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(sophiedk)

2 types of trans

Interesting group. I have this fetish to some extent, but no confusion about identity. To my mind, there seems to be 2 different sets of people involved here. There are people with genuine identity issues or those who are biological outliers, a small minority. And then there is the new wave of hyperexualised folks who are being enabled by blankslate ideas about gender. Maybe feminism took a wrong turn when it started indentifying gender with culture rather than biology? Gender is multilayered, culture and roles are a layer on top of biology, but biology is real. There have always been people a bit closer to the middle of the bell curves, but society seemed able to cope with that.

(sosososhocking)

I think quite a lot of AGPers/trans are motivated by a combination of their desire to go full-time with the fetish, and an aversion to being called a pervert. Nobody in their right mind would want to be seen as a perverted guy in a dress. It's much more palatable to be a "trans woman", especially because in many circles anyone who refuses to play along will suffer repercussions.

Sure, there are intersex people but they literally make up about a half percent of the population at best. They are often used by trans activists to claim that gender isn't clear cut, but (1) it is for 99.95% of the population and (2) you guys aren't intersex anyway.

(GinFoss)

You're right, but your number might be wrong. It's estimated at 1/1500 to 1/2000 births according to the North American Intersex Society. So it's actually more like 99.99933% of the population does not fall under the umbrella of intersex. As a matter of statistics, just purely mathematically, that's statistically insignificant, and definitely doesn't prove that sex is a spectrum.

That's why it's so, so, so, so, so stupid to say "assigned male" or "assigned female" at birth. It's not assigned, it's observed. Bringing up the rare case of intersex to challenge that is like saying it's incorrect to say humans have 5 fingers on each hand simply because you can cite a rare mutation causing supernumerary digits. That doesn't mean the number of fingers is a bloody spectrum.

And as another person said, many of those cases don't involve ambiguous genitalia (Klinefelter syndrome, and Complete Androgen Insensitivity are two good examples of males and females respectively who are genetically intersex, but have unambiguous genitals)

(Poolooloo)

A lot of “intersex” people fall clearly on one side or another and might even go their whole lives not knowing they are anything other than an XX female or XY male. People say “intersex” and think someone either completely androgynous with a penis and vagina, or just nothing down there like a Ken doll but it includes a lot of conditions, only a few of which would really make someone’s gender indeterminate.

Even when intersex people are born with ambiguous genitalia, which they often are, they still fall into one sex or another as determined by their chromosomes. For example Kline-felters males have XXY chromosomes. They are still considered male. There is no such thing as a true hermaphrodite because of these reasons and you will never find an intersex person with working female and male reproductive organs.
It’s also really a misnomer to compare people born with such a serious physical condition to a mental condition which being gender dysphoric is.

It would be a bit like saying humans don’t actually have 2 arms because every 10,000 births someone is born with a missing arm, hand, or finger, therefore the number of limbs on a human body is a “spectrum”.

(palerthanrice)

Was it feminists though? To be honest not up to speed on how this shit show started. I know libfems sure to push this junk science.

Some people just want to feel radical. For a lot of women, they start out with feminism because it’s a fight for their own people. If you’re a woman, it feels natural to be involved in this cause, it makes sense that this is something you’d care about, and it feels good to be fighting for something.

But once that feeling of fighting wears off, some people switch causes. Gay rights was another natural progression. Many women are gay and are further discriminated due to that, so fighting for gay rights still feels like fighting for your own people.

I think most normal people saw this coming, but after gay marriage was legalized nationwide, that cause also grew stale. Women who had been chasing that high latched onto the next progression from gay rights, which was trans rights. While the vast majority of trans people are men trying to be women, these habitual radicals believe it’s related to women’s rights because most trans people believe that they are “women on the inside.” So by fighting for the rights of these people, they believe that they’re fighting for the rights of their fellow woman.

All in all, the root of the whole trans issue is AGP men taking advantage of the empathetic nature of women and men being too afraid of ostracization to stick up for what they know is right. As a man, when I talk to any straight man about trans people in a one on one environment, every single time their opinion is between “Fuck that” or “I believe people have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, but that stuff is clearly mental illness.” I get varying responses when it comes up in one on one conversations with my friends who are women EXCEPT the most “radical” women I know all support it fully.

(Ohhiohyo)

Women’s subjugation is because of gender. Women are not naturally the property of men. It’s not feminist’s fault that men get off on thinking otherwise. Transgenderism is just the newest form of men’s desire to control the power of naming. Some men have now inverted their desire for a big titty sexbot/anime loli/whatever they think a women is in their heads because they don’t have the power to turn a real women into their fantasy.

(palerthanrice)

This is definitely on the right track. I think the submissiveness of trans people is evidence of how they view women should be to men.

I think there’s a lot of deluded feminists who got tired of women’s rights and moved to gay rights (to fight for fellow gay women). Then after gay marriage got legalized nationwide, they moved to trans rights because they were told that these men were actually “women on the inside.”

