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Pepe Lives Matter #wingnut #fundie #conspiracy

“Social media operates off of fear in many ways.” Social media operates off *engagement*. Anger, fear, and lust are all very effective ways to induce engagement. Hell, even *this* site uses low-key anger as a means of engagement, and it barely even counts as social media.

“Politics uses fear as a weapon against the opposing side.” Well, yes? Also hatred. That’s propaganda and/or oppression. It would be ideal if that would stop, but it’s as old as civilization and we probably won’t be rid of it any time soon.

“great meme wars of 2016-2024″ Is this a reference to the occasional 4chan trolling campaigns? If so, those had very little effect outside your tiny bubbles. Regardless, touch grass plz.

“5G narrative warfare” The only narratives around 5G are “5G has magic powers which makes certain conspiracy theories possible” and “no”. Otherwise, 5G isn’t the internet nor the end-all of communication transmission (my internet is fiber optic cable, for example) and any other interpretation of that phrase is likely nonsensical.

“Waking up the populace” You mean, by making them “woke”? I mean, social media has resulted in a gradual increase in people who believe in conspiracy theories, but it’s also resulted in a decline in people who are religious.

“We're on the winning team. Nothing can stop it.” History strongly suggests that you are on the wrong side of it.

Rhoda Wilson #racist #wingnut #conspiracy

@Sasha #203587

That might be a better use of the metaphor than how I usually hear it. If only a small number of boats are catapulting into the stratosphere, it’s not the tide that’s rising.

@Bastethotep #203581

Well, they’re definitely revolting. In the adjective sense.

Devon Erikson #wingnut #racist #sexist #transphobia #elitist

There’s a seed of something worth discussing buried in there - historical cycles tend to suggest that society is most tolerant of differences when things are at their zenith and their nadir.

At the nadir, cooperation with everyone for survival becomes paramount, to the point where refusing to overlook differences can cost you big time. During the rebuild, everyone needs to be onboard with a certain vision of what society should become, and lack of conforming is now what can cost big time. In addition, there’s a heavy focus on breeding if there was a population crash in the past, which can cause issues with people who aren’t particularly inclined to do that. During the zenith, there isn’t any inherent cost to being different, though during the previous step it likely created a bunch of now-unnecessary restrictions which hurts a lot of people (but “different” people even more so). So now there’s a gradual removal of most of those restrictions, allowing people to see that differences aren’t necessarily bad. During the decline, people are desperately grabbing resources and flailing about, and are more inclined to sacrifice or steal from the “different” people if they have to do it to someone. Real history is a lot messier than this, it doesn’t always go in nice neat cycles or work out quite that way if it does. It’s more of a general tendency than a pattern, but it’s a thing a lot of people have noticed.

So in a sense, “luxury morality” could be a metaphorical term for a mode of thinking which comes up when times are good for most people, where a high percentage of the population don’t see any particular need to oppress/abuse the “other” for any sort of “greater good”. That said…

The OP seems to be using “luxury” in a different fashion here: implying that it comes with a high cost, which society can only afford when times are good. And possibly with the additional suggestions that things would be even better for most people if the cost were not paid, and that it’s not a good reflection of “real morality”. If so, that’s missing that oppression does come with a cost of its own. What really matters, then, is what you idealize. If you want a world where everyone can be themselves, tolerance is a low cost (for you and people like you) and high rewards (for your idealized society), while oppression is high cost (for you) and low rewards (for society). On the other hand if you prefer one where people conform to a particular narrow set of practices and ideals, tolerance is high cost (for you) and low reward (for that society), and oppression is low cost (for you, but not the people being oppressed) and high reward (for that society).

In that sense, “luxury morality” could easily be either “a moral framework which is easiest to implement in good times” or “a moral framework which comes at an unacceptable cost” and both could be describing the exact same situation. It just depends on who’s saying it, and why.

Alfred Lambremont Webre #crackpot #ufo #magick #conspiracy

<@KeithInc.> #203313

“Universe” originally meant “all that exists”, but then we got the idea of “alternate universes” which resulted in another speculative level of reality (and infinity?) beyond the universe - the multiverse. And then that lead to another speculative level of reality, which would be beyond “multiverse” if that also turned to be real - the metaverse. Not to be confused with the virtual reality concept by the same name, it is the possibility space of all things which can exist in some fashion, and perhaps do exist in some fashion, though not necessarily within what we would normally describe as a universe. Beyond that would be the omniverse, which doesn’t have any consistent definition that I know of, but would generally include an “outside” of space-time and any other layers of existence, whatever that would mean.

