scientists would know about it

Jeff Miller #fundie splendoroftruth.com

For the last month I have been preparing myself for a Sen. Obama win. I am by nature a pessimistic-optimist. I am though much more calm than I expected I would be in the aftermath of President-Elect Obama. It is much easier to remember today that my trust is in Jesus. Though I am also in mourning for the unborn who will die as a result of an Obama Presidency. They will never get to vote in an election, much less get healthcare or participate in the economy. The economy goes up and down. Dead babies stay dead.

Maybe we need to pray for the health of Supreme Court members so that they stay healthy another four years and have no desire to retire. Yeah I am only saying this jokingly, but no doubt some will retire and have a replacement named by a President Obama and another generation of children will be killed with the permission of the court. One thing you can say about Democrats is that they never pick a nominee that "grows" in office - they are reliably strict deconstructionists who will find a foreign law that matches their biases or grab a penumbra in a pinch.

Being thankful for little things the Democratic Senate does not have 60 seats so I hope this will keep the misnamed Freedom of Choice Act from being able to be signed into law. At least I hope that it is not able to be passed. Unfortunately the Mexico City policy will be history in an Obama administration. Plus I can only imagine the type of people that will be sent to represent us in the U.N. Say hello to CEDAW and the United Nations efforts to make abortion a universal "right." Plus President Bush's restrictions on Federal funding of embryonic stem-cells will be gone and surely the taxpayers will be funding destructive embryonic research regardless of the progress of ethical sources of stem-cells. Federal money will be used for cloning research and yet more embryos will die at the hands of scientists killing in order to preserve life.

This is the affirmative action presidency. Affirmative action is notorious for placing skin color above qualification and the electorate decided accordingly. There was hardly a dimes worth of difference between any of the Democratic presidential wannabees other than varying levels of experience. Obama's main qualification was that his father was from Kenya and he was capable with a teleprompter. Though once he became the nominee he had a cascade of forces historically helpful for a Democrat to take the office this time around.

Though at least now we know how many racists there are in the United States. Those 56,280,668+ that voted for Sen. McCain are obvious racists for not voting for "The One." And just because you might have voted for Alan Keyes - well you're racist too for not voting for Obama. The idea that the election of Sen. Obama is going to heal race relations I think is laughable. The media will frame every opposition to a President Obama's policies as racially tinged just as they did during the election.

As far as the media goes I don't know which I liked worse. The media that use to pretend to have some objectivity or the one that simply became campaign operatives. Media bias is nothing new and selective reporting has been with us for quite a time. The editing of the Palin interview to make her look worse and the L.A. Times withholding of a video tape are just some of the egregious examples this time around. The media can determine what the Palin family ate the night before by inspecting their garbage can, but could find nothing worthy to investigate on Sen. Obama. Gee remember the media trying to pin cocaine use on President Bush, yet Obama's biographies detailing drug use get a yawn. I hear that the Main Stream Media is going to be elevated to a cabinet position by President Obama because of the good work they did for him. No longer will dissent be patriotic as the media said during the Bush years.

Now we will also have a culture of death Catholic Vice President who will be putting the vice into Vice President with his support of many forms of abortion. I bet the media can hardly wait to snap a picture of him receiving Communion to gloat. The USCCB meets soon to discuss "practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion." Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not, but I would love to be wrong.

I hear that Sen. Obama will be FedExing 30 pieces of silver to Doug Kmiec. Moloch is quite happy with all of the Catholics that voted for Sen. Obama. According to Catholic Culture "Among Catholic voters who attend Mass weekly, McCain won majority support: 54- 45%. Among those who do not attend weekly Mass, the margin for Obama was an overwhelming 61- 37%. Thus Obama drew his support from inactive Catholics." So 45 percent of Mass going Catholics supported the most extreme supporter of abortion ever in a Presidential race. The unborn chopped up via scalpels will be glad to hear about hope and change.

n/a #fundie

[Ok, here's the story: I bought an old computer from Value village that wasn't formatted, and lo and behold, they didn't wipe their hard drive! It has 2 fundie essays on it, or at least that's all I can find (good old Windows 3.1!). I'll clip a few quotes from it and put them at the top, then the whole essay if you want to read it. I saw there were other essays on the site but didn't know how to submit just an essay. Interesting -- the file name for this one was toastmast.doc, implying that it was a toastmaster's speech. Essay 1 is your basic "evolution isn't scientific" essay, Essay 2 suggests that the British European union is the coming of the antichrist.]

FIRST ESSAY

Quote: "This kind of thinking is like watching a tornado sweep through a junk yard and out the other side comes a 747."
"Thermo dynamics is physics, it is the laws that govern the relationship of all energy and matter in our universe."

Essay:

The speech I am giving today is speech #8 from the communication and leadership manual, “Make It Persuasive” My objective is to persuade you to consider a point of view that differs from the one you hold. The subject matter of my talk is the origin of us and our world, in other words , “Where did we come from?” This is a topic that is far too complex to handle in this short time. But I am going to plant three ideas in your head, for your consideration, and then to speak again on the subject at a later date.

About six months ago I attended a lecture series given by Dr. Ron Carlson. He holds degrees in anthopology, palaeontology, geology, physics, biology to name only a few subject areas. It is from his speech that I prepared this talk to you. His basic premise is that the theory of life on this planet, presented to the world by Charles Darwin over 100 years ago, the theory of evolution, is not scientific. There are known scientific principles, principles proven by the scientific method of study, that contradict the theory of evolution. The work of Charles Darwin does not hold up over time of study and research.

Well let’s get started. The evolutionist believes that the world started with a Big Bang, a really BIG BANG - a hydrogen explosion. Energy spread out, and order was established in the formation of planets, galaxies, stars and the earth. In a few billions years, there developed on our planet, earth, some amino acids, some simple forms of life. From an accident in nature, life commenced on earth - algae, bacteria, protosoa, reptiles, vertebrates, mammals - followed by the early primates - a few million years more, the evolutionist confirms, we have man. The important point to note here is that there was no predestined or predetermined pattern in the commencement of life forms on this planet. The beginning of life was an accident. An accident, like the explanation of the origins of the universe - the Big Bang was an accident. There is no proof that the accident did indeed happen. The Big Bang theory is used to explain one theory of the creation of our world.

