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( SayNoToTRAs )
What are your thoughts on socialism/communism?

I believe the gender movement is heavily linked to capitalism, and part of the reason it's being pushed so hard in the US in particular is because of our ultra capitalist system. It's making thousands of people dependent on big pharma companies for the rest of their lives, and TiMs also boost capitalism by buying unnecessary products to aid their transition.

[...]

Thus, I believe, if implemented correctly, socialism could be a benefit to women, and would have less of a place for gender ideology.

( Kestrel )
I've gone from being against capitalism to actually against industrial civilization entirely, one book at a time. As Derrick Jensen says, this way of life cannot last, and it would better for more of the planet to be left than less. In the more immediate perspective I lean socialist, but it's not like I'm very politically active.

( Escapedacult )
Honestly I just do not have enough knowledge to comment on what would be better for women..but I wanted to point out that I too think gender stuff is heavily linked to capitalism....not just consumerism but the 'constant growth' mindset too... ideology is something that seems to evolve over time. Sometimes for good and sometimes for worse. [...]

Anyway, the crazy capitalism/consumerism link to grnddr ideology is interesting to me, since so many of those with gender identifiers also preach about how awful capitalism is. And sometimes even put "communist" or "socialist" right front and center of thir personalities right behind their gender...it is just so ironic, hypocritical, confusing? The disconnect is so insane to me....

( sarstan )
Socialism, sure. Communism, NO. I just finished the Gulag Archipelago and Masha Gessen's the Future is History and am reading (audiobook tho) Anne Applebaum's Iron Curtain about the non-Russian eastern European countries post WWII. I also recently finished "First They Killed My Father" about Cambodia's revolution. I am reading these types of books because the gender stuff reminds me of other authoritarian or totalitarian regimes in history, especially the compelled language, the newspeak, the vitriol towards dissenters, the lies and absurdity etc. The parallels are quite scary.

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various commenters #transphobia #kinkshaming ovarit.com

RE: Trans is a red flag for domestic abuse.

( TheEthicalHedonist )
I would think many paraphilias correlate with abuse and trans is simply the latest in a long line of methods men use to abuse women. Part of what brought me to this movement was recognizing the scary similarities between the things said to me by my abusive ex-husband (BDSM paraphilia) and the TRAs.

( Calliope )
I think you're correct. It's not just AGP or transness, it's so many kinks, fetishes, paraphilias.

Editing to add: Most of these men have more than one gross kink or fetish. It seems pretty rare to find an AGP with only AGP.

( Luckystar )
I feel like trans fetish (sissy, crossdressing, shemale, whatever they wanna call it) is on the rise too. I saw a Pornhub infographic series of the year's trends and "transgender" was all over the top search hits for various demographics. I'm not exactly a porn trends expert but I don't remember that really being a thing even 10 or so years ago

( RuneOwl )
Trans ideology is really attractive to all sorts of sociopathic men, from incels to neo Nazis to pedophiles. And of course, they’re all entitled misogynists who deeply resent women and want to control us. This isn’t the least bit surprising.

They’re not even safe from each other. I knew a couple who are both TIMs—one was extremely financially and emotionally abusive towards the other, then cheated and left him for another TIM. I have never seen one in what seems like a healthy normal romantic relationship, and the trans community at large is full of infighting and unhinged toxicity. They absolutely are a mob of abusive people.

( CheshireBat )

Something startling I realized today is at probably around 40-50%% of the women I've dealt with in that capacity have revealed that their abuser is transing themselves, or has participating in cross dressing in a sexual context, or has stolen their underwear and been caught wearing it.

JFC. Is AGP just inherent to the male condition at this point???

( RuneOwl )
I honestly think the Y chromosome is a disability. I’m not even saying that in a glib “lol misandry” sort of way, I am convinced men are prone to self-destruction and overall degeneracy on a fundamental, genetic level.

I’d feel sorry for them if women weren’t always the collateral damage.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: How would you feel about TIFs using the women's restroom?

( Tiramisuomi )
They are women and they belong there. However, if they have made such alterations to themselves that they look like men, they should be prepared for questions and women being uncomfortable - their voice usually gives it away, anyway.

( Greatlakeshotdish )
Forcing TIFS to use the men's restroom would result in violence and discrimination against butch lesbians and any other women who don't perform femininity. Bathroom use should be sex-based, nothing else

( vulvapeople )
At least with bathrooms, I'm in favor of the implied gentlemen's agreement that existed before captured governments started mandating that women tolerate men in our spaces. In the past, a TIM would only enter if he felt he passed. If he was questioned, it was incumbent on him to leave and not return. I think this worked somewhat well in that it left it in women's hands to tell men to GTFO or ask security to do so.

Although, truth be told, I'm not sure if that would work today thanks to greater trans awareness. Women who don't buy into trans identity now have reason to question male-appearing users of the restrooms (whether women or TIMs) while, in the past, they would have been more likely to extend the benefit of the doubt.

So it likely would have to come down to sex in order to protect women and have accurate government documents to show when there's a dispute. Too bad, so sad for TIMs who could have flown under the radar 40 years ago, but, as far as I'm concerned, this outcome is their fault.

( DietCokeAddict )
I’m fine with it. If I have to share a bathroom with either a woman on steroids, or a man in a wig, I’ll pick the woman every time no matter what she looks like.

( opreroma )
I don't want trans anything in the bathroom, because trans shouldn't exist.

The TIF is certainly safer with the women, but depending on how well the TIF passes, why should the women be subjected to that shock?

( Galko )
TiF should use the female bathrooms for their own safety. As for the imaginary panic, the hips don't lie. IRL, nobody passes. Look at Ellen and all the money she's spent on cosmetic procedures. Also, at least in my limited experience, the TiF know why we want sex separated spaces. They just think they've beat the system, not destroy it like the men do.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"Live and let live"
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( a-witch-a-broad )
"Live and let live" doesn't work when one group is actively trying to destroy the rights of another group.

( iCONIC )
"Live and let live" brings with it total individuality. Community for TRAs has been a collection of individuals acting in self-interest and displaying lack of consideration for the feelings of women and gay people

They don't stop and ask, "may I ...?" or "are you okay with that?"

And they don't take "no" for an answer

That doesn't work, ever

( danaseilhan )
Yes, "live and let live" cuts both ways. They're not living and letting us live, so.

( legopants )
Radical feminism isn't "transmed", but try again. I'm also so tired of people who think radical feminism = gender talk and ABSOLUTELY nothing else.

( songoftheworms )
Radical feminist: Right then, we're here to talk about the liberation and autonomy of women

Trans rights activist: When you said "women" surely you meant to add "especially trans women"

RF: That's gonna be a no from me dawg

TRA: How very dare? You must be a terf

RF: Trans women are "excluded" when we talk about women's liberation and autonomy because trans women aren't women, they're men. Whole ass plain old regular men

TRA: See?! Fascist nazi bigot terfs want people to think they're feminists but they only ever talk about how much they hate all trans people everywhere and want every single one of us to be violently exterminated from the face of the earth

( Carrots90 )

let trans people exist or however TF it was worded in this fake-assed, insta-crap post

We know you all exist. We’ve never wanted you not to live

We don’t want to be changing in a locker room when one of you pervs ‘trips’ and accidentally grabs a handful of our ass, or stumbles and accidentally lays a penis on our shoulder, or slips and wanks into our shampoo bottle, etc

( Lee-Side_ )
And be in the same hospital room as you, and watch you change in the locker room while exposing themselves, and take the top 3 of 5 positions in a women's sporting event, and take boardroom and bursary positions that were intended for women, and be incarcerated in women's prisons . . . Are you sure you want to "live" with that?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: They. Can. Choose.

( SakuraBlossoms )
If it's so dangerous in the men's locker room, how would turning the women's locker room into the men's locker room protect them?

The irony of fighting to allow any man to walk into the women's locker room is that the men who are apparently attacking gender non-conforming men can follow them into the women's locker room just as they can do to women. Notifying the authorities if you saw this suspicious behavior would of course render you a bigot.

( vulvapeople )
Some of the only bathroom attacks of TIMs that I've heard of involved a man taking exception to a TIM in the women's and beat him on that basis. I've never heard of a TIM being attacked in the men's.

( Positronic_waves )
They kinda are convinced men would want to fck them as if they were actually women. Delusions.

( Itzpapalotl )
Exactly. Nobody is forcing them to (attempt to) disguise their biological sex. They choose to live a life of deception. The whole “born this way” thing doesn’t fly since they are literally trying to emulate something they aren’t and chemically and surgically alter their natural body. It’s just BS stolen from LGB people, who actually are born the way they are.

( Cantstopthemachine77 )
Yup, just another LGB thing they’ve piggy backed on!

( Eava )
Has there ever been a reported case of a TIM assaulted in a men's room? Especially at work? If employers can make everyone state their pronouns, you'd think they could tell the men who work for them not to assault their colleagues.

( DoomedSibyl )
I’ve wondered about this too. Don’t you think if there was a case of assault of a TIM in the men’s room that the TRAs would be shouting it from the rooftops? Hourly? Makes me wonder if it is all nonsense about being in danger in the men’s room.

( Eava )
Exactly. I have seen multiple analysis of trans murders and not a single one is related to a TIM being in a male bathroom or locker room. [...]

( DoomedSibyl )
Is there any way that we could turn this fact to our advantage in terms of resistance and activism? That men in women’s spaces is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist? When the TRAs whine, force them to say it is really about being validated? Even just in conversation, can we start asking people to give an example of a TIM attacked in male spaces for being a TIM? It might make people think.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Tiramisuomi )
They. Can. Choose.
If it's so unsafe to use the men's locker room, they can remove all their bullshit and pass perfectly as men. Problem solved.

If that's soul-killing, they should try centuries of womanhood where many women have had to dress as men to survive.

And if it's that fucking awful and unsafe, what better motivator to get off their asses and build something for themselves rather than stealing from us?