This sort of thing isn’t taken too seriously by most scientists. A multiverse of sorts is implied by many-worlds theory, which is still very much unproven, but outside of that there’s no way to even begin to figure out whether there’s any truth to those ideas or they’re pure nonsense.

Catherine Salgado #transphobia #fundie

Bullying and verbal abuse aren’t protected speech. This is just recognition that repeatedly and purposefully misgendering people amounts to bullying, and should be treated accordingly.

sanitycheck , Edelgard & IrishTheFrenchie #interphobia #transphobia

I'm sorry, but they SAY they believe Khelif is a woman with a DSD, but we all know if they actually thought that, they wouldn't give a single fuck. They defend him BECAUSE they know he's a man.

This is very illustrative how disconnected Overiters (Overitites?) have become in their echo chamber.

No one is saying that. Or rather, there are a very small number of people who believe that Khelif is intersex (without any proof) and those people very much do give a fuck. Regardless of whether those people consider her a “real woman” or not, they’re definitely not “defending” her right to engage in women’s boxing. They’ve reached the point where they think that most people know and believe the same things they do, it’s just that they’re among the increasingly rare number of people who choose not to be perverse. Mean while most of what they know is untested hypothesis which use other untested hypothesis as premises, resulting in beliefs which are far removed from most other people, and are not even wrong. In other words, it’s very deep in cult territory now.

Which makes the name “sanitycheck” rather ironic.

Jesse Lee Peterson #fundie

@Indicible #203289

In a limited sense, it might actually be. The type of Christian who worries too much a about the appearance of being “good” tends to adopt superficial trappings and displays of Christianity without being anything like a good person. Given that those people also strongly tend to develop some combination of superiority complex, persecution complex, and/or martyr complex, it can be hell for other people to deal with them. And unless they have a lot of power, hell for themselves, due to dealing with other people reacting badly to them, and failing to understand why.

Vox Day and @AllBiteNoBark88 #racist #fundie #conspiracy

That does indeed look like a city in France. But is it really Paris? And somewhere in the parts of Paris most directly affected by the Olympics? And regardless, when was it actually taken? This is remarkably light traffic, suggesting that it’s in the off-hours (early morning?) or during the pandemic lockdown. July 31 was when the original Xwitter post was made, not necessarily when the photo was taken. Or perhaps we don’t see anybody because they’re all off at the Olympics. This picture says nothing, and a reverse image search with TinEye (of the original, not the screenshot of the Xwitter post) didn’t find any other results, so I couldn’t confirm anything.

Most people in my social groups aren’t talking about the Olympics. Doesn’t mean I can’t find it being discussed excitedly elsewhere. Whatever you’re experiencing isn’t universal.

And I don’t get the meme. Must not be familiar enough with geek culture.

ushering in the Mark of the Beast with a cashless payment system

“Cashless Society” is not the future. It’s been in place for a long time now. I haven’t even used cash *at all* since the mid-2010s, and not a whole lot since the late 1990s. There are still some limited uses for cash (some even legitimate), which is why it hasn’t gone away completely, but it’s not like things go away completely just because they’re mostly or entirely obsolete if people still have a use for them.

BuZZin Leaf Guy #dunning-kruger #elitist #interphobia #transphobia #sexist

Cis woman shouldn't be allowed to compete against biological woman.

That does bring up that the terms “trans” and “cis”, as currently used, both have gray areas. With trans, it’s that some non-binary people say that some or all non-binary identities are part of the “transgender spectrum” or “transgender umbrella”, but others don’t really subscribe to that idea, saying that cis and trans are both binary identities. For cis, the gray area is mostly with intersex people; those who identify with their assigned-at-birth gender would call themselves cis (unless they’re “cis is a slur” types), but those who don’t might identify as non-binary, transgender, just intersex and nothing else, or even “cis-enby”. And then there are the extremely rare cases of someone being raised as the opposite sex, without input from them it’s difficult to describe them by either label. All this is a consequence of defining gender-related terms broadly and allowing people to identify with whatever they prefer, so long that it plausibly fits somewhere within those broad definitions.