Dr. Carlson offers another theory of creation of our universe. It is the one written in the book of Genesis of the Bible. We were created by a supernatural, creative, active God. My question to you, are you an accident, or the product of a supernatural creative, active God?

Let’s look at some of today’s scientific laws and the evolution vs creation theory. A basic principle of the evolution theory is that energy and matter become more organized over time. There is an upward direction of more complexity - inorganic matter becomes organic matter. Organic matter becomes conscious matter, becomes moral matter, with a brain with a heart, becomes ethical matter, becomes an orderly society. This is in direct conflict with the 2nd law of thermo dynamics. Thermo dynamics is physics, it is the laws that govern the relationship of all energy and matter in our universe. This basic law of physics states that everything eventually runs out of energy - and as it does this order and organization become chaos. The process is called entropy - everything goes down to chaos over time. Entropy refers to a mathematical principle that everything including the universe over time runs out of energy. It is a basic law of physics. The theory of evolution is built on the principle that over time, we have become more organized and more complex. We’ve come from hanging in the trees to walking upright and organizing ourselves into complex societies says the evolutionist. Dr. Carlson says no, this is in contradition of the 2nd law of themo dynamics. This kind of thinking is like watching a tornado sweep through a junk yard and out the other side comes a 747.

To the field of biology we go next. A basic law of biology is the law of bio-genesis. This law states that life can only be produced by life. It states that it is impossible to get life from non-life. Life needs a metobolic engine that takes energy from the environment to create itself - the DNA is part of this life force. Only life can create new life. The law of bio-genesis says it is impossible to create life from non-life. Yet this is what the scientist who teach evolutionary theory say, that life started from non-life. Out of the waters of the Big Bang came early forms of life i.e. algae, bacteria etc. Life started as an accident. From no where, came the first signs of life.

A third thought I would like to plant is the comments Darwin himself made about his theory of evolution - he said that over time the fossil record would eventually show all the transitional forms of life evolving from the ocean to land, to complex life forms, and finally to man. He admitted that at the time he proposed his theory of evolution the fossil record was scant. He said given time, the record would support his theory. Since that time over 100 years have elapsed. Hundreds of paleontologists have spent their careers looking for the transitional fossils, the missing links to show how one species evolved in to the next. There are none. To visit the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, the largest museum of evolution in North America, is to see there are hundreds of fossils - but no transitional forms, no missing links. Instead what the fossil record does show is that there is a sudden appearance of fully formed fossils - fully formed unto themselves. There are no transitional forms - no fossils of early forms of a part cow part eagle. No fossils of early forms of a part shrimp part frog. Darwin’s predictions that the fossil record would prove his theory has not happened.

The theories of creation - the Big Bang or creation by a supernatural creative, active God. The fossil record show life forms appear suddenly. The creation theory states that life forms appeared suddenly. Is our planet winding down to chaos - as stated in the 2nd law of thermo dynamics? Man is capable of destroying life on this planet, sending it into total chaos through bombs, destruction of the environment. Note the holes in the atmosphere - our protection from the sun is diminishing. Do we see any signs of increasing order and organization in our world? The second law of thermo dynamics is at work. Have we been able to create life from non-life in the science lab? Should we accept this as a possibility of our origins - life began as an accident - rather than to believe that a supernatural, creative active God created us.

You ask how could such a doctrine as the evolutionary theory , if it is false, be so accepted as scientific truth? This would not be the first time in the history of our planet that false laws of science were accepted as truth - i.e. there was a time when the thinking of the world said the earth was flat. With that in mind, I hope I have planted a thought in your head, three thoughts actually 1. the law of thermo dynamics, 2. the law of bio-genesis and 3. the fossil record - maybe the world did not evolve, but rather was created by a super creator. Are you persuaded?


Essay 2:

Quotes: "The gold head of the statue represents the Babylonian empire - the empire of splender and magnificense."
"It is suggested that the European Common market countries are those that were part of the great Roman Empire and are coming together again today in an economic union that will be political as well. These are the feet and toes of iron and clay. A mixture of different people. But they will not stay united, as iron and clay do not unite. It is this Kingdom, the revived Roman Empire and all previous remnents of kingdoms that will be smashed by the rock. As the Bible predicts God in the form of Jesus Christ will return to the earth and build his Kingdom, the fifth kingdom that will be everlasting. All other Kingdoms will be destroyed."

Essay:

The millennium will change in a very few years. December 31, 1999 marks the end of this thousand year period and the next day, January 1, 2000 marks the beginning of another thousand year period. What is in store for us in this next millennium? There is something mystical and mysterious about the millennium change. At least there is in the minds of some of us. In the remaining years before 2000 there will be more and more prophets, and sign readers telling us what is to come. One famous prophet of the 1500’s, Nostradamus, pin pointed the seventh month of 1999 as the time when a great king of terror will descend from the skies. However, he continues in this quatrain, Mars (god of war) will reign for the good. Could this be armageddon, the battle between good and evil?

Another prophet writing in the times of the Babylonian Empire - around 600 B.C. made prophesies for the future based on dreams, his dreams and his interpretation of his King, Nebuchadnezzer’s dreams. These dreams are written in the Old Testament book of Daniel.

Just a bit of historical information about ancient times. King Nebuchadnezzer conquored the known world of the day. In today’s geography the countries are called Iran, Iraq, Jordon, Turkey, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Italy. Nebuchadnezzer’s empire was known as the Babylonian Empire - it was an empire of incredible splender, incredible glitz. The world had not been gathered together in one kingdom this size before. Nebuchadnezzer’s word was law - he had total and supreme power. Following this empire, the Persians conquored the known world and held their empire ( from 530BC to 330BC) until Alexander the Great conquored the world to commence the Greek empire.(330 BC to about 63 BC) The Roman empire followed - there has not been a world empire to replace the Roman empire. Napoleon tried to build a world French empire, but failed. So we have the Babylonian empire, the Persian empire, the Greek and Roman empires.

Returning to Daniel, he was a valued adviser to the King of Babylon. Nebuchadnezzer, the King had a dream where he saw a huge dazzling, statue, awesome in appearance. The statue had a head of gold - chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet of part iron and part clay. A huge rock was cut out but not by human hands. It struck the feet of the huge statue - the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were smashed to pieces - and blown away

by the wind - but the rock that hit the feet, became a huge mountain and filled the earth.

