#homophobia

All about the Gay Agenda

Alex Jones #conspiracy #homophobia youtube.com

(Transscript of video)
In the interval [?] the Pentagon just tested a gay bomb on Iraq, they considered it, they didn’t [?] consider using it, they used it on our troops, in Vietnam, they sprayed PCP on our troops - Jacob’s Ladder - ha - you think PCP - some horse tranquilizers or something? They got some stuff that’ll whack your brain permanently.
[pause]
Brain chips in the troops. They give the troops special vaccines that really [?] nanotech that auto[?]-re-engineers their brains.
[pause]
Now there is the gay bomb.
[pause]
Look it up for yourself, this is what do you think tap water is, it’s a gay bomb, baby.
[pause]
And I’m not saying people didn’t naturally have homosexual feelings, I’m not even getting into it, quite frankly, give me a break. You think I… I’m, like, shocked by it [?] [incomprehensible] bashing it because I don’t like gay people. I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER! THEY TURN THE FRICKING FROGS GAY!
[pause]
Do you understand that?
Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! Ungh! [bangs paper on table]
Crap!
I’m sick of being socially engineered! It’s not funny!

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

Today's Apostate Churches are Filled with Modernists!

Photo to Right: A homosexual painting by artist, Becki Jayne

The artwork to the right is also found on JesusInLove.org (Ms. Kittredge website). The painting was designed to identify a rejected Christ with rejected homosexuals. The message is evil, unbiblical, and blasphemous to God Almighty! This is another master deception by Satan to dupe naive people into believing that homosexuals are equal to Jesus in their sufferings.

Jesus was persecuted because He preached the TRUTH... John 8:40, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." Jesus was rejected by most people because He spoke the Truth!

Homosexuals on the other hand, are not accepted because homosexuality is unhealthy, unnatural, uncivilized, and ungodly!!! We're talking apples and oranges here folks. How dare Becki Jayne, Kittredge Cherry, and other homosexuals, pervert the meaning of the cross of Christ, by alleging that their rejection is no different than what Jesus endured. Homosexuality MUST be rejected because it goes hand-in-hand with apostasy, AIDS, the deterioration of society, and the judgment of God.

Marsha Stevens is a professed Christian, who operates the ministry BALM (Born Again Lesbian Music). Sadly, Bill Gaither has befriended her, singing in concert with her, and has remained silent about the sin of homosexuality. Apostasy has crept into so many churches that today that a Bible-believing Christian is criticized for speaking out against sin. Tragically, the average professed "Christian" today is more upset with people like me (who preach against sin), than they are with the rockers, lesbians, abortionists, strippers, and shysters who deceitfully CLAIM to be "Christian."

Our churches are filled with modernists who aren't what they appear to be, "...having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." That "power" is the Gospel (Romans 1:16). Modernists are everywhere today! They talk about the Bible, spiritual concepts, Biblical teachings, and the principles Jesus taught; BUT, they are unsaved, unregenerated, unrepentant, and on their way to Hell without Jesus Christ. They will certainly die in their sins if they continue on their present path of destruction.

I find the artwork above very offensive and blasphemous. Jesus was not a "faggot." The message being implied by the above picture is that any criticisms or rejection of homosexuality is equal to Christ-rejection. Talk about REVERSE-PSYCHOLOGY! Homosexuality is DIAMETRICALLY opposed to everything the Word of God teaches! The Bible is incontrovertible concerning the sinfulness of homosexuality. Any child knows that it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. God called homosexuals "sodomites" in the Old Testament (King James Bible), linking their wicked sin with the destruction which fell upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is it any wonder why the apostate New International Version NIV translators completely removed the word "sodomite" from the Bible? To no surprise, the same parent company which publishes the NIV also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex. A homosexual recently wrote me, alleging that Ezekiel 16:49-50 indicates that Sodom wasn't destroyed mainly for homosexuality. Argue as they may, the hideous sin which is spotlighted in Genesis 19:4-11 is homosexuality. By the way, these same Scriptures in Genesis reveal the violence, lawlessness, cold-heartedness, and vile affections which become more evident in a homosexualized society. The United States is headed for some dark times as homosexuality saturates our society and churches.

Those Who Seek to Legitimize and Justify Homosexuality are LIARS!

Photo to Left: A popular gay painting of Judas showing homosexual affection to Christ. This is sick!

Anyone who pretends that Jesus was a homosexual is a deceiver! Judas did not kiss Jesus with homosexual affection. Jesus and John were not gay lovers! Kittredge Cherry's new book, Jesus In Love, presents Jesus and John as gay lovers. Kittredge Cherry is unjust towards the Savior. She admits that she CAN'T prove Jesus was homosexual, but she writes a fictitious novel attacking Him nevertheless.

She has assassinated Jesus' character! Woe unto those who attack the Lord, and take His name in vain! To say that Christ was a homosexual is the same as calling Him a sinner, which is a denial of His deity. Jesus hated iniquity (Hebrews 1:9). The Word of God states that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION (i.e., hate coupled with disgust) to God. Homosexuality is utterly disgusting.

itisamuh #fundie #homophobia mmo-champion.com

The only reason marriage gives financial benefits is because it's working under the assumption that they're preparing to raise a family. A gay couple can't have kids, and shouldn't be allowed to adopt, so that's out. Those financial benefits are also the only reason, aside from preparing a family, to get married in the first place. So if they were doing that, that's pretty much screwing over all single people. You'd have people, who aren't gay or in a relationship at all, just friends, getting married for those legal benefits. That's not right. It's taking something that's supposed to be meaningful and abusing it for personal gain. Oh, and because homosexuality is an unnatural taboo, and taboos shouldn't be supported or encouraged legally or socially. Standards in general seem to be losing their meaning in today's society.


what?
1) that's not the only reason, if you think it is, i'd like to see some backup. you make the claim, the burden of proof lies on you.
2) why shouldn't gays be allowed to adopt again?
3) straight people DO do that all the time, hell i knew people that would get married just so they could move off-base when they were in the military.
4) how is homosexuality unnatural again?
5) how is it a universal taboo? you're aware that taboos are a culturally distinctive thing, right? every culture has a different s


These threads always seem to get me in trouble, or at least annoyed, so this will probably be my last post. If you respond, I won't see it.

1. Don't spout off the burden of proof crap. I can turn that around and say prove that it's not the only reason. I can tell just by your lingo that you're probably an atheist.

2. They shouldn't be allowed to adopt because it's raising a kid in an improper environment by default. They'll be getting exposed to a lack of standards from the start. Sure, they may be nice people and mean well, but the child won't be receiving the full perspective. Granted, that often happens anyway, but that can't always be controlled. Adoption can be controlled, however. Since you like using scientific lingo, maybe you should check out the snowball effect. That's exactly what will happen if this kind of stuff gets encouraged and accepted more and more.

3. Yes, they do. It's unfortunate, but again, it's not always avoidable. That doesn't mean that we should promote something that's an exploitation literally every single time. Because, until you prove to me what other legitimate reasons there can be for a gay couple getting married, I'm standing by that statement.

4. Look around you. Whether you're religious or not, just look. Basically the entire world shows it. Males and females mate to continue their respective species. They pal around with their own gender, if they pal around at all, but when it comes to mating, they find the other. Sure, there are the occasional defects, but whether it's God's plan or nature's design, males and females were meant to mate. If everyone turned gay, there's the end of our species. That alone should be enough to prove it's wrong. Obviously not everyone will turn gay, but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged as okay. Sometimes standards should be upheld, even if some people don't like them. Not everything should be okay, and the line of what is and isn't shouldn't be so blurred. This has nothing to do with religion, just general principle and common sense. If people are gay regardless of it being unnatural, that's their call. People can be attracted to kids or their own siblings if they want to as well. That doesn't mean it should be supported.

5. In my society, up until this ridiculous social liberal movement, it was a taboo. It still is, in a lot of people's minds, including mine. I really don't care if other cultures agree, the one I live in is the only one that's relevant to me. Besides, as stated above, I'm basing my views off of obvious nature and common sense, not what society tells me is okay.

This is what baffles me about the liberal mentality. Not necessarily you, cause obviously I don't know you, in fact I don't even know that you're liberal, but their general attitude as a whole. They preach that nobody should be judged negatively for their beliefs, or preferences, or values, or anything else. No matter what. And on paper that's a good ideal, but then they turn around and negatively judge anyone who believes in upholding traditional standards. I'm sorry, if you're offended by my beliefs, agree to disagree I guess, but I will never change my mind on this. The fact that, if everyone was gay, the species would die out in a generation, is enough for me to decide that it's wrong. The fact that basically every species on the planet with male and female counterparts thrives on male and female mating is enough for me to decide that that's the way it's supposed to be, whether designed by nature or by God, whatever. It's got nothing to do with religion, at all. Drugs don't hurt anyone except the person using them, and that's their choice, but it's still illegal because common sense says it's wrong. Same thing here. But no, we're too worried about offending someone to have a right and wrong, beyond discouraging murder.

Dr. Melvyn Iscove #homophobia thestar.com

A long-time Toronto psychiatrist, who believes homosexuality is a “sexual disorder” that can be overcome, has been found guilty by Ontario’s medical regulator of sexually abusing two of his male patients.

Dr. Melvyn Iscove, 72, was described in a decision of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario’s discipline committee as having a “special interest in the treatment of patients with problems related to homosexuality.”

He also engaged in mutual masturbation and oral sex with two male patients on different occasions during therapy sessions, and once had anal intercourse with one of them in his office, the committee found.

“Neither complainant described any emotional or romantic aspects of the sexual activity with Dr. Iscove, and both said that at some point, they thought that the sexual activity was part of the therapy and an attempt to cure them of homosexuality by engaging in the acts, rather than fantasizing about them,” the five-member discipline panel wrote in a decision released this week.

Iscove testified in his own defence, and the discipline panel noted that he studied and applied the theories of Dr. Edmund Bergler, a psychoanalyst who theorized on homosexuality in the 1950s. Passages of Bergler’s writings introduced at Iscove’s discipline hearing included “All attempts to prove homosexuality to be anything but an illness had in my opinion failed” and “there are no happy homosexuals.”

The discipline panel found Iscove tried to “soften the effect of these passages, but in the end, endorsed or at least accepted them.”

“Dr. Iscove also became evasive in responding to questions as to whether homosexuality should be considered an illness, and whether it was capable of being ‘cured,’ despite that these views were clearly held by Dr. Bergler.” the panel wrote.

“Given that Dr. Iscove had admittedly devoted his professional life to studying and applying the theories of Dr. Bergler, it was not clear to the committee why Dr. Iscove refused to acknowledge that he agreed with Dr. Bergler on these points.”

“He stated that these patients only became responsive to his therapy when they were ready to fight it (i.e., the homosexuality),” the panel said

The doctor still faces a separate discipline hearing for an allegation of “improper conduct in a public men’s washroom,” according to his profile on the College of Physicians’ online register.

racerealist #homophobia #racist #sexist racerealist.tumblr.com

Is there place for same sex attraction within the ethno nationalist/fascist community?: With A Focus On Men

There is of course a blatant straight froward answer for that question, but really someone who asks this isn’t asking if there is really a place for them in the movement. They aren’t even asking what the movement thinks of same sex attraction. They already know without doing much of any research what the movement thinks of homosexuality. What they really want to know is why they feel they are attracted to individuals of the same sex. Now the specific reasons for same sex attraction differ slightly between men and women, but the concept and reasonings as a whole remain universal. And because I am a man Id like to focus on mens attraction to other men and leave the explanation of women’s attraction to other women for a woman to explain/write about. Because simply a woman cannot teach a man to be a man as much as a man can teach a woman how to be a woman.

Lets start off with the term bisexual (bi). What does that mean? Well if we use a dictionary and todays definition and uses of sexual orientation it is simply the attraction to both men and women. However as much as it makes things easier for some to define every difference that exists, I don’t recognize the term. So moving forward any attraction to the same sex wether you also like women or not will be defined as homosexual.

My observation of the type of man who has messaged me about this topic over the past year or so have been men who have submerged themselves into the more degenerate side of ethno nationalism. To make it more clear, picture the type of guys/groups when I say “Neo Nazi”. Who do you think of? Yes them. Now those who message me are typically the ones who are beginning to either consciously or subconsciously make a move from the “Neo Nazi” culture to the more “Traditional Nationalist” culture. Something inside them is making them question wether or not homosexuality is a moral or even an effective decision.

First of all, men are tribal by nature, no matter how far you go back until very recently (last 75 years) men have always been able to practice this. Even today they are still tribalistic, the only difference is with how “big” the world is today. Tribalism can be hard to experience. Looking back into tribal societies and even all the up into the 1900’s you find that men did everting with other men. The only time men were really with other women was when they were at home with their families. Men fought, hunted and worked together every day all day. Only really seeing a woman when they went home to their wife. So naturally in todays time our minds still desire that male experience. We as men want to be surrounded alongside men we feel are worthy. Modernity doesn’t allow for this experience. So what begins to happen is men start to look for this wether its via sports, gangs, political groups, etc we crave to be around men we can respect, test and trust.

The problem starts when there is a loss of control of emotions and a misunderstanding of experiences once in an all male environment. Because men don’t get that constant exposure to masculinity often they will begin to think they have feelings or some sort of sexual attraction to another male. The reality is they don’t, however that exposure to masculinity can be overwhelming and you feel this way, because you are confusing admiration and respect for romanticism. Basically in this situation these men feel the same as a woman does when exposed to raw masculinity. With physical attraction being normal in the sense of respect (male to male) its ok to look at a guy and think he’s attractive. All this is, is a form of admiration and respect for the physical shape he’s been able to achieve or the genetics he was gifted at birth. Its important though to know that, thats what you feel and not that you have a “sexual feeling” for him. What you should get from this paragraph is that when around groups of men don’t become confused by friendships or admiration. Failing to recognize this appropriately is number one reason men fall to homosexuality.

To conclude I want to touch on the issue of homosexuality and the desire to also have children. What I mean by this is many have mentioned that they like men, but would still be willing to have babies with a female. The big issue I have with this is its extremely unclear what someone means when saying this? Within the White Nationalist community wether you are pagan, christian, muslim etc. The idea of having kids with random women just to have kids is extremely counter productive. So when I read or hear that a gay man wants to have children all I can assume is that you better be saying you’ve checked you are free of sexually transmitted diseases and you have made the final decision to be straight and start a loving family with a woman you plan on being with forever. Once you choose the family life there is no sleeping around period. Especially with other men. For a white future the nuclear family needs to be the strongest its ever been.

Concerning topics like homosexuality its extremely important that we discuss more often why same sex attraction happens and what we can do to better understand it to precent other men from falling victim.

#homosexuality #bisexual #white nationalism #white nationalist #traditional nationalist #14/88 #14 words #14 codes of the aryan ethic #theracerealistanswers #stop white genocide #white men

Unknown writer & Elizabeth Johnston #homophobia #enbyphobia mommyunderground.com

The Latest LGBT TV Show Is So Outrageous It Will Leave Your Head Spinning

The LGBT community has hijacked the entertainment industry and filled the airwaves with their warped agenda.

From homosexual marriage, to “transgender” couples, it’s no wonder more and more Americans are saying “no thanks” to cable TV.

But this latest show introduces a character that takes it even further.

In fact, as this show reveals there’s no telling just how far the LGBT community will go to shock America and attempt to make their way of life “mainstream.”

Instead of introducing a transsexual, or another homosexual couple, Showtime decided to introduce its first gender “non-binary” character.

The LGBT community deems a “non-binary” person as one who doesn’t identify with either gender.

Determined to strip away any sense of decency, Showtime pushes the envelope and introduces this bizarre character to the world.

CBN reported:

“Dillon uses singular they pronouns and her role on the show is the first gender non-binary character on American television.

The move is seen as a huge step forward for LGBTQ inclusion and representation in pop culture.

But Elizabeth Johnston, also known as the ‘Activist Mommy’, says Showtime’s decision to cast a non-binary character is all part of the LGBTQ’s plan to normalize it.

“This is an LGBT agenda that is being pushed on our nation,” Johnston said in an interview with CBN News. “Truth and science and facts matter and just because someone says that two plus one equals five that doesn’t make it true.

There’s something called facts and truth and the truth of it is we are born xy or xx or we have a biological or psychological pathology and what we’re seeing with gender dysphoria is pathological and it is not normal and we’re being asked to embrace it as normal and celebrate it.”

Elizabeth Johnston nailed it.

Just because the LGBT community refuses to “see gender”, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

People with gender dysphoria need help, mental counseling, not exposure to the world to promote their way of life, which will further confuse those who already struggle.

The biggest lie of all is the LGBT community wants to “live a quiet life in peace.”

Nothing could be further from the truth.

As Mommy Underground previously reported, they have a record of sneaking their perverted agenda into shows that target children.

But while the LGBT community thinks they have power, they’re forgetting one thing – if people decide to boycott these shows and refuse to watch them, it will help stop the spread of their twisted agenda.

After all, networks are ultimately about ratings.