However, unless this sentence is badly mangled (the OP meant something like “Even if cis, this woman shouldn’t be allowed…” which is certainly possible, given the rest of it) it’s obvious whatever definitions they’re using only incidentally barely overlaps with the normal definitions of “cis” and/or “biological”.

David Soloway #transphobia #sexist

How about you engage in the “thought correction” where that thing where you help spread baseless or even confirmed false rumors which can potentially permanently mess up someone’s life or put them through a humiliation conga for no real reason or even get them killed, and then go “welp, not my fault or responsibility” if you turn out to be wrong, and correct that to “actually, that shit’s not okay”?

(I mean, there’s some gray area where an accusation, true or not, becomes widespread knowledge but it’s treated as rumor because it sounds like one. Outside of that, I know rumors can be a memetic hazard, but seriously, at least try to consider that this is a *person* you’re talking about.)

various commenters #interphobia #transphobia

@Bastethotep #203071

Based on my observations so far I’d assume that in the case of something like that, most of them would try to explain that their body and genetics “convey the intention of having a womb” or some other awkward linguistic construction meant to communicate a particular concept which doesn’t have any good way of saying it (even “conveys the intention”, the best way I’ve seen to word it, sounds like it should imply conscious decisions are involved, and it’s not meant to imply that at all) and thus consider someone with Müllerian agenesis to be a real woman for everyday social purposes. But for ideological purposes, not having the authority to say anything about “true womanhood”, due to lacking the experience of menstruation and presumed experience of having spent most of their life from puberty onwards knowing that pregnancy is neither a prospect nor a risk.

(Transcript in case someone finds this in the archives and the image is broken)
Barbie: “But Ken, that Algerian boxer was born with a vagina.”
Ken: “So now that determines gender again?”
[later edit] There is a transcript already, I somehow failed to notice it twice.

I have the very strong impression that even if someone were to repeatedly tell them something “If she had a penis, we’d say she’s a woman. If she had a vagina, we’d say the same and also lambaste you for slandering her with a false rumor and oh wait that’s exactly what we’re doing and you’re being willfully obtuse about it”, regardless of the immediate aftermath of that, they’d soon carry on as if it never happened. It’d be mildly amusing the first time, but unless there happened to be an on-the-fence lurker (or observer, in the off chance it’s a face-to-face convo) it wouldn’t actually help anything.

Jesse Lee Peterson #sexist

Where the idealized Tradcon workaholic breadwinner father and stay-at-home-mother family happens in the real world, the children have a stronger bond with the mother than the father… excepting where she is abusive and the father isn’t (or at least is a lot less so). It’s a consequence of spending far more time together. Tradcons may not like this much if they see the children as both the father’s exclusive property, and more than mere trophies, but realistically this ideal collapses to dust in the face of human nature. But that doesn’t apply to situations where the mother works at a “men’s job” (or any other job) unless it’s part-time and while the kids are in school.

I suppose that this is what you get when you take a tradwife who takes the idea that women are born caretakers and nurturers and men aren’t very seriously, and also a straw feminist, then mash together the “worst” aspects of both (worst from the perspective of a tradhusband, that is) and then holding up the resulting schizophrenic mess as “women’s true nature”.

Alice M. Byrd #wingnut #transphobia #enbyphobia #conspiracy

The Progressives, Socialists and Marxists

The “Progressives and Socialists” are basically the same people: socialist-leaning liberals, which describes most Progressives these days. It’s possible that some of them might be pure socialists who don’t fully advocate their ideals for pragmatic reasons, though that still makes them progressives for all practical purposes. The somewhat vague right-wing concept of “Marxist” doesn’t describe anything real, so there are none of those. Don’t know about real Marxists.

have purposefully infected and now permeate throughout The US guv’mint,

“Infected” by… being open about their beliefs and getting elected legitimately? Also, “permeate” would be an exaggeration; there aren’t all that many right now (despite the media attention some of them get) and they don’t have any real ability to influence the Democratic Party, let alone the Government as a whole. You might as well say that Libertarians have “infected and permeated” the Republican party in the same fashion. I suppose you could count someone unelected but with a small degree of independent power like Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland (who I don’t know enough about to say for certain is progressive, so I’m guessing here), but even that’s not (yet?) at the same level as the power wielded by the Federalists for whom “permeated” would be a rather accurate description when it comes to the Federal Courts.