Daniel commenced to interpret the dream for Nebuchadnizzer. Daniel told him that God had shown the king what would take place in the future of nations. The gold head of the statue represents the Babylonian empire - the empire of splender and magnificense. The greatest empire to date in the history of man. The following empire would be inferior to the Babylonian empire - thus made of silver in the statue. We know this to be the Pesian empire. The Greek empire is represented by the bronze on the statue. The metals are getting stronger as we move to the feet of the statue and less glitzy. The governments of these successive empires are becoming less despotic, and democracy is beginning to be part of the way people live together. The fourth kingdom will be as strong as iron - the strongest of the metals. The Roman empire was the strongest of the four great empires, and the least glitzy. The Romans governed by senates and assemblies, closer to democracy. Daniel continues, the iron will crush all the others. But this fourth kingdom will be a divided empire or kingdom - this is represented by the feet of clay and iron. This kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. Just as you saw in the statue that the clay and iron were mixed, this fourth kingdom will be a mixture of people - they will not stay united, any more than iron mixes with clay. The rock that destroys the whole statue, grows and takes up the whole of the earth.

Interpretations in today’s Christian world - see the time of the Roman empire still here, in the present. Although for us it seems the Roman empire is no longer, commentators today feel that there will be a revival of the Roman empire, it never died - the legs and feet of iron and clay have not yet met with the crushing blow of the rock. The predictions of this fourth empire are not yet completed. It is suggested that the European Common market countries are those that were part of the great Roman Empire and are coming together again today in an economic union that will be political as well. These are the feet and toes of iron and clay. A mixture of different people. But they will not stay united, as iron and clay do not unite. It is this Kingdom, the revived Roman Empire and all previous remnents of kingdoms that will be smashed by the rock. As the Bible predicts God in the form of Jesus Christ will return to the earth and build his Kingdom, the fifth kingdom that will be everlasting. All other Kingdoms will be destroyed.

Is the formation of the European Common Market the completion of the Roman Empire. Is there any connection between the prophet Daniel’s predictions of the rock smashing all former Kingdoms, and the formation of God’s everlasting Kingdom and those of Nostradamus predicting a battle of the king descending from the skies and good reigning over all. What wonders will we behold in this next millennium?

EndWelfareToday #fundie freerepublic.com

[The Sun converts hydrogen in to helium and then that gets converted into higher molecules. We know this from spectrophotometer observation of the sun.]

And what data are you using to compare the results found while using the spectrophotometer? Surely you are speculating that between here and the Sun there are no phenomena that could skew your results or perhaps you are speculating that there are no other gases or chemicals or ??? God only knows what that closely resembles the results junk-scientist claim to be fact isn't this correct?

Forgive me but I'm tired of egg-heads stating as fact "theories." Theories are nothing more than glorified hunches and until actual evidence (like a physical sample of the material burning on the Sun collected off the Sun) that's all this "hunch" will be.

I'd appreciate it if people would make their statements in an honest manner instead of trying to brainwash the general populace into supporting causes that are full of hot air.


Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The theory of dinosaurs came along in the mid 1800's just before the time Darwin begain imagining the ape scenario. A young scientist envisioned an enormous creature in his mind and set about trying to find it. He was met with much skepticism and no real evidence until he found something that looked like a skull but he wasn't sure. So he set about trying to create a creature from that skull, all the while, his wife believing he was insane, which of course, he was, thus re-inforcing the phrase "mad scientist."

So after many years of gathering different bones, the dinosaur was created. Never mind that there's absolutely no way to know if those bones came from one animal or several animals. All that mattered was creating a fictitious monster out of any bones that were found and passing it aong as the truth so he can get his name in science books. Scientists even admit that some of the skeletons were "missing" so they added other bones from other animals to complete their design. This is not science. It's called; artwork. And it's very creative artwork at that! Some of those creatures are hilarious and any design is possible because there were no witnesses! But unfortunately, it's no different than kids finding sticks in the woods and creating anything they want from them. And most people see that as children's imaginations (which it is), but if those children had letters after their names, then people would claim they were "brilliant, just brilliant." And this is all palentologists do.

Then they assign each creature a name ( and the longer the better to show how intelligent they are but they more accurately describe the size of their egos than any real living creature) and decide which ones were herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores. So how can they know what these animals ate? :confused: The answer is that they can't know. They have simply made it up. And all they have to do is use the letters after their names and they can pass anything along as the truth. :)

So these fictitious beasts are in every science book in elementary school and passed along as facts instead of artwork. And people have been so brainwashed to believe them as facts, they can't see the forest through the trees that there's no way to prove them whatsoever. The various bones have all been positioned and glued together to depict the imagination fo the artist. There's no way to tell if these bones were all from the same animal or one animal. Even today, scientists have to extract DNA to see if the bones they find from a dead body all belong to the same person! So the one thing scientists have that is undeniable and that is an imagination. But it's hardly science. Palentologists would make more money working for Steven Spielberg than spending their times on hot deserts. ;)

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Evolutionists have dreamed up a whole theory based on mutations. Millions of them, we are told, have arisen randomly, for no reason -- without any beneficial direction -- only to be chosen later by natural selection. This dogma has been forced down our throats ad nauseam. But you would think, being so-called scientists, that evolutionists would have tested this assertion. Wouldn't it only be logical to test to see if the so-called "fit" mutations actually had deleterious effects on surrounding molecules? Well, I think that would only be fair. But have evolutionists bothered to test and/or report the details to the uninformed public in their books? Of course not. And do you know why? It's because the evolutionary scientific communtiy is largely immoral and simply cannot be trusted. Period. Their little pet theory is like an emotional security blanket to them, and they don't want people -- especially Christians -- taking away their nite-nite blankey.

Josh Greenberger #fundie associatedcontent.com

According to the Bible's account of Creation, God did not create man and woman as infants and wait for them to grow up. God did not create the first plants and animals in early stages and wait for them to mature. Why should cosmic rays have been any different? For God to have waited billions of years for cosmic rays to reach their intended destinations would have been inconsistent with the rest of Creation. Thus, for cosmic rays to have been created in a "state of arrival" should not seem that far-fetched.

Besides, can you imagine God creating an entire universe in six days and then waiting billions of years just for cosmic rays to fly across the universe? Sounds a little absurd.