( shewolfoffrance )
99% of what TiMs claim is "danger" is actually, at most, "discomfort." It's being correctly perceived as male, overhearing awkward comments about their bizarre appearance, or being denied entrance to female spaces. There was even a pair of TiMs in Halifax who claimed they felt "unsafe" merely because their local library stocked Irreversible Damage.

If they truly felt there was a "trans genocide" going on, they would only do ladyface in windowless rooms in the basements of their houses, in the middle of the night, when the family is out of town. And then they'd carefully wash and replace all the underwear they stole to wack off in.

As it is, they'll hop back into "boymode" for much less than life-threatening emergencies. Eddie Izzard is more than willing to take lucrative male screen roles. Sam Brinton will put on a suit for court. Numerous TiMs have strategically waited until their wife was pregnant to "come out."

( mathlover )
It's not about safety. It's about getting off on seeing themselves, and forcing others to see them, as "women". If it was really about safety, they would be fine with a third space only for them. They usually refuse to use available third spaces.

This is why we need to speak about them as men, which is what they are. It's not about "transwomen" or "transgender" people using womens spaces. It's about men. We have never had a public, national debate about whether or not men should be in womens prisons, locker/changing rooms, bathrooms, etc.

These men (however they "identify") belong in men's spaces. And men need to get used to that. The men will all have to sort it out among themselves.

( sarstan )
If it really was about safety, these men would have some respect for women’s concerns about safety.

( notsofreshfeeling )
Invading female spaces is easier, though, and more titillating.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Intelligent GNC female, bullied for her looks, on the spectrum showing signs/symptoms of burgeoning trans identity. Quelle surprise

( pennygadget )
I hate that she's too deep in the cult to see how this harms her climate change activism. How are we supposed to "believe the science" when these same activists who scream about climate change also say dumb shit like, "Some males have a magical girl soul that turns them into a real girl the moment they announce she/her pronouns" or "There’s no safety issue with letting penis people freely enter female spaces. And if you object to male rapists being locked in female prisons, you're a bigot who is literally trying to Holocaust the trans community"

( hmimperialtortie )
As a poster on that Twitter thread said - “Believe the science (that you agree with).”

( meranii )
Fighting sexism and outdated gender roles by declaring yourself trans/nb is like fighting climate change by moving somewhere where you think the weather's nicer.

( yikesforever )
i've never seen that trans symbol with the feminist symbol inside... very odd to see as a gender critical feminist where to me (us) it seems like gender identity and feminism are at odds with each other.

( Ladylucy )
It’s just one more thing TIPs are taking from women. Soon, all of our symbols will be theirs, and all of our heroines will be trans or non-binary. They are hellbent on erasing us.

( pennygadget )
Its yet another thing the gender-specials can't let us have to ourselves. They have to colonize everything

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Name a Human Right Dylan Mulvaney Lacks and I Will Give You a Million Dollars. From LGB United on Substack

( overanddone )
name a human right any trans person does not have. This is a red herring, claiming they are fighting for their rights.

They are fighting to co-opt women's rights to safety, security, dignity, personal liberty, privacy, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression.

( hmimperialtortie )
What TIMs want is unfettered access to women’s and children’s bodies. Rape being for all practical purposes legal isn’t enough for them.

( pennygadget )
Poor Dylan currently lacks the right to put women who mock him in front of a firing squad. Though I'm sure Biden is working on that....

( hmimperialtortie )
Yes, they don’t want “rights” so much as absolute power.

( Ginger )
A few years ago in his video about JK Rowling Contrapoints talked about how the conversation shouldn't be about "Trans rights" but "trans liberation" -- most likely because when you actually look at the "rights" they're fighting for, people would quickly realize these rights directly conflict with women's rights and basic children's safeguarding.

( salty-tomorrow )
Liberation from what though?

( RighteousIndignation )
The Law so they can go around beating up whatever woman they like, grooming kids, masturbating in public and anything else any one wants, Trans is a front for Anarchist it doesn't end with "smashing the gender boundaries" thats the beginning.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: WaPo article on "rise of LGBTQ+ hate" really pushing the limits
(submitters note: this article https://archive.vn/sO2ds )

( hmimperialtortie )
The QT are the ones who hate LGB people. They’re the ones doing conversion therapy. They’re the ones leeching from legitimate civil rights movements while doing their best to destroy them. They’re the ones pushing rape and paedophilia as their rights. Fuck yeah I hate them.

( RisingUp )

Since coming out [as a TIM], she said, she has already lost a job teaching swim lessons.

Oh boy. I bet there’s a story there.

( BondiBlue )
Oh that's right, there's also a TIM featured in this piece complaining about not "passing," in addition to the indigo children and the sex clown. No shit, you can't force the rest of the world to have eyesight de-assignment surgery.

Dear TQs and the rest of the parasitic alphabet: If you really want to talk pronouns, maybe the fact that you are so unlikable is "a you problem and not a me problem."

( Hollyhock )
For someone to fire a TiM, it has to be really, really bad. Everyone either tiptoes around them, praises them to high heaven or actively avoids them.

( vulvapeople )
I wonder if there’s some measure of sex-segregation going on, similar to the Port Townsend Y. And like the TIM in that incident, this one undoubtedly would want to be present while young girls changed into their swimsuits.

( hard_headed_woman )
Ugh. Teaching swimming often involves little children clinging to the teacher's body. It's just the way it is, and why I wanted women swim teachers for my kids decades ago. Now, I'm even more careful with my grandkids.

( sarstan )
Cisneros is literally just some random guy who likes glitter.

( BondiBlue )
I can't believe society has turned itself inside out and rewritten the language of objective reality just to appease scene kids.

( madderthanhell )
Scene kids like these are just a smokescreen for the re-writing of material reality, not the reason for it.

( Hollyhock )
My kids say the gender men tend to have poor hygiene...a good hair washing would be in order.

( RighteousIndignation )
well of course theres a rise in QWERTY+ hate, things do tend to go up when you keep adding more letters of the alphabet to the list.

( Omina_Sentenziosa )
And when your basic level of obnoxiousness rises exponentially.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( itsnotaboutewe )
Let's Make 2023 the Year of the Terf
Last New Year's Eve I made a resolution to be more actively involved in fighting the gender cult. I have always been an out and proud terf and have never shied away from debate, discussion, and even arguments about trans ideology but I had been spectacularly lazy when it came to letter writing, stickering, and other forms of activism, so this year I changed that. I stickered my little heart out, had several letters published in the local papers, emailed politicians and policy makers, and even phoned into Kellie-Jay Keen's Terf Talk Tuesday podcast. I have become braver in the last 12 months and I'm proud of myself for it.

I want 2023 to be the Year of the Terf. I want all of us to be a little braver and push our own comfort zones a bit in the fight against the TRAs. In that spirit, I have resolved that I will speak at one of KJK's Let Women Speak rallies when she comes to Australia in March. I am not someone who can speak in public easily and I even find it hard to speak to a small group of friendly people if they are all looking at me, so this is a huge challenge for me. I know I am not alone in wanting to do more for our cause, so what are you willing to do to help make 2023 the year the terfs win?

My New Year's resolution is for a women's revolution. Let's make 2023 the Year of the Terf.

( Blahdyblahdyblah )
Right there with you. Went mask-off on my socials yesterday for the first time. No more hiding how I feel.

( sailorvenus )
I used to be in the gender cult, but I've started pushing back in my own small ways.

"Chest feeding? You can't say that men don't have abortions and mean it in a general way anymore?" Small questions, but they're the ones that got me over to the Terf side.

I really want 2023 to be my TERF/improve yourself year. I want to learn coding and get more financially stable so I can donate to orgs that support actual women. Maybe someday if I get good enough I can make a crowdfunding site that is for biological women only. Fund their educations and their dreams. Women deserve it.

( lunamoth )
Much admiration for your willingness to push yourself out of your comfort zone and I wish you luck in your public speaking goals!

The pendulum is about to swing the other way. It has to. I wouldn’t be surprised if 2023 is indeed the year of the terf, or at least the start of an age of the terf ✊

pennygadget & softglow #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Kentucky senator's TIF daughter, 24, committed suicide. Blames it on laws protecting women's safe spaces and sex-based rights

( pennygadget )
If they need to blame anyone for their daughter's death,, they should be blaming the psychological institutions that push the narrative that suicide is inevitable if a trans person doesn't get everything that they want the moment they demand it. Actual therapists recognize how dangerous it is to treat suicide that way when it comes to other problems. But, when it comes to trans people, they're like, "Aiden, you know that trans people will immediately jump into traffic if they're misgendered, right?" or "If you can't get a T prescription, your dysphoria will metastasize and you'll have no choice but to kill yourself".

THIS is why these people end their lives. Their mental illness is exacerbated by a medical system that cares more about selling them services than helping them live functional lives!

( softglow )
TIMs hate TIFs, envy them for their comparative ease in passing, in getting lesbians, for their genitals (which they also hate them for squandering). They use TIFs for validation, for victimhood status when claiming female rape statistics, and piss their pants and shriek about transmisogyny, and how very dare any TIFs suggest that they might still be victim of actual misogyny from transwomen, who grew up with (this is the worst thing you can accuse them of, so remember it) MALE SOCIALIZATION.

There's so many reasons why a TIF might kill herself, but I refuse to believe that the constant toxic demands that TIMs make on them didn't play at least a small part here. I guarantee there's going to be some whispers between her friends about the ghoulish reaction transwomen will have, after they've seen how TIFs are treated by them, and god willing that will peak a few. It does happen, rare as it is; TIMs are so unpleasant that they can snap us out of our delusions sometimes, and if there's any silver lining to such an awful situation, I hope that's one.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Kentucky senator's TIF daughter, 24, committed suicide. Blames it on laws protecting women's safe spaces and sex-based rights

( no- )
I believe transitioning generates more dysphoria than not transitioning at all, because dysphoria is just the feeling of incongruence between reality and a TIP’s inner sense of self. The more you try to chase the pipe dream of changing sex, the more obvious it becomes that you can’t. Even passing TIPs are living a lie that’s very mentally taxing to maintain. The TIPs who are happy with their transition are so disconnected from reality they’re in a permanent state of delusion and magical thinking, which is not something worth aspiring to.