They have preached and PREACHED about how “They” are going to make their behaviors and policies transparent! It is my firm conviction that “They” have finally achieved their lofty goal.

Isn’t that a good thing? Even from the position of them being your ideological enemies, wouldn’t you want to know everything they were doing? The only way this makes any sense is if you see that openness as a “we can do anything and you can’t stop us” (and if such a sentiment would be largely correct if anyone did intend it to mean that) or you suddenly changed subjects between sentences and accidentally omitted the new subject.

I wanted the world to be REAL…

I mean, as much as we can determine that anything is “real”, the world will not become any less real in either the physical or metaphysical senses of the word just because society and/or humanity changes into something different. But, if you’re starting to feel pangs of derealization because the world seems to be moving away from whatever you find safe and familiar and [if correct in that assessment, justifiably] fear it worsening as time goes on, then ~~sucks to be you~~ that is a serious problem and you should get help with that. It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to make the world revolve around your personal comforts.

entities who can choose to be anything they want to be

This is bad because…? It’s hard to tell if you consider this to be an unrealistic promise, or bad because that would mean people “going against what God created them to be”, or if you fear your descendants erasing your genetic contribution to and ending your genetic line. Or possibly ending some sort of abstract spiritual/cultural/legacy descendant line, or some combination of the above.

For the first, it remains to be seen. The second, I’m an atheist, so I don’t personally consider that relevant, otherwise no comment. The third, a mere 7 generations practically erases any meaningful genetic link, as (barring inbreeding or separate family lines incidentally crossing generations later) there is less than 1% contribution remaining, and that tiny fraction is going to have partially been erased by mutation and sometimes partially washed away by genetic drift. For the fourth, all legacies end eventually, but so long as a sufficiently detailed record exists, cultural legacies can at least potentially be picked up again further down the line.

Of course you (and those who descend from you) can still choose to be an unmodified human if that’s what you/they want to be. If you’re afraid of forced (or heavily coerced) conversion, that’s not at all in the spirit of what anyone’s aiming for. Barring a hegemonizing capture à la something like the Borg, anyway, but nobody wants *that* to happen, and even if it never is or can’t be reversed, that’s not really worse for your “line” than someone just dying of the plague or something. Though I suppose there’s a horror in the idea that you or such descendants will be treated as pets at best (and probably a lot worse), which seems me the kind of thing one only worries about if you’re the sort to treat “different” people as subhuman.

Get ready to enjoy your breakfast of mealworms and your hovel of mud and straw;

Don’t be ridiculous. No one’s going to force-feed you bugs just to gross you out or humiliate you. For pure economics reasons, maybe, but that would be a rather contrived scenario. Even in the worst dystopias, your hovel would be made of low-grade steel and low quality concrete, or maybe polystyrene or wood paste, any of which would ironically be cheaper to build and easier to maintain than mud and straw in that economy. Also I’m not sure how a society of “entities who can choose to be anything” would put up with that, especially considering that the dragons would just eat anyone who tried to go there. 😁

Concerned Residents of Florida #wingnut #crackpot #conspiracy

@TheKingOfRhye #203052

Doesn’t much matter. If they were hoping for or expecting a wide-margin victory that didn’t happen, the Dems still cheated, even if they narrowly won anyway. They’re nearly as sore winners as they are losers.

Henry Makow PhD #wingnut #racist #fundie #transphobia #homophobia #conspiracy #ableist

Minor bit of pedantry, but something which I felt like tackling in detail anyway:

“Dark”, when used in a technical sense, means something like invisible/obscured/opaque, generally referring to something where information is sorely lacking and very difficult or impossible to come by. As a couple of examples, “going dark” means cutting off outside communications, and “dark matter” is a phenomenon with matter-like qualities which we are unable to study or detect directly.

“Dark age” refers to any period after historical records first became common in a particular region, but the historical records of that period have some pretty big holes in it. The reasons for those holes indicate a major shift of some kind which de-prioritizes record-keeping, which can have any number of causes. It is not synonymous with “collapse of civilization”, though that can occasionally be the trigger. It’s not synonymous with loss of knowledge and/or technology either - knowledge and technology do tend to get “lost” over time, due to becoming obsolete or no longer useful. This loss may be accelerated very early on during a dark age, and nearly always for those reasons, but that doesn’t mean that knowledge and tech do not continue to be developed - though in the case of civilization collapse, it might be temporarily slowed.

