to accuse us of being “obsessed” or “preoccupied” with the subject, when no -- it’s not us. It’s you.

TSawesome: Not from our perspective -- the ones “bombarding” and obsessing over our lives are the fear-mongering Fundamentalists. Tell *them* to knock it off.

TheThirdHelix: How are fundamentalists interfering with you at all, much less “obsessing” over your life?

TSawesome: Let’s see... Passing legislation against LGBT in states such as NC, MS and TX, wanting to overturn marriage equality and obsessing by spending their energy arguing about bathrooms for my transgender friends.

All this things are obsessions generated by a fearful group of politicians and pastors afraid of losing power and influence to “others”.

It’s sad, really, that those people confuse holiness with persecution of some of the smallest and most vulnerable minorities in society.

TheThirdHelix: First of all, it’s everybody’s business if we’re talking about giving grown men legally-mandated access to little girls’ restrooms. I really couldn’t give two craps about any of your sanctimonious indignation over our refusal to expose little girls to predators in order to enable people with a delusion. So get over it. Nobody’s buying it. That you’re attributing it to “fearful politicians” and “pastors afraid of losing power” without any regard for the other side of the argument tells me you are totally oblivious to any reality outside of your own precious echo chamber of identity politics and victimhood mongering.

Second, the government historically recognizes marriage because there is a specific public benefit to doing so. It is not because it’s the proper role of government to endorse our romantic choices or to validate our sexual preferences. The government is in the marriage game because they know men and women are likely to have sex, sex makes babies, babies thrive with two parents who can divide up and cooperate in nurturing and material support duties, and when they don’t have that, they’re at a disadvantage later in life -- people who come into the world as bastards in the literal sense tend to grow up into bastards in the pejorative sense. High out-of-wedlock birthrates always lead to increased poverty and crime, which strains social services and public school systems, leading to societal economic hardship, so it’s in the public interest for the government to incentivize marriage with tax benefits.

But gay “sex” doesn’t make babies. There is no public benefit whatsoever to incentivizing gay “marriage.”

And, if it were really about “equality,” rather than gay supremacy, the LGBT lobby would have jumped at the compromise offered years ago in the form of civil unions, which would have bestowed all of the same legal benefits and protections as marriage, without calling it “marriage.” But, the LGBT lobby, being typical Leftists, thinks the federal government can bestow moral and spiritual legitimacy, and it wanted to use the government as a cudgel against anyone who dares oppose their dogma. And, it’s succeeding.

So stop with the persecution complex. You got your way.

I realize victimhood has been a staggeringly effective political weapon for the past 30 years and you don’t want to stop using it, so you’re still playing the persecution card whenever you possibly can, but you’re in danger of overplaying your hand. When athletes are publicly hailed as “heroes” for announcing their gayness and every TV show has one or two gay subplots, giving gays representation in media vastly out of proportion with your actual numbers, and a nearly 70-year-old man wins a “woman of the year” award just for putting on a skirt, AND, on TOP of all that, Christians are losing our businesses and livelihoods because we don’t want to participate in your subversion of western civilization ... it’s pretty absurd for you to still be playing up the “oppressed and persecuted minority” farce. It’s played out. You should quit while you’re ahead.

CitizenUSA #fundie #homophobia #racist #wingnut freerepublic.com

This is why many of us opposed homosexual “marriage” in the first place. It wasn’t about what consenting adults do in private or even who people spend their lives with. It was about the normalization/legitimization of homosexuality and the subsequent and ongoing war against opposing views. When government says two homoesexuals can marry, for example, that marriage has to be treated as entirely normal in all aspects.

We already surrendered religious freedom, free speech, and freedom of association in the civil rights era (for an arguably worthy cause—elimination of institutionalized racism), and legal homosexual “marriage” allows the homosexualists to use those same mechanisms to drive opposing thought/speech from the public sphere. In other words, the legal framework to oppress Christians was already in place.

You may be allowed to practice your faith in private—maybe.

Denny Burk #fundie #homophobia dennyburk.com

[[=A Response on the historical and cultural possobility that Jesus was a witness to a same sex Union that he blessed. See the story of the centurion and his Pias=]]

A friend sent me a news story today about a set of billboards in Dallas, Texas that cite the Bible in support of homosexual relationships. Because you can find all kinds of crazy things on billboards, I initially didn’t think much of this report. But I was really intrigued by the picture of one billboard that was included in the story (see it at right).

The message reads simply, “Jesus affirmed a gay couple. Would Jesus Discriminate?” What caught my attention was not the suggestion that Jesus affirmed homosexual conduct. This is standard fare among religious progressives, and I have heard this many times before. What caught my attention was the single Bible text quoted in support of the message— Matthew 8:5-13.

I am very familiar with the biblical texts that progressives usually cite in support of homosexual behavior, and this is not one of them. At least it was not one that I was aware of. R. T. France’s 2007 commentary doesn’t mention such an interpretation of that text. Neither Robert Gagnon (2001) nor James DeYoung (2000) respond to any such interpretation in their books debunking pro-homosexual interpretations of key biblical texts. So I had to do some digging. Where was this interpretation of Matthew 8:5-13 coming from?

It turns out that the billboard reflects an obscure interpretation of the text that first appeared in 1978 but that was most recently defended in a 2004 article in The Journal of Biblical Literature: “Mistaken Identities but Model Faith: Rereading the Centurion, the Chap, and the Christ in Matthew 8:5-13” by Theodore Jennings and Tat-Siong Liew (pp. 467-94). But what I found in this article does not support the message contained on this billboard. The billboard suggests that Jesus affirms gay relationships—presumably between consenting adults—and that an example of his approval appears in Matthew 8:5-13. But this is not at all what Jennings and Liew argue.

In the article, the “gay couple” that Jesus affirmed was a Roman soldier and his young boy sex-slave. In short, Jennings and Liew argue that the Greek word pais—usually rendered as “servant” in verse 6—is actually a mistranslation. Jesus didn’t heal the centurion’s “servant.” Rather, Jesus healed the centurion’s “boy-love” (p. 468). The paralytic is a young boy who was the sexual plaything of a Roman centurion. The authors contend that such “forced pederastic relations” between Roman soldiers and young boys were both “legally permissible and socially prevalent” during Jesus’ time (p. 486). They argue further that the centurion is worried that Jesus will steal away the paralytic as his own “boy-love,” and that is why the centurion doesn’t want Jesus actually to come to his house (vs. 8, “I am not worthy for You to come under my roof”). Because Jesus “marvels” at the “great faith” of the centurion in verse 10, the authors conclude:

“The way Matthew’s Jesus seems to affirm the centurion’s pederastic relationship with his pai/j, we contend, may also be consistent with Matthew’s affirmation of many sexual dissidents in her Gospel” (p. 492).

The other sexually dissident behavior that Jesus affirms includes adultery, prostitution, and perhaps lesbianism (p. 493).

The problems with this article and with the billboard are manifold. First, it’s blasphemous and outrageous to suggest that Jesus supported this kind of behavior. In the Sermon on the Mount alone (a favorite text among progressives), Jesus unambiguously condemns sexual immorality (Matthew 5:28) while affirming the sanctity of the marital union (Matthew 5:32). Are these authors seriously going to suggest that Jesus goes against the Old Testament and his own teaching to affirm the alleged homosexual conduct of the centurion and his sex-slave? The whole suggestion strains credulity at every level.