Of course, when considering an act of Creation of an entire universe, there is another possibility. During the Six Days of Creation all the laws of nature, as we know them, were obviously not yet in place. The fact that light travels at the speed of light is only a law of nature in our completed universe. It is quite conceivable that before all the laws of nature were put into place light travelled at a far greater speed than it does in today's universe. Consequently, a distance which may take many light-years for light to traverse today may have taken only seconds during Creation. Was this really that complicated for this scientist to figure out?

[He goes on for six pages, denying the Big Bang, black holes, antimatter, and insinuating a global scientific conspiracy]

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

[Certainly you know that only a very few fringe scientists reserve acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. As theories go, it's very well accepted.]

The Bible is also very well accepted. Up to 97% of the people accept the Bible. More than what accepts the theory of evolution.

The difference is if you accept man's theory of evolution, then you have low standards. If you accept the Bible, you have high standards because God sets a much higher standard for us then we would set for ourselves. Evolution is false simply because it is a man made theory.

Darwin Was Wrong #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Why do people believe a meteor that hit only one little section of the planet killed ALL the dinosaurs?
Seriously, wouldn't a global flood be a more reasonable explaination? You know, because it's GLOBAL, meaning it covered the entire planet. Surely that would kill off every dinosaur on earth, not some meteor, which big or not, still didn't cover the entire planet. How can scientists be so smart but yet so stupid?

bcats #fundie techre.vu

Blackfx, Where do I begin! First, I don't really know very many big words, and I'm not that great at math, just passing. The only thing I got going for me is the wisdon God blesses me with! People sometimes ask me, "how do you know God is real? Can you prove it? Here's the thing... I don't prove God is real, HE proves He's real to me! And I know because He ( I won't say talks) communicates with me! He does it in a way that I know it's Him! There is no mistaking it, and I promise I'm not delusional. The reason God can hear 5 million prayers at the same time is because there are Millions of dementions. Since God is a Spirit and He is everywhere, He hears every prayer. BTW, satan is only in one demention and he can only be in one place at a time. But he has fallen angels (demons) by the thousands doing his evil works for him. All that to say this... Millions of dementions are not empty places. There is plenty going on we can't comprehend. God is on such a higher plane than us. As much as we try, We can not expect what makes sense to us to apply to God. In other words, We can not bring Him down to our level! We try to prove things on our level. There are things that are on such a higher level that our level of thinking is like us trying to tell cavemen about jet airplanes or computers, they just can't comprehend any of it. Blackfx, there are scientists who also teach bible prophesy who also study the stars, universe. One of these scientists told me, "God created the whole vast universe 'just to sustain the earth'". That means in our universe, life only exists on earth! Now perhaps (I'm guessing) in another demention, there is other universes where God created life on another planet! I don't know if Jesus had to die for other peoples' sins on other worlds in other dimentions! But I do know this.. Jesus would do it a thousands of times to please the Father! God says in the bible, "Jesus would have come to the earth and die that same death on the cross if YOU were the only person on this planet. HE would have came to die JUST FOR YOU!" wow, so YES, I believe Jesus would die a thousand times for all worlds, if be needed. continued.....

Danny Cunnington #conspiracy maxkeiser.com

It’s more than just oil companies it’s the holders of power. Ultimately central control is food and energy. The nature of the devices mean that once they became widespread no one person or group can dictate conditions. The units are non consumable but they produce a consumable product which currently people have to constantly buy at a high price. This is the money pump of the whole system.

No one can hold power if they have no control. A nation of people who have abundant free or nearly free energy cannot be coerced or threatened by rent seeking parasites. The only way to hold power is to do so with the consent of the governed. No one government can ban it because it would be economic suicide as they would be hopelessly uncompetitive against nations that allowed it. It’s pretty tough to build a case for war or regime change citing the evils of clean non polluting abundance and universal freedom.

Free or alternative energy has been suppressed for a century. In 1900 engineers found that they could increase power on aero engines by mixing in water and overcome the problems of a lack of oxygen at high altitudes. It simply wasn’t allowed. Tesla developed wireless free energy 1920. Magnet perpetual motors in several different form came out in the 1930s along with engines running on purer water. The Hindenburg Zeppelin disaster was a staged event to demonise hydrogen before people could figure how it could be used.

All establishment scientists claim it’s impossible but that’s because of the education they received which has long been controlled. None of the designers are actually mainstream scientists but various inventors. Thus the scientists are gatekeepers because they would lose all credibility and be fired when one of these developments gets out.

The Japanese have had their water car for about 20 years. The South Koreans developed theirs in the last few years. The world’s biggest death squad NATO are at hand and the elite also have nuclear weapons and cyber viruses that can cause nuclear power stations to go into meltdown and cause a disaster. (Stuxnet).

That’s why nobody can do this publicly. The situation is a massive problem for the NWO elite. Once this gets out they are finished because you can’t base your power on an artificial scarcity of energy for a century in the face of a virtual limitless supply of abundant free energy that everybody knows about and individuals can produce this independently.

In the past they murdered inventors, stole their stuff or drove them into hiding. They got away with this because of their media control. They have now lost much of that control. The copyright regime they are trying to implement is their attempt to regain it but there’s too much opposition to it.

The people who have these technologies know that their safety is the rapid way information can be widely spread via the internet. When one breaks into public perception all the other jump out straight after. There’s going to be at least four different systems.

Caamib, Elliot Rodger, various incels #sexist pastebin.com

(Caamib's translation of an article about an interview between him and German news magazine Der Spiegel in 2014)

Male, single, life-threatening

The man who killed six people in Santa Barbara in May, was a member of an obscure community: So-called Incels live involuntarily as single, and some develop a hatred of women, which can be fatal. Who are these men?

Written by Takis Strangler

Marijan says there are people in his community who hate the summer. In summer they have no choice but to see more of the women, their skin, their bare knees, tight clothes and their breasts. Marijan says he does not look at women, and he was trying to avoid places where he has to see naked female skin. He says: "If you're hungry but cannot eat, you're not going into a street fully loaded with cakes."

Marijan, 26, from Zagreb wishes a girlfried, and because he’s unable to find one, he experiences his life as a torment. He is lonely, but in his loneliness he is not alone. His community meets on the Internet.

He belongs to a group of people who answer to the moniker "Incel", which is the abbreviation for the English term "involuntary celibacy”. Marijan frequents forums in which an own culture of solitude has developed.