More relevant to this, neither is it synonymous with “moral collapse”. Dark ages usually do result in major changes in religion and/or social mores, but it don’t always. Major changes in religion and/or social mores are not known to trigger a dark age, or at least not directly. The reason why “moral collapse” is somewhat correlated with a prelude to a dark age is due to the rise in hedonism and opulence among the elites when Empires are at their height; the number of elites don’t greatly increase, but the resources that some of them can command does, resulting in a glut of wealth and not enough useful things to do with it. These heights eventually end due to overreach, though not suddenly - a gradual splintering of the Empire follows, which is likely to result in a dark age in part or all of the formerly controlled region. The cause (or at least the provably direct cause) of this is *not* the opulence and hedonism, but the overreach.

If there’s a new dark age coming, it won’t be because we accept non-whites, gays, trans people, crossdressing, furries, or any other people and/or activities which they don’t approve of for religious reasons. It will be because globalization proved to be a severe overreach in some fashion, or because of the slow-motion catastrophe that is climate change, or because of some black swan event (say, someone manages to wipe out both the internet and the majority of video and paper records). Even then such things might not do that much in terms of making things “dark” to future historians, at most setting things back to a more “normal” level of lasting records - today we have a veritable firehose of events being recorded for posterity, and at a far greater level of detail and accuracy.

TL;DR I’m not sure you really understand what a “dark age” is or how and why they happen.

Concerned Residents of Florida #wingnut #crackpot #conspiracy

Used to be that they’d say Hurricanes and Tornadoes were God’s way of warning them that they were tolerating too much gayness. Now it’s because Globalists are using DARPA to genocide Real Americans™. Can’t tell if that’s a step up, down, or sideways.

Tatsuya Ishida #transphobia #conspiracy #racist #kinkshaming

Translation note: “Qui écrit ces conneries?” means “Who writes this bullshit?”

Also this punchline has been used twice in the past year already, with his “Dumb American Guy TV sitcom” and “Dumb German Guy black and white movie from the 1930s” strips.

@PMSFKS1 #203023

This strip was posted a week ago, before the Imane Khelif controversy happened.

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy #wingnut

At this point it’s basically like GCs: “[person] probably has a penis” Others: “No they don’t” GCs: “Oh so you admit genitals matter now?” Others: “for determining who is a man or woman? No. But we do care that you’re spreading baseless rumors.” GCs: “Just admit you have no consistency, and therefore our views are the only valid ones!”

Some of this idiocy seems to stem from pre-deciding what their ideological enemies are going to say and then ignoring what they actually do say when the time comes.

various commenters #interphobia

@Citizen_Justin #202932

Khalif hasn’t been confirmed to have XY chromosomes, or even be intersex. She’s been tested for having elevated testosterone but came back negative. However, she absolutely “must” be intersex because the IBA wouldn’t allow her to compete due to “failing a gender check” in 2023. The IBA is currently controlled by Ubar Kremev, a Russian, and has been known to disqualify non-Russians for dubious reasons in order to improve the odds of Russian victories. Since the testosterone thing has been debunked, the “Khalif must be intersex” contingent has decided that the reason is because XY chromosomes, and not because Kremev is a duplicitous hack. In other words, it’s pure rumor.

Sigh. At this point I’m wondering if they’re going to be laser-focused on Khalif for awhile, or if they’re going to be like “squirrel!” and pivot to transvestigating Lin Yu-Ting, or somewhere in between.

Jeanice Barcelo #crackpot #quack #conspiracy

Sound is technically a form of radiation (albeit not carried by a particle, though you can describe it mathematically in terms of a virtual particle called a phonon) and it’s technically non-ionizing in the sense that there’s no ionization involved at any level. That doesn’t mean that the usual definition of “non-ionizing radiation” applies here.

I’m wondering if this is a case of confusing cause and effect. Suspected fetal abnormalities call for more ultrasounds, so you’d expect to see a highly disproportionate number of ultrasounds showing fetal abnormalities.