If conservatives can show network officials they will no longer pay nor subscribe to such filth, perhaps things can change.

And if not, parents must refuse to let their children watch these shows.

What are your thoughts on the new “non-binary” character?

How do you prevent your family from watching shows like these?

Tell us your thoughts in the comments below.

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David J. Stewart #fundie #conspiracy #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

The demonic band JUDAS PRIEST (the name alone is blasphemy against God) also uses backward masking. Back in the early days of the band they were sued and taken to court, accused of including subliminal messages into their music. The band's frontman and flaming homosexual, Rob Halford denied the accusations in court, which today cannot be denied anymore. Thousands of Rock and mainstream music groups have used been caught inserting deceptive backward masking into their music. Even the so-called evangelical wholesome boy band from New Jersey, THE JONAS BROTHERS included backward masking in their song, KIDS OF THE FUTURE which says “I speak for Satan, Satan, Satan. My sweet forsaken Satan, Satan!!!” The big question is why? The obvious answer is that some evil people are trying to trick your mind, inserting thoughts into your brain that you (under normal circumstances) would likely never approve of.

The lead singer (frontman) of the heavy-metal band JUDAS PRIEST is a flaming homosexual. For decades rugged men have been idolizing Judas Priest as a tough, manly group because of their heavy-metal, black leather, spikes and tattoos. All of a sudden, in 1998, the lead singer announces that he's a homosexual. This is more proof that all Rock music is saturated and rooted in sexual perversion, the New World Order and rebellion against God. Hell hath enlarged herself (Isaiah 5:14). The music industry is saturated with lesbians and homosexuals. It is very common for Rock singers to dress like transvestites. There's an evil spirit in Rock music that compels singers and musicians to do bizarre, freakish and demented things. Many Rock stars puke out fake blood in concert; such as Kiss and Motley Crue.

In one of Motley Crue's concerts a whorish woman comes out on stage with an actual electric grinder, touching it to her breasts and private area (covered with a shaped metal plate), causing sparks to fly for about 10 feet toward the audience. This is the sicko minds of the Rock music industry. You wouldn't believe the insane, demonic and shameful things that go on during Rock concerts. Some bands toss butchered animal parts and blood during concert, others defecate on stage, et cetera. Marilyn Manson pierced his own chest in a concert, and the blood ran down his body. You never hear anyone criticize these crazy people; but faithful preachers who help tens-of-thousands of people, even millions like Pastor Jack Hyles are demonized on the internet.

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "The Truth About Sodom & Gomorrah"

God warns Abraham that He will destroy Sodom because of it's sin: Abraham pleads for Sodom(because Lot lived there)
Genesis 18:16-33 (KJV) (scriptural text omitted)

God destroys Sodom & Gomorrah (like He promised Abraham He would do, because of Sodom's sin)
Genesis 19 (KJV) (scriptural text omitted)

God Remembers Abraham
Genesis 19:27-29 (KJV) (scriptural text omitted)

Robin Egg:
Excellent article. Yet, the homosexual crowd insists that the Bible does not deal with homosexuality.

Just Mat:
What's equally bad to those who try to deny God or try to believe they won't have to pay any consequence are those who try to convince themselves and other they were born that way or that God is OK with their abomination.

Lady Checkmate:
Amen!
There are those who have come out of that lifestyle choice and admitted that they were lying when they made those statements. Those who make those statements are intentionally deceptive, manipulative, flat out liars and show signs of a reprobate mind. We're all tempted with sin. They feed their temptation and want to pretend it's just how they are...no, they fed their temptation and allowed their flesh to lead them versus allowing God to lead them. For example, I'm attracted to men; however, since my divorce I've been celibate. It's NOT that I haven't been tempted, just like any other human being, BUT instead of following my flesh, I follow God (which I will admit is CONSTANT. I'll also admit it was VERY hard when I tried dating this one guy, BUT God is faithful and kept me in that dating situation. I hope that helps and edifies someone because it was NOT shared for any other reason.
God bless you, JustMat!

DM #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

(=A response to "Clobbering Biblical Gay Bashing=)

You lost me at: "so I’m not even having that discussion" If you build a whole argument on something that is highly debatable but you won't acknowledge there is another opinion then it is difficult to engage you in the rest of your conversation.

The Bible is very clear on homosexuality- it is a sin. Sleeping with someone before marriage is a sin, cheating on a spouse is a sin, drinking to excess is a sin. A sin is a sin and everyone on this earth has sinned. If you talk to an informed Christian they will admit that these are all sins and that not one is more severe than another. A Christian will do well to love everybody as their brother and sister in Christ but will also do well to point out an error to them when they are in the wrong. The Bible does warn that we shouldn't judge but 2 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) tells us- All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

The difference between homosexuality and other sins is that one becomes hardened to it. There are other sins that one hardens themselves to but homosexuality is one of the most prominent because it usually isn't a one time thing but more so a lifestyle. The real problem is that when someone becomes hardened to a sin they become separated from God.

What you are saying is discrediting the Bible and like many other people of the times you are trying to read the Bible to fit your opinion. Instead I would encourage you to pray to God and ask him for wisdom to understand the scriptures as it was intended, not as you want to read in to it. Biblical truths are not always popular, but they are truths-
Matthew 7:24- (ESV) “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
and
Isaiah 5:20 (ESV) Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Thanks be to God that Christ came to earth as true God and true man, lived the perfect life in our place to be the atoning sacrifice for all of our sins, homosexuality, adultery, murder, etc... Because of this love by God for us we are washed in his blood through this perfect sacrifice for OUR sins. Those that believe in this WILL have eternal life. But my friends please don't be the one that tries to change what God's word actually says and twists his words or follow such false teachings.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (ESV)- For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Love your brother and sister in Christ, get to know them on a personal level, help them with their struggles. Furthermore explain to them the love of Christ and what he did for all sinners. Importantly when someone is caught in a Satan's snare and is trapped in a sin point the sin out to the sinner in love and gently bring them back to Christ so that their sin may not cost them their faith in God. Remember it isn't our words that will do the work but God and the Holy Spirit working through them!

rueangel #fundie #homophobia #racist disqus.com

rueangel:
Well, certainly, any right thinking person must agree, that, any ,..well rounded,..5 year old should have a working knowledge of ,..male on male anal sex,..but perhaps, the subjects of the use of ,..whips, or fisting,.. should be not be introduced until the child is, at least, 6,..
Ya think,.?

Sally Edwards:
I'm not surprised this story outrages you if that's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of homosexuality. Let's just take the most extreme sexual practices and define them all by that. By the way, where did you ever get the idea that straight people WEREN'T into all the things you listed?

rueangel:
So,.. where id you ever get the idea that I thought that these practices were limited to gay males,.?
But, anyway, while the perversions listed above are ,..occasionally, practiced by,..some,.. herteros, they are key component among gay males, & I believe that fisting is, pretty much, a gay male practice

Sally Edwards:
Practiced by what, a fraction of a percentage of them? You can't single out an entire group for any specific sexual practice. And no, I Googled "fisting" and there are entire books written about it.

rueangel:
The fact of the matter is, that, male on male anal penetration of the anus , by the penis, is the most common male homosexual activity. And,..
Such male on male anal penetration of the anus , will, in time, cause damage to the anus, & leave a percentage of those who engage in that practice to be left,..' pooing,.. in a bag that is strapped to their leg
And, not to mention the negative health affects of poking a penis around into all of that ,..poo.
But, anyway, I fail to understand why grade schoolers need o be subjected to any description of any homosexual act, whether,..'extreme',.. or not. I mean..what's the point?
But anyway, lets get real here,..In that the ,.'REAL",.. purpose of introducing the subject of homosexuality, into grade schools. & depicting it in such a ,.'positive',.. light, is to,.'brainwash',... a portion of those grade schoolers into,..'becoming',.. homosexual themselves,..which is a part of the ,.'NEW WORLD ORDER',.. agenda which includes the destruction of the family, & population control,..
And,..
I will add to that, the fact that the Zionist owned, media, is pushing this homosexual agenda, to the limit, as a means of destroying the moral fiber of the Goyim, in order to destroy western civilization, & to, thereby, genocide the White race, & thereby leave ,..'World, Zionist Jewry',.. ruling over a world of ,..'brown,.. people, with average IQs of about 70.
I refer you to the,..'KALERGI PLAN',.. which lays out this demonic, Zionist, Rothschild, conspiracy, in detail.
I note, that, while, on one hand, the Zio media, & Zio controlled educational system is pushing this homosexual agenda, in the public schools, I doubt that it is being pushed in ,..'JEWISH',.. schools, & while it is also being pushed by Zionist interests in Europe & Canada, & Australia,. as far as I know, I don't think that it is being pushed on Jewish children in Israel,..
Just turnover any rock, & underneath,it, you will find there lurking a Zionist Jew,..
Google,..'KALERGY PLAN',..

Sally Edwards:
Here’s how we know your information is a crock.
Anal sex is very common between straight couples too. How many women do I see with a bag to crap in? Come to think of it, how many gay men do I ever see who have to “go” in a bag? Zero.

rueangel:
The fact of the matter is, that, the anus is designed for,..one way,..traffic & anal sex can lead to damage that can lead to the necessity of using a ,..bag, that is strapped to the leg, & also it can spread diseas,..Did you ever head of AIDS,.? & just because you never saw such a bag, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
But anyway, back to the issue at hand, which is, whether, of not homosexuality should be pushed onto grade schoolers, in such a way as to encourage it practice, by children that have not yet developed their own ,..'natural, inherent, hertero sexual nature,..
As in my comment above, I point out that there is an agenda afoot, to increase the incidence of homosexuality, as a means of cutting down the birthrates, this agenda, being pushed, largely by Zionist/Rothschild/Soros NWO type entities.

Sally Edwards:
Of course 6 year olds don't need to know the particulars of anal sex, but who's talking about teaching them that in the first place? Especially when you don't teach straight intercourse to 6 year olds, either.
It's like I said to Amos earlier, you teach children about homosexuals by simply saying sometimes a boy will fall in love with another boy or a girl will fall in love with another girl. That's all you need to say.
What you've been taught about people with damaged anuses is a lie. That doesn't happen. Or if it does, it's rare and would not be specific to homosexuals. Many homosexual men don't even engage in anal sex.

rueangel:
Back in the,..'olden days',.. when I wen to grade school,, back in the first half of the last century, we somehow managed to get through K to 12 without the subject of homosexuality ever being brought up in a classroom, but somehow we managed to grow up & get through life, without, such indoctrination,..having learned through the grapevine at about age 10, or so, that there were some guys, that liked to suck on each other's peepee weenies, & we learned that these guys were called queers,..& that was about all we needed to know. It was only , somewhat later that we heard bout anal sex, which we considered to be really,..real;y disgusting.
And, as to the idea that male on male sexual attraction has something to do with ,..'love',.. The fact of the matter is that gay males are notoriously promiscuous, often having hundreds, or even thousands of ,..'partners',.. in their lifetimes.
And male on male anal sex, often has an element of ,..'domination, and/or Sado -masochism involved, especially in rape situations, whether it is male on male, or male on female,..
And
Black males,, especially, , seem to enjoy inflicting pain, and or injury on their victims with their,.. tools.,..which they use as weapons/, of attacks on the anus of their victims..
So sure, I know that herteros also, indulge in anal sex, but that is largely because anal sex is being pushed by the Zio-Media as being, particularly, exciting & ,..'trendy'.
So, I still maintain that there is nothing healthy about anal sex, from either a physical,or a mental point of view,..
And,..
If it is going to be discussed in school, the discussion should consist of warnings against it,..For all of the reasons, mention above & previously,..

David J. Stewart #fundie #conspiracy #homophobia #kinkshaming jesusisprecious.org

I read today in the news[1] that singer Taylor Swift spent $13,000 to rent a bunch of sadomasochistic gear and clothing from a sex shop to make her “Bad Blood” video. That is so evil! The Scriptures teach that the Word of God makes sin EXCEEDINGLY SINFUL. That's why Luciferians (aka, Illuminati) have removed the Holy Bible from the public school system since 1963, that is, because they want children to grow up amoral, confused and ungodly. The Apostle Paul said in Romans 7:13b, “that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.” This is why the most important thing every child needs is constant preaching and teaching from the inspired Word of God.

Notice in our text verse above that God warns us about worldly thinking, which steers us away from Jesus Christ. Young people, Taylor Swift's ungodly music and music videos are not of Jesus Christ, they are preparing the world for the Anti-Christ!!! Miss Swift has openly shown her support for the reprobate homosexual community. Swift's song “Welcome To New York” has been adopted by the gays as their theme song. James 4:4, “ Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?” Homosexuality is a sin, an abnormal deathstyle, and a form of child abuse when adopted youth are involved.

The sexually suggestive videos of Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus (aka, Hannah Montana), Adriana Grande, Madonna, Ke$ha, Katy Perry and hundreds of other sleazy entertainers are of the Devil. They have all signed Illuminati contracts with Satan! They've all sold their souls to do evil in the sight of the Lord. 1st Kings 21:20, “thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD.” The reason why so many parents and youth tolerate the wicked filth of singers like Taylor Swift is because Americans no longer abide in the Word of God. Most people are not even born-again Christians. And so the spirit of the Devil works in them (Ephesians 2:2).

The Bible Warns About The Sin Of Lasciviousness!

As a grateful born-again Christian, although I admit I am far from perfect, I abide in the comforting promises of God's Word (Romans 15:4), and I see the wickedness of Taylor Swift's raunchy music videos (Colossians 3:4-5). The Bible uses a powerful word to describe Taylor Swift's sensual videos. It is the word “LASCIVIOUS,” which means “Driven by lust; preoccupied with or exhibiting lustful desires.” The following passage of Scripture practically gives us Taylor Swift's address...

Ephesians 4:17-20, “This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ.”

If Taylor Swift has any guilt or conscience at all about her ungodly music videos, it's not enough to compel her to stop doing it. The Bible warns us about such wicked people, who are PAST FEELING, who have GIVEN THEMSELVES OVER UNTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, TO WORK ALL UNCLEANLINESS WITH GREED! Miss Swift's net worth as of 2016 is an astounding $280,000,000! Just as the Word of God warns us, Miss Swift has greedily given herself over to LASCIVIOUSNESS, TO WORK ALL UNCLEANLINESS!!! Throughout history, people have sinfully sold themselves to do evil for money! They are evil to the core!!! It is the love of money that fuels Hollywood and the sexually suggestive music industry. The love of money is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL (1st Timothy 6:10).

CSaguaro #fundie #homophobia en.wikipedia.org

(This quote is about changing the Wikipedia article of Aesthetic Realism -- a obscure NY-based cult that was famous in the 70’s/80’s for claiming they could cure homosexuality. MichaelBluejay is a well-known critic of the cult.)

The version MichaelBluejay posted is derisive and definitely POV. Sources include his own website, as well as anonymous comments on other websites. Entirely omitted is the philosophic basis of how Aesthetic Realism sees this subject in favor of a cartoonish version. From the beginning Aesthetic Realism is presented as out for publicity, “riding the buzz”.

The truth is that the only reason Aesthetic Realism and Eli Siegel dealt with the subject at all is because men, like myself once, did not like themselves for being homosexual and were looking for a way to change—and we found it.

Sure some men decided that Aesthetic Realism wasn’t for them and they preferred to live a gay lifestyle which, of course, is their right. But you would never know from this version that there are men who have lived meaningful, fulfilled heterosexual lives, including marriage and children, for 10, 20, 30+ years. The controversy and opposition can be presented, but it has to be in an evenhanded way.

Truth v Lies #homophobia mercatornet.com

Truth v Lies
5 years ago
I have yet to see where anyone who is only stating his opinion has said that homosexuals are not human. The only people as far as I can see who say they are not human is homosexuals themselves as they keep on bringing up the spurious argument that there 1,500 (note 1,500, not 1,501) species of animals that are homosexual so its OK for them to be homosexual as after all, we are only a higher evolved animal.

If I had the time and room, I would detail all sorts of ways they are hurting themselves as homosexuality is a self defeating way of life and fraught within all sorts of emotional dysfunction.

Promote family values ????

The last time I looked you needed a mum and dad to be a family.

The last time I looked you needed to be able to procreate to be a family.

The last time I looked, a family does not invite their boyfriends to have sex with them every week in addition to the one they are married to.

The last time I looked, a family does not sit down with their children and spend an evening viewing pornography.

The last time I looked a family does not tell its children that homosexuality is normal and you should try it.

The last time I looked, a family does not embarrass the children by having two dads and no mother.

The last time I looked, a family does not send death threats to other families children.

Promoting family values? You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel making spurious claims like that. Or is that another one of your lies?

Truth v Lies #fundie #homophobia mercatornet.com

Louis, you do not need rocket science to work out that the pink gaystapo have an investment in keeping the truth at bay as the whole homosexual way of life is based on the lie that you are born that way.
That is very hard to believe when one of your own kind stands up at a conference to discuss all things homosexual that they had to make it a civil rights issue. We had to dispel the idea that we are born gay because if we don't then we have to admit that we can stop being homosexual. That was a public statement made in a public meeting for all to hear. To paraphrase, "we have to hide the truth that we are not born gay so that we can sidetrack society into believing it is a civil rights issue. In other words, the truth must be corralled so that we can spread our lies to get what we want. And in other, other words, why should we believe anything you say?