People who gather there are almost always men, a few hundred in total. How many there are exactly, can be difficult to estimate, there are English, German, Dutch, Australians and especially Americans.

One of them wrote in the past year on an internet forum: "One day the Incels will realize their true strength and number and overthrow the oppressive feminist system. Imagine a world in which the WOMEN FEAR YOU. "

The author of these lines was student Rodger Elliot. On 23 May this year, Rodger (22), from Santa Barbara, California, recorded a video from himself. He put the camera on the dashboard of his BMW and sat behind the wheel.

He said: "This is my last video. Tomorrow is the day of retribution. The day on which humanity will experience my retaliation. Which you all will experience. In the past eight years of my life, since I reached puberty, I was forced to endure loneliness, an existence full of rejection and unrequited desire. All just because women never felt attracted to me. In the last years I rotted in solitude. "

Now and then Rodger laughed in the camera, a handsome young man with black hair and white teeth. Through the window of his car palm trees were visible.

A short time later, he killed three fellow students in his apartment. Forensic scientists examine which weapon he used. The wounds of the corpses are not clear. The police secured fingerprints on two machetes, a knife and a hammer.

When the men were dead, Rodger took his Sig Sauer P226, his Glock 34 and two semi-automatic pistols, and went out in the neighboring community of Isla Vista. He knocked at the house of a sorority. Nobody answered him.

A few steps further on he shot two students. He went into a snackbar and shot and killed a customer. Then he climbed into his car, drove through the town and shot at passers-by, injuring 13 people.

He rammed his BMW into a cyclist, slammed into a parked car and killed himself with a shot in the head. Rodger left a few videos and a 137-page manifesto. In it are phrases like: "Women are like a plague. They are like animals, completely controlled by their animalistic instincts, and corrupt feelings and impulses. "

Many men who became lone gunmen have, as Rodger had, a sick relation with women in general. Eric Harris, one of the boys involved in the 1999 at Columbine High School shooting in the United States, killing 13 people and killed himself, wrote in his diary: "Maybe I just need to have sex. Perhaps that would change this shit. "

And his accomplice Dylan Klebold wrote: "I do not know what I do wrong with people (especially women) - it is, as if they hate me and scare me. "

During a shooting rampage in Winnenden in 2009 Tim Kretschmer killed eight female students, three female teachers and a male student in his former school.

In the same year the American George Sodini shot three women and wounded nine more, before taking his own life in a gymstudio. Previously, he had written in his blog:

"Women simply don’t like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the United States (is my estimate) - and I find none "!

These gunman leave questions:

Why people had to die? Exists there a connection between the murders and the loneliness of the perpetrators? What has this incel community from the Internet to do with the murders?

Rodger can answer no longer, and even if he could, he could hardly give any clear answers. But there are people who understand a few of his thoughts. Because they share his anger at women and his loneliness. One of them is Marijan (not his real name). You can reach him on his blog, thatincelblogger.wordpress.com.

After a few emails he agreed to meet, in Zagreb, Croatia, his hometown.

Before a pizzeria near the Cathedral a handsome young man, tall, with jet black hair and a three-day beard is waiting, he wears a white, loose T-shirt and cropped trousers.

While shaking hands he does not look one in the eyes. As he sits at a table, in the back, in a quiet corner of the restaurant, he says: "I'm going to look bad in the article, but what have I got to lose? "

He says he was angry after Rodgers rampage. The whole world again only talked about tougher gun laws. But no one thought about other reasons that drove Rodgers to his rampage. No one had thought about incel.

Marijan talks much and long. He doesn’t allow a lot of questions. It is less a conversation but rather a series of lectures, which he conducts with great precision.

Sentence after sentence, lecture to lecture, he leads the listener deeper into his world, deeper into the darkness in which there seems to be no happiness, only immeasurable hatred.

Excerpts from lecture one, subject: Women.

Women are simply designed robots with the desire to procreate. Young women in past generations always had help from their grandmother. She helped with finding a man. She said: This is a good type, he will take care of you. These grandmothers were replaced with the magazine Cosmopolitan. Today women want to marry up. They want improve their station. I would not say that we Incels hate women. But if you were rejected 50 times, then you develop negative feelings, which is normal.

Excerpts from lecture two, Topic: seduction game.

Women can now provide for themselves, so their preferences have changed from breadwinners to seducers. A minority of men has sex with the majority of women. The successful men are the Bad Boys. If you want to have a woman today, you need to become a Bad Boy and lose your ethics.

Excerpts from lecture three, theme: a better world.

I want a society in which a group of men cooperates in total trust. Each man gets a woman. The women are fairly distributed. People are monogamous and marry as a virgin. If a man wants sexual diversity, he goes to a prostitute. Feminists would be made prostitutes in this society. When a man tries to seduce multiple woman, he is killed instantly.

Marijan and other Incels meet on various forums on the Internet. the forum, that Elliot Rodger used, is now closed. Another is a relatively moderate forum called love-shy.com. The members speak there about topics such as pick-up lines, plastic surgery and other ways to escape their despair.

The users of the forum had opened a discussion about Elliot Rodger. On the first page a moderator writes that he condemns the deed and that Rodger did not reflect the philosophies of loveshy.com. The moderator announces that all posts glorifying the deed will be deleted.

One user writes on one of the later pages: "I think about Elliot Rodger ... why didn’t he just rape a slut at gunpoint? "

Another user wrote: "I was always taught to respect women and not to be sexually aggressive. That was a bucket full of shit. All what they really want is a muscle man who fucks them in the ass instead of fucking a real person with feelings”

A user writes on one of the last pages about Rodger: "He is a martyr, in the real sense of the word, one must give him that. "

On the forum Marijan calls himself "Dante Alighieri”, as the medieval poet. Dante started his poem “the Divine Comedy” with the words: "Halfway through the path of human life I found /myself in a devious dark forest/ Because I strayed from the right path."

On the morning after the first meeting Marijan wears the same clothes as on the day before. He says he did not sleep well, because the conversation had him stirred. In the café he ordered a chocolate cake and tells his life story.

Marijan grew up in a middle class family, he has a brother, and both parents were employeed. In school he had many years of little contact with girls. As he started to get interested in girls, they were alien to him. He was afraid of them. "My brain has not developed normally, " Marijan says. He was "love-shy". The American psychology professor Brian Gilmartin invented this term in 1987. The men who suffer from this condition complain about their complete inability to enter into a romantic relationship.