( dontdoxxmepal )
This 1000x over. Dysphoria is an ever jumping and escalating issue to the individual who experiences it

( Kevina )
Not sure if anyone looked at the pics, but this woman looks like a very average, gnc/butch/possibly lesbian woman. She doesnt read even a little bit male to me, I have several friends who look and dress alot like this woman. I also noticed the sister is a rabbi. I have no idea if this was a "trans the gay away" situation, but it's a shame that these kids are wasting their lives chasing the carrot on a stick that is trans instead of just accepting themselves and their sexed bodies and trying to get some kind of enjoyment out of life.

His final tweet was retweeting the words of his boss: 'State lawmakers have advanced an onslaught of anti-LGBTQ+ bills to restrict where and how we can freely and openly be our true selves.'

Except that's not at all what you're doing, and it's no wonder that what you are doing is negatively affecting your mental (and physical) health.

( itsnotaboutewe )
A woman who refused to accept herself as she was tried to force others to accept her as something she was not. She said she felt unsafe walking down the street because she feared people who didn't coddle her delusion, but her life was taken not by strangers who wouldn't accept her but by her own hands because she couldn't accept she was perfect just the way she was. Blaming suicide on anyone but the victim/perpetrator is disingenuous and prepetuates victim mentality. Shame on this mother for blaming strangers for her daughter's actions.

Maplefields & xy_equals_guy #interphobia ovarit.com

RE: Genuine conundrum about certain people with CAIS

( Maplefields )
Technically a man, but I wouldn’t have any problem with him in our facilities because socially he passes for a woman and was conditioned as a woman from birth. However, I would have a problem with him in female sports due to fairness.

Edit: This unfortunate CAIS individual shares some physical features with women, but women are more than just boobs and a vagina. Sex isn’t cosmetic. Men and women aren’t cosmetic. So many physical and developmental processes are different between men and women as a result of the evolutionary process to get humans to produce gametes. That’s why he’s not a woman to me. Despite having androgen insensitivity, every cell in his body is XY and he will need male (human) oriented health care. Human male = man.

( xy_equals_guy )
People with significant DSDs are not a problem, and are welcome into women's spaces as they have been raised female and lack the male "weapon". However, they are HUGELY over-represented in womens' sport, and even more so on medal podiums. This is deeply unfair and they have caused far more damage to women's sport than TIMs ever have. This is because a DSD male won a legal case in the 80's to be considered legally female in sport, then the floodgates opened and women's sport has been swarmed with testical carriers ever since.

No DSD male will ever be physically equivalent to females, even the CAIS ones. For example, even if CAIS males somehow had the exact same skeletal structure, collagen structure, lung capacity, heart size, increased red blood cells etc as equivalent XX females (and there's no proof that they do), they inherently lack the reproductive cycle of women. For example, progesterone and oestrogen both affect collagen and thus injury potential, and this is always changing in natal women. CAIS individuals never have this variation to adapt to and work around. They will never have the risk of motherhood to affect their athletic potential or end their career.

They can be honorary women, but their should never have imposed whatever male anatomy they have on women's sport. It is so unfair. Another blatant example is Brittany Griner, but we're not allowed to talk about it.

MiMi2013 , pennygadget & Kriegerin #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Kentucky senator's TIF daughter, 24, committed suicide. Blames it on laws protecting women's safe spaces and sex-based rights

( MiMi2013 )
I don't care.

This woman's suicide is being used as propaganda for full infiltration of trans people into places segregated by sex ; however irritating it is for men to have trans "men" foisted on them , they're in no danger from these females.

Trans woMEN, OTOH, are a danger to women : How many more incarcerated women have to be assaulted by criminals willing to self ID into their spaces-? How many more school children have to make themselves sick because they're unwilling to use unisex toilets-?How many more college students have fully intact trans "girls" invading their showers and locker rooms -? How many more allegedly 'public' places (including hospitals, gyms, store changing rooms or restrooms) have to be made de facto off limits to women, because of trans invasions-?

I care about the female victims of these policies, and I do not think this girl's suicide is such a big loss to the world as to make it the justification for a ceasing of the long overdue pushback on trans woMEN invasions. And I make no apologies for this stance.

( pennygadget )
[...]

It was an argument she also address to the senate in February - when she warned 'the world is coming after them,' referring to trans people like her son.

This melodramatic language helps no one. "The world is coming after them"? I hate to play Oppression Olympics, but if that was all it took to trigger suicide, 99% of the Jewish population would be dead via suicide. American slaves, Jews in Nazi Germany, and women in Afghanistan didn't have the suicide rate that trans people supposedly have. So framing a trans person's suicide as the result of oppression is both incorrect and a slap in the face to people who are actually marginalized

( Kriegerin )
Right? Women, Jewish people, black people, disabled people all suffer from actual oppression, yet their number one solution isn't killing themselves.

These are severely mentally ill people and instead of therapy we give them snake oil and mutilation, duh they're gonna kill themselves...

various commenters #interphobia #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: Genuine conundrum about certain people with CAIS

( Positronic_waves )
Sorry for this person, but I want to be kind to women. That means being unkind to men, rapists and in the very rare minority and some unfortunate souls with CAIS. If you never develop correctly as a man, it doesn't mean you are a woman. We are not a faulty male. Caster [Semenya] is a guy, who lived like a male except for competitions then he is a woman. I think natal sex is important, then puberty levels. If we have to exclude some CAIS people to let women win at something, we should do it. They say it never happens until they had 11 CAIS men winning womens athletics. When the difference is -10% of performance not being born a woman actually matters.

( Wokeuplate )
I think transgender and intersex are two different issues and the genderists, as per the uze, latch onto intersex as a way to stealth themselves into legitimate discourse, much the same as they did with LGB. It’s literally part of their playbook. Transgender is based on Gender Identity, which is an idiosyncratic, subjective belief system, unhinged from material reality. Intersex/DSD is a biologically based condition and has nothing to do with gendered souls or lady brains or myfeelz. The intersection between these two issues is competitive sports, where there can be male body advantages that accrue to CAIS people which have to be addressed in order to ensure fair play.

It’s really important when talking about transgender people to keep intersex as a separate topic. The recent debate with Colin Wright was frustrating in that he let very narrow examples relating to DSD be used as a proxy for TIMs. Since 99.98% of the world is not intersex of the type which gives rise to ambiguous genitalia and phenotype presentation, it is not useful to lump gender identity trans with DSD and say that they need to be addressed and accommodated similarly.

( FlorenceBlue )
IMO, still male. What we choose socially to do with that info is up for debate.

( viscerally )
Male, yes. But a woman still. In this extremely rare case, that in no way is similar to the case of trans women, I can confidently say that a male person can also be a woman - if she has the outer body of one and was brought up as one and would have always been believed to have been one of it weren’t for genetical testing.

( FlorenceBlue )
No such thing as male women.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: It is all so STUPID

( BondiBlue )
SO. MUCH. THIS.
I’ve been feeling so blackpilled about it that I’ve come to the conclusion humanity is just too goddamned stupid to be salvaged, and we would be better off if Putin just outright slammed the button. The ultimate in “cancel culture” x 8 billion. 10,000 years of evolutionary fact just thrown in the garbage like Dylan’s gross tampons, because “muh uwu oppwesshun feelz.” Just get it over and done with, and with any luck some other species won’t make the same dumbass mistakes.

( Itzpapalotl )
I cannot believe humans could be stupid enough to collectively deny proven facts just to cater to feelings. It’s absurd.

( Dee )
I lie awake about this far more often than I'd like. I am glad I've managed to protect my daughter enough that she never experienced sexual assault and figured out how dangerous men can be. When she soaks up internet-inspired ideas that women like JK Rowling who advocate for female-only spaces can only possibly be motivated by a hate for trans people, I guess I should be glad that she's so naive that she doesn't understand why those spaces are so needed. But there are times when I am haunted by the thought that I have somehow raised a misogynistic daughter. The thought that some of my children would grow up to be misogynists occurred to me when they were little, but I never thought it would be my daughter.

( Kriegerin )
Okay, does anybody else sometimes wake up from a weird and ominous dream and for a few split seconds think that the whole trans thing was part of this lucid fever dream? And then it dawns on you that it's real. Idk... It's just unreal how stupid it is. Fucking unreal.

( Itzpapalotl )
It is utterly dystopian.

Progress is not a consistently forward march. We fall into the trap of thinking we are constantly advancing.
[...]

If you’d have told people in the 50’s or 60’s that 50 or 60 years later people would be pretending men and women are identical, that acknowledging biology would have you ostracised and slandered...people would’ve laughed and said “don’t be so silly”

The tide will turn. This bizarro time frame won’t last much longer because it’s incompatible with reality. I hope in 10 years people look back and say “what the fuck were people smoking!?”

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: It is all so STUPID

( furyosa )
Not just incredibly stupid. It's also incredibly boring. We could be so much further along in the fight for women's emancipation but instead we're treading water with this nonsense.

( Itzpapalotl )
Exactly! Could be tackling period poverty, femicide, DV, sex trafficking, FGM, child marriage, abortion access...but instead men are muddying the waters, obscuring language, dismantling our rights, taking away what our foremothers fought for.

Ffs, first female crash test dummy was created this year iirc, yet we have men in dresses now pretending they are The Most Opressed EVER and demanding they be centred in feminism. I hate them.

Fuck them and their handmaidens. Feminism is for females and men can’t stand things not being all about them.

( Lilith-Fair )
Not just women's emancipation, but just about every other progress our society can spend its collective time on solving or improving if not for all the time and resources wasted on this totally stupid nonsense. Imagine if kids spend all the time figuring out what their real talents are instead of their "gender identities". All the time spent on "becoming their authentic self" gender could be spent on science projects, community service, writing a novel, perfecting a musical talent or playing an instrument, practicing and excelling at a sport. Kids could be investing their time on all of these things to make themselves and the future better. But no. Instead, they're being taught to think about their fucking pronouns and "gender".