Second, I’m not alone in finding this reading to be completely implausible. Jennings’ and Liew’s novel interpretation of Matthew 8:5-13 has not been widely received in scholarship and was subsequently debunked in the same journal on historical grounds (see Saddington, pp. 140-42). There was a reason that I couldn’t find the interpretation mentioned in France’s commentary. It is so out of the mainstream that it didn’t even bear mentioning.

Third, even if Jennings’ and Liew’s interpretation were correct, it would prove more than what this billboard probably intends to prove. Do the authors of this billboard really wish to suggest that Jesus supports forced sexual predation of older men upon underage boys? I certainly hope not.

In any case, it is very clear that the message of this billboard is absurd, and its supposed biblical basis is a farce. For any of you readers who may come upon a message such as this one, be assured that the claim is absolutely baseless. This is the kind of revisionist historicism that supports progressive interpretations of key texts. It’s not serious, though it is seriously damning, and people should pay no heed to it.

Dilbert San Diego #wingnut #homophobia freerepublic.com

The moving of the goal posts is a key problem, in my opinion.

Some snarky liberals have said, to paraphrase, life goes on, nothing changed in your lives, as homosexual marriage was imposed on America. We’re going to look back and say what was the big deal, etc. to paraphrase.

The big deal is that it sets the stage for more and more “normalization” if you will, of more extreme behaviors and ideas.

for example, I’ve heard that some homosexual oriented political activists have said, that they eventually want to see group marriage, with any number of partners, any sex of partners. But before they could push for that, they had to establish and normalize monogamous homosexual marriage first.

One thing leads to another. One thing sets the stage for another.

And off topic, but what’s with these “Gay Straight Alliance” clubs in schools nowadays? My God, such would not have been permitted back in my day. Why do we need clubs in school which revolve around sexual identity type issues in the first place? And are the adults who run these “gay straight” alliances clubs merely seeking to “educate” young people about sexual identity, as opposed to “recruitment”?

But even if it’s all about education, it still begs the questions as to why schools allow anything to do with sexuality in the first place.

Dilbert San Diego #homophobia #transphobia freerepublic.com

This puff piece sounds as if these Australian politicos are taking some “courageous” stand for homosexual marriage.

In today’s world, the true courage is being against homosexual marriage.

See what happens to any prominent public figure in this day and age, who would stand for traditional marriage. It doesn’t happen.

Sadly to me, the liberals have won the battle over homosexual marriage. Now they have moved the goal posts, and we get to move on to transgender bathroom and baking gay wedding cakes as major issues.

Unlearner #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

I have an in-law who has been almost entirely disowned by his family for being unwilling to support homosexual couples within the family. One particular woman, who claims to be a Christian and sings in a church choir, made it a point to attack him viciously on social media.

Yet she showed her supposed tolerance by taking her children and attending a so-called homosexual wedding. This woman claims she disagrees with homosexual marriage but is supposedly showing her Christian love and compassion by being part of this.

This is the ultimate hypocrisy. Tolerance for sodomites but not for fellow Christians who are taking the vile hatred of the left for standing up for traditional Christianity and morality in general.

Instead of criticizing those who take such a public stand for Biblical morality, maybe this guy can just show us how he is doing such a great job fulfilling the “Great Commission” apparently without including a strong call to repentance.

System Resistance Network #homophobia #conspiracy thelionrises.org

Homosexuality, faggotry, sodomy, whatever you want to call it, has been a blight on mankind for millenia.

There are 3 types of faggots;

Those who are born that way due to hormone fluctuations in the womb; therefore, a deformity.
Those who are turned that way due to abuse as a child; therefore, a mental illness.
Those who pursue it as fetish; therefore, a sexual degeneracy.
All are simply degenerate and must be purged from society for the greater good. Let us look at the statistics. These will shock and horrify you.

Children in the care of gay men are three (3) times as likely to be molested, and children in the care of lesbians are ten (10) times as likely to be molested by their carers compared to children with normal parents.

This is clearly the most disgusting aspect of the homosexual lifestyle, with incestuous paedophilic tendencies being at a horrifyingly high level when compared to the normal population.

Children under the age of 16 are far more likely to turn out homosexual when sexually abused, showing how the rate of homosexuality has increased with the societal acceptance of faggotry allowing for these disgusting people to be near children. By stamping out paedophilia, we can cut down on the rate of homosexuality as one of the pathways to homosexuality is removed.

Children in the care of gay men are three (3) times more likely to identify with something other than the norm of heterosexuality, while children in the care of lesbians are four (4) times as likely. Continuing with the latter, children in the care of lesbians are 75% more likely to currently be in a same-sex relationship, while gay men result in the children being three (3) times as likely.

This is extremely concerning. This is all self-reported data specifically on children in the care of homosexual parents. This is not covering the data of homosexuals abusing children not in their care, and the influence the abuse will have on the mental health of the child.

By pushing for “equal rights”, which is a disgusting concept no matter the topic it is pushed upon, you are condemning countless children to a life of misery. The creation of homosexuals through child abuse by homosexuals will create more homosexuals due to knock-on effect of the abused becoming the abuser. Stamp out paedophilia, turn them into tree ornaments, put bullets through their skulls. Whatever it takes to protect our children and ensure they live happy lives.

As for those who are born “naturally” a.k.a. a birth defect, it is up to science and society to treat this. By shunning homosexuality and making them run from the streets and sodomy venues back into their homes, they will do less damage on the surface. But they must still be eradicated entirely. Hormone therapy corresponding with their sex, e.g. testosterone for male homosexuals, could be an option to treat their deformity.

Then finally, for the fetishists, they are nothing but purely hedonistic degenerates. Society must reform to shun this ill-minded lot. Bring back shame into society, for shame is a powerful force to ensure the conformation to society’s standards and preventing moral decay.

As we all know, HIV/AIDS is rife among the homosexual community, especially involving gay men.

There is a sickening fetish known as “bugchasing” where gay men willingly become “pozzed” by a HIV-infected partner, or the HIV-infected deliberately infects an unwitting partner to give them the “gift” of HIV. Degeneracy knows no bounds with the faggot. Some of you may think “Well it’s their life, if they want to destroy it, so be it” but you are forgetting that in this nation of ours, our taxes go to the NHS which provides free treatment for these degenerates to continue living and infecting further sodomites. You are paying so these utterly degenerate scumbags can continue on with their disgusting fetishes, further destroying this already broken society.

The dominant exposure to HIV is among gay men, with 50% of the cases being from this category. 82% of HIV cases in Rossendale are a result of homosexuality, with 61% and 58% in Lancashire and Cheshire.

1.5% of the UK population identifies as homosexual, with 1.1% being gay men. 1.1% of the population is responsible for 50% of the HIV cases in the UK. This means that gay men are 90 times more likely to have HIV than a normal person.

Gay men are three (3) times more likely to use drugs, and six (6) times more likely to inject drugs compared to normal men.

Reported use of stimulants is approximately five (5) times higher among gay and bisexual men, with methamphetamine usage at fifteen (15) times higher.