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Scientists can't prove what doesn't exist and an open minded homosexual is an oxymoron. In addition, the truth about homosexuality has been banned from the university campuses, the main steam media, the education system and governments. The end result is that society today is being re-engineered by a social reforming jackboot brigade who are offering us a house built on sand. If it keeps going at the rate it is, like the past, it will destroy society so in effect they are signing their own death warrant whilst we enjoy the prospect of the second coming of Christ, which I believe their sin and perversion will hasten Whatever happens, we win, they lose.

Thomas Coy #fundie #homophobia ex-gaytruth.com

Mary Lou Wallner was given the distinction of being “Very Unsupportive (Initially)” Mary Lou’s lesbian daughter, Anna, committed suicide. Mary Lou Wallner is now an advocate for gay rights and has been touring the nation in support of the movie. In one part of the movie she tells the videographer that she blames Dr. James Dobson for the suicide of her daughter. At that time in her life Mary Lou was a member of a conservative Christian church that believed homosexual behavior was sin. She also followed the advice of Dr. James Dobson and did not accept her daughter’s homosexuality. The movie portrays that lack of acceptance as the cause of Anna’s suicide. The Poteat family was listed as “Partially Supportive.” This family kept an open relationship with their lesbian daughter. They too were conservative Christians, who did not approve of their daughter’s homosexuality, but their daughter was always welcome at her childhood home and she always knew her family loved her, even though they did not approve of her lesbian relationships. Having been a follower of Dr. James Dobson myself and having attended their controversial “Love Won Out” conferences on homosexuality, I can attest that Focus on the Family does not teach parents to reject their children. Obviously, Jake has never personally investigated Dr. Dobson or Focus on the Family, but relied on second hand information from Soulforce to make his damning accusation. Focus on the Family and their Love Won Out conferences teach parents to continue to openly love their children while continuing their disapproval of the child’s sexual behavior. Focus tells parents the truth that homosexual attractions are usually not a choice, that sexual orientation change is possible but not easy, and that parents need to love their children just as God loves them, even in their sin. The Poteat family is actually a good example of what Focus and Dr. Dobson teach. Mary Lou Wallner was present at the screening of the movie I attended in Flint. In my research on homosexuality I have read reports and heard lectures by clinical psychologists that lesbians do not usually seek counseling because of conflicts with their sexual orientation, but rather for distress from broken relationships. In the Q and A following the movie I asked Mary Lou if her daughter had any recent relationship problems before the suicide. Mary Lou revealed that her daughter had recently broken up with her long-time lover and moved in with another lesbian who had three teenage children. About two and a half months into this new relationship the woman asked Mary Lou’s daughter to move out. Shortly after this breakup, the daughter committed suicide. Mary Lou also revealed that her daughter was always welcome at her childhood home. When her daughter and lesbian partners visited, Mary Lou and her husband let them sleep in the same bed. It became clear very quickly how distorted the movie had portrayed Anna’s suicide and the conservative Christian beliefs Mary Lou once held. The Wallner’s were at least as supportive of their lesbian daughter as the Poteats were, and maybe even more so. Anna Wallner’s suicide had little to do with her parent’s disapproval of homosexual behavior, but a lot to do with the destructive aspects of lesbian relationships. The movie intentionally distorted this fact and used this terrible tragedy to smear an innocent man and the organization he represents. But this is nothing new, it is standard gay propaganda.

Telepathic Intruder #homophobia #transphobia freerepublic.com

It’s no news to me. Not only transgenderism but homosexuality is being promoted and encouraged. It’s a self-delusional state which not only imposed on them, but everyone else who would otherwise say it’s just wrong. We’re conditioned into thinking it’s somehow brave and admirable to admit sexual deviations from the norm. What percentage of the animal kingdom is actually homosexual?

They will say there are examples in captivity, but that is hardly a natural environment. What percent of them actually prefer their own sex rather than the opposite? No examples I’m aware of. Yet in humans the percentages are increasing as the culture promotes it. It’s not at all something we’re born with, like they claim. It’s conditioned by society. There is also solid scientific evidence that it’s not genetic, according to studies done on identical twins.

Amos Moses #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

(commenting on story "UK Humanists Want Homosexual Issues Taught in Primary Schools")

A humanist campaign group wants four-year-olds to be taught about LGBT issues, and has branded religious views on sexuality “discriminatory.”
Humanists UK, formerly known as the British Humanist Association, issued a statement backing government plans on new primary school relationships education.
Under the proposals, children will be taught about “different types of relationships,” which critics fear could include homosexuality, transsexualism and same-sex marriage.
The group went on to compare traditional religious views to racism, claiming they were an “unconscionable affront to the equality and dignity of all people.”

Amos Moses:
Pedophilia.............

glenbo:
How is teaching acceptance of those who are different "pedophilia?"
How is teaching diversity "pedophilia?"
By your "logic," teaching kids to accept black kids in their schools as equal is racism.

Amos Moses:
conflation of race and depravity is a false paradigm ..... and there is no "logic" there ..........
sexualization and grooming of children to accept that sexualization ...... is pedophilia ...........

glenbo:
Define sexualization.

Amos Moses:
Grooming or making CHILDREN view and accept sex (especially depraved sex) as part of their "education" ............ it includes numerous activities ............

Sally Edwards:
No, pedophilia is actively sexually abusing a child.
No one is grooming children for pedophilia by teaching them that some people are homosexuals. Pedophilia wasn't mentioned in the article.

Amos Moses:
no it is not ...........LIE .............
"Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty. [1] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) defines it as a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.[4]"
GROOMING is what is being done to CHILDREN to accept homosexuality ............ and it is pedophilia ......

Sally Edwards:
"Intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children"
Your words, not mine. Now tell me that relates to this simple story about a school educating children about homosexuals.
Also, homosexuality and pedophilia could not be more different.

Amos Moses:
NOPE .... DSM-5s words .......... FAIL .... TRY AGAIN .............

marktwain #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

Sin is normal. All are born in sin. Sin is not Godly. Avoiding sin is an ongoing and difficult task. The pagans regularly practiced homosexual “sex”. You only need read Roman, Greek, or other ancient texts to know that. It was considered a preference instead of an innate characteristic.

Those who do not want any self control or norms for sex want it both ways, both as an innate, born with preference and as a choice. They simply want to invalidate any legal or moral restraint on sex with anything or anyone. Avoiding homosexual “sex” and upholding self-restraint in sex has been a central point in the building of Western Civilization.

It moved us past the Romans and Greeks. Greek Philosophy, Christian Morality, Jewish business practices combined to create the rule of law and Western Civilization.

Gingerbeardman #fundie #homophobia ummah.com

Assalaamu Alaykum,

To answer your initial question,

It is not having homosexual desires, or even acting upon them which takes a person outside the fold of islam, but it is the belief that such desires are acceptable or correct and Islam is wrong to condemn such actions. As for homosexuals being 'cured.' Yes it can happen. As someone active in Dawah I know of 4 homosexuals who embraced islam, 2 went straight eventually, 1 still struggles and the other turned back to disbelief as couldn't accept his desires were wrong, and needed help, he wanted to be homosexual and state it was ok and still be muslim at the same time.

When we explained this was not possible he chose his desires over following Allaah. This is his choice, this is the choice you also need to make. Struggle against your desires, perhaps to overcome them, or perhaps to struggle all your life for an ever lasting reward in jannah, or give up on Allaah and fall into disbelief. I've also come across quite a few 'camp' Muslim brothers, who if they'd grown up as disbelievers would no doubt be stereotyped as homosexuals and railroaded into that type of lifestyle choice, however because they were raised in good muslim homes they've not acted upon this and have the support not to do so.

Now you state if you had the choice, you'd choose straight. So if you wish to live such a lifestyle cut yourself off totally from those who pull you the wrong direction, live a life of emaan reinforcing actions and speech and eventually these desires will decrease. But you have to make an effort to try, not just deny it is possible because the prevalent society around you thinks this is so but you I assume don't accept their viewpoint on a number of other matters as a Muslim so why this one just because it reinforces your desires?

Thomas Coy #fundie #homophobia ex-gaytruth.com

The movie “For the Bible tells me so” (forthebibletellsmeso.org) was shown in my home community of Flint, Michigan in the fall of 2008 as part of a series of gay events called “Out’N About.” Although the movie was billed as a documentary, it was first and foremost a gay propaganda film.

The movie has two distinct elements to it. The documentary element examines the lives of five homosexuals and how their immediate families responded to their homosexuality. That part of the movie is actually a documentary, interesting, emotionally moving, and somewhat objective. The other part of the movie is pure gay political propaganda arranged to disparage conservative Christians and present the gay political movement as the enlightened possessors of the real truth about homosexuality.
From my observations as a scholar on the gay political movement this movie has the imprint of the gay political organization known as Soulforce (www.soulforce.org).

Soulforce has been a branch of the gay political movement specifically targeting the Bible believing Christian church. Mel White is a cofounder of Soulforce and a prominent leader in the gay political movement. A favorite target of Mel White and Soulforce has been Dr. James Dobson and his organization Focus on the Family (www.focusonthefamily.com).
The fact that the movie specifically targets Dr. James Dobson and that Dr. Mel White is a predominant spokesperson throughout the movie gives the Soulforce manipulation away. The movie at the time of this writing was featured on the Soulforce website and on the website of America’s largest gay lobbying organization – The Human Rights Campaign. A fifty page study guide comes with the movie to assist in molding the interested convert into an advocate for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender equality with heterosexuality.
Besides the deception and lies presented as truths, the gay theology espoused in the film claiming that the Bible does not condemn homosexual behavior is considered by many a self-serving concoction. It would take a whole book to accurately address all the deception and lies in the propaganda part of the movie, so I will select instances that best support my accusations.
Scientific lies and deception
Like most gay propaganda the movie begins its justification of homosexuality by contending that homosexuality is not something that is not chosen.

Conservative Christians knowledgeable on homosexuality, including ex-gays, and psychotherapists who help people overcome unwanted same-sex attractions, agree that clinical science has shown that homosexual attractions are not usually something that an individual chooses. That there is agreement on this point is never brought up in gay propaganda and it is not acknowledged in the movie. Instead Christians, ex-gays, and therapists who disagree with the gay worldview are shown as ninnies who ignore this and other clinical facts. Knowledgeable Christians, ex-gays, and therapists do distinguish between attractions and behavior, and most certainly maintain that individuals have a choice of whether or not they engage in any form of sexual behavior. This distinction is never mentioned in gay propaganda or the movie.

Gay propaganda and clinical science diverge after the fact that homosexuals do not choose their attractions to the same sex. Using that fact as a premise gay propaganda and the movie conclude that homosexuality is an innate condition that is unchangeable and therefore equivalent to heterosexuality. The movie specifically states that “sexual orientation cannot be changed or prevented.”

There are no facts to support the innate theory, so the movie shows a cartoon series that mocks the clinical evidence on the causal factors of homosexuality and sexual orientation change. What researchers have found is that male homosexuals usually have had past experiences of prolonged rejection by the same sex parent and same sex peers throughout childhood. As a child the homosexual never felt he was a part of his gender group, and the longing to be part of the group and the mystery of the same sex turned into same-sex attractions at puberty. This is not always the causal route to male homosexuality, but it has been documented enough to be referred to as the standard causal route.

Clinical science has also documented hundreds of cases where homosexuals have changed their sexual orientation. The evidence is overwhelming. The movie claims ex-gay organizations and psychotherapists use shame and guilt to coax homosexuals to repress their true feelings, thereby presenting ex-gay organizations as a sham and destructive to the mental well being of homosexuals. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The truth is that ex-gay organizations like Exodus International (www.exodus.to) offer real hope to individuals with unwanted same-sex attractions. Many individuals have overcome homosexual behavior and desires. A significant percentage have changed their sexual orientation, married a person of the opposite sex, and raised families.
A sexual orientation change from homosexual to heterosexual is partly a reparative process and partly a cognitive process. Motivation is the main part of the cognitive process. The motivation usually comes from religious beliefs, aspirations of a heterosexual marriage, and from a fact that gay propaganda avoids like the plague, which is that many who enter the gay world find its lifestyle very destructive. The main part of the reparative process is to understand and deal with the memories and hurt of same-sex rejection in childhood. Often there was sexual abuse that contributed to the unwanted same-sex attractions. This short introduction on the causal factors of homosexuality is more accurate than the sum of all the causal information in the movie. The movie mocks this knowledge, and in doing so mocks the truth.

Theological lies and deception

A Rev. Keene makes the statement in the movie that “All loving relationships are honored in the Bible.” This is an easily refutable lie. In the same chapter of Leviticus where homosexuality is condemned there are a number of family related sexual relationships that are prohibited. Surely sexual relationships between close relatives can be loving relationships, yet contrary to Mr. Keene they are condemned. Likewise, Leviticus 18:22 reads “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.” There is no insinuation that if a man lies with another man as one lies with a woman in a loving relationship, then it is equal to a heterosexual loving relationship.

In the New Testament the Apostle Paul was informed of a man in the Corinth church who was in a loving relationship with his stepmother. Paul told the church in Corinth to “Expel the wicked man from among you” (I Corinthians 5:13). In another incidence John the Baptist was martyred for saying that it was immoral for King Herod to marry his brother’s wife (Mark 6:18). Mr. Keene’s statement is a fabrication of what he wants the Bible to say.

Mr. Keene’s statement is also a misrepresentation of gay and liberal morality. Liberal sexual morality is based on consensual sex and is not dependent on a loving relationship or marriage. In general consensual sex without love in this moral code is as just as moral as sex in a loving relationship.
The movie presents many arguments of the new gay theology. The most amusing is “What did Jesus say about homosexuality?” The answer is “nothing,” if one ignores his comparison of the destruction of Sodom and the fate of those who did not repent after seeing miracles and hearing the gospel message (Luke 10:12). The sin of bestiality (humans having sex with animals), which happens to be listed in Leviticus 18:23 right after homosexuality, was not mentioned by Jesus in the written record of the gospels. If we use the gay logic that because Jesus did not mention homosexuality it is not immoral, then the same logic applies to bestiality, and it too is no longer immoral behavior.

When one examines Satan’s appearance in the Bible as a serpent in the Garden of Eden or tempting Jesus in the wilderness, it becomes evident that Satan’s method of persuasion is to present half truths. Likewise gay propaganda often persuades with half truths. One such instance in the movie was the gay theological argument that God’s condemnation of Sodom was not because the city was steeped in homosexual behavior, but because it was inhospitable.
The half truth that gay theology presents is that Sodom was indeed inhospitable to the two angels sent to their city in the form of handsome young men. Instead of welcoming the strangers, the men of Sodom sought to anally rape the young men. What the movie does not reveal is that in the ancient world accepted homosexual behavior was not two men of the same sex in a loving reciprocal relationship. It was a dominate man sodomizing a subordinate man or youth, usually a slave or captive from a battle. It was considered a humiliation for a man to be sodomized in any type of relationship.
In a related half truth the movie states that pederasty (an adult man sodomizing an adolescent male) is not homosexuality. It is true that pederasty is considered a specific sexual orientation in itself, but it is definitely a form of homosexuality. Intellectual elites in Ancient Greece during the time of Plato and Socrates considered arranged pederasty relationships the most preferred of all loving relationships. In the late 1980s gay authors Kirk and Madsen referred to the pederasty relationships of ancient Greece as the “traditional gay family.” The values of the Grecian society allowed the free man to not only have sexual relations with his wife, but also prostitutes, both female and male slaves, and a young free man to whom he would also be a mentor. When the young free man became an adult the pederasty relationship ended, because it was dishonorable for a man to be sodomized or have effeminate characteristics.

Deception in the storytelling

The five families featured in the movie were rated as to how supportive they were to their gay child. One family, the Reitans, was given the distinction of being “LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) Advocates.” In the movie the family is shown taking part in a Soulforce sponsored demonstration at the Focus on the Family facility in Colorado Springs. With his parents at his side the gay child, Jake, makes the accusation that Focus on the Family teaches parents to reject their children.

Mary Lou Wallner was given the distinction of being “Very Unsupportive (Initially)” Mary Lou’s lesbian daughter, Anna, committed suicide. Mary Lou Wallner is now an advocate for gay rights and has been touring the nation in support of the movie. In one part of the movie she tells the videographer that she blames Dr. James Dobson for the suicide of her daughter. At that time in her life Mary Lou was a member of a conservative Christian church that believed homosexual behavior was sin. She also followed the advice of Dr. James Dobson and did not accept her daughter’s homosexuality. The movie portrays that lack of acceptance as the cause of Anna’s suicide.