Some men report panic attacks, when they are alone with women, some break out in sweat, others can hardly move anymore when they think of a date, to which they look forward to. Marijan developed a morbid fear of women mingled with a steadily growing demand for a relationship with a woman.

He says: "My standards are very low, as long as the woman is not overweight or is unhygienic. And I have trouble with bad teeth. "

At 19, he met a girl through an SMS Chat. She was 16 and said to Marijan, that she wanted to sleep with him. She showed him how she likes to be kissed. The girl became Marijans girlfriend. He was happy for a moment.

Then she went on vacation over the summer to an island. Before parting, Marijan was angry because he did not want her to go, and told her that maybe they should become just friends.

The girl went anyway. Marijan sent her many SMSes and self-written poems. When she returned, she told him that she no longer liked him. Marijan could not cry for three days. Then when he finally cried, he didn’t go to the university for months and stuffed himself full with chocolate. He didn’t get over it, says Marijan. After one year he wrote on an Incel forum on the internet that he was planning on shooting himself and the girl. The owners of this forum contacted Interpol. Marijan got a visit of the Croatian police.

He testified that he no longer wanted to kill. The policemen nevertheless arrested him and charged him with the suspicion of murder threats and put him in pre-trial detention. After a month a judge released Marijan because he hadn’t threatened anyone directly. The judge said, so tells Marijan: "Maybe you’ll meet another woman just outside the court."

It was followed by two years without a kiss.

As Marijan turned 24 years old, he wrote on an Internet forum that he was a male virgin and looking for a woman, that would deflower him. A Croatian woman contacted him, visited him in Zagreb, slept with him and then said that he was pathetic , as he tells it.

In the years after he managed to bed three other women. "One of them was crazy and
a total bitch, "says Marijan. When she left him for another, he remained lying in bed for months, he says. He thought about suicide, and spent five days in a psychiatric ward.

Later he earned a degree in Medieval History at the Zagreb University. But he never wanted to work, because, as he says, he didn’t want to pay taxes that will reward sluts.

Today he says he no longer dates because he never want to feel disappointment again. He’s been alone for a year.

Most gunmen send out signals before their deeds, signals which could have been interpreted as warnings in retrospect. Allusions, threats, videos on the Internet.

Some gunman stuck a note on the school toilet wall, on which was written: "Tomorrow you're dead." Some men start wearing black clothes and leather jackets before they act. Elliot Rodger wrote his fantasies on blogs.

Marijan says: "There are a lot of broken people waiting to die. And he says:" I do not know when I will snap. " This English word "Snap" has several meanings. It can mean break, tear or explode. Marijan says: "I think Incel that can cause people to shoot or kill with a bomb. "

He smiles, it seems as if he enjoy the moment. Psychologists and psychiatrists that deal with school shootings, try to explain why men kill women, but women almost never kill men. Testosterone was one reason, the researchers say, and gender roles are also to blame, since men are more likely to resolve conflict with force and women are more likely to retreat. At the end they still lack a satisfactory explanation.

The FBI, the American Federal - police, writes in a report about shootings at schools that offenders are often focused on perceived injustices. One goes through life and picks out everything, that offends them. Every stupid comments of a classmate is remembered, each breakup with a girl finds his place in the collection of misery, until someone thinks the whole society is against you.

Many gunman also like to play videogames, where it’s the goal to shoot people’s head off. And many suffer from a narcissistic disorder.

But correlation does not equate causation, so no handy formula like this one can be derived: loneliness + computer games + narcissism = rampage. There are many lonely, narcissistic gamers who never shoot people.

In the life of a crazed gunman something happens, that the psychiatrists and psychologists cannot explain. Evil is sometimes greater than a simple explanation.

The assassin who tried in 1981 to shoot U.S. President Ronald Reagan, said when interviewed: "You know a few things about me, sweetheart, for example, that I’m obsessed with fantasy, but why don’t you understand, that fantasy in my world becomes reality? "

Another gunman from the USA heard voices that told him: "You have to kill all. You have to kill the whole world. "

According to Wikipedia: "The trigger of a rampage is a combination of an advanced psychosocial uprooting of the offender, the loss of professional integration through unemployment, demotion or transfer, increasingly experienced insults and partnership conflicts. "

After all, what Marijan tells about himself, he has few friends, no job, no partner, and he experiences his life as an insult, which becomes greater each passing dayl. Those looking for long enough, will realize that the template fits him.

The last meeting with Marijan is in the evening and takes place in a restaurant, again at a table away from the other guests. It is a warm evening, but Marijan sits down inside the restaurant, the place where no one else sits. He says that he wished that women have the right to vote taken away.

Then he says that he once tried to kill himself with sleeping pills, but one and a half days later he had woken up. His eyes light up with pleasure when he takes on the theme rampage. Then he unleashes the bad thoughts from his mind in the world. He says: "I will cause dissatisfaction. I want to make people angry. I do not think that I'm going to kill people. " After a moment of silence, he says: "I want to spread a little panic. "

He again starts talking about similar topics as on the first day, always it comes to women, and always it comes to himself, he says: "I've started to see women as the filth that they are. " A little later he says: "I do not like people."

This article attempts to explain about the Incel community and the research leads to different men, who identify as Incel. One dreams of to find a farm where Incels can live together. The farm dwellers could agree to import women from Mexico and divided them amongst themselves. One sat with radiant eyes in a small German town and told of how he overcame his fear of women by simply spending more time with women. He looked happy and said it was probably a good idea if the Incel forums were monitored by psychiatrists to ensure that the users can find professional help.

Another hopes to, finally, in his mid-twenties, to kiss a woman. A few of these men seem lost. Nobody seems dangerous. And in end it became clear that there is no Incel community. There are only a few lonely men.

Many men from the Incel community can simply find no partner and look for help on the internet. For them the forums can perhaps save them. For other men the forums offer the opportunity to cultivate their hatred in a group.

For 20 years, such people would remain in their hole, alone with their bad thoughts. Probably a man is difficult to love when he is full of hatred. While carrying these thoughts, it’s possible to want to kill everyone around you and yourself. The potential gunman becomes Incel. And not the Incel a potential gunman.

Elliot Rodger was in his mid twenties when he died, he had visited several therapists, he had been bullied at school, he had his own blog on the Internet.