Drug use among lesbians is four (4) times higher than among normal women, with a higher usage rate of cocaine, ecstasy (MDMA), amphetamines and ketamine.

These are just three sickening factors due to society’s acceptance of homosexuality. But we must not forget those who are pushing homosexuality upon Western nations. It is the System and the Jew that inhabits said System. Homosexuality is a symptom of the cause.

The Rabbis praise homosexual acceptance within White countries, but not within their own faith or within Israel.

The System appeals to this tiny percentage of the population, such as with the cash-strapped police force painting and decaling their vehicles with rainbow flags paid for through the “diversity fund”. Never forget that the System is infested with paedophiles in all parties. They protect each other to continue pursuing their abhorrent fantasies. The people shall never forget the betrayal to the nation and its children committed by these degenerates.

Bob434 #wingnut #homophobia freerepublic.com

if enough conservatives were to boycott fox for this- they would back down- but sadly most people will still tune in- It worked with J.C Penny back in the day- enough people got together to boycott them for supporting gay agenda- and J.C Penny took a huge financial hit from which they never truly recovered- even to this day people refuse to buy anything from them-

This is where we NEED a tea party- to organize massive boycotts like this and get the word out that fox is financially and apparently enthusiastically supporting the gay agenda

so_real #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

Simple ... muslims and homosexuals have the same ambition : attack Judaism and Christianity. Certainly the muslims will turn against the homosexuals in due course. (The homosexuals are their "useful idiots" and will eventually outlive their usefulness.) But for now, the muslims consider "the enemy of my enemy is my fair-weather friend".

Stephen A. Coston, Sr #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

"Royalty, Rumors and Racists"

BY STEPHEN A. COSTON, SR.

AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK:

KING JAMES
The VI Of Scotland & I Of England
Unjustly Accused?

The character assassination of His Majesty King James VI & I is an ongoing evolving process that has matured in this present day to a sort of "open season" of differing opinions variously setting forth different theories and hypotheses on the whys, hows, and ifs of the alleged "homosexuality" of King James VI & I. Part of the reason for so many differing opinions is that many historians and would-be historians have forsaken fact for fictional accounts on the life of King James VI & I. Without facts to restrain the imagination the investigative process turns into a rumor mill and as such is an aberration of the historical process. Often these highly speculative accounts, contemporary or modern, are based not on the actual life and words of King James VI & I but on what these individuals THINK what King James VI & I said and did meant. Honest professional historians are beginning to admit this and this is most welcome; however, King James VI & I still has his ardent critics.

More often than not even when actual facts of King James VI & I are presented they are subjected to interpretive twists designed to give the reader the impression that the words and deeds of King James VI & I support the allegations commonly leveled against him. Case in point, it is a known fact King James VI & I was handicapped from birth with weak limbs and injured himself many times. This caused him to have an unsteady gait. To compensate for this King James VI & I often leaned on his most trusted councilors and friends which also happened to be members of his personal staff, individuals critics freely term "favorites." It is often stated that "James was fond of leaning all over his beautiful young favorites" giving the reader the impression King James VI & I did so not because of a physical handicap but because of sexual attraction to same. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Further, it is also freely alleged that King James VI & I "passionately kissed" his "favorites" in public.

Critics of King James VI & I are fond of inferring from the above that King James VI & I engaged in the "French kissing" of his "favorites." They then use this assumption as yet another "proof" to support their contention that King James VI & I was indeed truly a "homosexual."

What the detractors of King James VI & I utterly fail to realize; however, (to their detriment) is the fact that the accounts responsible for popularizing this characterization were penned by individuals who hated not only King James VI & I as a Scot, but the whole country of Scotland as well. They were some of the most militant racists of the time of the most vicious type. Some of their contemporaries knew this and railed against them and defended King James VI & I and it is quite the mystery why modern critics seem not to know this.

Another point that critics of King James VI & I fail to recognize relative to this issue of kissing is that King James VI & I "slobbered" when he ate his food, consumed his drink, or even when he "kissed" someone's hand or cheek. Are we to infer then that King James VI & I passionately kissed inanimate objects, foods and drinks and bodily extremities? What about the widely accepted practice of a monarch's kiss at court to show the King's favor upon an individual? Besides that what of the British acceptance of public kissing for all kinds of events and circumstances. Are we then to infer that the whole island of Great Britain was a hot bed of homosexuality?

It is also inferred that because some individuals rejoiced to have King James VI & I's "legs soon in their arms" upon their return to court that this is somehow indicative of a reference to a sexual position. However, there exist many woodcuts depicting just this position of many noble and common men in with King James VI & I at court. It was customary to prostrate oneself at the feet of the monarch when allowed so close to His Majesty's person to receive a welcome, greeting or honor. King James VI & I's own son, the future King Charles I, himself was in just this position at the feet of his father when he returned from Spain. It is amazing that such shallow reasoning can be allowed to be pawned off as legitimate historical analysis.

Finally, much is made of King James VI & I articulating in his writing that he "loved" someone of the same gender giving the reader the mistaken belief that "love" stood for a sexual attraction and thus yet another "proof" of the "homosexuality" of King James VI & I. Also, it is alleged that King James VI & I "justified homosexuality many times" in his writings.

The most common offered "proof" of this mistaken assertion is a quotation from King James VI & I's speech to Parliament which is violently ripped from its intended meaning and context. For an in- depth refutation of this form of argument the diligent reader is referred to my book King James VI Of Scotland & I Of England - Unjustly Accused.

The Reverend Barrie Williams sums up the desperation of this reasoning:

"... there must be many besides myself for whom nine short words of the King are sufficient: 'Jesus had His John, and I have my George.' King James was in every estimate a devout protestant, and anyone who can believe that he would cast aspersions on the moral integrity of Our Saviour would have no difficulty in believing that the world is flat."

The sheer etymological ignorance of this type of argument is astounding! In my book King James VI Of Scotland & I Of England - Unjustly Accused I examine the widespread and commonly accepted practice of men and women writing to each other in loving terms and expressing their "love" for one another. Such Jacobean stylistic expressions of this kind were in no way indicative of sexual attraction or homosexuality.

I believe Lucius Annaeus Seneca said it best when he wrote:

"... they refute their case by means of the very passages which lead them to infer it."

Certain revisionist historians would have you believe otherwise and advocate the use this method to prove Biblical characters were likewise "homosexuals" to include Jesus Christ, David and Jonathan. These types of evidences, if you can call them that, are the types of things that critics of King James VI & I use to validate their claims. When they can't force King James VI & I to say what they want they simply make him "mean" what they want. Or, in other words, what they can't find stated they simply infer is there and place between the lines even though it is not "in the lines." However, if King James VI & I did not mean what he wrote then who is anyone to tell us what he actually meant?

As far as "witnesses" go, critics can only cite a handful of contemporaries of King James VI & I and most of these were men fired from office (sour grapes), or were political or religious enemies of the King, or they were otherwise disgruntled courtiers with an ax to grind and none ever were eye witness to any overt sexual acts on the part of King James VI & I.