The Poteat family was listed as “Partially Supportive.” This family kept an open relationship with their lesbian daughter. They too were conservative Christians, who did not approve of their daughter’s homosexuality, but their daughter was always welcome at her childhood home and she always knew her family loved her, even though they did not approve of her lesbian relationships.
Having been a follower of Dr. James Dobson myself and having attended their controversial “Love Won Out” conferences on homosexuality, I can attest that Focus on the Family does not teach parents to reject their children. Obviously, Jake has never personally investigated Dr. Dobson or Focus on the Family, but relied on second hand information from Soulforce to make his damning accusation.

Focus on the Family and their Love Won Out conferences teach parents to continue to openly love their children while continuing their disapproval of the child’s sexual behavior. Focus tells parents the truth that homosexual attractions are usually not a choice, that sexual orientation change is possible but not easy, and that parents need to love their children just as God loves them, even in their sin. The Poteat family is actually a good example of what Focus and Dr. Dobson teach.

Mary Lou Wallner was present at the screening of the movie I attended in Flint. In my research on homosexuality I have read reports and heard lectures by clinical psychologists that lesbians do not usually seek counseling because of conflicts with their sexual orientation, but rather for distress from broken relationships. In the Q and A following the movie I asked Mary Lou if her daughter had any recent relationship problems before the suicide. Mary Lou revealed that her daughter had recently broken up with her long-time lover and moved in with another lesbian who had three teenage children. About two and a half months into this new relationship the woman asked Mary Lou’s daughter to move out. Shortly after this breakup, the daughter committed suicide.

Mary Lou also revealed that her daughter was always welcome at her childhood home. When her daughter and lesbian partners visited, Mary Lou and her husband let them sleep in the same bed. It became clear very quickly how distorted the movie had portrayed Anna’s suicide and the conservative Christian beliefs Mary Lou once held. The Wallner’s were at least as supportive of their lesbian daughter as the Poteats were, and maybe even more so.
Anna Wallner’s suicide had little to do with her parent’s disapproval of homosexual behavior, but a lot to do with the destructive aspects of lesbian relationships. The movie intentionally distorted this fact and used this terrible tragedy to smear an innocent man and the organization he represents. But this is nothing new, it is standard gay propaganda.

Truth v Lies #fundie #homophobia mercatornet.com

I have just read a review of a book written by a liberal atheist about the state of play on American Universities. He highlighted the fact that these bastions of free speech have become bastions of politically correct speech, meaning that free speech no longer exists. One thing that he discovered to his surprise was that Christians were the most persecuted group on campus. Your comment that we were not persecuted is not what I would call the facts as you so quaintly put it. As for your links and citations, all you are doing is garnering information that supports your cause, like my rabid homosexual friend on the other site. Most of it is rubbish and is coming from discredited organisations that have compromised themselves. By way of example the American APA which is constantly quoted by the homosexual cause, is totally compromised for the following reasons. One. A retired president of the APA has publicly said that scientific rigour has been jettisoned in favour of the politically correct agenda. Two. In a comment about abortion they said that there is no evidence that any women suffers as a result of abortion. A comment that says "don't bother me with the truth."Three. They say that reparative therapy for homosexuals is wrong because it causes suicide and depression and doesn't work. They forgot that in their charter it says that members must give help to anyone who requests therapy to overcome their homosexual attraction. In addition, their statement means that thousands of people who were homosexual and no longer are have to stop being heterosexual and become homosexual again. In 30 years of research, I yet to find one homosexual that can prove that once homosexual, always homosexual. The best they can offer is that I know I was born homosexual. Of course that begs the question "how do you know." As you can imagine, unless you have ideological blinkers on, that we don't place much faith in so called experts who tend to say what certain people want them to say and that we have a bit of a laugh when you talk about correcting misinformation on this site.

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"There is nothing about homosexuality that causes HIV" - And here you fall flat on your face. The evidence suggests otherwise. You try so desperately to defend homosexuality with little to no evidence. NO evidence suggests homosexuality is natural or healthy. In my observations Shooter over a period of two years, I have noticed that the pink mafia are totally devoid of evidence for their claims. It seems that they come up with a statement (which is nothing more than spin) and present that to the media as the truth. It is usually backed with a lot of emotion and a pity party. As the media are supporters of their cause, they accept what they say without question so evidence is not demanded of them. I have read numerous articles in the media in support of the pink mafia that you can shoot holes in. Despite this, it is uncritically printed without question. Then along comes someone who knows what the truth is and they call their bluff and this brings out their aggression 101. "How dare you question what we say" is their response and this is followed by ad hominen attacks and pejorative language which shows how intolerant, bigoted and hateful they are.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

All over the internet, a former Roman Catholic priest and admitted homosexual, Henri Nouwen (1932-1996), is being promoted as a “MUST READ!” I plead with anyone reading my words that you NOT read Mr. Nouwen's ungodly writings...

Henri Nouwen is a complicated figure. He was a Roman Catholic priest whose influence extended far beyond Roman Catholicism. His ecumenical appeal made more angular Catholics nervous, and his Protestant readers gave “qualified” appreciation. While Nouwen wasn’t a liberal, his life and work is a product of a Vatican II age. It came out after his death that he was gay, though he remained celibate and trusted the church’s teaching. Despite his chaste life, his presence in the gay community and his work with AIDS advocacy in the 1980s often made more religious conservatives nervous.

SOURCE: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/love-henri

If that doesn't make you disgusted enough, it gets much worse. One of the most ungodly men in the religious world for the past 50 years has been Evangelist Billy Graham, who is the founder of ChristianityToday (CT) magazine! CT actually praises Henri Nouwen as a great spiritual man, in an article authored by Wesley Hill, titled, “Weakness Was His Strength.” Folks, homosexual feelings are sinful, just as adulterous feelings are sinful. CT needs to decry homosexuality as a vile sin, not just a “weakness.” The lame excuse that I often hear is that everyone already knows homosexuality is a sin, and instead of making people feel bad about their sins, we ought to emphasis God's love. This is Pastor Joel Osteen's wrong attitude. The truth is that such flawed and unbiblical reasoning is being used by Satan to gain sympathy, and thus tolerance and acceptable, of the sodomite community!!!

Henri Nouwen should be an abomination to Christians, not a hero. I keep reading that Mr. Nouwen was honoring his vow of celibacy as a Catholic priest, but vow or no vow is not the issue... HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINABLE SIN TO GOD!!! (Leviticus 20:13).

Henry Bowers #homophobia stormfront.org

(He's referring to serial killers)

Good post. I've myself long noticed that sexual abnormals are vastly overrepresented in this group and that most of them are either homosexual or bisexual.

It just further goes to show the link between homosexuality and mental illness.

Hell, homosexuality IS a mental illness. It was only declassified as one because of the bullying and power of the fag lobby, NOT because doctors genuinely believed they were normal or healthy.

Thomas Coy #fundie #homophobia ex-gaytruth.com

Gay activists contend there are only seven scriptures that address homosexuality in the Bible and therefore homosexual behavior is insignificant in scripture. Gay activists also contend that theologians have misinterpreted the seven scriptures. The seven main scriptures are the Genesis account of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19), the Mosaic Law in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, the letter by Jude verse 7, and the Apostle Paul’s letters in Romans 1:26-7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10.
Gay activists like to point out that none of these scripture references are in the first four books of the New Testament that record the direct teachings of Jesus. The gay argument is that since Jesus never mentioned homosexual behavior, it should not be considered immoral. That argument lacks any merit when one realizes that Jesus never mentioned bestiality either (humans having sexual relations with animals – another aberrant sexual orientation). Using the same gay logic would imply that a human having sex with an animal is not immoral behavior. Bestiality is listed as a sin in the Mosaic Law right after male homosexuality in Leviticus 18:23. Male homosexual behavior and bestiality are the only immoral sexual behaviors listed in Leviticus 18 that include the adjectives of “detestable” and “perversion.” The gay insignificant argument also fails the test on the bestiality comparison because there are even less scriptures that address humans having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:22 explicitly states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.” (NIV) Gay theology argues that the type of homosexual behavior condemned in Leviticus does not include homosexuals in loving and consensual relationships. This gay argument is also without merit when one studies the content of Leviticus 18. Most of Leviticus 18 condemns various close relative and incestuous heterosexual relationships. The author of Leviticus condemns fourteen heterosexual relationships between close relatives and no homosexual incestuous relationships. The obvious reason Leviticus 18 does not list homosexual close relative relationships is because verse 22 condemns all homosexual behavior.
Other arguments put forth by gay theology are that the word for homosexual has been misinterpreted in the passages of the Apostle Paul’s letters; God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah not because homosexual behavior was prevalent in those communities, but because its citizens were inhospitable and sought to rape the male visitors; and the close friendships between Jonathon and David in the Old Testament as well as Jesus and the Apostle John in the New Testament were actually homosexual relationships. The key to all these arguments is still found in Leviticus 18. If Leviticus 18 condemns all homosexual behavior, which I believe it clearly does, these other gay arguments have no foundation for their devious assertions.
Once homosexual behavior is established biblically as sexual immorality along with adultery, close family heterosexual relationships, and bestiality, a host of other biblical scriptures apply to homosexual behavior. The Apostles gave four firm requirements to the non-Jewish Christians in the early church, “to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” (Acts 15:20 NIV) The Apostle Paul wrote, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18 NIV) In his letter to the Ephesians Paul wrote, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.” (Ephesians 5:3 NIV) There are many other New Testament verses with similar instructions to avoid sexual immorality.

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I was discussing these issues on homosexuality with an independent filmmaker in Houston, when she said, “I don’t care if people engage in homosexual behavior in their private quarters.” I was taken back a bit, because I knew I did care and didn’t care at the same time. I was also unclear what she implied by her statement. I had to think that statement through, and out of that thought process came a good example of how Christians need to be prepared to intelligently address issues of homosexuality.
My confusion and a lot of the confusion on issues of homosexuality stem from the fact that in America’s structured society there are different spheres of authority where behavior is subject to scrutiny. I find three distinct spheres where society views homosexual behavior from different perspectives — a medical sphere, a civil law sphere, and a theological or moral sphere. As one who has studied all three of these spheres, I tend to view homosexual issues differently depending on which sphere of authority they pertain to.
To illustrate this concept I am going to give my viewpoints on the filmmakers comment from these three structural spheres. From a medical viewpoint I do not care if two or three or four people engage in consensual homosexual behavior in private quarters, although I have apprehension that they may harm themselves or others. Some of the people engaging in that behavior may have unhealed emotional wounds from their same-sex parent and the behavior might be an attempt to repair that wound. Some may be carrying a sexually transmitted disease. I am not their medical doctor, their psychologist, their psychiatrist, or their close relative, so medically it is none of my business, but as a Christian I should have enough compassion to not want to see these individuals get AIDS or continue in behavior that will deepen their emotional wounds.
From a civil law viewpoint consensual homosexual sex in private quarters is not an infraction of civil law, so from that viewpoint I have no reason to care if people engage in that type of behavior. Sodomy used to be illegal. When it was illegal one could have been concerned that this consensual behavior was breaking the law, and even now some believe that sodomy, like prostitution, should be against the law. On another level as a Christian I care greatly if the civil law tells school children that consensual homosexual relationships are as desirable as heterosexual relationships and equivalent to marriage between one man and one woman, because those types of laws intentionally oppose my Christian moral beliefs.
From a theological viewpoint Christians should be concerned for people who engage in consensual homosexual behavior, because according to biblical scripture it will keep them out of heaven. The Apostle Paul reiterates that warning in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. In direct contrast to the warning is the desire of God to not want “anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) Followers of God should not want anyone to perish either. For those who are not familiar with this Christian terminology and message, one inherits eternal life (heaven) with Jesus upon repentance of their sins, turning away from sinful behavior, and choosing to follow Jesus. When one refuses to repent of sinful behavior and disregard God’s promise through Jesus, they are destined to perish (hell). Jesus talked about heaven and hell many times referring to hell as a place “where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” To the Christian either heaven or hell represent each individuals eternal destiny.
The simple statement by the filmmaker had many interpretations and implications. For example, a moral liberal would state that they do not care if people engage in consensual homosexual sex in private quarters because they believe consensual homosexual sex is moral behavior. A libertarian could make the same statement and not care if the behavior was moral or immoral, because their main principle is personal freedom. A conservative could make the same statement also and in a mean spirited way imply that they don’t care if that person gets AIDS from their sexual behavior, because they are responsible for their own actions. A Christian could also make the same statement in a callous way and imply that they don’t care if people who engage in consensual homosexual behavior go to hell or get AIDS, because they deserve “the due penalty for their perversion.” (Romans 1:27)
As a Christian I do not identify with any of the four interpretations presented of the filmmakers statement. From my Christian viewpoint, although I agree American society gives people the civil right to engage in consensual homosexual sex in private places, I do care that people engage in this behavior, because ultimately I do not want them to go to hell or to harm themselves or to harm others.

Scott Lively #fundie #homophobia scottlively.net

Milo and the “Stockholm Syndrome” of Sodom
Posted on February 22, 2017 by Pastor Scott
In the mid-1970s, America was introduced to “Stockholm Syndrome” when 19 year old Berkeley student and heiress Patty Hearst was transformed from kidnap victim to domestic terrorist by identifying with her captors. Stockholm Syndrome is trauma-induced mental enslavement to the person or group causing the trauma, and Hearst has ever since been its poster child. Her identity hijacked, she joined her Simbionese Liberation Army kidnappers and eventually went to jail for crimes she committed voluntarily in that false persona.

In the unfolding spectacle of the Milo Yiannopoulos pederasty scandal, America is being introduced to a far more potent and common form of this phenomenon: Sodom Syndrome. Like millions of boys through the centuries, 14-year old Milo was recruited into homosexuality by an adult homosexual predator. He then justified his molester, “Father Michael,” in his own mind and recently in unwise but candid media comments. Very typically of adult homosexual men who experienced similar recruitment, Milo portrayed Father Michael as a sort-of coming-of-age mentor, and his young teen self as a consensual partner, fully competent to make his own decisions. (Historically, most male leaders of the “gay” movement share this profile).

In response to the scandal, Milo has recast himself as a helpless victim. While this seems cynical, he actually IS a victim to a far greater extent than most people, and even he himself, realize. I believe what Milo experienced at 14 was Sodom Syndrome, and like Patty Hearst to the SLA, his identity was subsumed into the LGBT culture by psycho/sexual trauma, reinforced by associating sexual climax with his predator’s orientation. Its all about brain chemistry and subconscious coping mechanisms, not free choice – at least not at first.

Like Milo I had a bad relationship with my father, and ventured into the world at an early age. An alcoholic from age 12 and a pothead/drug addict from 14 I lived a vagabond/hitchhiker lifestyle that lasted over ten years and spanned the continent. As such I was a ripe target for recruitment by predators and was solicited by “gay” recruiters countless times. To be fair, only rarely did these men attempt force and fortunately none was successful. To be clear, I never experienced same-sex attraction and didn’t succumb to “gay” recruitment, though I don’t believe anyone is immune to Sodom Syndrome.

When I was about 14 or 15, I spent an afternoon smoking pot with a “gay” guy in his 20’s who explained that young people during puberty have a very fluid sexual identity and how easy it had been for him to turn young teen boys into sex partners. I was very non-judgmental in those days, and didn’t think twice about it, nor similar conversations I had with other homosexuals (though few were that forthright). A confirming study I later saw said 25% of young teens suffer same-sex confusion but most grow out of it naturally by the end of adolescence.

After I had surrendered my life to Christ, been delivered from my addictions and started a family of my own, I saw the world in a wholly different light. A nineteen-year old man, who had “come out” as “gay” after being molested seven or eight years earlier, himself molested a four-year-old boy. I was close to both families and watched that child change from sweet and loveable to hyperactive and rage-driven. He never became homosexual himself to my knowledge, but never really recovered either and now in his 40s lives a miserable life of addiction and crime.

Later as my compassion grew for homosexuals, we took in a repentant ex-“gay” who was dying of AIDS. Sonny lived with us for the last year of his life and I was with him when he died. He attributed his homosexuality to being raped at age seven in a YMCA men’s room by a friend of his father. Sonny’s form of Sodom Syndrome compelled him to seek “gay” sex in settings with the strong smell of urine. He never chose to be that way and expressed deep shame in it, but even in his last days in Christ, the pattern burned into his brain by the youthful trauma remained the identity of his flesh while his mind and spirit were freed only through sexual abstinence.

In the earliest days of my ministry I had the pleasure of making friends with Anthony Falzerano, a leader of the ex-“gay” movement. He said the most common denominator in boys who get recruited is a kind-of “father-hunger” due to troubled family relationships, and that this is easily recognized by predators on the prowl because they suffered it themselves. He and other ex-“gay” leaders showed me by example that the cure to homosexual dysfunction is restoration of male normalcy through long-term healthy relationships with fatherly mentors.

My ex-“gay” friend Richard of Portland, OR sought me out in this way after the predator who made him his houseboy at age 12 (his piano teacher) kicked him out and replaced him when he got too old. My fatherly help blessed Richard through some rough times and gave me personal experience in mentoring ex-“gays.” He never went back and is doing well today.