( RawSienna )

Human beings cannot change sex. That is a fact. If you deny this then you are an imbecile who is colluding in gaslighting and abusing women and girls.

That’s really all that needs to be said. I’ll just add that “gender identity” is a fake, pseudoscientific ruse to shove”trans rights” down society’s throat. What “gender identity” really means is destroying women’s rights and child safeguarding so predatory, fetishist males can do whatever they want without restraint. It’s abhorrent and we will not accept it, ever.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

(note: responses to the post submitted here https://fstdt.com/TJG4N77K2M274 )
RE: Dear TRAs and Trans people, here’s what I think of you

( itsnotaboutewe )
I agree wholeheartedly.

This whole debacle went from "it's just one or two dysphoric men that pass as women so you won't even notice it" to "women don't exist so they have no right to single-sex spaces and we will take your kids and trans them against your will" in around 5 years. Every politician, writer, celebrity, lawmaker, social media influencer, and policy maker who helped force this destructive ideology through our society and our law courts should be banished forever from the public eye. They have shown how little critical thinking skills they have and how easily manipulated they are by bad actors selling cruel and devisive cults. They can never be trusted with power or influence again. This time will go down in history as the worst mind virus to hit the world since the dark ages of the witchcraft trials. I want their names and deeds etched in fucking stone in letters so big you can see them from space. I will never forget or forgive them. They deserve no mercy.

( RawSienna )
It’s a fig leaf for sex offenders. When you boil off the pseudo academic/scientific bullshit, what is left is men being able to prey on women and children sexually while at the same time muzzling and hobbling us legally and socially.

Fucking disgusting misogynistic perverts.

( spinningintelllect )
It's very hard not to hate them after interacting with them. There is nothing redeemable about this movement. I've never been on board with the trans, but it still somehow finds ways to disappoint me.

( Seven )
Yeah, I didn’t want to hate them. Really didn’t. But these people are EVIL. They are purely driven by profit (doctors, influencers), fetish or delusion. These people made me hurt SO BAD. So yeah, i do hate you now. And I hate you even more the minute you open your goddamn mouths in that nasally high pitched voice that is an offensive mockery of my own.

( Ooofffff )
Yep, also never wanted to hate. But knowing them and hearing them (and being yelled at by wokebros for saying I stand with JKR) resulted in hate.

Maplefields #transphobia ovarit.com

Dear TRAs and Trans people, here’s what I think of you

I just came back from reading a post from one of your subreddits (MtF) where one of your members asked your community what sex is compared to gender. All the replies peaked me again. Every time I listen to trans people, my opinion gets worse. I’m going to keep this as short as possible.

The first word I would describe you as is dangerous, followed by delusional, illogical, and anti science. And you’re a cult too.

[...]

You groom children to believe sex is changeable when it isn’t. You prey on the people with mental illnesses and the neurodivergent. Your ideology destroys lives.

[...]

Get your clown show away from us. We want a society with healthy, thriving children who will grow up into adults to the full potential of health allotted by the lottery of their genetics—as a BARE MINIMUM.

[...] It’s been barely a century since we’ve had women’s spaces, sports, scholarships all fought for by FEMINISTS, and you’ve eroded it. You narcissists just have to colonize anything that excludes you. Our spaces and programs don’t exist to validate your delusions.

I absolutely hate you. You’re a bunch of misogynists and pedophiles (drag queen story hour is some horror I never imagined I’d one day wake up to find in my public libraries—including that shop teacher, Kayla Lemieux, in Ontario traumatizing children with fetish gear balloon-breasts). And TRAs, you’re included too because transpeople wouldn’t have been able to get away with the destruction of our safeguards and mental health medical evaluations if you didn’t enable and green light it.

[...]

Edit 2: Your sex is determined by the evolutionary purpose to produce one of the two gametes, regardless if you manage to succeed in your lifetime. No matter how many of the small sex differences you mimic through medical intervention, YOU WILL NEVER TRANSITION SEXES. A man can’t transition into a woman, and a woman can’t transition into a man. Any physiological changes that occurred from hormones are the result of you artificially creating a hormone imbalance. Just like a woman suffering from PCOS will never be a man (and any less of a woman), neither will a woman shooting up on testosterone be a man, or a man shooting up on estrogen be a woman.

[...]

"A Penis is a Fucking Weapon" Award

Some classics never really fade away.

various commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: Men use their penises as literal weapons of war, but we should be fine with them in our spaces.

( femlez34 )
100%. TIMs will say, "well we're not 'men' so that doesn't apply to us", but then in the same breath will threaten feminists with rape to try and get them back in line. I don't think they even realize how much they do this, it's so ingrained in their DNA.

( pepperbeth )
We have to start waking up - sexual violence is a huge motivator for many men, maybe "not all men" but huge numbers. Some will say "oh rape is about sex" "oh rape is about power" but let's allow men some intersectional analysis - sexual power is highly arousing to men. Dominating and harming others is arousing to men. They will watch violence in porn, they will enact it in the bedroom, they will buy slave women to harm for their own orgasms, and they will rape women and children, including their own fucking brothers and sisters, and they become especially aroused and predatory when when war grants them opportunity to rape many vulnerable potential victims.

Do women get aroused by the suffering of others? Not even Aileen Wournos can rival the most average of prostitute-murdering men. The penis isn't the scary part, it's the whole goddamn man.

( Fluffy_gender )
Yes, that's why I find it ridiculous when people say "rape/sex abuse is not about sex, it's about power". Well, power is indeed very sexualized for men...

( Pointer )
Men do seem to have "rape software" pre-installed. Makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. They are actually able to maintain an erection and have an orgasm while penetrating someone who is screaming and crying in pain. It's crazy.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
Men are carrying loaded weapons at all times, and we're supposed to trust them completely and give them endless chances. It's fucking insane.

Edit: this is why self defense laws are such bullshit and deliberately harmful to women. We literally cannot act in self defense the way a man can. He can kill us with his bare hands in the heat of the moment, we cannot.

Fuck man, they literally kill us with their penises during violent rapes. There is no possibility of a woman killing a man using only her vulva/vagina, it's not the same act at all.

Trust no male, especially one that REALLY wants to violate your boundaries.

Arsuf1991 #transphobia ovarit.com

So I was discussing with a trans person (MTF) in florida and i asked him what caused him to transition and he straight up told me it was because he couldn't stand mens shorts during the summer as it was too long and he wanted to wear short shorts because he finds it more comfy and keeps him cool.

I'm like couldn't you do this without having to transition and larp as a woman? and hes like "well its not socially acceptable for men to wear it and i dont want to get made fun of so atleast if i transition id be more respected and people will see me as a regular girl wearing shorts". At this point i was just like, "if you lived in a colder country where no one wears shorts would you still have dysphoria" and hes like "not sure never really thought about that but to cope in this warm climate i need to transition".

So the weather fucking turns people dysphoric and trans at this point? Also notice how transgenderism basically affirms some social stereotypes that are sexist? like has he not seen the men of the 70s who wore short shorts?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( EvilTerfyTerf )
So how's everybody feeling about Greta Thunberg coming out as a TRA handmaiden
She didn't even tweet out a generic 'I love trans rights' slathered over the ugly flag. She retweeted that one transactivist bragging about shutting down the adult human female screening at Edinburgh university with a bunch of heart emojis.

Apparently it's 'believe the science' until men start claiming speshul women feelingz.

Suddenly I feel a lot less guilty about my carbon footprint and I feel a lot worse about criticizing my beloved Taylor Swift for her private jet trips this August. Burn the planet to the ground, my darling. At least once we're all dead, no woman will ever be subjugated under male supremacy again.

( klytaimestra )
[...]

Men can't be women – also a fact, but one Greta doesn't know and / or understand.

[...]

I am zero surprised about her stance on TRAs, and was pretty much waiting for this. It was obvious that she was going to struggle with womanhood. She had a fairly childish presentation of herself for a long time and taking that leap into becoming a woman and understanding what that entails was never going to be easy for her. Like for many young women, gender ideology offers a false hope that you can escape the abuses from patriarchy by choosing to believe in something else. If only it were that simple.

( Riothamus )
Is anyone surprised? Billionaires crafted this ideology to torpedo the Trust the Science(TM) parties all over the Western World.

You can't honestly expect people to believe you on scientific matters when you pretend to not know the difference between men and women.

( actualdyke )
let's be real, she always has been and always will be a shill for the corporate western media propaganda machine. we all know she simply regurgitates whatever party line she's spoonfed. this is completely unsurprising to me, the only surprising thing is that this is seemingly the first time she's bent over backwards for the TWAW cult.

also, sorry not sorry if this makes me a bad person, but this definitely makes me question the validity and legitimacy of her past activism. if you believe that men can be women and vice versa, how scientifically sound are your thoughts on climate change, actually?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What would you say to TIMs in person if retaliation & violence were not a threat?

( DurableBook )
I'd simply treat them the way I treat anybody else.

When a religious person expects me to share their belief in souls or God or whatever, I simply say "No thank you, I'm atheist." I would say the same about gender identities.

If a non-trans person acts out a sexist caricature, I say "Wow, that's sexist" and don't play along. The only reason I sometimes play along with trans identities is if I am concerned about reprisal for declining.

I happen to really like gender nonconformity and often am delighted to encounter people who, like me, do not "match" expectations for their sex. I have ceased expressing this, however, whenever I'm someplace that I know trans people tend to be around, because of their inevitable explosions at being recognized as their actual sex.

Etc.

( SaintHedwig )
Agreed. I want to tell them they're fine to wear dresses and makeup, but they're still men and should spend their efforts making the men's room a less dangerous place instead of trying to squeeze into the women's.

I'd also tell them that HRT will increase their erectile dysfunction on top of other health issues and will likely only increase their gender dysphoria because they're always going to look "off" no matter how many surgeries they get.