Not only this but I have not found one yet that ever formally accused King James VI & I of directly being a homosexual and brought his case before any legal or religious body not to mention attempting to obey the precepts of Scripture in making such outlandish claims. For an in- depth examination of the charges commonly leveled at King James VI & I the careful reader is referred to my book mentioned previously.

It is obvious that myriad are the claims leveled at James Charles Stuart's (King James VI & I) moral character or lack thereof. However, out of this great sea of negative opinion the tide is fortunately turning away from the shores of libel and gossip and heading towards the calm home port of objectivity and evidentiary concerns.

Historians like the rest of our society are not immune from the influences of modern faddish trends and regrettably King James VI & I has suffered more than his share of diatribes that are directly due to a falling away from classical objective interpretive methods that were long indicative of the traditional historical method. Recent trends have captivated modern historians and led them to experiment with eisegetical techniques and to put it colloquially "tabloid style journalism." Therefore, much that has been written regarding His Majesty King James VI & I has not been the result of a balanced exegetical method.

Further complicating the situation and making matters worse has been the regrettable over reliance by historians on certain scurrilous sources that were produced in an era when libels of the Stuarts and the Monarchy were at a premium in general and whose opinions were motivated by a distrust and outright hostility to the noble Scots as a nation and King James VI & I in particular. King James VI & I being the first Scot to sit on the English throne and the natural father of the last Stuart King to reign in England before the regicide of The Royal Martyr, King Charles I, King James VI & I was naturally a prime target for abuse.

Making an easy target for his pursuit of peace and his many physical handicaps, King James VI & I was and is ill treated by many who venture to put pen to paper with a view to ruminating on the character of this much misunderstood Monarch. Like all of us in the course of King James VI & I's life he made enemies, and as king he had more than his share. Not only this but King James VI & I had to deal and overcome outright racism against his home of birth, Scotland. It is a sad fact that most of King James VI & I's contemporary critics were either disgruntled courtiers who were removed from office by King James VI & I himself or otherwise suffered loss of political or peerage advancement under King James VI & I or were haters of the whole Scottish nation!

Much indeed has been written on King James VI & I and because of this plethora of information a few researchers when doing analysis on King James VI & I simply refer back to past popular and easily obtainable sources rather than expending time and effort in obtaining rare and difficult to find first hand accounts of either the critical or ameliorative sources. Most indeed who have written about King James VI & I have never actually sat down to read what he actually wrote. This environment has created a prime climate for the kind of slanders and libels King James VI & I has been subjected to.

In my years of research on the life and character of King James VI & I, I have found that there is a great reluctance on the part of some of the more militant and bellicose of modern day critics of King James VI & I who claim to have facts to prove (beyond what they assert in their books) King James VI & I was a homosexual.

They seem unwilling to stand up to investigative criticism of their conclusions. They speak of research but balk at detailing the fruits thereof. They are fond of citing whole volumes of books and articles which they claim validate their assertions but refuse to justify any conclusions or data found therein. Some of the more extreme "Christian" critics of King James VI & I are extremely reticent about applying Biblical injunctions against gossip and rumor to their sources or even allow King James VI & I the protection of Scripture as found in Deut. 19:15 or I Tim. 5:19. Further, some are found to deny King James VI & I even professed to be a Christian! I find this extremely curious that such individuals who claim to be "Christians" would ignore Biblical injunctions on falsely accusing a brother and the evidentiary requirements to sustain charges of the type they advocate.

Thankfully, modern secular critical opinion on King James VI & I is reevaluating the negative assertions of his moral character and moderate critics of King James VI & I are now admitting that these charges are basically OPINION not historical facts! As noted above, only a few extremist and militant and the most ardent of King James VI & I's critics are espousing some of the most vociferous and invectively rancorous libels of King James VI & I.

I have also found in the course of my research a most curious phenomenon, that there is almost a total vacuum of consideration of what King James VI & I actually wrote or what he believed outside of a few brief excerpts of his writings which are more often than not stripped from their context or misinterpreted almost beyond recognition. Great weight almost to the point of complete dependence is attached to the writings of a few disgruntled courtiers, racists and bigots (Sir Anthony Weldon, Francis Osborne and Sir Edward Peyton and a few others).

The writings of Peter Heylyn, Sir William Sanderson, Bishop Godfrey Goodman and Anthony A. Wood and others (not to mention King James VI & I himself) are almost totally forsaken thus creating an unbalanced view of King James VI & I as viewed from contemporary accounts. Similarly, most modern works which discount the critical view of King James VI & I are also almost completely ignored by those who wish to paint King James VI & I as a homosexual.

When authors are unduly influenced by the scandal value of such poor sources they tend to rely on them in extreme and thus forsake detailed historical research and ignore the principles of evidentiary preponderance of evidence and thus sacrifice this for the propensity of our frail human nature in its attraction for dirt and scandal. Contradictory applications of principles and imbalanced research techniques can only result from a defective research method. Unfortunately this type of phenomenon has run rampant and caused many such evaluations to run amuck of the facts concerning King James VI & I.

I have not found any persons yet who libel King James VI & I as being a homosexual who are willing to allow themselves to be judged based on the same lines of evidence and principles upon which they unjustly convict King James VI & I .

All these factors coupled with the cultural and etymological ignorance prevailing in our day and the outright historical bias of some against King James VI & I have produced a situation where King James VI & I's accusers have played free with the actual historical facts and in some cases invented more ingenious eisegetical interpretations than any stretching of the imagination could ever produce. Thus the facts of history have been traded for the inventions of the imagination and regrettably there has of yet been no limitation to the unbridled attacks on the ever blessed memory and reputation of His Majesty, King James VI & I. When such pseudo-history is accepted for the real thing and we refuse to be bound to actual historical facts and opinions are masqueraded in place of reality then no valid conclusions can ever be reached.

In my attempts to request evidence that is commonly purported to exist by the sternest critics of King James VI & I sadly I have found that this evidence is often elusive and at best highly speculative. Instead what I have been offered in place of hard data from King James VI & I's militant and extremist critics is sarcasm, evasion, ridicule, rudeness and outright refusal to provide the requested information.

From King James VI & I's more mild critics they are at least recognizing the fact that their opinions have led to incorrect assumptions that accusations of homosexuality leveled at King James VI & I are factual, which they are not, and are based on speculation and opinion. Many are even willing to entertain the belief that King James VI & I might not have been homosexual at all. This is something that King James VI & I's hard line critics have yet to do and seem dead set against.

The personal slanders and racially motivated innuendoes and epithets were indicative more of the declarant's anti-Scottish bias and resultant dislike of King James VI & I than they were etiologically the result of actual facts. Thus, the scandalous artifacts which have been so carefully exhumed setting forth the "dirt" of the matter are in need not of study but of burial. These slurs are only allegorically and vaguely implying misdeeds on the part of King James VI & I in the most indirect manner and should be highly suspect. Often by their own account imagination played a key role in their assertions and this was based on their own particular interpretation (not provable facts) of the actions of King James VI & I. It is highly coincidental that the promoters of the charges were those who either bore no good will to the Scots or otherwise had a grudge to bear against their King. So, like irreverent grave robbers having no respect for the dead they attempt to steal that which does not belong to them and not content with desecrating the memory and honor of King James VI & I they also trample under foot his blessed memory. This ought not be so!