I’m frequently accused by pro-LGBT leftists of being a suppressed homosexual myself because my life’s work has been opposing their agenda. That’s not true of me, but I’m not insulted by the suggestion because I don’t despise homosexuals like they assume. I do this work because I am a Christian saved by grace, trained for and assigned to this work by my Savior. I do it because I recognize that the sin of Sodom is the most destructive force in human civilization, singularly unique in it’s condemnation in the Bible. I do it because I don’t want to see any more young people lose their innate heterosexual identity to the Sodom Syndrome. Make no mistake – the problem is growing like runaway cancer because we’ve allowed it to go mainstream.

Past criticisms notwithstanding, my heart grieves for Milo Yiannopoulos, because I see what I might myself have become under different circumstances and it is hard to watch anyone crash and burn so spectacularly. What Milo really needs is his Father in Heaven, of course, but he also needs a Dad to lead him out of the darkness of perversion back into the light of normalcy. I pray that this crisis will open his life and heart to both. I’m personally willing to help him in that, if he doesn’t have anyone else. I also pray that Milo’s suffering will not be in vain, but truly open America’s eyes to Sodom Syndrome and it’s own sin in pretending – as a way to avoid confronting hard truths and harsh push-back — they’re all just “born that way” and can’t be cured.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

Diversity Really Means Tolerance for Evil

When we hear people talking about "diversity" nowadays, what they are really saying is that Christians should accept the Person of the wicked. Witches, abortionists and homosexuals have no problem accepting the goodness of Christianity. However, God-fearing Christians cannot accept the sins of witchcraft, abortion and homosexuality. That is the problem. The issue is one of moral tolerance... what will we tolerate as being morally acceptable?

To expect Bible-believing Christians to be tolerant of two men kissing in public is ridiculous. Of course Christians are not going to approve of that. Homosexuals get offended when Christians shun them and gaze with disgust and amazement. What do you expect? Are Christians homophobic? Yes Sir, 100%! I am very much homophobic. The sin of homosexuality scares me to death!!! I don't understand it, don't want to understand it and am glad I don't understand it.

In order for the Antichrist to rule over the world, Satan needs to get the world all on one page. This is why we see the consolidation of world religion, world economies and world government. The teaching of diversity is a vehicle by which the Devil is convincing the masses to lay aside their differences and hop on the bandwagon of the New World Order.

Azril Mohd Amin and Rafidah Hanim Mokhtar #homophobia #wingnut themalaymailonline.com

Let’s be clear. Being leftist does not inoculate you from behaving like a fascist; just as authoritarianism is not the exclusive vice of the right wing. The Nazis, after all, were socialists and lest we forget, Joseph “Dictator” Stalin and Chairman Mao Zedong were communists, while Francisco “Fascist” Franco in Spain was, in fact, a left wing socialist.

The most archetypal examples of totalitarianism in the 20th Century were incarnated by left wing ideologues and simply, using liberal jargon with the aim to appeal to compassion and tolerance in order for you to advance a deeply authoritarian agenda does not make that agenda less offensive.

What makes a movement fascist is the degree, to which it does not accept dissent, its refusal to tolerate other opinions and the outright arrogance in seeking to advance its agenda through force, demonization and denigration of anyone who disagrees with it. And this is quite noticeable among the so-called “progressives;” or what should be more accurately described as the “regressive left.”

The left does not deal magnanimously with anyone who challenges its narratives; in reality, the supporters can be quite malicious.

In Malaysia, human rights NGO, the Centre for Human Rights Research and Advocacy or Centhra, along with a broader coalition of NGOs under the name Macsa (the Malaysian Alliance of Civil Society Organisations in the UPR Process), recently published a statement against the efforts to advance political agenda of the LGBT community in the country against the prevailing sentiments and religious concerns of the general public.

Centhra and Macsa were instantly excoriated online by gay-rights activists and left-wingers as advocates of “selective rights.” Worse off, Centhra and Macsa were brandished as bigots and as religious extremists. Their credentials as human rights defenders were rejected with the allegations that they purportedly did not align with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 (UDHR) in their opposition to, for instance, same-sex marriage.

LGBT defenders’ political game

To begin with, it should be acknowledged that it is a political ideology to regard homosexuality as an identity akin to race or ethnicity. This is neither an objective nor a scientific fact and for all intents and purposes, it remains merely an opinion.

Another opinion, far closer to objective evidence, is that homosexuality is a chosen behaviour. Therefore, the moment we begin to talk about the “rights” of the LGBT community, we are participating in an ideological discussion.

Declaring that LGBT individuals deserve special rights and protections is based on the concept that homosexuality is an identity, and this should not be accepted as an un-debatable fact. A good deal of the progress in the LGBT agenda has derived from their making this concept unquestionable; even though the actual science on the matter is, at best, inconclusive.

It is an entirely valid viewpoint if you do not subscribe to the idea that there should be special rights afforded to LGBT individuals. This viewpoint does not in any way equate to believing that the general rights afforded to all people do not apply to them.

If you choose to believe that homosexuality is a chosen behaviour, which, in the absence of conclusive scientific evidence to the contrary, is the most reasonable assumption to make; then, like everyone else, LGBT individuals are, and should be, subject to laws that regulate public behaviour.

Furthermore, like everyone else, their choices once made, will tend to limit (or at the very least impact) their subsequent available options.

Take for example the right to contract a marriage. The right to marry is upheld by the UDHR, but it is a right upheld for heterosexual couples exclusively, wherein article 16(1) thereof uses the phrase “men and women of full age.”

There is nothing whatsoever that contradicts the UDHR if one does not believe in the right of same-sex couples to marry. Nor is there anything inaccurate about describing the push for gay-rights and same-sex marriage as essentially a political agenda, rather than a human rights concern.

If one chooses to exclusively partner with members of one’s own sex, one has implicitly chosen to not marry and to not procreate. It is made with a conscious decision to choose. These are at least two of the obvious ramifications of that choice, and avoiding the consequences of one’s decisions is not a human right.

One cannot invoke their right to food, for example, when they have chosen to spend their income on other things.

Pushing political agenda in the name of human rights

The regressive left are manipulators of the UDHR, not defenders of it. They are not human rights campaigners; they are political extortionists who couch their demands in the language of human rights.

The preamble of the UDHR states that “a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realisation of this pledge,” yet the leftists want to reinterpret the terms of the contract which the UDHR represents after it has been signed; and by this new interpretation, they intend to include things to which the signatories have not agreed; and they call this “defending” the UDHR!

The UDHR provides no special recognition of homosexuality as an identity deserving specific rights or protections; it only states that the general rights outlined in the declaration cannot be denied to any individual on the basis of his or her sex.

That is what the signatories have agreed to; nothing more and nothing less of this. And the term “sex” used herein refers to the biological anatomy of an individual, as opposed to the term “gender” which may refer to the social role based on the sex of the person.

Pushing the political agenda of recognisng homosexuality as an identity rather than a chosen behaviour, has no basis in the UDHR, and opposing that agenda is in no way conflicting with the rights enshrined in it. Every nation is free to legislate behaviour according to their own standards of morality and justice and logic.

The UDHR has always respected each member state’s rights to establish its own human rights laws within the ambit of its national narratives.

One must ask, why are the leftists in Malaysia holding other fellow citizens in such contempt that they believe they are incapable of determining for themselves what is best for our society? Why do they presume, when the people of Malaysia disapprove of homosexuality, and resist the same-sex political project, that they are all religious extremists and ignorant bigots; all the while it is the leftists who are seeking to force average Malaysians to follow their unpopular political opinions?

In short, why are they so fundamentally undemocratic in their pursuit of their “human rights” agenda?

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #sexist #conspiracy jesus-is-savior.com

Feminism, witchcraft, lesbianism, homosexuality, New Age philosophies, and abortion--have ALL infested America at the SAME TIME (over the past 40 years)! Don't you think that is kind of odd? The reason is simple--sin and evil are a package deal. When a nation rebels against God by allowing something as hideous as rock-n-roll music (which is rooted in Satanism), then every sin imaginable follows. It was no coincidence that Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan in 1966. It was at the same time that prayer and Bible reading were removed from the public school system.

It was at the same time that feminism reared it's ugly head. Hundreds of rock-n-roll bands were formed, many originating from the Church of Satan. Marilyn Manson is even a high priest of the Church of Satan. Aleister Crowley (a known sexual degenerate, God-hater, and occultist) has been praised as a hero by several rock-n-rolls legends, including the Beatles who include Crowley's photo on their Sgt. Peppers album cover.

In 1966, the Beach Boys released "Pet Sounds" which features the band members feeding goats (representative of Satan in witchcraft and Satanism). Then there's Paul McCartney's 1971 album, RAM, which features Paul fondling a Ram on the album cover (very creepy to anyone who understands that the ram is also representative of Satan in witchcraft and Satanism). Here's a quote from Mr. Beach Boy himself...

"We were doing witchcraft, trying to make witchcraft music."
SOURCE: Brian Wilson quoted in Nick Kent's The Dark Stuff (pg.27.)

Patricia Kennealy of The Doors was a professed Wiccan witch! Even bands such as Earth, Wind, and Fire and the Allen Parson's Project were clearly Satanic, promoting the occult. One of the top songs of the 70's was "Hotel California" by the Eagles. Most people have no idea the song refers to the Church of Satan, which happens to be located in a converted HOTEL on CALIFORNIA street! On the inside of the album cover, looking down on the festivities, is Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible!

People say, the Eagles aren't serious, they're just selling records. That's what you think! The Eagles manager, Larry Salter, admitted in the Waco Tribune-Herald, (Feb. 28, 1982) that the Eagles were involved with the Church of Satan! Not surprisingly, one of the Eagle's songs is titled "Have A Good Day in Hell."

It's not pop culture; it's pop occulture! I could go on and on about the Satanic roots of rock music; and not just rock... Dolly Parton recently sang and re-popularized one of the most notorious Satanic songs ever written (Stairway to Heaven) by one of the most notorious Satanic bands ever, Led Zeppelin. Even Johnny Cash sold out to Satan. The spiritually alert believer recognizes that Satan is being promoted.

Now you're probably wondering what all this talk about rock-n-roll has to do with abortion; in a word... EVERYTHING! Few people realize the occult influences and philosophies inherent with the rock-n-roll culture. America's citizens don't realize just how much the Devil's music has CHANGED America for the worse, MUCH worse.

The famous artists themselves are ALL rebellious, sin-loving, God-haters. A quick look at a few artists proves my point. Elton John is a homosexual. The American people have grown up listening to the vile music of a homosexual. You hear his music in stores, in most places of work, in restaurants, etc. This is extremely deceiving because many people associate his pretty music with his lifestyle. They reason that since Elton John sings good music, then homosexuality must not be so bad; BUT, God says that homosexuality is a horrible sin (Romans 1:25-32).

I am not trying to be unkind, I am just stating a FACT... Rock-n-roll is a religion of Satanism, the occult, witchcraft, immoral sex, feminism, rebellion against authority, drug abuse, alcoholism, and ABORTION! What the iron fist of Communism couldn't achieve, the subtle self-destroying effects of Rock 'N' Roll music is accomplishing. Our society is being moral subverted deliberately, training teenagers to fornicate instead of courtship and marriage. The rich power elite want to create a society where parents are mere incubators producing loyal servants of the Communist State.

I realize that there are many other contributing factors such as television, the godless public school system, cable TV, liberal theologians, planned parenthood (Murderhood), corrupt Bibles, the evil Federal Reserve bankers, a lying news media, dead churches, corruption in government, etc, etc, etc.; BUT, the Devil's music has been the catalyst which has allowed all these things to thrive and fester.

The music itself is demonic and influences it's listener's for Satan. Abortion didn't just happen one day, it began as a result of a generation of youth who became DESENSITIZED towards sin because of various Godless influences, mainly rock-n-roll. It is not mere coincidence that abortion has flourished in a nation which praises the godless rock star idols of rock-n-roll. The entire message of rock-n-roll is sexual liberation, fornication, and immorality.

From Lorelei ("Lorelei let's live together") by Styx, to Twist and Shout ("shake it up baby") by the Beatles... Rock 'N' Roll promotes sexual sins. The natural result is UNWANTED pregnancies and abortion! You cannot have a sexually promiscuous society that shakes it's fist in the face of God (by breaking God's moral laws), and then expect God's blessings! Abortion is the direct result of a sin-loving people with few morals. This is the sum of Rock 'n' Roll.

Amos Moses #fundie #transphobia #homophobia disqus.com

Amos Moses:
if they are trannies ..... then they were BORN THAT WAY according to you ...... and if they are homosexual or lesbians ..... THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY according to you ..... and they CANNOT CHANGE according to you ...... so the same STANDARD YOU APPLY ..... applies to PEDOPHILES ........... and it is only YOUR OPINION it is abuse ...... its pretty basic .........

Enniscorthy:
It saddens me greatly that you are advocating for the systemic sexual abuse of children. I thought you were a Christian. I will always fight to protect a child from a sexual abuser. A child's rights far outweigh another person's desire for sexual abuse.

Amos Moses:
No, no, no, no, no ........ YOU have set a STANDARD that LOGICALLY includes PEDOPHILES ...... YOUR STANDARD ...... and i am trying to get you to see YOUR ERROR .........

Enniscorthy:
Well, I am sitting here saying that under no circumstance would I allow an adult to sexually abuse a child, and you're screaming at me that yes I would. Clearly you don't know what my standard is when you keep telling me the very opposite of what I'm stating. I don't know why you elect to ignore that a child is not party to what the adult does to him or her and that it's somehow okay just because we don't want to be politically correct. In fact, NO ONE feels that way, so you're not just misrepresenting me but practically everyone else out there. No one cares what a pedophile's attractions are. A child must be protected. And no one argues that because it's pretty clear and obvious.
This is why we don't compare homosexuality to pedophilia. If two grown adults are attracted, there's no reason to tell them what they are doing is wrong. Not a single one. But pedophilia is an act of abuse on a child who cannot consent. I'm surprised you have to have this explained to you.

Amos Moses:
but if homosexuals are BORN THAT WAY and it is INNATE ..... and TRANNIES are also BORN THAT WAY and it is INNATE ...... then the same STANDARD YOU SET APPLIES to PEDOPHILES ......... or WHY NOT ...............

Enniscorthy:
This is too, too delicious for words. You accused me of a strawman recently without knowing what it really means. Now I'm going to tell you something: YOU are guilty of a strawman argument.
You keep sitting here telling me that I'm a hypocrite to be OK with homsexuality but not pedophilia when both are innate. The reason that's a strawman is THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID, and certainly not what I ever meant either.
If somebody's actions, no matter how innate they are, cause a child to be physically and emotionally damaged because of an act of non-consensual abuse, they I will stand against them. That's always been my "standard", not the one you keep INSISTING is my standard and I never never once claimed. "Innate" is NOT my argument, it's the one you keep TELLING me is my argument. And "born that way", which again I never said and don't even particularly believe.
So the reason I'm OK with homosexuality but not pedophilia is because in one situation an innocent party is abused, and in the other, no one is abused. It is consensual. THAT is my argument, informed consent, not whether it's INNATE.

Amos Moses:
NOPE .... it is applying the STANDARD you have set for SEXUALITY ...... and if it changes or not ...... and how DARE YOU tell a PEDOPHILE he or she has to go through a "sexless life" ............ to not have sex with a person he or she loves ..... who do you think you are ...... /sarc off ....... and there is a DIFFERENCE between a strawman argument and SARCASM to ridicule your position ............

Enniscorthy:
Here you are again, telling me the "standard I have set for sexuality." If it's my so-called "standard", why don't you tell me where or when I ever said it? Once again, reading what you've written here, it sounds very much like you're putting the rights of a pedophile over the child they choose to abuse. Are you doing this to make fun of my position, because once again, that ISN'T my position. I say protect the child at all costs and have always said that. The pedophile's attractions (not love, as you said) are irrelevant if a child gets hurt. Whether strawman or sarcasm (and you've used both), you are deliberately misrepresenting my standards, and my position and my beliefs.

Itisamuh #wingnut #homophobia mmo-champion.com

I love the hypocrisy of this (not you specifically, just the general attitude people have.)

People against homosexuality can say it's an unnatural pairing because it can't lead to reproduction, and thus shouldn't be supported. But then the supporters try to turn that around, and say "Well then you're saying that people who can't have children for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to either, right?!" It happens every single time.

But when it comes to incest, those same supporters won't agree if you use the exact same approach and say "Then anyone who even has a chance of passing a disease or disorder shouldn't be allowed to be marry or have children, right?"

Yeah, I kind of sympathize for them, even as a conservative. It strikes me as ridiculous that society is embracing things like homosexuality (which to me is far more strange than a brother and sister) but still condemning incest. Either traditional ideals should remain in tact, or anything should go. There is really no legitimate case to make for in between.

Fai Mao #homophobia freerepublic.com

The homosexuals will tell you about a guy they know that was married with kids and one day woke up and discovered he was homosexual. They have no problem with that.

Why can’t the opposite happen?