( Hollyhock )
Just stop. No one believes you're a woman. You're harming your body with off-label hormones and when women agree with you it's because they're either scared not to or they do it because they know you're a man and they need to suck up to you for social protections.

Grow up.

( CriminallyCritical )
I’d just make a look of disgust or maybe an audible noise of disgust.

( hmimperialtortie )
“You should have stuck to being an incel. Your chances of a sex life just got dramatically worse.”

( hontrapoints )
Ovarit is too polite of a place to say such things

( Committing_Tervery )
Ooooh I’m curious now 👀 ☕️ But I respect your desire to not disclose it. I’m sure it’s great though 😆

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What would you say to TIMs in person if retaliation & violence were not a threat?

( Itzpapalotl )
I would say: you are a selfish, misogynistic, entitled, narcissistic, colonising man with no empathy or regard for women. Your woman costume is offensive and an affront to every female on the planet.

What you do is the epitome of male privilege; to claim language, spaces, experiences that are not yours, to play out your fantasy with no consideration of women and girls who have no choice but to be second class citizens in a man’s world.

You are living in delusion, playing pretend, and making a mockery of womanhood. You are a man. You are putting on a performance of womanhood as imagined by you, a male. You have only and will only ever experience the world as a male, and to pretend otherwise is an appalling, disgusting slight against the very people you claim to “identify” as.

Honestly, fuck you. You are not a woman. You are not a sister, a mother, a grandmother, an aunt, a daughter, a niece. You are a man. You will only ever be a man. Worst of all, you are the most misogynistic, abusive, selfish and inhumane version of a man.

You know what you are doing hurts women and girls and yet you do it anyway because you only care about yourself. You are a terrible human being.

( mathlover )
That no actually believes they are women or could ever be women. That the only reason anyone goes along with it is out of fear because they are vindictive, mentally unstable, potentially violent men. That whenever anyone calls them "she" or "her" that they should hear he and him/his because that is what everyone means and believes about them. We only include them because we are forced to, but they are not welcome among us.

And, oh, yeah. Any woman - ALL women - who actually wants to be with any of them is bisexual or heterosexual. No lesbian will ever want any of them.

( hmimperialtortie )
If things were as they should be, there’d be no TIMs on the street or anywhere, but if I saw one, I’d want to call police on him for displaying fetishes, same as if he was flashing.

Edit for grammar

( LilOvaries )
"You will never be a woman, and Hell is going to make you jump rope with your saggy, outstretched scrotums".

( Alias_Rosie )
No one actually buys your deception. We're just playing along because you are, quite literally, pitiful.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Committing_Tervery )
What would you say to TIMs in person if retaliation & violence were not a threat?
I just had this thought, and am wondering your answers.

This is just stuff I might consider saying if I saw an AGP on the street and could walk by without being screamed at in response.

“Nice prostate, bro.”

“Man, it takes a lot of balls for a dude to go out in public looking like that.” 🤣🤣🤣

“Terfs are stunning & brave! 😌”

I know this is probably seen as “petty” by some, but I don’t care. Humor is a release and coping mechanism. And I don’t feel bad about fantasizing saying this shit to men who literally threaten to rape, torture, gas, and curb stomp us.

Edit:

“Wash your hair!”

“You’ll never be a woman/girl/female.”

“You’ll never look like an anime child.”

“Pervert!”

“Gross.”

( KittyWhawWhaw )
Leave women the fuck alone.

I don’t care what they think they are or what they want to do as long as it doesn’t harm others or try to police other people’s thoughts.

No one owes them validation for their delusions and usurping what we’ve accomplished.

( Hollyhock )
That first line is always my first thought. I still have a 'live and let live' mentality for most people. But, just LEAVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN ALONE. Like, go be your fetished self in your community or whatever. Make your own clubs, wear your shit to adult venues. I don't care. but leave us alone. stay out of spaces intended for women only.

( caraba1961 )
But how would you know that this particular person, a stranger you encountered on the street, was not leaving women the fuck alone? For that matter, how would you know what type of TIM he was, especially if his outfit wasn't too over the top? Doesn't seem fair to make that assumption just because someone's walking past you and isn't saying or doing anything to you or to anyone else. Now, if he were harassing a woman or being a complete asshat, it'd be different.

( Kriegerin )
Would you say the same about a man in blackface? "Maybe he's not mocking black people" uhmmmmmm

( danaseilhan )
He's literally pretending to be a woman. Until I see the "nice" ones publicly protesting gender policy en masse to reverse the damage done, IDGAF how "nice" they are.

( hmimperialtortie )
If he’s crossdressing in public he’s parading his fetish. That’s not leaving women alone, that’s making unconsenting women participants.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

No, trans people, you are not even close to being put in concentration camps. Stop fantasizing about being in the Holocaust.
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( suupersami )
So TIPs will disappear unless they're actively recruiting children?

( Carrots90 )
Hehe

Told on themselves didn’t they

( astroterf )
The detention camp: men’s bathrooms

( SulphuricMirror )
Maybe if transgenderism didn't latch itself to sex clown story hour for kids, start sterilizing literal children and operating on kids' primary and secondary sex characteristics under the age of 18, didn't find their "true selves" that they plaster all over social media by dressing up the way women are forced to in porn... maybe then people would not see them as inherently sexual. Just a guess.

( Apricot_Ibex )
That’s especially rich considering the infamous incel/Neo-Nazi/alt-right MRA to-“transbian” pipeline.

TIMs sound not too far off from the Nazis the way they talk about gay people and women and promote misogynistic, rigid gender roles. They want to erase same sex attraction and commit corrective rape and harass lesbians who won’t sleep with them. We’ve already seen that TIMs will murder lesbians (and their families) who won’t bow down to their insane demands (Dana Rivers).

They want to steamroll their way into women’s spaces, driving women to stay at home “where they belong” out of fear of male creeps. They constantly threaten women with violence, and assault feminists and LGB activists at peaceful protests.

Their stereotypes of women amount to porn and patriarchy and are no different from the submissive domestic bangmaid vision that the Nazis had (Kinder, Kueche, Kirche). The Nazis also seemed to have a sizable number of AGPs and men who loved crossdressing but hated women and gay people (in addition to being genocidal racist pieces of shit).

( carpetplaydohx2 )
Oh ffs, can't they switch to "boy mode" like they do other times they want to go "stealth"?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The Club Q shooter is going away for life no matter what. Hate crime charges wouldn't make a difference

( CryMeARiver )
Plenty of TIMs have raped and murdered women and children. None of the TRAs rushed to remove their trans status. So why was this person an exception? It's because they were actually ecstatic when this happened because they got to say, "see? we're the most victimized people in the world". They seized the opportunity to claim genocide and attack every right wing person they hate. They literally accused people of murder. After the shooter tried to identify into their group, a lot of these ghouls were left with egg on their faces. They're just trying to spin tales to cope and save face.

( pennygadget )
This! The TRAs were gleeful when this happened because they could finally have a legitimate claim to being victims of a mass hate crime. And they didn't even wait for the bodies to turn cold before blaming anyone who ever questioned their ideology of being personally responsible for this attack. Once this guy claimed gender-special status, it threw a wrench in their plans and they had to scramble to find an excuse why this person (and ONLY this person) lied about being trans for some personal benefit

( Carrots90 )
Because defending the narrative is important

Women and children are not

( SakuraBlossoms )

"He's claiming he's nonbinary to escape hate crime charges! He wants a reduced sentence!!!"

If it was a man claiming to be a woman to escape hate crime charges for murdering women, they'd have no problem with it. They'd call us slurs for not calling him his preferred pronouns. They fought for violent men to be able to claim to be anything they wanted. They achieved their goal and now they have regrets.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Colorado gay club shooter is NON-BINARY and uses they/ them pronouns, lawyer says - as it's revealed estranged father is MMA fighter and PORN STAR named 'Dick Delaware'

( overanddone )
Even if the they/them is faking non-binary to escape hate crime laws, we can use it. “You mean men might fake self-ID?” “You mean men might might fake it to get out of male wards/prisons?” “You mean men might fake it to win at women’s sports?”

Destroys the “this never happens”.

( pennygadget )
Now that self ID is finally hurting the TQs, maybe this shit will be curbed.

Then again, I wouldn't put it past them to take the L on this Club Q thing in order to stay the course on getting men like Dana Rivers into women's prisons. The TQs have no shame nor any sense of self reflection. They'll either do their best to bury this story or find a way to blame us TERFs for this guy faking NB status

( Hera )
I mean. This is literally what happens to our (LGB...and in this case, even the T) communities when we let delusional men run rampant without criticism. It's almost like incel hard right moid logic and delusional they/them I'm A Magic Gender D!e Terfs logic are the same thing painted in different colors hmmmmm...

( assignedpooratbirth )
Tempted to go back into LGBTQIACOLESLAW+ spaces and really push this one. Oh you HAVE to respect their gender and pronouns otherwise you are making your other nonbinary friends feel unsafe and disrespected! You don’t know their gender! You know all the TERFs are calling them a he, you’re a TERF if you don’t respect their gender — since having anything in common with GC women is the ultimate sin in TRA spaces.

( OneStarWolf )
Even if it is, it doesn’t matter. This highlights how stupid it is to integrate any form of self id or gender ideology into our laws. No one can prove whether he is lying or not, that’s the dogma, the essence of gender religion. “Believe who they say they are!”

It’s an ideological loophole and easily abused by men to the detriment of women and girls in particular. Males should never be put into female prisons, spaces, or sports because of exactly this problem.

Ginger & UndergroundLesbian #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TRAs enraged by their own arguments

( Ginger )
Funny how all the commenters talking about the shooter over on Reddit have no problems assuming his pronouns and calling him "he."

I guess the whole "aCsHtUaLlY... THEY use they/them pronouns. I know they're a monster, but if we misgender we're no better than them" song and dance ONLY applies when they target women.