Marijan is mid-twenties, he has visited several therapists, he was bullied at school, he wrote his own blog on the Internet. One was a mass murderer. The other meets with a journalist and eats chocolate cake.

Rodger left us with the question:

Why did six people have to die? There is no logical explanation. His 137-page manifesto that he wrote before he became a murderer, ends raving about the prospect of killing people. It shall be the punishment for not getting a woman who loves him. Rodger has named the work "My fucked-up world ". He writes that he will retaliate and punish everyone. The last sentence of the manuscript is as follows:

"Finally, I can show true value to the world. "And in the penultimate sentence Elliot Rodger, 22, a young man from California, who had his whole life before him writes: "And it will be beautiful."

Marijan wrote recently a new entry on his blog. He analyzed why he is lonely: "I finally understand the depths of madness and sexism in our society. All the betrayal, the whole heartless and horrible behavior of women were seen as my fault. That is hatred. "

^KrazyMatty^ #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

The fact that a reptilian race of beings has interfered with human society since the beginning of modern history (modern meaning past 6,000 years), and probably far beyond that, is also extremely evidenced (every major culture on Earth speaks of them, from the Sarpa who, according to Hindu history, founded Earth-human civilisation, to the Uktena of the Cherokee, to the Sheti of the Hopi, to the Riu and Long of Japan annd China, etc.)

The Iguana-People (Itzamna) of the Mayans, the Dragons (Long) of China and Japan (Riu), the Naga and Sarpa of India, the Anunnaki (a Reptilian race, but not the Draco) and Dragon-Gods (Draco Reptilians) of Sumeria and Babylon, the Chitahuri and Imanugela of Africa, the Serpent-People of the Zuni, Hopi, Anasazi and Blood Indians (among many others), the Uktena and Tlanuhwa of the Cherokee, the Dragons of Europe, etc.

The original royal families of Europe claimed descendence from Dragons. Ambrosius (Merlin) was actually Natanleod, a British king who was said to shapeshift into a dragon. Charlemagne was called "Le Chameleon", because of his combined Hebrew and ´Dragon´ descent, and his reputed ability to shapeshift into a ´demon´ or ´dracula´ (dragon-devil). The later Emperors of Rome used dragon-symbolism and were said to shapeshift into ´Dracul´ (dragon-demons), especially the Byzantine Emperors.

The early European peoples said that humans were made when a humanoid race (sometimes referred to as ´Elves´ or ´Alfheim´) was combined with the race of Dragons (Dracula in Latin), and this hybridisation of a humanoid race with dragons to create the Adam is a recurring theme in worldwide mythology. In India, the Naga were depicted symbolically as having the heads or upper bodies of humans and the bodies of serpents. The sages of the time often referred to this as meaning ´Above is the human, Below is the dragon (Sarpa)´, and a ´mingling of seeds´. This symbolically seems to refer to a reptilian DNA base with human DNA implanted. This is exactly what the human genome looks like, with reptilian DNA ´below´ and human DNA ´above´.

And of course the Reptilians are not the only alien race to have interacted with this planet.

In Egypt they speak extensively of the ´Gods´ who brought them knowledge from the stars, and of the Lion-People who came with them (The Kilroti). They speak of them as emanating from Sirius, the Dog-Star, which in Egypt was called Isis, named for their symbolic Mother Goddess.

In Africa, the Zulu shamans bear extensive esoteric knowledge of a race of reptilians who they say control the Earth--called the Chitahuri.

In Sumeria ten thousand tablets have been found and translated which refer to an alien race which created a race of humans to work as slaves in their mines in Africa (the exact same story appears in Africa, and there are goldmines in Africa estimated by the Anglo-American company to be over 60,000 years old).

In China and Japan underground bases where the Dragon Kings live are referred to, as well as the lineage of humans from a race of ´Dragons´. (there are also many other reptilian races referred to, such as the Kappa).

In Australia the aborigines speak of a reptilian race which lives underneath the Earth and secretly governs over men. The Aboriginal chiefs have spoken of going into the Earth where these beings resided. There they claim there is extensive technology. The Aborigines say that they are descended from a race of dragon-humans that once lived on an enormous continent that spanned the entire Pacific ocean, and that most of it sank beneath the waves in ancient times, but that Australia is a remnant of it, and this is why there are so many reptilian animals there.

In China, Japan, India, Europe, South America, North America, Australia, etc. the exact same description of a 7-level reptilian hierarchy recurs.

The highest Dragons are always said to be winged, and often this is divided into two castes, one being the Bird-Dragons and one being the Winged-Dragons (this is the case in Asia).

Beneath them are Dragons with horns but no wings.

Beneath them are the Dragons with no horns, but which are considered ´true dragons´.

Beneath them are the Dragon Children or ´Watersnakes´, a race of beings often described as lizard-like humanoids, but often symbolically depicted as watersnakes, giant serpents, etc.

The hierarchy in all 7 levels is usually as follows:

1) White, Winged Dragons (sometimes with feathers, and often with icy blue eyes) (usually with horns)
2) Winged Dragons (large, but featherless and non-white) (with horns)
3) Winged Dragons (usually with horns)
4) Horned Dragons
5) True Dragons
6) Warrior Dragons (expendable caste of warriors. usually described as largest caste population-wise, as Dragons are said to be a very belligerent race).
7) Lizard-Dragons (the Untouchables. Weak, small, skinny lizard-like Dragons)

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THE DRACO CASTE SYSTEM

In actuality, the Draco Caste System is as follows:

1) White, Winged Draco (Royalty)
2) Statesmen and Politicians
3) Religious Caste (Priests, Ritual Performers, etc.)
4) Warriors (pictured above)
5) Teachers
6) Workers
7) Drones (Lizard-like Reptilians under total mind-control who perform routine work such as abductions)

The Draco

The Illuminati, which includes 13 major Royal-descended families from Europe, were created by the Draco Reptilians.

The Royal family are not ´reptiles´, persay, but they do have more Reptilian DNA than most Earth-humans.

All humans on Earth have Draco and humanoid (Lyrian) DNA, but with a smaller percentage of Draco Reptilian than human. However, the Illuminati, created by the Draco, have a 50/50 split between human and Reptilian DNA, giving them the ability to shapeshift between the two forms as a result of many factors, including the incompatibility of human and Reptilian DNA. Mammals and Reptiles are not native to Earth. They originated on separate planets.