Mitch McConnell #wingnut #elitist #dunning-kruger #mammon

The main influences on the US Constitution were the Magna Carta, the principles of the Iroquois Confederacy, and the humanist writings of Jean-Jacques Rousseau. (Unlike what some people think, Athenian Democracy had little to no influence.) Meanwhile the Federalists appear to be interpreting the Constitution in the light of the Magna Carta, British Royalists who were exactly the sort of people the Founders despised, and weird bullshit they made up to justify what their ultra-rich sugar daddies demand. That’s only “following the Constitution” on a technicality, at best. At worst, it’s a fig leaf to pretend they’re not just ignoring and doing whatever they want.

various commenters #interphobia

Although I will say demanding to compete with women, after finding out that you're overwhelmingly likely to severely injure or kill them, is extremely male-coded.

🤨 😒 🙄 Even if testosterone (or the Y chromosome, whichever they’re imagining here) was some sort of magical “hulk out and accidentally kill people” substance, the majority of Olympic sports don’t involve direct physical contact. Caster Semenya is not going to randomly trip, go flying out of her lane, land on one of her competitors, and either literally crush her competition by having a 50-ton body or go berserk and beat them to death.

On top of that, this is insulting women by implying that it’s unwomanly to be assertive, and women who are athletes by implying that no amount of physical training will make them any less fragile. Or in the case where they meant “in everyday life” rather than in athletics, that’s rather bleak to assume that anyone who is not a “true woman” by rather exclusionary standards is a rabid beast who might attack you at any moment. I mean, yes, be safe about strangers, especially those who appear to be men, but that’s extremely over-the-top paranoid.

Laura Loomer #racist

Out of context you can’t tell if this is supposed to be anti-Trump or anti-Harris. It’s bizarre regardless.

Spiritual Master Free Spirit #crackpot #magick #ufo #quack

At the center of the Milky Way is Sagittarius A*. It is rather not blue, but black. It is also indeed “beyond ordinary reality and space-time” in the sense that the interior is cut off from the outside. It almost certainly does not radiate whatever magical effects you attribute to it.

Toni Coleman #fundie

The bible doesn’t claim to preexist the flood, or that any books/scrolls/tablets survived it either for that matter. So even as a dubious source of “history”, it still implies a prehistory.

:The-Great-Work. #crackpot #conspiracy #racist #wingnut

Don’t forget the real reason why people say “HELLo” and “goodBUY” is because they’re demons who want to purchase your soul. 😛

Peter B. Meyer #magick #ufo #quack #conspiracy

“You are more powerful than you think! But actually you aren’t because that power was taken away. But that’s okay because you’ll get it back in 2000 years!” …All righty then.

Jeff of Norwich #fundie

Earlier this year, they were the first country to make ~~prenatal murder~~ *abortion* a constitutional right - FIFY

This is only unusual because most countries don’t actually spell out specific civil rights in their constitution. They instead spell out things like that in constitutional laws or rights acts or the equivalent. (I’m pretty sure India does, but then again, India’s constitution is hundreds of pages long.) Political rights (or at least the most fundamental ones) are spelled out in a constitution, yes, but while the border between a political and a civil right can be fuzzy on occasion, most would consider abortion to fall squarely in civil rights territory.

Regardless, a quick check reveals that the number of countries which abortion is a civil right is 67 out of 195. Which sadly no longer includes the US. And in the majority of remaining countries, it’s not really considered a right, but not necessarily illegal either.

(Fun fact found while I was checking the above: Apparently the first country to make abortion a civil right was the Soviet Union in 1955; Russia and most of the former Soviet Satellites have continuously kept this since the breakup.)

Grayson Bakich #transphobia

I’ve seen it noted that clowns are gradually becoming either psycho monsters or wacky sex fetishes, while drag is gradually becoming desexualized and filling the void left by clowns. That evolution is far from complete, of course, as traditional drag and clowning is still fairly common. But leave it to conservatives to totally fail to notice ongoing cultural trends and then totally miss the point of them when they finally do notice.

notsofreshfeeling & Killer_Danish #transphobia

It’s interesting what things they usually choose to focus on. For example:

How kind of him to erase lesbians by allowing men and boys to call themselves "lesbian."

I almost never see anyone make the point that trans men calling themselves “gay” amounts to them erasing gay men. I mean that I’ve definitely seen it, it’s just much rarer than the reverse. Of course this could easily be explained by TERFs (excepting those who are tradcons in disguise) mostly not caring about anything perceived (accurately or not) to cause harm to men, and tradcons not caring about any perceived harm to non-het sexual identities. But the one thing which I’ve never seen anywhere: The idea that a trans person in a relationship with an opposite-gender cis person, erases heterosexuality. That one might “trick” an individual cishet is a thing which might still occasionally get said, but straightness in general is not noted as being less intact.