( UndergroundLesbian )

guess the whole "aCsHtUaLlY... THEY use they/them pronouns. I know they're a monster, but if we misgender we're no better than them" song and dance ONLY applies when they target women.

Literally LMAO. Just look how they defended Chris Chan’s supposed identity as a trans lesbian, and would go haywire if you dared to use he/him when it came out that he raped his mother. Now they’re angry that the shooter is being associated with their side.

( Ginger )
"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?"

Good question. While we're on the topic, why would they attack and ostracize their own like Blaire White, Buck Angel, and any other trans-identifying person who dares to question the current brand of transideology?

"He's identifying as NB for less serious charges!"

But the woman-beating, kidnapping, groomer Ezra Miller is completely genuine though, right?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!"

Right, just like it's suspicious Liam Thomas came out after swimming right in the middle of his collegiate swim career. Seems like he KNEW he only had two more years left he could actually be competitive...

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!"

Again... Liam Thomas

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TRAs enraged by their own arguments
( Chronicity )
It’s the Ontario shop teacher dilemma all over again.

Take the guy at his word that he’s trans and you’re admitting that the priestly caste contains criminals, perverts, and nutcases who don’t deserve the priestly status your movement demands.

Refuse to take the guy at his word that he’s trans and you’re doing exactly what TERFs do: treating him like any other member of his sex regardless of his expressed identity.

What amazes me is that so many of them cannot see the catch 22 themselves. They are just reacting to the news without thinking any of it through. It’s a reminder that they don’t have the capacity to keep this con going for very long. Developments like this really put a strain on their cognitive defenses; it’s like they are in a progressively worsening immunocompromised state while the world keeps bombarding them with virulent pathogens. Days are numbered.

( urprettymuchnuthin )
I've been commenting on reddit how this guy is 'non-binary' and have been getting downvoted for no reason. They don't like having their beliefs challenged. It's like "the only real trans are the ones who don't cause problems for us"

Such hypocritical bs.

( rationalmind )
I hope you’re right that the days are numbered with this ideology.

( vulvapeople )

Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?

A TIM in Canada set fire to a pride flag several years ago. Homophobia is extremely common among TIPs, including the gay ones since they're trying to escape their sex and sexuality.

The arson was investigated as a hate crime until the police discovered a TIM did it.

( Itzpapalotl )
Their whole ideology is insanely homophobic. They hate the fact that same sex attracted people don’t want them, despite their special gender.

They seem to hate people who are happy with themselves in their natural state... LGB rights are about accepting people for who they are whereas the TQ is all about forcing people to pretend you are something you are not.

actualdyke , RawSienna & RisingUp #transphobia ovarit.com

( actualdyke )
TRAs enraged by their own arguments
After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology.

"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group?

"He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes?

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid?

And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are."

We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything.

The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

( RawSienna )
Watching these degenerates being held to the rules of their own incoherent playbook is satisfying. Nobody’s buying their bullshit, either.

The rhetoric in general since Musk took over is hitting a fever pitch. I think we’re witnessing the early parts of an extinction burst. They’ve lost narrative control and they are fucking desperate now.

( RisingUp )
I’m surprised so many people assume he’s trolling with the “nonbinary” shit, not just TRAs but even women on here.

Why is anyone making that assumption? I think unhinged violent TIMs are far more common than right wing homophobic hate crimes - my default assumption is that he sincerely regards himself as genderspecial.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

'Potential problem with self-ID'. Ya think?
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( overanddone )
Potential problem?

How many self-ID'd male prisoners are housed in female institutions as of now? And you "just" noticed the potential problem?

(only when it touches you, is it a problem, eh?)

( LOriginedumonde )
We need to quickly compile all of the evidence of men self IDing as trans and being moved to the women’s prison in a concise way. This is the perfect opportunity to bring awareness while everyone’s attention is on the topic.

( OwnLyingEyes )
Interesting that for all of their identifying as the most oppressed people ever, this person also clearly understands that declaring yourself trans after committing a crime can be used as a ploy to...receive lighter consequences (ie expect better treatment from the institutional justice system). Mask slip moment there, a lot like the TIMs who talk about how they drop the act and use their real voices when they feel threatened by other men, because they know it's safer to 'out' themselves as trans to a strange man than to be presumed a normal-ass woman.

( hmimperialtortie )
Not only get better treatment, but be handed more victims on a plate.

( BJ581 )
Except there is literally no information right now to suggest that this guy doesn’t legitimately believe he is non-binary or that this is some sort of defense strategy, other than wishful thinking. He will spend the rest of his life in prison. At this point the only thing he stands to gain is maybe ending up in a women’s prison? Then it would make more sense to claim to be a woman. It’s not like they’re halfway through the trial and he announced a pronoun change. This is the initial court documents where his “identity” was declared as non-binary. These people going on about it as a defense strategy and he’s faking are literally just hoping because they want him to be right wing, no evidence has suggested that. For now, if you believe non-binary is a real thing, you are breaking your own rules by not accepting that. I’m glad I don’t do these mind games with myself. No motive has been released, no suggestion that his lawyer is lying about his client has been evidenced.

[...]

pennygadget , Stealthygal & mittimithai #transphobia ovarit.com

Contrapoints on CNN: “It was obvious with the mug shot, that’s a man” while referring to Club Q shooter

( pennygadget )

"If he were non-binary, why would he attack his own community?"

That's a good question. Why don't we ask that question to all the totally valid trans-women who are currently in women's prisons for raping and/or killing members of the female community!

For real, fuck this guy. I can tell from looking at HIM that he's also a man no matter how much makeup he puts on or whatever silly girl voice he attempts. They've forced us women to go along and use female pronouns for horrible TIMs like Ezra Miller, Jonathan Yaniv, Dana Rivers, Karen White, Synthia Blast, etc. Now these fuckers need to practice what they preach and go along with whatever bullshit identity Mx Shooter claims to have. And if they don't, they should be swiftly banned from Twitter and other mainstream outlets for misgendering

Eat karma, you hypocritical clowns!

( Stealthygal )

If he were non-binary, why would he attack his own community?

For all kinds of reasons, like, he's an incel, he's fucked up by his porn star dad and cyer bullying when he was a teen, Being trans or NB or any other kind of fancy identity does not automatically make you nice.

Why would a school shooter attack his own community? Why are some transwomen rapists? Why do some women commit infanticide? Why are some people assholes? FOR REASONS

( mittimithai )
The demented gender/LGBTQ+++ cult itself is the one bringing clownery and disgrace to the horrific death of 5 people.

littleowl12 #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

Some armchair psychology about the "nonbinary" club shooter and why I had a feeling

Not to pretend I'm psychic and amazeballz, but when I saw this club shooting I had a feeling it wasn't some Proud Boy or Christian Conservative. For a few reasons. Let alone us. As awful as those guys are, as-of-yet other groups have, in recent years, committed a lot of homophobic violence. The Orlando nightclub shooter was an Afghan whose family was sympathetic to the Taliban. He grew up hearing violent rhetoric from his family and the people his family associated with. From the time he was little. Every day. It wasn't just bigotry. It's was the Taliban's fetishization of violence. Their collective addiction to it.

What would nonbinary/trans have in common with a Taliban extremist?

[...]

From what I can see, violent rhetoric is a big part of trans and non-binary culture. They now outnumber the "truscum" like Blaire White or Buck Angel. They watch tons of porn, violent media, and preferably violent porn. They are often fascinated with Antifas where they practice confrontation and violence. They take selfies with knives, guns, and bats. They write up grotesque fantasies of what violence they'd like to commit against others. (Especially against women). They share these fantasies and get praised. They give each other tips on what to do and how to do it.

As a result, most people don't like them. But we can't have THAT, now, can we? They believe they are entitled to a warm welcome wherever they go, because they are the Righteous Ones. They don't accept that rejection is part of life, and in many instances, reasonable. They believe they should be off-limits from accountability from outsiders. They only self-flagellate for each other. So even if they are told "you can't come here because of your scary behavior" they immediately believe they are being wronged. They are the righteous, beautiful group, others are the sinful, ugly group, so others need to obey.

[...]

NotCis & DonnaMme #transphobia ovarit.com

Opinion | The LGBTQ family is united by our fear for our lives - The Washington Post

( NotCis )
I really resent articles that teach people to live in needless fear. Yes, this shooting was a tragedy and the U.S. has an absurd number of mass shootings compared to other high-income countries - that is wrong and so many of us have called for change for years (especially since so many shooters have histories of abusing women). It doesn't mean that "the LGBTQ family" is under constant threat. As others have pointed out time and time again, trans-identified people are less likely to be murdered than other groups. A good thread here last week (I can't find it now - can anyone help) pointed out that more people are killed by toddlers accidentally setting off guns each year than trans-identifying people are murdered for any reason (and if you want to look at TIPs killed because of transphobic violence, the numbers are vanishingly small). Fearmongering and telling people it's unsafe to live normal lives is harmful to their mental health and wellness and it needs to stop. For the love of god, let's get gun control and lock up dangerous men stat, but it's not because "the LGBTQ family" is under particular threat.

( DonnaMme )
So there will be even more pressure for women to remain silent and anyone who speaks out will immediately be branded as pushing violence against TIP. I posted this to the comment section

There are many violent men and this is a terrible tragedy. When will the gun access laws be changed? But this tragedy should not be conflated with women's efforts to regain rights that are being invalidated. There are women who are standing up, speaking out for their rights and speaking against the trend to hypersexualize children. This is not a violent movement but I am sure that the media will lump them in with violent groups. Why will this happen? I don't know but the media has blacked out any women who speak up

Not very well written, my comment and I am thinking of dropping my subscription to WaPo. Too much money and it's the most manipulative of the woke newspapers but the media has such power to silence.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

CO LGBT club shooter is is "non-binary" goes by Mx. Aldrich

( BondiBlue )
I have never experienced such a nihilistic, schadenfraude-drenched spurt of laughter until I saw this just now. How are Esqueer and Ben Collins and all the other hacks and ideologues wailing about MAGA and TERFs going to square this circle? Y’all got played.