There seems to be a divergence of opinion amongst King James VI & I's critics. This is indicative of the fact that modern attitudes on King James VI & I are changing and the hard liners are refusing to budge. So far factual rebuttals of the hard line opponents of King James VI & I have had little effect as the pugnacious critics are refusing to yield to the actual evidence and are holding on to the rumors of the past. Such is the decline and decay of our society when we will allow the least of us, those who cannot defend themselves, to be thrown to the wolves if you will and be unjustly accused. In our passive acceptance of this injustice I see the fate of us all in that one day we may all find ourselves the target of false accusers. Where have moral and historical ethics gone!

The sheer bankruptcy of the critical case should be evident to any sincere lover of history. To those who will convict King James VI & I on the scantiest of evidence it must be seen that these individuals will thus embody the demise of all true history. The plethora of moral indictments and claims against King James VI & I's character are not historical facts but rather in all actuality primarily unjust criticisms which are commonly mistaken for facts.

Serious dialogue seems to have been relegated to the museum of ancient history and fallen into disuse. However, the criticisms of King James VI & I actually reveal more about our society's preoccupation with scandal and dirt than they do about the life and character of King James VI & I . We can no longer allow lopsided research to overpower the facts of history.

The best advise and observation on this sad situation ironically comes from King James VI & I himself. As His Majesty King James VI & I noted almost prophetically long ago:

"And principally exercise true wisdom in discerning wisely between true and false reports. First concerning the nature of the person reporter; next, what effect he can have in the well or evil of him whom of he maketh the report; thirdly, the likelihood of the purpose itself, and the last the nature and past life of the delated person ... "

And:

"They quarrel me (not for any evil or vice in me) but because I was a king, which they thought the highest evil, and because they were ashamed to profess this quarrel they were busy to look narrowly in all my actions, and I warrant you a moat in my eye, yes a false report was matter enough for them to work upon."

His Majesty King James VI & I,

Basilicon Doron

Reason2012 #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it's not a sin. It's just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it's acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

mom of young patriots #homophobia freerepublic.com

They submitted 3 Amicus Briefs, 2 authors per brief, to the Court for the Obergefell vs Hodges case (same sex marriage ruling). They were all raised by homosexual parents and presented cases to the court on why children need access to both a female and a male parent and why homosexual marriage should not be granted. The SCOTUS ignored them.

There are others. Moria Greyland comes to mind. She was raised by a lesbian (author of Mists of Avalon) and a homosexual man who were a couple. There are dozens more that I have read about, but I’d need to recall the names or look them up again. If you start researching like I have, you will uncover more of them than you can imagine. All their conclusions are the same. Children need a mother and a father and same sex parenting warps kids - even when those same sex parents are loving to them. Even where there is a strong parent-child bond, these adult children still say it was an unhealthy situation.

And the ones I have read about are just the ones brave enough to put their names out there and make themselves targets for the gay mafia. They do it for the children, but some of them find that the price of publicity is just too high. Many lives have been destroyed by the gay mafia.

tbw2 #fundie #wingnut #homophobia #transphobia freerepublic.com

Earlier liberals wanted equality for groups. The Social Justice victimhood stack explicitly calls for separate moral standards for various groups, the more officially oppressed, the higher up on the hierarchy. Intersectionality can be explained as people trying to move up the stack by claiming multiple group memberships, more oppressed, so higher than the others with just one check box.

The new class structure social justice warriors are demanding results in unfair treatment based on group membership, which they see as fair because those groups are officially oppressed.

This has resulted in contradictions / double standards that are only insane if you expect them to stick to the Western standard of fairness - which they’ve abandoned.

Hate crime / civil rights rules stating that homosexual owned businesses can refuse service per their rights but Christians cannot refuse service per their oppressive faith. The Civil Rights Commission issued rulings in the same week to that effect, where a homosexual could refuse service to a traditional marriage group per his free speech but to refuse homosexual marriage was a violation of theirs.

Diversity training intentionally promotes homosexuality and transgenderism as moral, acceptable, without seeing that this is ideological proselytizing. Express conservative or traditional opinions, that is a punishable offense.

Liberals defining their views as love make conservative views hate. And Human Resource departments “trust and respect” policies used to penalize actual bullying and sexual harassment are routinely used to penalize sharing a conservative opinion because it is by liberal definition impolite, threatening, disrespectful.

ItsePerkele #homophobia s1.zetaboards.com

Sorry, some people are going to be pissed. I got nothing against gays, just confuses me how gays are considered normal thing.

Clearly, its not meant to be. Humans are meant to reproduce.

You cant do that with the same gender as you. Some people say, "Well some animals are homosexual". And? Like nature cant have beings that are mentally ill?

Again, I got nothing against homosexuals. I've known a few homosexuals.

William Grimes #fundie #sexist #homophobia #forced-birth conservatism.referata.com

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Core Articles of Faith

We believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is how the One True God is manifested. We reject any "oneness doctrine" and the "Jesus-only" movement as heretical.
We reject any idols or any other gods, such as Allah, Buddha, Taylor Swift, and all these other Mormon "gods" and the false gods Jehovah's Witnesses worship.
We accept the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only remission of sins, and no "hocus pocus" including "sacrificial" worship has any impact on grace.
The world is in a fallen state, and anyone who desires to be saved must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior. We reject Universalism here.
We believe in baptism by immersion only, and only to be done upon those who are of the age of reason. Baptism is a symbolic act showing the believer buried with Christ and cleansed of sins.
Likewise, we reject any concept of "original sin" as Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant groups understand it, and thus reject baptismal regeneration and the baptism of infants.
Men are to be the sole breadwinners, and women are to be in charge of domestic household affairs. This is godly naturally ordained gender roles.
We believe that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, and that homosexuals cannot be saved since they are vile reprobate. They are damned eternally for being homosexuals.
Abortion, capital punishment, physician assisted suicide, and other forms of killing are unequivocally condemned since God hath said "thou shalt not kill."
Racism in all its forms are likewise unequivocally condemned by New Testament Baptist Church. All creatures are created in the image of God, and one's skin color is irrelevant to one's character.
Modest attire that covers the entire body is required, and as such we do not accept the movement of men wearing shorts and women showing breasts and legs, for instance.
All forms of secular music, television, film, and literature are to be treated with the utmost scrupulosity and to be cast out if offending material is found.

Joe73 #fundie #homophobia cathinfo.com

I agree with a lot of what is being said. I believe homosexuality is usually related to identity trauma in childhood. There is a spiritual battle as well of course, the devil and other fallen angels want people to be confused and follow sin.

I thought I was homosexual from 14 to 18 and 1/2 years old. I went to counseling, and I finally believed It was not a born condition. There are certainly sins that increase homosexual desire (like exploring pornography), but their are wounds that make it easier to have a desire for it.

Knowing why allowed me to heal tremendously in about half a year. I used to have homosexual feelings all of the time, but now they hardly show up, and the wall that kept me from having feelings for women is very gradually moving out of the way.

But yes, not being close to God allows one to be in homosexuality more readily. I had to fix my terrible relationship with God, I was always asking for stuff, but not willing to give. I was living a double life, pretending I wasn't living in lust. It was after I began to fear hell, and turned to God for help, and received it, that I was able to change.

econobombshell #homophobia #quack reddit.com

Not a homophobe here.