The fag lobby is, or so it appears to me, in violation of the latest leftist bandwagon, gender fluidity.

It isn’t just homosexuals finding a religion that have this happen. The leftist mayor of Ew Yuck City, Michael Bloomberg’s wife is a former lesbian.

D. O'Leary #homophobia fathersforlife.org

Boys who are excessively "pretty", sickly, sensitive, non-athletic, youngest brothers, fatherless, or whose mothers are psychologically troubled are at greater risk. There is some evidence that adopted sons may be at-risk, perhaps because of separation anxiety or because the father may find it more difficult to bond with a non-biological child than the mother. "At-risk" does not mean that a homosexual outcome is inevitable, only that it is more likely than in a boy who shows none of these symptoms. The symptoms of an at-risk boy are:

1) Fear of rough and tumble play

2) Lack of same-sex playmates

3) Dislike of team sports

4) Doll play

5) Cross dressing or interest in women's clothes or shoes

6) Effeminate speech or mannerism

7) Playacting in which the boy takes a feminine part.

8) Frequent statements that he wants to be a girl or is a girl.

These symptoms usually appear between 2 and 8 and then in some cases fade away as the boy is pressured by peers. The fading away of the more external manifestations should not however be taken as a sign that the problem has resolved itself. Often it merely goes underground and emerges in adolescence as same-sex attraction.

When symptoms are observed, early intervention -- basically more father/male influence and less mother/female influence -- is usually effective, particularly if accompanied by counseling of child and parents. However, since these boys need male closeness, they are easily targeted by pedophiles and therefore need positive male relationships and extra support throughout childhood and adolescence.

A comprehensive review of the literature on how homosexuality develops in males leads to the conclusion that it is a cumulative process in which one trauma leads to another, Each trauma increases the chance that the boy will be retraumatized and each trauma intensifies the effect of the subsequent trauma. A boy who doesn't have a good relationship with his father, turns to his mother. This makes the relationship with his father worse. A boy who is over-identified with his mother and feels unloved by his father will find it difficult to relate to male peers. Teasing by peers intensifies feelings of alienation from his father and drives him to seek comfort from his mother. This child is particularly vulnerable to child molesters and likely to interpret the molestation as evidence that he is homosexual. And so on.

Got Questions #fundie #homophobia gotquestions.org

Question: "Does God hate shrimp?"

Answer: The essential argument of GodHatesShrimp.com is that we should not condemn homosexuality as a sin based on the Old Testament because the Old Testament also refers to eating certain kinds of seafood (including shrimp) as an abomination, yet Christians do not have any problem with eating shrimp or any of the other forbidden foods. Does the "God hates shrimp" argument have any validity? Yes and no.

First, it is important to note that the title "God hates shrimp" is a reaction to a particular group of anti-homosexuality protestors that are famous for promoting the saying "God hates fags." The argument is that if God hates homosexuals, based on the Old Testament Law, then God equally hates those who eat shrimp. The Bible nowhere says that God hates homosexuals, however. There are lists of things that God hates in the Old Testament (see Proverbs 6:16-19), and homosexuality does not make the list. Yes, homosexuality is a sin, and yes, God hates sin. But again, the Bible nowhere says that God hates homosexuals, or that homosexuality is any more difficult for God to forgive.

Back to the "God hates shrimp" argument - is it valid? Yes and no. First, a Christian should never make an argument exclusively using the Old Testament Law. Jesus fulfilled the Law, ending its requirements (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). If you use the Old Testament Law as the sole argument for homosexuality being a sin, you should also declare that everything the Law outlaws to be sin: eating shrimp, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics, sowing different types of seed into the same field, etc. No, Jesus fulfilled the Law. Christians are not bound by the Old Testament Law, but rather are to be subject to the Law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-39; Galatians 6:2).

So, if the Old Testament Law cannot exclusively be used to argue for homosexuality being sinful, why then do Christians believe homosexuality is sinful? The answer is that the New Testament also clearly and explicitly states that homosexuality is both immoral and unnatural (Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). The New Testament confirms the Old Testament command against homosexuality, explains why the command existed, and argues for why homosexuality should continue to be considered sinful. What then about shrimp? Does God still hate shrimp? No. Jesus Himself "declared all foods clean" (Mark 7:19). Jesus later confirmed this in a vision to Peter (Acts 10:15). While the New Testament confirms that homosexuality is sinful, it clearly indicates the food laws to be null and void. God never hated shrimp. Rather, God disallowed the consumption of shrimp to distinguish the Israelites' diet from that of the surrounding nations, and likely due to the fact that since they are bottom-feeders, shrimp are really not very healthy.

What should be learned from the "God hates shrimp" argument is that we should use the word of God consistently, "rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15, NKJV). As New Covenant believers, we are not to use the Old Testament Law as the exclusive basis for our morality. Rather, we are to study the whole counsel of Scripture and live accordingly.

Robert T. Lee #fundie #psycho #homophobia #forced-birth tencommandments.org

CONTROLLING THE WORLD'S POPULATION

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The present world's population of people is said to be nearly 6 billion. It is expected to rise to 8.9 billion by 2030, and reach 10 to 14 billion by 2050. The largest increases are expected to take place in some of the poorer countries, such as Africa and southern Asia.

In view of those projections, more and more attention is being placed on ways to control the world's population.

Some of the present methods proposed and practiced are: legislation restricting how many children a family can have, contraceptives, sterilization, sexual abstinence, permanent celibacy, deliberately induced abortions, infanticide, euthanasia, homosexuality, delayed marriage, sterilization of the retarded, war, fatal disease inducement upon certain portions of the human population and etc.

Although demography draws its insight from several of the so-called intellectual fields, such as anthropology, biology, economics, history, medicine, sociology and statistics, it is quite obvious that most of the ways proposed and being tried to control the human population is blindness, foolishness, immoral and thus infringes upon the God-given rights of the weakest and most innocent of the human community.

There is a better and more sane way to control the human population without allowing immorality, without doing injustice to anyone and while not seeking to discourage pronatalist views among the human population.

Since the population of mankind is a "closed" population - no humans can migrate to and from earth, only the rate of births and deaths can increase or decrease the human population.

Therefore, the way to control the population growth is through the increase of the human mortality rate by legitimate means. Not through the crimes of abortions, infanticide, euthanasia and etc; but through the automatic DEATH PENALTY for the broad spectrum of deeds that are high crimes in the sight of the true GOD. This principle of population control has never been addressed by demography. It is the cornerstone of proper human population control which the builders have rejected.

Some of the high crimes which God requires the human society to vigorously enforce the death penalty upon are: blasphemy against the true God; idolatry; breaking the Lord's day; dishonor to parents; murder; adultery; incest; homosexuality; bestiality; rape; kidnapping; seeking to destroy the righteous; putting to death the innocent (such as putting innocent embryos and fetuses to death in abortions); seeking to overthrow God's appointed authority, etc.

In order for the world community of humans to actually put this decorous principle into practice, it must adopt the MORAL LAW OF GOD - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS as the supreme laws of the World community.

This principle of controlling the population would positively affect the economic prosperity of nations, positively affect the health and increase the life expectancy of lawabidding citizens, properly educate the human race, positively affect the family structure, overwhelmingly reduce crime, etc. Every legitimate aspect of the human society would benefit greatly.

By adopting the TEN COMMANDMENTS as the supreme laws of the earth and properly administering them, the true criminals - those worthy of death, will be the ones put to death instead of the innocent. It is only right to focus on true criminals who commit high crimes in order to control the world's population rather than focusing on the most helpless, innocent and weakest people of the human society.

Mark Bradshaw #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

Mark Bradshaw: The author stated: "For instance, does it make any sense for a Christian to pluck Old Testament verses from their original historical and cultural context in order to clobber others, given that we are not under the Law but under Grace? It seems it would be a con to the very faith we proclaim!" ------- While we ARE under God's grace (through the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross), He (God) STILL CONDEMNS sinful behavior and we are to STILL abide by his law. Part of that law is that certain behaviors are STILL considered sin. Among them is the behavior of homosexuality (and all sexual behavior outside of man-woman marriage. Jesus said that we are to sin no more. If all sin is forgiven, then to what sin was He referring? Moral law established in the Old Testament is STILL valid and in effect. Moral law did not simply disappear because Jesus died for our sins. We are forgiven for our sins when we accept the gift of forgiveness from Jesus and develop a relationship with Him. The road to God and eternal fellowship with Him is through Jesus and Jesus alone. We are to rebuke and reject ALL sin both in ourselves and others. One must first recognize sinful behavior before one can truly reject it. And, only through Jesus can we truly reject sin.
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glenbo: >>"Moral law established in the Old Testament is STILL valid and in effect."<< Therefore, we can own, buy, sell and beat slaves to death. Women must marry their rapists. We are to murder anyone who dares to work on the Sabbath. And we are to murder all homosexuals. This is GOD'S Morality. And as Christians, you are bound to uphold it.

Mark Bradshaw: Uh, NO. You clearly do NOT understand God's law. Slavery was NOT part of God's moral law, therefore your assertion is fallacious. Same with women being require to marry their rapists - that is part of ceremonial law. Again, same with the Sabbath - part of ceremonial law and not in effect. "And we are to murder all homosexuals." ----- AGAIN, FALSE. this part of God's law was forgiven through Jesus Christ.

Lady Checkmate #fundie#homophobia#wingnut disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Man massages teen's back at airport, hands him money"

(Fox News cut and paste as usual: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/31/police-man-massages-teens-back-at-airport-hands-him-money.html)

(NOTE: This IS a disturbing story, but it is being submitted due to Lady Checkmate's completely over-the-top response)

Lady Checkmate:
"Alarming content"? The alt-left child-rapists are at it again, trying to seduce a child and introduce him to gay-play with intentions to probably rape him later. Not to mention the pedophile tried to pay the child off.

Krešimir Bagarić #fundie #psycho #homophobia index.hr

{Translation from Croatian by Vman; translator's notes will be given in brackets and italicized, like this}

The Matija Gubec school in Zagreb's Knežžija quarter has a peculiar catechist {= teacher of Religious Education}. While Krešimir Bagarić ought to be teaching his pupils Catholic catechesis, love and forgiveness, he instead tells them which Croatian politicians ought to be killed, whose heads should be impaled on a spike, and he also praises a war criminal, the Serb general Ratko Mladić.


Pupils encourage the catechist in his hatred

Index has obtained a recording of Bagarić's ranting at a lecture for an eighth grade class. One of the pupils recorded it. This is not the first time Bagarić has acted this way, so the child summoned the courage to tape the catechist and deliver the recording to Index. Some children's voices were changed and surnames hidden in the recording in order to protect their identities - even the voices of those who are star pupils and encourage their teacher's hatred.

{audio of Bagarić's rant (in Croatian)}


Impaling people on a spike, all the way to Rijeka and Zagreb

For starters, teacher Bagarić explained to the pupils how he thinks Operation Storm should have looked like.

“We're fools, we should have allowed two corridors {for the Serb refugees and army that were fleeing}. One to Zagreb, the other to Rijeka {major cities in Croatia, they hadn't been occupied by Serb forces}. So after their [citizens'] heads were impaled on spikes, then we come in. That's what should have happened to the fine gentlemen in Zagreb who think that Croatia ends in Karlovac {a city not very far from Zagreb that was on the frontlines during the war}. Idiots and cretins. Short-sighted,” Bagarić put forth as his tactical plan. But that wasn't enough for him. The recording was made in the immediate aftermath of the verdict against Slobodan Praljak, so Bagarić dedicated most of his presentation to the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina, throwing in praise for the [war] crimes [Bosnian Serb army general and Chief of Staff] Ratko Mladić committed against the Bosniaks.


The General was right

“It turns out that the General was right. He protected his own people. The General was right when it comes to Serb interests. While we have suckers. With all due respect to suckers. Even a teacher can be crazy sometimes,” Bagarić added a bit of self-criticism along with the praise.

Following his praise for the man who ordered the killing of thousands of Muslims [in Srebrenica], who kept [Bosnian capital city] Sarajevo under siege for years, who prior to that had no qualms about killing [Croatian] people in Dalmatia, Bagarić then expounded to the students on who in Croatia ought to be killed.


Hanging, suicide with three bullets to the back, being thrown into a septic tank

“Two former presidents and one former minister of foreign affairs ought to be hanged for this, right away. On the double. The man {Stipe Mesić, former President of Croatia} opened the presidential safe and gave away the transcripts. Damn your family to the seventh generation, you traitor. Filthy, smelly traitor. May you never have peace,” the catechist cursed during religious ed class. But a curse and the invocation of hanging weren't enough for him. Bagarić gave other suggestions as well.

“You have the minister of foreign affairs, Vesna Pusić, who speaks openly around the world. You don't have that anywhere but here. Try to imagine a French minister doing a single thing against the Republic. You'll just disappear. Take your pick - heart attack, brain stroke, suicide with three bullets to the back, however it goes. Only we give our prostitutes and traitors important positions.

Only we are such a pathetic nation, there is no nation more pathetic than the Croats,” claimed Bagaric, who has an interesting perspective on Christian love. Bagarić once more returned to the subject of Mesić and Vesna Pusić, stating that they require “a bullet to the head on the double. Throw them into the nearest septic tank. The traitor.”


Croats are 4.2 million cretins

In addition to the aforementioned insults, Bagarić graced the Croatian people with epithets such as “ungrateful rabble, morons, cretins, dunces, 4.2 million cretins”. We repeat, this was during religious education classes.

“We've got neoliberal democratic cretins who think gay is ok and that all of us ought to hold hands together under the rainbow flag,” teacher Bagarić said, adding a bit of homophobic message. At one moment he also commented on his colleagues, the teachers of the Matija Gubec Elementary School.


The colleagues celebrate the Day of the Republic

“You know, in the staff room, it's the Day of the Republic* for 50 percent of the employees,” he claimed, probably considering them to be Yugoslavs or at the very least nostalgic for the former state.

{* The Day of the Republic was a holiday during the socialist Yugoslavia. It was celebrated on the 29th of November. By accusing people of celebrating it, Bagarić wants to imply that they are closet Yugoslavs (read: traitors), closet communists (read: godless traitors) and/or hate everything Croat. All of which are unicorn concepts in modern day Croatia, that is, they are almost non-existent. Simply put, he's basically verbally bludgeoning everyone to the left of Donald Trump.}

We asked the school's principal, Ljiljana Klinger, for an explanation regarding the way Bagarić holds his classes. She answered a few of our questions very briefly.


The principal uses the Vatican Agreements as a cop-out

“In accordance with the Agreements between the Holy See and the Republic of Croatia, the appointment of catechists is within the juristiction of the Catechist Office, as is the responsibility for catechists' professional development and progress. That said, if these allegations are accurate and truthful, there is no doubt that serious professional and legal sanctions will be undertaken. For such drastic offenses we are also obliged to involve the other relevant institutions,” replied the principal of the school, which is - in addition to children from the Knežžija quarter - also attended by the children of foreign diplomats and foreigners working in Zagreb. The school, part of whose teaching is done in the English language, has long been reputed to be one of the best schools in Zagreb, having earned the City of Zagreb Award.

Alfred T. Overstreet #fundie #homophobia gospeltruth.net

(Note: This is in the middle of his lecture where he teaches that Original Sin is unbiblical and than drops this gem)

Homosexuals Are Not Born Homosexuals

Homosexuals often cover and excuse their evil acts of perversion by saying they were born homosexuals. And if the teaching is true that men are born with a sinful nature, homosexuals are right to say they were born homosexuals. For they were born homosexuals if they were born sinners. Also they are right to excuse their evil acts of perversion. For if they were born sinners, they were born homosexuals; and if they were born homosexuals they can no more be blamed for their evil acts of perversion than the brute beasts can be blamed for being born brute beasts. Likewise the alcoholic cannot be blamed for his drinking if it is true he was born with the "disease of alcoholism." In fact the murderer, the rapist, and all other sinners have a perfect and legitimate excuse for all their sins if they were born with a sinful nature. But God never excuses the murderer or the drunkard or the rapist or the homosexual or any other sinner for his sins. For God created all men with a good nature, and for men to sin they must go against their nature: they must sin against nature. All sin is a corruption of man's nature, it is a perversion of man's nature. It is rebellion against our nature--it is rebellion against the "law of God written in our hearts" and against the God who has written his law in our hearts. No man is born a sinner. No man is born with the "disease of alcoholism." No man is born a homosexual:

"Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature." Romans 1:26
"Also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lusts one toward another." Romans 1:27

"Neither shalt thou lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion." Leviticus 19:22-23

"God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." Ecclesiastes 7:29

Unknown author #fundie #homophobia loamagazine.org

I am 19 years old and I want to tell you about my healing. I am talking about a serious problem – homosexuality. I want to show that God does heal wounds and inclinations that seem incurable.