( overanddone )
yep, they got played, but this was ineveitable. "This never happens" comes home to their own backyard.

I snorted.

( Iceni )
Aha. I was just about to post this. Saw it on a left wing forum I post to. They are all saying he's doing it to get out of hate crime charges. I simply posted, "that's great, now they can decide if they want to go to a male or female prison." Haven't gotten any down votes yet, but give it time. Because no man would pretend to be not a man to get into a female space.

( BeachLover )
I went over to Daily Kos and they are claiming his lawyers didn't claim this: it was in a footnote. They say he is trolling. I guess the Left doesn't believe trans and nonbinary people anymore?

( RawSienna )
But nobody would claim a false identity to make their lives easier, would they?

If they insist on this argument, they can’t also argue “trans” women in women’s prison isn’t also gaming the system.

( iCONIC )

They are all saying he's doing it to get out of hate crime charges

Isn't he? He's identifying as "non-binary" to reduce his hate crime charges

"I wasn't homophobic or affected by bias! I was just an adherent of a homophobic, biased "gender" ideology who was in the wrong place at the wrong time!"

( Cailin )
So a pronoun person went into an LGBT club and murdered people…

….this ideology still remains the most homophobic thing I’ve ever seen.

( worried19 )
Holy fuck. Well, this is bad for the TRA narrative.

I had wondered if the shooter was a self-hating closet case. Not quite, but not far off.

I'm just pissed we have to watch the mainstream media fall over themselves to deny that this person is male. Then again, that's definitely going to peak the masses, so maybe it's a silver lining.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Another man with a history of VAW becomes a mass shooter but trans activists blame it on TERFs

( LilOvaries )
Just like how men love to blame male-on-male devastation on women, trans-identified individuals love to misplace blame as well. Despite men being the vast majority of people who go out and murder transgenders, the TRA movement still finds a way to mental gymnastics the fault somehow landing on women who identify as radical feminists. Goes to show how much they hate women. When attacked, transgenderism activists leave the male perpetrators alone to yell at women and girls instead.

( pennygadget )
I highly doubt this shooter was reading Dworken, posting on Ovarit, or reading Rowling's essays in the days before he shot up a queer club. This is yet another bullshit MRA tactic to make women responsible for the bad behavior of men.

And for any TRA lurkers, this is NOT the same as us blaming the trans community for their bad apples. It IS your fault when a TIM impregnates women in a women's prison because Y'ALL ADVOCATED FOR THAT SHIT!!! Nobody here has ever called for a mass shooting against the TQs (and if they did, they'd be swiftly banned)

( cupcakes_and_shiraz )
This. GC women don't hate trans people for existing, we detest gender ideology and the damage it's done to women and girls. I don't expect TRAs to be bright enough to make the distinction though because they'd have to recognize that they're not victims.

( worried19 )
It's really galling that TRAs equate not wanting children to be medically transitioned or exposed to inappropriate adult sexuality with hating LGBT people and wanting them to be killed.

No one on Ovarit wants innocent people to die.

anothergclesbian & SecondSkin #transphobia ovarit.com

(anothergclesbian )
Talk of Homophobia absent on "LGB/T" networks.

Does anyone else notice how the so called "lgb/t" networks don't really talk about homophobia anymore? Everything is either LGBTQ- or "queer"phobia and everyone, even if it's more specifically LGB, lesbian, or gay men, are always called LGBTQ people. I was reading an article about the recent shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado to find not a single mention of homophobia, not even an acknowledgement of sexual orientation. They made it all about trans issues and of course had to say, "oh trans women of color the most targeted group". I don't deny that gnc gay black men aren't targeted but I hate how it's used to dismiss what we face on a whole (like it's not really a problem). People in that nightclub died because the shooter hates LGB people but no, the real hate is not wanting men in women's spaces or making it illegal for people to obtain unneccessary treatments and surgeries. Who cares if gay men still get targeted on subways and streets? If lesbians worry about being attacked or r*ped and now fear being told by men we turn down 'oh I id as a woman'? Nah, not getting your way is the real problem here. 🙄

It's almost like at some points trans-IDing straights don't want to pretend they face homophobia, just "lgbtq/queerphobia", but they also don't want homophobia to be talked about - probably because they don't want THEIR homophobia to be brought up. But now they try to dip what happened on us like it's our fault for speaking out against their bullshit. It's so messed up.

( SecondSkin )
Agree with you op.

One local secondary school has an lgbt+ policy that is all about the t.

Just got my kids schools RSE policies sorted out that seemed fairly successfully but now the bullying policy reference to homophobia is all tq++++

Am pulling my hair out and sick of needing to waste energy on this bs. Which must feel much more frustrating for the lgb women and men.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

What to do if wokes turn all bathrooms into unisex

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( carpetplaydohx2 )
Something tells me the transbros will not be happy about this either. Well, half of them, anyway -- they'll be faint with "dysphoria." The other half will be falling over themselves to get at the blood for their own fake periods.

( Radical_Phoenix )
Check out their penises while they pee and then share the intel you gained around.

( Owlchaser )
"OH WOW, IS THAT WHAT A MICROPENIS LOOKS LIKE?!"

( Boudicaea )
As loudly as possible

( RighteousIndignation )
dont forget to laugh.

( Lipsy )
Needs moar contingency plan for when middle-aged AGPs start fishing through the trash and otherwise combing the premises for discarded cups to... idk shove up their butts or something ((shudders))

( Eava )
That is why they don't want separate bathrooms. No used products to find.

( pellucidar )
I've only ever seen disposable discs, but you can rinse those first, too. There's no stopping men from buying new ones anyway.

( Lipsy )
I don't think brand new ones would rlly scratch their proverbial itch, tbh. Although I'm happy to say i am not any kind of expert on this 🤪 and could be very wrong indeed.

( Carrots90 )
Unfortunately, I agree with you

cousinanger , IrishTheFrenchie & ceridwens_cauldron #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Cis is totally a neutral term because everyone has a gender identity and should accept being reduced to stereotypes

( cousinanger )
I can't read the linked thing, for some reason. But I can give a few general opinions: 1. There is zero evidence that everyone has a gender identity. This is an axiom or assumption a trans theorist has made. We don't have to believe it as it is probably not true. 2. Those who have never transitioned and who feel that they might have a gender identity seem to base it on the experience of living in a sexed body. In other words, that identity doesn't just somehow happen to match the sex of their bodies but is BASED on it. So all those people and all those who have no gender identity but just a biological sex are erased when faux wokes erase all names for the female sex. We become bleeders, ovary-havers, egg-producers and individuals with a cervix. 3. Being reduced to stereotypes is what **will ** happen with the gender identity cult, because there is nothing else that gender could be based on once biological sex is erased. Or at least nothing else someone could 'perform' to show what gender they want to be seen as. So now every single woman who accepts being called a woman is assumed to be passive, submissive, emotional and nurturing (all parts of defining femininity). Or something far worse in terms of sexist stereotypes.

The 'cis' shit is really so much nastier than how it looks. It's like those boiling-the-frog-slowly examples, i.e., doesn't seem that much to ask from us, but when we think it through it's about as regressive as anything coming from the MRAs or the anti-feminist religious extremists. And accepting it means we agree with the underlying beliefs.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
I report every single TRA/TIP that calls me cis for "misgendering". Every single one.

Sorry if you don't like your own weapons turned and used on you, but thems the rules!

Cis is 100% a slur because it's like calling atheists "Godless". It insinuates there's more to it than simply not believing in someone else's religion.

( ceridwens_cauldron )
No, I don’t call myself cis as I clearly don’t fall understand your ‘cis’ definition of ‘someone with a gender identity that aligns with their sex’

I DON’T HAVE A GENDER IDENTITY AT ALL

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Prenatal yoga class I was looking into uses the term “carrying persons”

( Feministunderyrbed )
I used to feel sorry for TIFs, they’re not a threat to me, victims of misogyny too, and all that. But when I think of the kind of pressure it has taken to impose these farcical speech codes on every business, government and institution serving women, I don’t feel like being in a room with TIFs any more than with TIMs. The delusions and aggression are almost equally creepy.

( femlez34 )
Honestly I think it's TIMs pushing for this as much if not more than TIFs. They know they can never be women because they can't get pregnant. They're desperate to divorce womanhood from female biology and turn it into an outfit, that's the only way they can participate.

( NoDayForADo )
More and more I find them practicing the worst kinds of misogyny. Skyler Bailer - HUGE supporter of Lia Thomas - given the voice of credibility because "he's a trans man athlete!" Think about it a little deeper and you'll see someone who hated being a woman so much she lopped her own tits off, who is now pushing for rules to hurt and humiliate other women.

( fiordisappho )
Same, plus I find their obsession with opting out of womanhood to “become men” particularly pathetic and enraging.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
What's frustrating is 90% of them don't actually want to become men. They're literally scared of men (like more so than the average woman IME) and refuse to use men's spaces because they don't like the misogyny, bro talk, male mannerisms, etc. They basically don't like anything about men, they just REALLY hate being treated like a woman.

They obsess over male characters written by women, male representations that don't actually exist. That's what they want to be.

( pennygadget )

They obsess over male characters written by women, male representations that don't actually exist. That's what they want to be.

They want to be like the yaoi boys in their Manga. Just like how the TIMs want to be giggling hentai sluts

( Feministunderyrbed )
Equal parts pitiable and infuriating, yeah.

( hmimperialtortie )
Same. My pity has largely been replaced by contempt.

cranberrysalad and EternaEspiral #sexist #senpai_noticed_us ovarit.com

Submitter’s note: this is yet another quote from the Ovarit is often featured on FSTDT! thread: https://fstdt.com/SW2.6WS2JB7MH
Apparently they don’t understand we call them fundie because of their rhetoric and who they associate with, i.e. Matt Walsh

(cranberrysalad)
Amen (irony intended, lurkers). Super liberal atheist here, much further left than my TWAM friends. They’re busy sobbing and wailing about men’s rights activism from some extremely wealthy zip codes while I’m over here like don’t let your identity politics make you forget that we’re all workers, comrade.