Your arguments are tired, though. The time has come to put misinformation in the past. Homosexuality is not genetic. The very idea is ridiculous and should have died in the crib.

Albanism is genetic. There are albino lab rats. We can produce them at will.

There are no gay lab rats, nor will ever there be.

Anorexia is not genetic. Homosexuality is not genetic. These are trauma-induced psychoses, and, like any psychosis, can be treated. Of course, we don't treat homosexuality anymore, but not because no one wants treatment. It is all politics.

Monique Desir #homophobia #fundie crossroad.to

I would like to tell you some things about Sailor Moon. I am ashamed to say that I used to watch it a lot a few years ago before I realized how warped and disgusting it was.

First of all, the Japanese and English versions are kind of different. (WELL THAT MIGHT BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT!) In the Japanese version there is a lot of homosexuality going on as well as bisexuality that parents might not understand.

For example, there is a couple who work for Queen Beryl: Zoycite (an effete/effeminate) and Malachite are both male characters in the original Japanese version, but Zoycite who is more feminine looking than Malachite was dubbed a female in the American version! They are gay! Homosexual! And I wonder if parents here in America knew if they would have been angry or just go with the flow?!

Another homosexual couple, two women called Sailor Neptune and Uranus, have a daughter in the Japanese version. However, one day when I was watching it on the cartoon network, there was an episode with both Sailor Senshi or soldiers/scouts in USA version. Sailor Uranus is the more boyish of the couple with her short, blond hair and taller, slender looks. In this episode she was dressed in a suit like a young man. AT first I thought that it was a BOY and so did the other Sailor scouts who were drooling with hearts and teardrops forming around their heads! If I noticed this blatant, in your face homosexuality -- who else did?

Well, someone must have because I haven't seen the show on television since. Good.

Some have said that Sailor Neptune and Uranus' relationship is a "parody of heterosexual relationships" because Uranus who is more male than all of the Sailor Scouts and Sailor Neptune who is more female are reflecting a warped version of family life, due to the fact that they are both women.

For instance, their daughter calls them "mama" and "papa". The male pair are a couple of the villains in the first season and the latter female pair are the good guys in the later series. There is also a great deal of -- I am not sure if I want to use this word -- pedophilia in the show. Young girls as young as 12 or 13 (8th graders mind you) are falling head over heels in love with older, wicked men. One example is the relationship between Neflite, a soldier for the Negaverse and Molly, an ordinary and virginal human girl. No wonder that girls age 12 are dating men as young as 28!

There is a lot of occult or alchemic talk in the show: quest for crystals, moon prisms, which are worn as brooches for extra power. But where are they drawing this power from? The Negaverse has power like that too. I think that it is like the idea of White and Black Magic: though both won't admit it they are tapping their power from the same source: Satan.

In the Japanese version, Sabrina's name is Usagi or Bunny because of her hairstyle. Tuxedo Mask is really Tuxedo Kamen and his princely name is Mamoru. To me there is a lot of "goddess" worship in the show, like what you would find from the ancient religions of Greece and the Mystery religions of Rome.

A lot of Sailor Moon fans deny the witchcraft element. WELL, how come Luna, the black cat can turn into a human?! It's true!

In the manga (comic) series Luna and her consort, Artemis and Diane (a kitten, their daughter) transform into their human forms in the final battle to help Sailor moon destroy an "evil" foe! In the movie version "Sailor S or Heart of Ice", Luna falls in love with a human. She is transformed into a human by Super Sailor Moon, who uses "the power of the chalice" to grant Luna's wish and to make Kakeru's (her love interest) dreams come true: She takes him on a trip to the Moon in the personage of a Princess he loves named Kaguya! Afterwards, she transforms back into a cat.

The weird thing about it is that the cats are guardians of Sailor Moon, her husband or prince, Prince Darien and their daughter Rini (American version name). Artemis, the white cat who belongs to Sailor Venus, is an exception.

There is also slight nudity during the transformation scenes when the Sailor scouts change their into their hero clothing. Some have said that this is not for sexual stimulation, which is a lie because most Japanese business men would get their "kicks" at these scenes. They also have some disgusting fetish for schoolgirl panties! They buy them from vending machines or from the girls themselves. White ones are preferred and there is a lot of that flashing on the show. I am not lying! I was shocked when I found it on a website about a year ago.

As I grow in the love of Jesus, it appears that my mind is expanding spiritually as well as I read His awesome Word. A lot of shows that I once watched I no longer care for, especially if they are in conflict with the Truth and beliefs. For instance, I no longer enjoy watching Will and Grace because I realize now that it is glorifying homosexuality and the like. A lot of shows in America do that. I no longer care to compromise my faith. And even though I may stumble along the way, I thank God for His Holy Spirit that whispers to me, reminding me what is good and lovely what is righteous and holy and what is not. He has opened my eyes.

Sailor Moon and other anime may seem harmless, but if you are a Christian, you in no way should be promoting or protecting this kind of material by saying, "It teacher adults and adolescence alike virtues" because we know that that is far from the Truth. Nothing should be a substitute for Our Sword and that is the very Word of God.

detective #transphobia #homophobia #conspiracy freerepublic.com

This is the glorify transsexuals and perverts narrative that the MSM is pushing to our children. Public schools have gay straight alliance clubs and transsexual days. Colleges encourage homosexuality.

Every part of our society that has been infiltrated and taken over by the leftists is promoting homosexuality.

Obama freed this traitor who should be in prison. The media are praising him and featuring him as a hero.

You should care.

Our young people are being poisoned by these people and their message. Our society is being destroyed.

Knowledge Transfer #wingnut #homophobia disqus.com

You opened up the convoluted diversion when you [not me[ said: "COMPLETELY unlike a same-sex adult consensual relationship which harms no one"!

My responses were then employed to pulverize that lie because same sex consensual relationships harm everyone especially when others are forced to accept the normalcy of such abnormal, unnatural and unhealthy relationships.

As an example, here is just one of the malevolent goals: "Present homosexuality, promiscuity and degeneracy as normal, natural and healthy." Homosexuality automatically includes promiscuity and degeneracy in one stench ridden package like a 3 point play in basketball...one shot three points.

Just a few questions: 1) if homosexuality was normal; natural; and healthy, why pray tell would it ever need to be presented as if it were normal, natural and healthy; wouldn't such presentations be superfluous? 2) if homosexuality was normal, natural and healthy, why pray tell is the cited goal above one of the 45 goals within the Communist Takeover of America given that Communism seeks to destroy America from within on its way to one world Godless; soulless; family destroying; life hating; sodomy saluting; wealth redistributing world rule?

Mich #fundie #homophobia #kinkshaming ummah.com

I watch anime and it includes: drawings of men, women, and animals. It is filled with music. Women are always drawn with skimpy cloths and anime will always have at least one episode either at a beach or hot spa so they can draw the women in skimpy bating suits. Do this and putting anime characters into sexual situations is actually named and done purposely... see fan service.

Anime is prompting western dress, western schooling, western ideas, western culture. In recent anime they more than likely either adding a homosexual character in it, and/or homosexual jokes or Homosexual fan service.