When I was a boy in high school, I was like everyone else. I had girlfriends, even steady girlfriends. I went out with one girl for a year and a half. I really felt I was in love with them all. But deep down I felt something else – something that terrified me. I felt an attraction to men. At first, these were just “innocent” fantasies. Later on – like so many young people today – I began experiencing problems with purity. I masturbated and fantasized about boys. I also looked at gay pornography. Once I even had oral sex. I won’t go into details, since that is not what this is about. Now when I think about my past, I feel nothing but loathing for what I did, but I know that it is only in describing what I felt and the change that took place in me that I can truthfully bear witness to God’s mercy.

I feel disgust at what I did, but not at myself, since it is Satan who condemns and accuses me. He is the one who tells us we are worthless and hideous in the sight of God. Even though something may be disgusting in God’s sight, He does not condemn us. What God does do is call us to our senses. He invites us to repent, since by such behavior we only condemn ourselves. “In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing” (Rom 2:27). “Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexuals— – none of these will possess God’s kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9).

By my sinful actions I was offending not only God but also my girlfriend who knew nothing of all this, and of course myself. What made the scandal worse was that all this time I was part of a Christian group. But perhaps this very thing saved my life. It was at these meetings that I really got to know God. Reading the Gospels, I learned that Jesus heals all wounds – including homosexuality. Reading further in the First Letter to the Corinthians, we see this at once: “Some of you were like that. But you have been purified from sin; you have been dedicated to God; you have been put right with God by the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Cor 6:11).

These words gave me hope. God’s purpose in giving us the commandments is to make our journey to heaven easier, not harder! His ordinances are consistent with our human nature. I am therefore absolutely convinced that homosexuality is a disordered attraction – a wound, and not love at all. Coming to this understanding – by no means easy for me – was my first step toward healing.

Here I would like to address all those who wrestle with homosexual tendencies. Do not to fall for the lie that homosexuality is natural! Having struggled with these tendencies myself, I know how tempting this lie is. I am not writing this to scare you but because God has freed me from an addiction to sin and I want you to enjoy this freedom as well. If you find yourself trapped in homosexual behavior, I ask one thing of you: that right after you finish reading this letter you go to Confession. Do it even if this means that for a time you have to spend two hours every third day in the confessional! God wants you to be happy, and homosexuality is a great obstacle to it. You hear Christ telling you this just as most certainly you feel it within yourself. You know you want to be free of your addiction. You want to change, but you keep falling back into sin. Never give up the struggle!

The apostle Peter kept falling too. When he wished to walk on the water, he sank beneath the waves. Three times he denied Jesus, even though he swore before his Master’s death that he would never betray Him. But Peter was great precisely because he always picked himself up again. The number of times you fall, the number of times you look lustfully at a man is not what counts. What is important is your desire to change, to be healed, to stand before God and say, “My Lord, I know I am but a worm in your eyes. And yet this worm is yours. And so I beg you to show me your mercy and heal me. You see that I fall, yet I want to get up again and keep going – towards you, my Lord Jesus, my Savior.”

If you are unable to admit your weakness or to feel remorse, pray that you may feel it. Ask God to pour the grace of repentance into your heart. Remember, it is always Satan who condemns you. Even though it has been a year since my healing, Satan still accuses me; he continually reminds me of the person I was. He does this because he has lost the battle and God’s mercy has won. Scripture consoles us with God’s word: “When anyone is joined to Christ, he is a new being; the old is gone, the new has come” (2 Cor 6: 17) God created us to be holy. Jesus desires our conversion and does everything He can to bring this about in us. He is limited only by our freedom. So ask God to heal your heart and so enable you to entrust yourself entirely to His will. Even though you may not know where you are going, give yourself wholly to Jesus, for He is the Way and the Life.

If you have already embarked on the journey of healing – this may be a very long journey! – remember this: Jesus never, ever, condemns you. When you stumble, He offers you His hand. Do not forget Mary either. She is your Mother too. She wants you to be happy. Happiness is not the freedom of this world but freedom in God. To be happy is to enjoy God’s freedom and His love, and these work miracles. If you hear condemnation in your heart, it is the voice of Satan; he is afraid he is losing you. But do not be afraid yourself! Go to Holy Mass as often as possible, go to Confession immediately after each relapse, adore Christ, ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of freedom, and pray the Holy Rosary. Recent experience tells me Satan fears blessed objects. So carry a rosary, crucifix or holy picture in your wallet. Fight the good fight for God’s freedom, for cleansing, for healing, for liberation from sin. You will be amazed how surely God will lead you. And He will teach how to truly love a woman – with His own love.

So here’s wishing you devout praying and a steadfast battle – with God at your side. May He fortify all those who wish to make a clean break with homosexuality. May He open the eyes of those who have hardened their hearts. May they come to know the Merciful God and by the grace of Jesus and prompting of the Holy Spirit immerse themselves in His Divine Mercy.

Josh #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

It comes down to this: a Christian is someone who has repented and turned to believe in the salvation that Christ bought with His blood on the cross after He was buried and resurrected. I don't see how a God who hates sin could allow us to practice it willingly. Does He forgive us when we sin? To those who have accepted His salvation, yes. Is there a possibility you will sin after you are saved? Absolutely. But the fact of the matter is you should be walking with Jesus towards seeing holiness in your life, or freedom from sin. You were freed when you were saved but it takes time to see it work out in your life. There is no point where a truly saved Christian should think: God is ok with my sin and I can live this way. Sin separates and either you are separated from Him eternally through rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, or separated momentarily through sinning in your relationship with Him.

But you are not walking in the Spirit and having homosexual sex with a man, whether you are married or single. The verse in Leviticus that labels homosexuality an abomination has been fulfilled in Christ. So if something is fulfilled do you now do the opposite of what it said? No by standing in the righteousness of Jesus Christ Who fulfilled the Law, you stand in the righteousness as if you completed each Law yourself. That means in your personal life you uphold the notion that same gender sex is an abomination. You do not turn to another point of view; it would be outside of Scripture not to.

To address Matthew Vines' arguments, God did not need to create a partner suitable for gay man because man was not created to be gay, or else he would be in the garden with Adam. Homosexuality came about after sin entered in. Read Genesis 1-3 and tell me if you see any mention of homosexuality.

Honestly, it doesn't matter if a homosexual man feels like he has to be "celibate" for the rest of his life, or if because of the scriptural teachings of the bible the homosexual is left feeling hurt, torn, and has their dreams broken of becoming married to another man. It doesn't matter because Jesus is trying to emphasize that this was never intended and if a gay person has to learn that they must give up these things as they follow Him so be it. It's better than the alternative; living in the lie of thinking that the Bible approves homosexuality and end up in hell for all eternity because you never truly knew the real Jesus- the Jesus of the Bible.

The real Jesus through His Holy Spirit convicts man of sin. Man has long been convicted of homosexuality as being a sin before this past couple generations who believe orientation is a choice. That's another mistake: to believe that God was not omnipotent enough when writing the Bible to know that there would be gay people trying to find their place. And I tell you He did:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (?2 Timothy? ?4?:?3-4? KJV)

So the answer is this: homosexuality is a sin. God does not condone it neither does His Word. He hates it but He loves you. It is more important ending up in heaven forever living for Jesus correctly than ending up in hell listening to some guy who doesn't believe the Word of God is the final authority and says that it's ok to live the way you were before you got saved. And then maybe the question is how do you know if you're truly saved to begin with? The gospel is simply stated as so:
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (?Romans? ?10?:?8-11, 13? KJV)

That's it. If you've repented and believed the Gospel and called on the name of Jesus you shall be saved. I hope that God spoke through me tonight. I hope and pray that someone some time is helped by this post. I hate seeing people deceived and I hate seeing deceivers lead people, who don't know any better, into a lie that could cost them their life. Well I pray that God blesses you guys and Jesus saves you :) I hope to see you all in heaven :)

Bruce Atkinson #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

The whole issue of homosexuality is deliberately rigged in God's favor. Just check out the scriptures:: Matthew 19:4-6 (defining marriage), Genesis 1-2 (defining the image of God as male and female), Genesis 18-19 (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13,
Deuteronomy 23:18, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Jude 1:7 refers to Genesis 19:1-11, the Sodom and Gomorrah incident. These scriptures condemn homosexual behavior as sin, even calling it an abomination that of course, without repentance and amendment of life, will keep you out of heaven. Additionally, there are many more scriptures that condemn sexual sin in general, which is defined as any sexual behavior outside of male-female marriage (this then must logically include homosexual behavior).

Chastity, sexual purity and sexual faithfulness in marriage are virtues valued highly all through the Bible. Their opposite is always condemned. I challenge dissenters to show me the scriptures which say that homosexuality is a good thing or even to be tolerated. They never can meet this challenge because such scriptures don’t exist. In order to maintain the heresy that committed homosexual relationships (and the sexual acts which accompany them) are not sin, a person must of necessity disbelieve and denigrate scripture. This means ignoring it, demeaning it, minimizing its authority, revising it, or re-interpreting it to fit one’s own point of view. This is because the scriptures are quite clear about sex being only right and holy within heterosexual marriage.

Joe Dallas #fundie #homophobia exodusglobalalliance.org

Responding to Pro-Gay Theology

Major denominations ordaining homosexuals, priests and clergy presiding over same-sex weddings, sanctuaries invaded by boisterous gay activists, debates over homosexuality ripping congregations apart-who would have guessed we would ever reach such a point in church history?

A vigorous debate between Christians and homosexuals shouldn't be surprising in and of itself. If author and commentator Dr. Dennis Praeger is right when he says the Judeo-Christian ethic is responsible for the Western World's disapproval of homosexuality,[1] then conflicts between the Church and the gay rights movement are not only understandable, they are inevitable. (While acceptance of homosexuality in ancient cultures is well documented,[2] the past 2000 years of Western thought have, by and large, rejected it,[3] and the influence of both Old and New Testaments can be credited for that.)[4]

What is surprising, though, is the current trend in which these ethics are not only being challenged, but rewritten as well, most notably in the form of the pro-gay theology.

The pro-gay theology is much like the broader gay rights philosophy, in that it seeks legitimization (not just tolerance) of homosexuality. Gay spokesmen have made no secret of this as being their goal in secular culture; activist Jeff Levi put it plainly to the National Press Club during the 1987 Gay Rights March on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right-as heterosexual Americans already have-to see government and society affirm our lives. Until our relationships are recognized in the law-in tax laws and government programs to affirm our relationships, then we will not have achieved equality in American society.[5]"

But pro-gay theology takes it a step further by redefining homosexuality as being God-ordained and morally permissible:

"I have learned to accept and even celebrate my sexual orientation as another of God's good gifts." -gay author Mel White[6]

When God is reputed to sanction what He has already clearly forbidden, then a religious travesty is being played out, and boldly. Confronting it is necessary because it (the pro-gay theology) asks us to confirm professing Christians in their sin, when we are Biblically commanded to do just the opposite. As Christ's ambassadors on earth, we unfaithfully represent Him if a professing believer's ongoing sin has no effect on our relationship with that believer...which is, in essence, what Paul told the Thessalonians:

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. (2 Thes 3:6, 14- 15)

Likewise, when Paul heard of a Corinthian church member's incestuous relationship with his stepmother, he ordered the man be excommunicated (1 Cor 5:1-5), then explained the principle of confrontation and, if necessary, expulsion from the community of believers:

Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast. (1 Cor 5:6-7)

A healthy body purges itself of impurities; the Body of Christ cannot afford to do less. Error, like leaven, has a toxic effect.

The pro-gay theology is a strong delusion-a seductive accommodation tailor-made to suit the Christian who struggles against homosexual temptations and is considering a compromise. Some who call themselves gay Christians may be truly deceived into accepting it; others might be in simple rebellion. What compels them to believe a lie we cannot say. What we can say is that they are wrong...dead wrong.

But even as we say so, the caution of a proper spirit is in order. When we answer the pro-gay theology, we do so as sinners approaching other sinners, nothing more. Rev. Andrew Aquino of the Columbus Baptist Association expressed it perfectly during a recent interview:

My message to the homosexual is: We love you. Come and struggle with us against sin. Don't give in to it.

The Pro-Gay Theology in Brief

Exactly what do the "gay Christians" believe, and how did they come to believe it? The first question is more easily answered than the second. Explaining what a group believes is not hard. Explaining how they have come to believe it is another matter.

We cannot read minds or motives. That, I am sure, is one reason Jesus warned against judging (Mt 7:1). We can be certain the teachings themselves are false; why people have accepted them is something we cannot prove one way or another. Yet the Bible offers clues, and testimonies from members of the gay Christian movement are also enlightening, in helping to understand what the gay Christian movement believes, and what personal and spiritual factors may have influenced their beliefs.

The pro-gay theology is the cornerstone of the "gay Christian" movement (which is comprised of whole denominations, like the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, as well as gay caucuses within mainline denominations) just as the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds are the foundation of most Protestant's beliefs.[8] The movement is diverse; some of its spokespersons-Episcopal Priest Robert Williams and Bishop John Shelby Spong, for instance -promote flamboyant and blatantly heretical ideas. But most groups within the gay Christian movement ostensibly subscribe to traditional theology. (The Statement of Faith of the Metropolitan Community Churches, for example, is based on the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.)[9]

Although the pro-gay theology claims a conservative theological base, it includes additions and revisions to basic, traditional ethics. First, homosexuality is seen as being God ordained. As such, it's viewed as being on par with heterosexuality. Gay author Mel White points out, quite accurately, that "if you don't see that premise (that God created homosexuality) then gay marriage looks ridiculous, if not insane."[10]

But to be seen as created by God, the traditional understanding of homosexuality needs to be discredited. This is done four basic ways within the "gay Christian" movement. First, prejudice against homosexuals is blamed for the understanding most Christians have of the Biblical references to it. The founder of the Metropolitan Community Churches, Rev. Troy Perry, asserts this is his writings:

To condemn homosexuals, many denominations have intentionally misread and misinterpreted their Bibles to please their own personal preferences.[11]

So, according to Perry and others, not only are most Christians wrong about homosexuality, but many or most are intentionally wrong- deliberately reading their prejudice against gays into the Bible.

White goes even further, stating that major leaders in the Christian community-Jerry Falwell, James Kennedy and Pat Robertson-take public stands against the gay rights movement for the sake of raising funds and increasing their visibility.[12]

Casting doubt on the motives of conservative leaders, and numerous denominations, makes it easier to discount their Bible-based objections to homosexuality. No wonder this tactic is so common in the "gay Christian" movement. Others within the movement contend the scriptures we understand to condemn homosexuality have actually been mistranslated. According to this view, the Bible should be taken literally in its original language; the problem with most Christians, they say, is that they don't know Biblical Greek and Hebrew well enough to realize our modern translations on homosexuality are all wrong.

Another claim pro-gay theorists make is that the Bible verses (Lev 18:22 and 20:13; Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:9-10) which seem to prohibit homosexuality have actually been yanked out of context from their original meaning, or that they only applied to the culture existing at the time they were written. (Professor Robin Scroogs of Union Theological Seminary, for example, claims, "Biblical judgments about homosexuality are not relevant to today's debate."[13])

These arguments do not sit well with most serious Christians. The scriptures mentioned earlier are so clear and specific they defy interpretation of any sort. "Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman" requires no more interpretation than "Thou shalt not kill." It is intellectually dishonest to say conservatives "interpret" such verses out of prejudice against homosexuals. Those same "prejudiced" conservatives (Falwell, Kennedy, Robertson et al) also take scriptures against heterosexual sins quite literally. If they only prohibit homosexuality out of their own prejudice, why on earth do they, as heterosexuals, also condemn heterosexual sins? The argument makes no sense.

Neither does the "mistranslation" argument. We can allow some discrepancy in minor areas of translation, but, on something as important as sexual ethics, are we really to believe the Bible translators we rely on got it wrong five different times, in two different testaments? And only on the scriptures regarding homosexuality? (Pro-gay apologists seem to have no problem with the other scriptures condemning sins like adultery and child abuse.)

Equally poor is the "out-of-context" argument. The fact is, in Leviticus, Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, homosexuality is mentioned in the context of sexual and immoral behavior! The context is quite clear-a variety of behaviors are prohibited; homosexuality-along with adultery, fornication and idolatry-is one of them.

The "cultural" argument fares no better. In some cases, a scripture may seem culturally bound (injunctions against long hair on men, or women speaking to their husbands during church.) But again-five times? Five different scriptures, from both testaments, addressed to highly different cultures (from the Hebrew to the Roman) are obviously not culturally bound. The cultures they address are just too different.