(EternaEspiral)
Yup, young, lesbian, atheist and anarchist leaning here. We're difinitely not what they imagine. Bet they won't screenshot and comment on this lol

various commenters #transphobia #senpai_noticed_us ovarit.com

RE: Ovarit is often featured on FSTDT!

( crispycherrypie )
People who live on the internet, without a shred of irony: "Wow, there are a lot of lifelong leftists coming out as fundie Christians. Could it be that I'm mistaken, that I'm misinformed?

...No, it's the bigots who think males shouldn't be in women's spaces who are wrong."

( crodish )
I'm surprised none of them have peaked reading us.

We aren't anti-trans, we're anti-lying.

( Nibaiz )
Some of them really like futa porn and they don't want to be called gay about it. Ha.

( NewMa )
I'm scared to google that.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
Futa is just "chicks with dicks" but an anime version.

( TheDirtyYumejo )
Unfortunately most of those people are so far up their own ass with their beliefs that no amount of logic can save them, they'll block it out at any cost.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
Because ironically, they're very religious.

( Committing_Tervery )
I’m sure some have probably peaked, but they are too afraid to say it on the website. Or perhaps they got banned, or the comments were removed.

These people (just like those on r/GenderCynical, a sub making fun of r/GenderCynical) also frame our stuff or take it out of context and misrepresent our views though. They try to make us look as bad as possible.

( sojourner_truth_ )
For a lot of people, the sole reason they are on Team Trans is because they think the only people opposed to transition are religious. I see similar "logic" being used in Eastern Europe when it comes to gay rights. A lot of people think the only reason to oppose is religion, so therefore they support it just because they hate Christianity so much.

( strawberryfields4evr )
Imagine our posts being peppered in between people fantasizing about raping children, violent misogyny and homophobia.

( Committing_Tervery )

people fantasizing about raping children, violent misogyny and homophobia

Sounds like TIMs to me. Checks all the boxes

( ladyagatha )
Omg. When I first read this, I assumed the target of the ridicule was the TRAs, not the people on this site with common sense. Amazing. Yeah, we’re the fundamentalists alright 🤣

sarstan #transphobia ovarit.com

Company comes out with "women only" club night that panders to trans/non binaries. Trans idiot submits anonymous post complaining about how it's not "inclusive to trans men". You can't win with these people

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TIMs are the most aggressive, hateful men on earth, claiming womanhood as their own. "strictly no men" allowed in a space where are men are allowed.

Owlchaser , yikesforever & Tortoisemouse #transphobia ovarit.com

We don't believe TWAW, that's the whole point
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( Owlchaser )
Lol. Their argument is that "trans" is simply another identifier, like "old" or "black". Ok, so what does "trans" mean? It means something which is on the opposite side. "Black woman" and "Old woman" describe the type of woman but "trans woman" literally means "opposite of woman". SO NO FUCKING SHIT nobody thinks they're women! You cannot be both a transwoman and a woman! It's in the name itself!!!

And, any other qualifier would literally point to "male woman". Or, "not female woman". I'm headdesking so much I have a red mark!!!!

( yikesforever )
They also want all the stuff for trans people (like acting roles, beauty pageants, awards, groups, etc), and what women have.

Like even they somehow want both and yet demand everyone to think of them as women? fucking whack

( Tortoisemouse )
Yeah because it's "intersectional". They are extra marginalised because they're women AND they're trans.

Except, they don't understand how venn diagrams work. The circle representing "all trans women" is outside the circle for "women". That's literally what "trans" means. The two circles DO NOT INTERSECT. So screw your intersectionality.

They aren't extra marginalised they're just extra stupid.

Queenofdogs & [Deleted] #transphobia ovarit.com

( Queenofdogs )
Something I've noticed...

When TiMs get misogynistic abuse they feel 'euphoria' and go 'tehee I pass!' But when you say 'I hate men' TiFs go 'nooo you can't hate men it hurts my feelings I'm a man'

I wonder why this could be 🤔🤔🤔

( [Deleted] )
If you really want to piss off TIFs you say "i hate men except transmen", omg they HAAAAATE it 😂😂 "no were real evil men!!! We will totally rape you!!!!" Lmao sure girl

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

TIM is offended that mothers don’t want him around their little girls in the public restroom
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( legopants )
She's teaching her kids to be safe around men, not to fear women. She's doing everything right. die mad about it

( Sailor_Paradise )
There are videos of men jacking off in public bathrooms on porn sites and installing hidden cams as well.. So the fact they're saying there's no reason to fear a man in female's restroom with their child really shows how dumb they are. Fuck this guy. There's a reason why you see mother's bring their sons into the bathroom with even if they're 8+ because of the fear the moment they're alone they can get instantly raped or hurt by a strange man. If you're really afraid of transphobia don't use the bathroom or go to the gender neutral one. The op clearly doesn't pass as a woman at all not even a masculine one.

( redacted )
men in the bathroom is not a grey area, its a violation of boundaries.

i hope his mum was just trying to prevent him going off at her and doesn't sincerely believe that, but she should be telling her adult son to respect female only spaces.

( RusticTroglodyte )
She's probably scared of him. I would consider myself a complete fucking failure as a parent if my son grew up to be an autogynephile. His mom is either deluded or just drinks herself to sleep every night wondering where she went wrong

( Apricot_Ibex )
“Women who look like you” aka MEN have sexually assaulted children countless times in restrooms, you freak.

Cope and seethe that mothers are teaching their children to avoid/be cautious around strange MEN who are creepy, entitled, and aggressive enough to barge into a space where they don’t even belong.

( suupersami )
They always seethe the hardest when they're denied access to vulnerable populations, especially children. You don't see TIFs focused on getting unconstrained access to children.

( shewolfoffrance )
It says a lot about this movement that they demand concessions not from the relatively powerful, but the relatively weak.

( realityismykink )
also they're pedophiles

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

A burn for the ages. So to say.
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( suupersami )
That's true, this is the first time I've heard a TIM advocate for a women's-only space.

Also, lol at "terrorizing". Only a male could equate the act of being denied with terror.

( MagnificentMildew )
It reminds me of that one quote: men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them.

Transwomen are afraid women will "misgender" them, actual women are afraid transwomen will rape or kill them.

( blahblahgcer )
Unfortunately, this is an actual woman. She was in A Very Potter Musical as Cho Chang and on Buzzfeed's Ladylike.

( pennygadget )

Unfortunately, this is an actual woman. She was in A Very Potter Musical as Cho Chang and on Buzzfeed's Ladylike.

Ugh. These attack dog handmaidens make me so sad. She'll screech all day about the imminent threat posed by TERFs. But I'll bet she has no idea about the female suffering in Iran or the two women impregnated by a TIM inmate in New Jersey

( Novemberinthechair )
Cis women terrorize Tim's? Oh, fuck off.

( Committing_Tervery )
Exactly. TIMs rape and murder us, and also threaten us with those daily.

( wishforsanity )
"Terrorizing" to them is being misgendered on the internet. Because they're not mentally ill, but, if you hurt their feelings they will commit suicide and it will be all your fault, of course.

( KittyC22 )
I used to love Lady Like but they have gone very 'woke'. I'd love to see her comments on the lovely speech that comes from the otherside.

I have no doubt there are women out there who are nasty and genuinely don't like TW, but I have yet to see anything as vile as the rape threats, doxxing and firing requests by TRA's.

( hmimperialtortie )

I have no doubt there are women out there who are nasty and genuinely don't like TW

Not liking TIMs doesn’t make one nasty. What is there to like about perverted misogynists who larp as women?

various commenters #transphobia #ableist ovarit.com

RE: A prediction.

( stirfriedkailan )
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but why are TIMs over-represented in tech/programming?

( [Deleted] )
In my experience it's an extension of toxic masculinity and incel culture. They are nerds who have grown up being bullied by jocks and "chads" and can't relate to their imaginary standard guy who likes sport and bbq, so they assume that they aren't men at all.

Some of them see affirmative action in tech firms and assume that women have it "easier" and others are just pornsick fetishists. Throw into the mix the fact that a lot of them are autistic or otherwise neurodivergent and you have the perfect environment to spawn Tim's.

( LadyLuck )
I remember looking at an Incel message board years ago and I think a lot of those guys have some form of dysmorphia. They would obsess over their chins or height when cleaning their rooms, getting a hobby and being considerate to potential partners would have taken them much further.

( NoDayForADo )
Because the autistic boys gets sucked into trans culture the same as the girls do.

[Deleted] & Luckystar #transphobia ovarit.com

When TRAs compare TIMs to black or disabled women
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( [Deleted] )
I’ve heard that not wanting men in women’s spaces due to fear of male violence is as bigoted as not wanting to share spaces with blacks because of fear of crime. That specious analogy is a racist mess.

( Luckystar )
It's also a category error/logical fallacy.
TRAs want to maintain there being separate male and female facilities/sports/etc, but just allow people to pick which one they want to use. If we compare with racial segregation in the USA, that'd be like saying we should keep the white-only and black-only bathrooms, water fountains, sports leagues etc. but let people decide for themselves if they consider themselves black or white.

Or to look at it the other way around: What they are asking for is not actually "transgender inclusion" as they frame it. They want to completely abolish women's spaces and "integrate" them so there is one set of facilities that anyone can use regardless of sex.

Another huge reason why the comparison falls flat: Women's facilities were created by women, for the purpose of giving women safe spaces away from male predators, chances for women to participate in sports without being completely flattened by male competitors, etc.

By contrast, under the segregated USA, the "black only" spaces were created by whites, and the purpose was to keep black people from accessing nicer facilities they kept for whites only. The power structure and the purpose of the facilities is completely inverted.

It actually blows my mind how often they resort to the analogies to USA racial segregation when if one thinks about the comparison for more than 30 seconds it should be pretty obvious why the two situations are not only not comparable, but they're actually pretty much the exact opposite, in form and execution.