And one may note also that, in general, the primary focus is on trans women being a threat to cis women, with a secondary-at-best focus being on trans men being a threat to themselves. For an example of the latter, “chopping off healthy breast tissue” is framing mastectomy as self-harm. The one major exception that I’ve seen is that “chopping off boy’s penises” is instead framed as a threat to masculinity, as if doctors would just chop off someone’s manhood for funsies or a nefarious agenda or something. That’s a tradcon thing, though, as TERFs just find all sorts of weird justifications to make it a threat to femininity instead.

Plumber #wingnut

House Repubs are too busy trying to re-elect themselves and Tmurp right now anyway. And if they succeed (hopefully they won’t) either whatever gets done with Agenda 45 and/or Project 2025 will make a new HUAC largely unnecessary, or Tmurp will find a way to fuck everything up so badly that they’ll be too busy dealing with that.

Robert Spencer #transphobia #sexist

Well aksually, these days opposing abortion, same-sex marriage, and no-fault divorce does indeed make you the weird ones. We’re not quite there on trans rights, but we’re working on it.

I don’t feel like researching right now, but I’m wondering whether the “preposterous” refers to the idea that marriages can be abusive, or that Vance himself would go quite that far. If it’s the former, it’s very misinformed and/or delusional.

SoctaticMethod1 #transphobia #conspiracy

You know, if we didn't hear it was transphobic to demand repercussions for a tranny grooming minors, we wouldn't think trans was linked to pedophilia.

Sure, Jan. If people hadn’t said it was transphobic, you’d just have taken a little longer to hear about it, and take the lack of denial as proof that trans people were indeed linked to pedophilia.

dobby & CryingInYourInbox #transphobia

So men are faking being weak for fetish reasons, but we should ban HRT because it makes them actually weak, and weak men are more dangerous to women for some reason, but no actually we shouldn’t ban HRT just make them pay out of pocket for it so long as they stay away from women and still identify as men? Wow these people are not on the same page here.

BIBLE UNFOLD #fundie #crackpot

@JeanP #202419

People have often suggested doing this, the problem is that 1.) The currently reconstructed proto-languages are probably not perfect reconstructions; 2.) Entire language families have either ceased to exist or left only one or two isolates, leaving holes in the data to reconstruct the ancestor of all proto-languages, 3.) Even that doesn’t necessarily reconstruct the Ur-language, as the resulting proto-proto language might merely be one step further back.

And then there’s an issue with wanderworts (German for “wander words”), which are words which, over time, can spread across most or all of a language family, despite potentially not even originating within that family. You can “reconstruct” it all the way back to the proto-language despite it only first showing up much later. It can also potentially displace existing words, which can potentially result in a displaced word not being reconstructed from the proto-language.

Also it’s likely that the very first language spoken by early homo sapiens consisted mostly of hand signs supplemented by onomatopoeia. You can’t really reconstruct that.

Andrew Anglin #transphobia

Obligatory Elon Musk Star Trek Meme response to “Musk is a Genius”

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Vivian Wilson’s side of it is that her father (Elon) had barely even met her and the stuff he talked about in his interview was entirely made up.

As for Anglin, he should be nowhere near any child. Or adult, for that matter.

Michail Chkhikvishvili #racist #psycho #wingnut

@Bastethotep #202316

are we the baddies?

Maybe he thinks he’s an anti-villain? That is, someone who does evil with good motivations, or at least the expectation of good outcomes. If so, he’d have to be extremely self-aware and all-around weird because actual anti-villains, whether or not he would qualify as one, almost never think they’re doing evil.

Don Spectacularis #ufo #magick #conspiracy

I initially parsed that as “star (family members)” with star being in the sense of standout/important and not “(star family) members” as in… aliens who are metaphysical kin to humanity, apparently.

I thought that this was going to be about people who approach dating in a transactional way applying that sort of thing to family relationships as well, particularly individuals who are more accomplished than them… or perhaps higher in the social pecking order. I was not expecting it to turn into “don’t worship aliens, force them to worship you”.