So can you tell me why anime would not be haraam?

Victor Cardiss #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

[=An extended version of another one of his comments

"Mum... Dad... Sit down I have something I need to share with you, Before I begin the news I have may be against all the basic principles you have practiced all your life so you need to know something first...
In My hand I'm holding a live grenade... I've pulled the pin out but I still have the lever depressed. If you upset me by not accepting everything I tell you with a big big smile, I'll drop this thing and destroy this family. Accept my news with a big smile and I'll put the pin back....
By the way... I'm Gay"
This is how the conversation NEVER goes...
"Mom... Dad... I know you find it almost impossible to accept the fact I've chosen a new lifestyle and I know this isn't what you wanted for me as I was growing up. I know you've never accepted homosexuality as a 'Blessed' lifestyle choice and I completely understand how heart-breaking it is for you to know I've turned my back on everything you believe. Nevertheless I love you and will stay with you no matter what your reaction is"
The most Common two stories I hear are "My parents were terrific and I had no problems"
and
"My parents threw me out of the house and I hate them"
It's all or nothing with homosexuals... "Accept me or I'll hate you forever and I'll never try to understand how I've broken your hearts!"
(I've a funny feeling you KNOW I'm right!)

Victor Cardiss #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

"Mom... Dad... I know you find it almost impossible to accept the fact I've chosen a new lifestyle and I know this isn't what you wanted for me as I was growing up. I know you've never accepted homosexuality as a 'Blessed' lifestyle choice and I completely understand how heart-breaking it is for you to know I've turned my back on everything you believe. Nevertheless I love you and will stay with you no matter what your reaction is"
The most Common two stories I hear are "My parents were terrific and I had no problems"
and
"My parents threw me out of the house and I hate them"
It's all or nothing with homosexuals... "Accept me or I'll hate you forever and I'll never try to understand how I've broken your hearts!"
(I've a funny feeling you KNOW I'm right!)

Victor Cardiss #homophobia premier.org.uk

This is your trump card. You think people who don't accept the homosexual lifestyle are filled with hatred but you're wrong.
I know several Mums and Dads who have been very supportive of the son's and daughters who have decided to live out their homosexual lifestyle.
These parents would never say anything negative because they fear being branded and despised as 'Homophobic' (namecalling)
When those Parents are alone they weep because the expectations they had for their offspring has been destroyed. They are bullied by political correctness to accept whatever lifestyle choices their children make but inside they are hurting beyond measure. They are breathless with panic because the aspirations of being a family now rely on them accepting the unacceptable.
You don't love your parents you hate them. If you loved them you would accept that they can reject your lifestyle but they still love you beyond measure.
The next time your parents tell you that they really do acknowledge and accept your lifestyle choices (no, honestly we're alright with it... No we're not just saying it we really back your decisions.... Trust us we love you and are on your side)
You rotten selfish bullies have just broken your parents hearts but if they told you that they know what a temper tantrum you'll have.
Don't point the finger at me and shout your vile accusations... My concern is for your immortal soul not for the selfish lifestyle that will soon be over.

Victor Cardiss #fundie #homophobia premier.org.uk

The points may seem to have been specifically about you but I was aiming at General points about ALL homosexuals.
They are all selfish.
Your experience may be that most homosexuals that have told their parents will have found acceptance.
What I'm telling you is that those accepting parents may confide in a preacher or a close friend that they are heartbroken.
Tell me... How will their children ever know this? As far as the Homosexual son or daughter are concerned they have been accepted by loving and caring parents.
Now look at this from the parents point of view. They love their son/daughter and don't want to lose them. If they say anything negative it will cause a fracture in the relationship so they have no choice.
You and I know Homosexuals who tell the other story... "My parents kicked me out of the family home when I brought my same sex partner home and I've never forgiven them".
To answer your question... Yes... If you are a homosexual and you told your parents you were Gay you gave them no choice.
If they hadn't gone along with you and smiled broadly you would have been upset.
If they had out and out rejected your lifestyle choice you would have employed the nuclear option.
Selfish Selfish Selfish!

Doug Mainwaring #homophobia thepublicdiscourse.com

I'm Gay and I Oppose Same-Sex Marriage

While religion and tradition have led many to their positions on same-sex marriage, it’s also possible to oppose same-sex marriage based on reason and experience.

“I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will always eventually triumph, and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.” These words, spoken by Ronald Reagan in 1991, are framed on the wall above my desk. As a gay man, I’ve adopted them as my own, as I’ve entered the national discussion on same-sex marriage.

I wholeheartedly support civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, but I am opposed to same-sex marriage. Because activists have made marriage, rather than civil unions, their goal, I am viewed by many as a self-loathing, traitorous gay. So be it. I prefer to think of myself as a reasoning, intellectually honest human being.

The notion of same-sex marriage is implausible, yet political correctness has made stating the obvious a risky business. Genderless marriage is not marriage at all. It is something else entirely.

Opposition to same-sex marriage is characterized in the media, at best, as clinging to “old-fashioned” religious beliefs and traditions, and at worst, as homophobia and hatred.

I’ve always been careful to avoid using religion or appeals to tradition as I’ve approached this topic. And with good reason: Neither religion nor tradition has played a significant role in forming my stance. But reason and experience certainly have.

Learning from Experience

As a young man, I wasn’t strongly inclined toward marriage or fatherhood, because I knew only homosexual desire.

I first recognized my strong yearning for men at age eight, when my parents took me to see The Sound of Music. While others marveled at the splendor of the Swiss Alps displayed on the huge Cinerama screen, I marveled at the uniformed, blond-haired Rolfe, who was seventeen going on eighteen. That proclivity, once awakened, never faded.

During college and throughout my twenties, I had many close friends who were handsome, athletic, and intelligent, with terrific personalities. I longed to have an intimate relationship with any and all of them. However, I enjoyed something far greater, something which surpassed carnality in every way: philia (the love between true friends)—a love unappreciated by so many because eros is promoted in its stead.

I wouldn’t have traded the quality of my relationships with any of these guys for an opportunity to engage in sex. No regrets. In fact, I always felt like the luckiest man on the planet. Denial didn't diminish or impoverish my life. It made my life experience richer.

Philia love between men is far better, far stronger, and far more fulfilling than erotic love can ever be. But society now promotes the lowest form of love between men while sabotaging the higher forms. Gay culture continues to promote the sexualization of all (viewing one’s self and other males primarily as sexual beings), while proving itself nearly bankrupt when it comes to fostering any other aspect of male/male relationships.

When all my friends began to marry, I began to seriously consider marriage for the first time. The motive of avoiding social isolation may not have been the best, but it was the catalyst that changed the trajectory of my life. Even though I had to repress certain sexual desires, I found marriage to be extremely rewarding.

My future bride and I first met while singing in a youth choir. By the time I popped the question, we had become the very best of friends. “Soul mates” is the term we used to describe each other.

After a couple of years of diligently trying to conceive, doctors informed us we were infertile, so we sought to adopt. That became a long, arduous, heartbreaking process. We ultimately gave up. I had mixed emotions—disappointment tempered by relief.

Out of the blue, a couple of years after we resigned ourselves to childlessness, we were given the opportunity to adopt.