So it’s not really a problem with feminism or feminists in general, but rather women who just want to feel radical and got fooled into supporting junk science. Luckily, many of these women spend a few years supporting this movement but eventually bail out because it becomes obvious that these people are just mentally ill and not “women on the inside.”

Re: just call a suicide hotline bro. they’ll help you! []

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(WailingWhalesInWales)

These seem like well-adjusted people.

Here's a copy paste edit of a comment I recently made:

I honestly believe that ITcels are lower intelligence than average though. Their complete lack of ability to form arguments and use logic is actually outstanding. Whenever you engage with an ITcel, it's like fighting a wild animal. They just foam at the mouth and shit everywhere. Even within their own community they will upvote comments that are blatantly irrational or paradoxical.

When you consider that the majority of ITcels are suffering from mental disorders such as bipolar, schizophrenia, and transgenderism, it makes sense. If you don't believe me, you can see this for yourself by briefly clicking through random users in any IT thread and check out their active communities/brief post history. The most hilarious (and highly prevalent) archetype among them is the soycucks who have outright misogynistic or alt right coping (such as the_donald--a subreddit that blackedsigma has in his active community list) post histories. You can literally see their internal mental battle between hating women and being a whiteknight cuck. These people are not in a stable mindset.

(Anormalregularperson)

They want to live up to their culture’s idealization of the word “good” more than they are able to be curious about what is real. They are more attached to the idea of “good guys” and “bad guys” than they are attached to the desire to know what is true.

That’s why their capacity for logic and reason is very poor, while their will to make fun and shame is very advanced. Lots of them are literally living the truths and realities that are presented here, but because these facts make them uncomfortable or stimulate intense cognitive dissonance within them they just deny it out of pure emotion, cherry picking the most ignorant comments and retreating into the self righteous comfort of feeling morally superior to others.

So many men today are literally involuntary celibate, or are very close to being incel that it is ridiculous....and it’s actually getting worse. The implications of this reality are unacceptable for the gynocentric, women are wonderful status quo. Rather than confront this in a rational way, many men would rather posture to show that they are attractive in some way (think of how common it is for men to fraud or exaggerate, especially online, their moral fashionableness, their height, their partner count, their penis size, how much money they make, ect) to feel good about themselves and like a “good”/“real” man to complete anonymous strangers on the internet.

As long as it makes them feel superior to shame anti-gynocentric thought, that’s exactly what they are going to do. They don’t care at all about what is logical or what is true, they only really care for their own image....the epitome of a feminized mindset and culture.

(doomercel)

IT soyboys are garbage who think they know it all throwing their bluepills out, but tbh, the roasties on IT are some of the most cruellest cunts in existence that definitely do get off on suicide and making men miserable. that's why IT foids come here and mock us.

(FAloner)

They are worse than us. Almost everyone of us wouldn't even harm a fly, meanwhile they talk people into suicide.

And no, inceltears, we're not encouraging suicide amongst ourselves, the rope meme is an expression of despair, helplessness, and understanding.

(TimeToMurder)

good thing I already 100% disregard normy society in every way and if I ever have problems I either deal with it myself or vent to obscure, hated internet subcultures. Would never call some faggot normie on a suicide hotline. Why? Probably just a low IQ douche obsessed with being perceived in a good light and has no real convictions.

(31cabbage)

Please remember, suicide hotlines are made for "lonely" mothers, frustrated family men, attractive teenagers who broke up with their 5th boyfriend etc etc.

They are not made for childless low value unattractive males. There is no guarantee of anonymity, don't make your life worse. Don't let them stamp you with a loony tag and use it against you later on.

(LyricThrowAgay)

See, there's really no reason why incels and their rhetoric should bother them. Accept, they're basically the lowest of the low themselves. So they need to hate you guys to make it through the day.

No different than coping racist in my opinion. Might as well find a way to profit of them.

(interruptor-)

They’d put us in concentration camps if they had a chance. Fuck law fuck morality we only want to kill ugly people who are bitter and got buttfucked by life.

Unironically diabolic people. I would never wish such things (perhaps to some serial killers, but this is not the case).

(redlionred)

hate those weaker than you. be a heartless savage but twist it to make it seem the weak deserve it. same logic is used by western white nations to attack and destroy weaker "so called uncivilized" non-white nations.

(youjustabattlerapper)

The only thing that can generate this type of hate is self loathing

They know they are incel and only by hating incels as viciously as possible can they "maintain" the lie that they are not one

Just smdh

(Carkudo)

That is pretty horrible, but it's a bit more understandable when you see what they're replying to:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/ao3lrz/if_she_says_no_scald_her/efypbso/?context=8&depth=9

Yeah dude, if abusing the already flawed mental health system to goad people you don't like into suicide can be "understandable" to you, you're a piece of shit and need to be isolated. You're disgusting.

How the hell do you privileged fucks even grow to be this evil? You get showered with love all your life and yet come out uglier than some criminals.