Steve Kirsch #conspiracy #wingnut

You’d have a stronger case that Ted Cruz, who was running for prez in 2016, is not a “natural born citizen” (and probably would have needed a court ruling to clarify this had he won the Republican primaries back then). He was born in Canada, but there is a bit of wiggle room as one of his parents was a US citizen. But at least some conservatives got all pissy when that was brought up. The difference? He’s one of them, and seen as white.

Danlboon #wingnut #conspiracy

@Sasha #201967

Or, to perhaps put it a bit clearer, Sovcits are a real group of people, in the sense that there are people who have a lot of beliefs in common who identify by that label. But at the same time, it’s not really possible to be one as they define the term, because that definition makes incorrect factual claims about the legal system and requires those claims to be true in order to properly exist and function as a Sovcit.

They use the first sense (they are part of group of people identifying by that label) to affirm the existence of the second sense (reality works the way they think it should). Which probably counts as a form of equivocation, though I suspect that’s not the only fallacy involved here.

ProtoMario #wingnut

1.) Mark Hamill is an actor, not a media character.
2.) Even if he has/had a narrow acting range and was essentially playing himself as Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy (I don’t know about him enough to say if that’s true or not), Return of the Jedi was in 1983. That’s a long time to potentially change as a person.
3.) Especially since he’s been voicing cartoon supervillains, with his best-known role being the Joker, since the 1990s. Which either says he has a wide acting range and you can’t use the roles he’s played as an example of anything, or he’s changed a lot.

various commenters #transphobia

I’m not sure how “trans women are women”, “some women can’t get pregnant”, “trans women are among those can’t get pregnant”, “some women who can’t get pregnant want to be able”, and “some trans women want to get pregnant” are supposed to be contradictory. That seems like an entirely reasonable and logical progression.

Young Dixie #sexist #forced-birth #racist #kinkshaming

@Creativerealms #201558 , @Yutolia #201554

The “freedom” to exist in a world/nation/region without the influence of “feminism”, obvs.

Most of these range from difficult to unrealistic so long as democracy exists in this hypothesized “New South”, and it appears from #6 that they don’t plan to get rid of it, or at least not entirely.

But the most unrealistic is #1. One could *maybe* cut off online porn by creating a Great Firewall of the South, but good luck trying to seize OnlyFans, as it’s based out of London.

Mike Adams the Health Ranger #wingnut #quack #conspiracy

@Bastethotep #201283

Okay I glossed over that. But given the high degree of overlap in targets, and similar types of dehumanization involved, would there even be a practical difference?

“Zombie apocalypse” 😒 …given that the rest of this seems entirely serious, please tell me this does not mean “murder people I’m bigoted against using the excuse they might be looters” or something similarly depraved.

various commenters #transphobia

Changing one's name is no big deal (as long as the previous name is not obliterated; there is no such thing as a "dead name").

The origin of the term “dead name” is “name which I will be called after I die” by trans people who expected to be referred to by their birth name at their funerals, on their tombstone, and in the news report if there was one, if they were murdered (or otherwise came to an untimely end) because their family did not respect their identity. These days it’s more often spelled without the space between the words (“deadname”) and used along the lines of “name which I no longer use and would prefer to become forgotten” or “name of my ‘past self’ which is effectively dead to me and the people I care about”. Regardless of which definition one uses, it’s a metaphorical concept which some people find useful, so dismissing it as “not real” is just being obdurate and rude.

The irony is that they actually provided an example of how a name can truly become “dead” in an almost literal sense, by erasing all record of that name and having no one who alive who knows it (perhaps not including the person themselves, and any living person who knew it but forgot or at least pretends to have forgotten out of respect). I’d be very surprised if this has never happened. You can’t reasonably claim that something doesn’t exist yet must be forbidden!

MaizePsychological41 #psycho #dunning-kruger

I’m not pro-slapping-kids. I’m not pro-killing-pets either. Both are wrong, but the second is much more wrong.

I’m not sure how I’d react to this situation in-person. Telling the adult person (parent?) not to hit kids could come off as being either appropriate or inappropriate, depending on the circumstances and the observer - it’s a very understandable but wrong reaction to a very messed-up situation, is what I’m saying. But the OP’s reaction is ridiculously over-the-top to the point of being very definitely inappropriate, and if not meant in a hyperbolic fashion, psychotic as well.