All of which leaves conservatives highly skeptical of the "gay Christian" movement's claim to respect Biblical authority. It takes mental gymnastics to accept these inadequate arguments; those not having a stake in accepting them are unlikely to do so. But those having a personal interest the pro-gay theology are another matter. Twist the Scriptures hard enough and you can make them appear to say anything you please. Author Paul Morris raises this very issue when he warns:

But if I were a Christian homosexual, I think this one question would disturb me most: Am I trying to interpret Scripture in the light of my proclivity; or should I interpret my proclivity in the light of Scripture?[14]

An unfortunate pattern of doing the former can be seen in the "gay Christian" movement's testimonials. Rev. Troy Perry writes about having already decided homosexuality was acceptable, then searching the Bible to equip himself to answer conservatives.[15] Mel White alludes, in his book, to some earlier studies of the destruction of Sodom[16] but his turning point seems to have come not from a careful, prayerful study of scripture, but from a psychologist who encouraged him to accept his homosexuality and find a lover![17] And gospel musician Marsha Stevens (composer of the beloved song "For Those Tears I Died" and now openly lesbian) gives a lengthy account of her acceptance of homosexuality without once explaining how she reached the point of believing homosexuality was scripturally acceptable. (The closest she comes is in telling how she prayed one night for confirmation that lesbianism was okay; the next morning someone gave her a pin saying "Born Again Lesbian.")[18] Considering the background and theological training of the above-mentioned believers in pro-gay theology, their acceptance of it is astounding.

Or maybe it is not. Paul predicts an abandonment of truth for the sake of personal fulfillment:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2 Tim 4:3-4)

Self over truth, man over God-can a Christian be so deceived? Evidently- Paul referred to the Galatian church as having been "bewitched" (Gal 3:1), and Jesus warned that a prominent sign of the days before His coming would be an increase in deception (Mt 24:14). To confront the pro-gay theology, then, is to confront a deceptive element of our time- the tendency to subjugate objective truth to subjective experience.

That is one reason confrontation is not enough to change a heart. Being knowledgeable enough to dismantle all the "gay Christian" movement's claims will not be enough to persuade a homosexual to repent. The heart, having been hardened through deception or rebellion or both, has to be softened. And that is the work of God alone. Ours is to simply speak the truth, trusting Him to quicken it to our hearers.

To that end, this three-part series will address the pro-gay theology by dividing its arguments-or tenants-into three categories: social justice arguments, general religious arguments, and scriptural arguments. A brief description of these arguments will be provided, followed by a response/rebuttal to each.

FamiliarFace #homophobia freerepublic.com

There is no homosexual gene. Let me repeat myself. There is no homosexual gene.

If there were, by simple mathematics, there would be no or very, very few gays remaining.

Think about it. Before the in vitro age, gays would only pass on their gay genes via heterosexual intercourse. So if they only desired their same sex, they wouldn’t have any progeny. So fewer and fewer “born that way” gays would be around. If gays were “born that way”, we would be seeing “gayness” less frequently, not more.

Being gay is a choice, even if it is a choice borne of abuse.

Savagesusie #fundie #wingnut #homophobia freerepublic.com

They are one and the same. Both are irrational, vile behaviors and irrational ideology which uses others as a means to an end and is a collective, group-(non)-think, ideology where Truth (God/reality) and reason never exist.

That homosexuals “love” the people whom they desire to sodomize is the Big Lie. It is lust and desire to dominate (control). It is a perverted, warped vile desire (intrinsically disordered) which is caused because of child abuse and child neglect. All behaviors/desires are learned and habituated and trauma in childhood can really warp a child. Children in muslim cultures are severely traumatized, as are sexually abused children and those whom have no loving father figure or an evil mother.

Chastity Bono was raped by a lesbian as a child, as was Milk, Hays, Spacey, Milo, etc. etc. -—all behaviors are learned and habituated in childhood or perverted and warped because of neglect and abuse. The parent who allows the abuse to happen, loses all trust and the anger in a child will make them reject reality, Truth (God), etc. They hate and ability to “love” is warped completely. It is easy to emasculate little boys.

Warping children can be as simple as making little boys hate their fathers which is common for socialist (welfare) “mothers”. That natural need to connect to a male role model for little boys is severely warped and will lead to warped relationship with all males, as it is for girls who have no loving male role model (father). Destroying the Natural family was crucial to the Cultural Marxists who took over our institutions by the 50s—to collapse culture and destroy the virtue in children—so they will be warped.

The fixation in the puerile stage of latency is pure narcissism which is what homosexuality is—a fixation so that true love (selflessness) will not likely occur (the love of “the Other”—true diversity).

Islam is irrational, also, and sodomy is fine in islam, esp. with children. It is a homosexual culture and harems of boys are not abnormal. For procreation, they never allow the irrational concept of “homosexual” “marriage” since males learn to hate women anyhow, and visa versa, which is what homosexuality is all about—immaturity—the inability to love the Other.

Homosexuals love the Same which is always a fixation in latency. All little girls should prefer to play with girls and boys with boys. It is part of normal sexual identity formation which will lead to maturity if no trauma occurs (sex “ed” or rape or lack of loving role models of male and female).

Sex Ed now teaches little boys that they are homosexual in latency if they prefer boys over girls which warps their sexual identity.....as does ALL hyper sexualization of children. Sex Ed was a Lukacs/Adorno creation to destroy the Christian worldview in little children and fixate them in the latency stage and make them totally irrational, dumb, and immature (fixated in latency).

Immaturity is rampant in our culture now, because of the publik skool system which traps children in dependency and group (non) think for 12 years so maturity can never happen (thinking for self). Just programmed “bots” are what the evil, unconstitutional system pumps out.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

I was curious when I saw a show called “American Dad” in the list of the worst shows on TV. FOX TV runs episodes of this program regularly. This particular episode is titled, “Toy Whorey.” In this episode a brother and sister are shown in bed together. The sister is sticking a thermometer in her brother's rear-end. When the father decides to take away his son's toys, the son pulls a gun on his father and shoots him. The father is mugged in the boy's room and then the father crawls out all fours, whimpering like a dog. Next, the father tells the son that he's taking him to a whore-house in Mexico for sex. After leaving three unsatisfactory brothels, the father expresses his frustration by saying that he really wanted to watch his son have sex with a prostitute. Then they meet a Mexican drug-cartel and relish in smelling each other flatulence. The show even mocks fathers by saying, “American dad cares!” The jerks behind the program series know that American dads in fact, DON'T CARE, and that's the big problem in America!

I was socked. I didn't realize how sicko, immoral and bad television has become. I've never really been a TV buff, but in just the few years that I haven't watched any TV it has changed 10,000%!!! I don't recognize one show on TV today. I'm happy about that. You can have the television, I don't need it. I'll spend my spare time learning, making music and working hard to build my ministry for the Lord. FOX features programs about serial killers, sex-perversion, you name it. No wonder America is getting worse and worse!

In another episode of American Dad called “Finger Lenting Good,” there's too much perversion to mention. A decrepit old man has a necklace of cut-off fingers around his neck. The old creepy man say he went on a sex-tour to Vietnam two years ago. While there he started cutting-off and collecting people's fingers. The old man says that he has installed cameras around the home, but didn't put any in the tampons. The saddest part of all is how many Americans flock to watch this sick-minded garbage. Tens-of-millions of viewers watch this garbage!!!

Show creator Seth MacFarlane is a professed, arrogant, defiant, atheist. Bill Maher recently invited Seth MacFarlane onto his show and they both rejoiced as atheists against God and the Bible. MacFarlane is also a staunch supporter of gay-rights. In recognition of “his active, passionate commitment to Humanist values, and his fearless support of equal marriage rights and other social justice issues,” MacFarlane was named the “Harvard Humanist Of The Year” in 2011. MacFarlane is also the biggest loser in God's view. It's important for my web visitors to realize that atheism and every form of wickedness go hand-in-hand. You won't find God in the booze-infested taverns. You won't find God in the adulterous nightclubs. You won't find the God of the Bible in the life of a homosexual.

When I first saw an episode of American Dad!, I knew that MacFarlane was far from God, and I was correct. MacFarlane denies God's existence altogether, which explains why he can produce such evil works like “American Dad!” The show mocks God and makes fun of Christianity regularly, as to be expected. It shouldn't come as a surprise that an atheist would be an active supporter of homosexuality.

David J. Stewart #fundie #wingnut #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

The Communist Agenda of Gay Rights and Evolution

I did some research on singer Taylor Swift, and of the 350,000,000 souls in America, I am the ONLY person who exposes this rotten satanic filth. Am I the only one who notices and get angry over this demonic attack against our youth? It would seem so. Kindly, Taylor Swift has sold her soul for fame and fortune, but her day of reckoning before God almighty is coming!!! Life is short and she cannot take one penny of her $280,000,000 with her into eternity. Truly, Miss Swift is one of the poorest of the damned rich who know not God in history.

To no surprise, when I uploaded my article exposing Taylor Swift's satanism, which is the truth, a false rumor was started (no doubt by her handlers) that she was a high priestess in Anton LaVey's Church of Satan. The reason obviously is to hide the truth of my article. This Church of Satan rumor about Miss Swift has never been verified, so it ought not be taken as credible. However, the music video screenshot in this article I wrote speaks 1,000 words and is satanic to the core, showing that Taylor Swift is clearly fulfilling the agenda of the Luciferian elite to corrupt our youth. Why you say? It is to destroy the Old World Order (family values, faith in God, national patriotism, individuality and morality) and build a New World Order (i.e., the Beast system of the coming Antichrist, the man of sin). Only an ungodly, immoral, senseless people will embrace the man of sin when he comes (which I believe to be quite soon). Any honest observer, who has been around long enough to witness the changes, knows that the whole world is gradually moving toward apostasy (a turning away from Biblical Christianity). Instead, a pagan religion of feel good, love everyone (it is a superficial fake love), sin all you want just so long as you don't hurt anybody (sin always hurt the innocent),

Homosexuality is confusion. Sexual immorality is a sin. God says it is confusion. Young people are being deliberately confused. If parents truly understood the sinister satanic agenda behind Walt Disney, they'd burn the place to the ground. The smut picture industry is a major business today. God hates dirty images. It is a sin to look upon the nakedness of the opposite sex, to whom you are not married. Our baby-murdering, arrogant, neighbor-destroying, God-cursing, ungodly society, scoffs at such high Biblical moral standards. Please don't misunderstand me. We ought not be unkind to those living in sin. However, we must never excuse, pardon or condone such wickedness! Homosexuality is a sin! God hates it! It is confusion. God created human beings male and female. Anything else is total confusion. As long as things are confused, Satan is happy and God is grieved. Anything outside of God's plan is confusion. We are are messed up in America. Europe is messed up! Australia is messed up! Africa is messed up! The world is messed up!

God is a God of order, not disorder! Evolutionists are having a hard time with the discovery of DNA. Why you say? It is because all DNA shows incredible order, and intelligent design, behind creation. Science cannot explain such a great mystery without an omnisapient (all-wise) and omnipotent (all-powerful) God. Ironically, the heathen world has been making many movies to suggest that human life began with aliens. Well, what do you think God is? God is extraterrestrial (not of this earth). I don't believe God is a little green man who travels around in a flying saucer, but by very definition, God is an alien. Could not God be an alien? Ask this question to the next professed atheist who believes in the possibility of alien life. The truth is that they just don't want to believe in a righteous God, because then they are accountable for the sins they commit against Him (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).

The perverted gender identity fraud plaguing America today is intended by Satan to confuse everyone, especially young people. But there is no controversy if you believe the Holy Bible. God created all humans either male or female (Genesis 1:27). It's that simple.

James A. Wilson #fundie #sexist #homophobia #forced-birth #kinkshaming conservatism.referata.com

[From the "About" page of the NTBC's official website (if you could call it official)]

[li]We believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is how the One True God is manifested. We reject any "oneness doctrine" and the "Jesus-only" movement as heretical.[/li]
[li]We reject any idols or any other gods, such as Allah, Buddha, Taylor Swift, and all these other Mormon "gods" and the false gods Jehovah's Witnesses worship.[/li]
[li]We accept the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only remission of sins, and no "hocus pocus" including "sacrificial" worship has any impact on grace.[/li]
[li]The world is in a fallen state, and anyone who desires to be saved must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior. We reject Universalism here.[/li]
[li]We believe in baptism by immersion only, and only to be done upon those who are of the age of reason. Baptism is a symbolic act showing the believer buried with Christ and cleansed of sins.[/li]
[li]Likewise, we reject any concept of "original sin" as Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant groups understand it, and thus reject baptismal regeneration and the baptism of infants.[/li]
[li]Men are to be the sole breadwinners, and women are to be in charge of domestic household affairs. This is godly naturally ordained gender roles.[/li]
[li]We believe that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, and that homosexuals cannot be saved since they are vile reprobate. They are damned eternally for being homosexuals.[/li]
[li]Abortion, capital punishment, physician assisted suicide, and other forms of killing are unequivocally condemned since God hath said "thou shalt not kill."[/li]
[li]Racism in all its forms are likewise unequivocally condemned by New Testament Baptist Church. All creatures are created in the image of God, and one's skin color is irrelevant to one's character.[/li]
[li]Modest attire that covers the entire body is required, and as such we do not accept the movement of men wearing shorts and women showing breasts and legs, for instance.[/li]
[li]All forms of secular music, television, film, and literature are to be treated with the utmost scrupulosity and to be cast out if offending material is found.[/li]

Bob Katter #fundie #homophobia pinknews.co.uk

An Australian MP has lashed out at gay people in a ridiculous rant, saying that “homosexual behaviour” from is responsible for suicides in the country.

Bob Katter, one of just four representatives who voted against Australia’s successful same-sex marriage bill just hours ago, also blamed LGBT people – who he said have only existed for a few decades – for murders. ? If that wasn’t enough, the Member for Kennedy in Queensland also accused gay people of killing children by donating infected blood.

Australian independent Bob Katter announces his decision to back opposition leader Tony Abbott to form government during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra on September 7, 2010. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard retained power by a tiny, one-seat majority after winning the backing of two key independent MPs in the first hung parliament in decades. Katter, who has previously compared equal marriage to being eaten by a crocodile, sparked outrage with the rambling tirade, both in the House of Representatives and online.

During his rant, the anti-gay politician said: “The people advocating this proposition tonight, the LGBTIs, have maybe 60 years on their side. “I have 3.5 million years of genetic programming on my side, because we human beings, they tell us, have been around for 3.5 million years. “One thing that is absolutely certain is that we’ve all developed from heterosexual couples.”

Katter, who has claimed that homosexual people stole the word ‘gay,’ added that “this country continuously has the highest male juvenile suicide rates in the world”. But rather than back that statement up with statistics, Katter blamed – you guessed it – gay people.

“There is something going wrong here. We have an extraordinary incidence of homosexual behaviour in Australia compared with other nations, and I think the people who have been speaking for this bill would agree with me on that,” he said. After mentioning two murder cases involving only gay people, Katter made the absurd conclusion that these kind of homicides were scientifically more likely.

“There’s no doubt there is a DNA thing there, and some people can handle it but a lot of people can’t,” he told the chamber, before implying that there was a gay conspiracy. “There is a very, very ugly side to this, where the curtain comes down and we’re not allowed to talk about it,” said Katter.

Another LGBT conspiracy, he suggested, was that gay people had killed children by giving them infected blood. “They wanted equality in the giving of blood. “They said, ‘We as homosexuals have a right to give blood,’ so they did, and I think 72 children were injected with AIDS from the blood that was given. “It was hushed up,” he told his fellow lawmakers.

Katter also repeated the ridiculous argument put forward by the defeated No side ever since the postal vote began in September, namely that boys would be forced to wear traditionally female clothing. “If you want to make a young lad between the age of nine or 10 and 15 go to school wearing a dress, you’ll seriously mess with his head,” he said. The politician asked: “Do you think seriously that the LGBT group are going to stop here?”

It doesn’t seem that they will. After all, progress is neverending. Near the end of his speech, Liberal member Christopher Pyne stood up to tell Katter: “Bobby, this is rubbish.” Can’t argue with that.

CSaguaro #fundie #homophobia #quack en.wikipedia.org

I changed from homosexuality through Aesthetic Realism and I know that it has always been for justice and full civil rights for all people, including homosexuals. If, for example, men and women have the right to change their sex (and they should have that right), shouldn't there also be the right to change one's sexual preference, if that is what a person wants?

Joe Dallas #fundie #homophobia equip.org

The recent tragic rash of suicides among homosexual teens, who’d been bullied by classmates and peers, has raised the question of whether Christian teaching about homosexuality inspires bullying and violence against homosexuals. Although no evidence suggests that religious teaching inspired the suicide incidents, and no evidence indicates that Christian teaching influenced the youths who bullied the homosexual teens, a number of celebrity figures have nonetheless accused pastors and Christian leaders of inspiring teens to bully gays. Because this accusation has been repeated often, and through popular media outlets, a number of people seem to believe that biblical teaching on human sexuality inspires some unstable teens to mistreat homosexuals.

These accusations can be rebutted by examining the incidents themselves, the known religious affiliations of all parties involved, the lack of cause and effect links in these cases, and what polls have to say about what does and does not influence modern teens. But it’s also essential that we examine ourselves and our rhetoric, to make certain that our message to homosexuals, and indeed to all people, is biblically balanced, clear, and respectful.

[...]

The answer, of course, takes us back to the basics. Because when it’s all been said and done, the right response to the homosexual movement, population, and individual can be found in three simple steps: We can know the Word of God, seek the Heart of God, and express both the Word and Heart of God to the homosexual. If we resolve to do this, diligently and consistently, we cannot fail.

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