A great shock came the day after we brought our son home from the adoption agency. While driving home for lunch, I was suddenly overcome with such emotion that I had to pull the car off to the side of the road. Never in my life had I experienced such pure, distilled joy and sense of purpose. I kept repeating, “I’m a dad,” over and over again. Nothing else mattered. I knew exactly where I fit in within this huge universe. When we brought home his brother nearly two years later, I was prepared: I could not wait to take him up in my arms and declare our kinship and my unconditional love and irrevocable responsibility for him.

Neither religion nor tradition turned me into a dedicated father. It was something wonderful from within—a great strength that has only grown with time. A complete surprise of the human spirit. In this way and many others, marriage—my bond with the mother of my children—has made me a much better person, a person I had no idea I had the capacity to become.

Intellectual Honesty and Surprise Conclusions

Unfortunately, a few years later my marriage ended—a pain known too easily by too many. At this point, the divorce allowed me to explore my homosexuality for the first time in my life.

At first, I felt liberated. I dated some great guys, and was in a couple of long-term relationships. Over several years, intellectual honesty led me to some unexpected conclusions: (1) Creating a family with another man is not completely equal to creating a family with a woman, and (2) denying children parents of both genders at home is an objective evil. Kids need and yearn for both.

It took some doing, but after ten years of divorce, we began to pull our family back together. We have been under one roof for over two years now. Our kids are happier and better off in so many ways. My ex-wife, our kids, and I recently celebrated Thanksgiving and Christmas together and agreed these were the best holidays ever.

Because of my predilections, we deny our own sexual impulses. Has this led to depressing, claustrophobic repression? No. We enjoy each other’s company immensely. It has actually led to psychological health and a flourishing of our family. Did we do this for the sake of tradition? For the sake of religion? No. We did it because reason led us to resist selfish impulses and to seek the best for our children.

And wonderfully, she and I continue to regard each other as “soul mates” now, more than ever.

Over the last couple of years, I’ve found our decision to rebuild our family ratified time after time. One day as I turned to climb the stairs I saw my sixteen-year-old son walk past his mom as she sat reading in the living room. As he did, he paused and stooped down to kiss her and give her a hug, and then continued on. With two dads in the house, this little moment of warmth and tenderness would never have occurred. My varsity-track-and-football-playing son and I can give each other a bear hug or a pat on the back, but the kiss thing is never going to happen. To be fully formed, children need to be free to generously receive from and express affection to parents of both genders. Genderless marriages deny this fullness.

There are perhaps a hundred different things, small and large, that are negotiated between parents and kids every week. Moms and dads interact differently with their children. To give kids two moms or two dads is to withhold from them someone whom they desperately need and deserve in order to be whole and happy. It is to permanently etch “deprivation” on their hearts.

Rich Versus Diminished Lives

Sexuality is fluid for many, and much more complex than many want to acknowledge. Gay and straight activists alike pretend this isn’t true in order to fortify their positions. If they fail to maintain that mirage, fundraising for their organizations might dry up, as would the requests for television and radio interviews. Yet the “B” in the middle of “LGBT” acknowledges an important reality concerning our human sexuality.

Here’s a very sad fact of life that never gets portrayed on Glee or Modern Family: I find that men I know who have left their wives as they’ve come out of the closet often lead diminished, and in some cases nearly bankrupt, lives—socially, familially, emotionally, and intellectually. They adjust their entire view of the world and their role within it in order to accommodate what has become the dominant aspect of their lives: their homosexuality. In doing so, they trade rich lives for one-dimensional lives. Yet this is what our post-modern world has taught us to do. I went along with it for a long while, but slowly turned back when I witnessed my life shrinking and not growing.

What Now?

In our day, prejudice against gays is just a very faint shadow of what it once was. But the abolition of prejudice against gays does not necessarily mean that same-sex marriage is inevitable or optimal. There are other avenues available, none of which demands immediate, sweeping, transformational legislation or court judgments.

We are in the middle of a fierce battle that is no longer about rights. It is about a single word, “marriage.”

Two men or two women together is, in truth, nothing like a man and a woman creating a life and a family together. Same-sex relationships are certainly very legitimate, rewarding pursuits, leading to happiness for many, but they are wholly different in experience and nature.

Gay and lesbian activists, and more importantly, the progressives urging them on, seek to redefine marriage in order to achieve an ideological agenda that ultimately seeks to undefine families as nothing more than one of an array of equally desirable “social units,” and thus open the door to the increase of government’s role in our lives.

And while same-sex marriage proponents suggest that the government should perhaps just stay out of their private lives, the fact is, now that children are being engineered for gay and lesbian couples, a process that involves multiple other adults who have potential legal custody claims on these children, the potential for government’s involvement in these same-sex marriage households is staggering.

Solomon only had to split the baby in two. In the future, judges may have to decide how to split children into three, four, or five equal pieces. In Florida, a judge recently ordered that the birth certificate of a child must show a total of three parents—a lesbian couple and a gay man (the sperm-providing hairdresser of one of the lesbian moms). Expect much more of this to come.

Statists see great value in slowly chipping away at the bedrock of American culture: faith and family life. The more that traditional families are weakened in our daily experience by our laws, the more that government is able to freely insert itself into our lives in an authoritarian way. And it will.

Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas at Austin, recently said, “I think you can have social stability without many intact families, but it’s going to be really expensive and it's going to look very ‘Huxley-Brave New World-ish.’ So [the intact family is] not only the optimal scenario … but it’s the cheapest. How often in life do you get the best and the cheapest in the same package?”

Marriage is not an elastic term. It is immutable. It offers the very best for children and society. We should not adulterate nor mutilate its definition, thereby denying its riches to current and future generations.

Paul Weber #fundie #homophobia rightwingwatch.org

Jayson was about eight years old when it started. It’s a real-life nightmare that wounds deeply and causes every mom and dad to shudder.

Over seven years, Jayson was sexually abused by several people. One of them was a scout leader — someone he should have been able to trust.

For Jayson, these events were not only traumatic, but they began a long struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions. Sadly, he’s hardly alone in this experience. Childhood sexual abuse is common for those who struggle with homosexual feelings, temptations, orientation and identity.

The good news is that Jayson found help that reversed the course of his life. It came in the form of professional counseling that — over a period of years — transformed his life and realigned his sexual identity with his faith. In fact, it was such a positive influence for Jayson that he’s now providing pastoral coaching to those who are dealing with similar struggles and their parents. God does work all things together for good (Rom. 8:28)!

But incredibly, there’s a movement under way in our nation to ban young people from receiving the same professional counseling that turned Jayson’s life around. State by state, “gay-rights” activists are pushing bills which mandate that counseling on sexual orientation be a one-way street — toward homosexuality.

If this dangerous scheme isn’t already the law in your state, an effort to pass it is coming soon. That’s why your Family Policy Alliance is gearing up in states across the nation to prevent this assault and to push back on states where it currently exists.

While the brazenness of this push is surprising, the energy behind it is not. After all, the homosexual movement has long had as its goals: tolerance, then forced acceptance and, ultimately, punishment to those who won’t embrace their agenda. These bans on therapy for minors are an attempt to force acceptance of homosexuality right into our own homes.

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