Only a small percentage of the Illuminati are shapeshifters, such as Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Philip (Duke of Edinburgh), Baron Guy de Rothschild, George H.W. Bush, David Rockefeller, etc. The rest are mostly people with a somewhat higher percentage of Reptilian DNA than usual which have been recruited by the Illuminati as a result of bloodline, lack of morals, what have you--everything the mafia would look for. Mafias in general are a Draco type of cultural creation, and most of the major ones are controlled by the Illuminati. Most intelligence agencies are as well, including the CIA, KGB ("FSB"), Mossad, etc.

In reality, there is not much truth to the idea of independent government in Europe or America anymore. These governments were always mafia/Illuminati controlled, but now it is far more centralised than before. Once, we had Hapsburg Illuminati infighting with Rothschild Illuminati. Now there is far more cooperation among the Illuminati because they know that the NWO is growing near.

The European Union is not as wonderful a thing as some uninformed people think it is. The United Nations is actually a very maniacal organisation geared at creating global government with totalitarian control. In working toward this ´dream´ of theirs, they have, among other things, distributed the AIDS virus to Africans as a means of depopulating the Black race, conquered over 90% of United States land through illegal action, murdered a team of their own scientists who were headed for a conference in Geneva regarding the AIDS virus/genocide affair, and had Kurt Waldheim, former Nazi SS soldier, as its Secretary General.

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In terms of the Draco, they are a Reptilian race originating in the Draco star system. They were the first colonists of the planet Earth. Earth was originally a totally marine environment, with shallow marshes and seas being the closest thing to land. The Draco then decided to make it part of their strategy to use this solar system as an entry point into the rest of the galaxy--a strategic place for a military base.

Therefore, they terra-formed Earth, creating a very large continent in what is now the Pacific, commonly known as Lemuria. This Reptilian civilisation developed quite a bit until the Atlans, a human group, invaded the Earth and created their own continent, which is now known as Atlantis. There is a lot of history to this, but eventually the two groups came to a treaty (after the destruction of both of their continents), and modern Earth-humans were created as a hybrid species between them, with the DNA of other alien groups and certain animals as well.

At the moment, the Draco have quite a grip on about 90% of this planet, even controlling most aspects of Earth-human civilisation through complete domination of all major intelligence agencies, governments and mafias.

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You will notice that an Amazonian shaman who is aware of Oneness and aware of his/her connection with the Earth would probably never go along with the New World Order, whereas a blonde-haired mall-going American is extremely likely to accept such a thing, both because of genetics and cultural upbringing.


It is possible because the Reptilians do exist, and are the most populous alien race inhabiting this planet at the moment. In their eyes, they own the Earth, as they were the first high-tech civilisation to colonise it circa 1 million years ago.

This is why reptiles and dinosaurs show up in the earlier paleontological record. Birds are a warm-blooded species that adapted to the mammalian energies of the Atlantean humanoids (Lyraens), who came later (circa 400,000 years ago).

Mainstream science´s view of paleontology is incorrect. Dinosaur footprints have been found with human footprints nearby, or even inside of them. Clearly the two species coincided.

Dinosaurs actually evolved on the Draco homeworld, and are the cattle and wild animals of the Draco, along with most reptiles (some were also brought by the Abbennakki). Mammals also originate off-world--mostly from the constellation Lyrae before civilisation there was destroyed during the Draco invasion, after which the Lyraens were forced to escape to the Pleiades, Arcturus, Aldebaran, Earth, etc.

Yes, the Reptilians have set in motion the Illuminati mafias as a means of manipulating this planet. An accurate source of information on the matter would be Stewart Swerdlow www.stewartswerdlow.com

Though I do not necessarily agree with everything that he says, for the most part he is an excellent source of information. I can confirm much of this from personal experience.

Princess Diana as a New World Religious Figure

Princess Diana was ritually sacrificed. Her programming was starting to break down, as was expected and planned.

She stopped hiding what she knew about the Reptilians, and yes, contacted Credo Mutwa as well as her psychic healer, "Christine Fitzgerald", who has since been threatened for revealing this information.

After her ritual sacrifice, she has become a religious icon of the New Age. This is all leading up to her future status as a saint of the New World Religion. This is really an excuse to bring back worship of the Goddess Diana.

Similarly, Ronald Reagan was ritually sacrificed, and his funeral service signified the death of America as we know it, heralding in the New World Order.

America will soon crumble economically and politically. The United Nations wil be called into "Restore Order". The United States will then be divided into two districts, Eastern and Western. The Eastern district will be Atlanta. The Western District will be Denver.

This is all planned to occur some time within the next 15 or so years--perhaps sooner. All depends upon what the Illuminati see as the appropriate times to initiate such events.

Sassy #conspiracy religionethics.co.uk

Personnel, who were concealed withing buildings and whom would not know if something filtered in to the studio.
So it isn't impossible. The Astronauts who trained for the first moon landing who were not selected all died in mysterious circumstances. One or two may have accidents but not the whole of those who trained except those who went to the moon.

When this had happened previously to the moon landing mission:-

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/31/24-why-did-so-many-apollo-astronots-die-mysterious-deaths-in-just-three-years-time/

Who would have thought it safe to speak out? So all this exposed in 4 years business is not good enough.
Apparently those who could really have exposed it, were murdered it would appear before they could tell anyone.
Given all those deaths and the fact one astronaut said just before he death..."

Then Challenger explodes after take off with a teacher on board who won the chance to go into space.
January 1986.
It is weird how people died mysterious deaths but was a good chance to stop members of the public going up.

WRONG: the arguments have not been dismantled. The examination of the moon rocks would have shown whether from earth now or a different planet but they disappeared suddenly. Even the Russians themselves do not really believe they made it to the moon. The experts who deny it happened are physicists and experts in their particular fields. Plus the Russian Scientist.
Within four years people were already denying the landing on the moon. It did come out.

Oh, so you think that I, Sassy am somehow by 'say so' a force against the landing on the moon. Such a childish and even worrying thought from you.
My belief is based on a few things including Scientist (those with the know how) you and I do not have.
There are other reasons and you have to work them out for yourself.
If man travels for 6 weeks away from the earth what would he really be able to see from that distant?
This was a time when we could not sent images any other way than by camera.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Hinduism is one of the Devil's religions! I say that kindly, but truthfully, because I care about you and don't want anyone to go to Hell when they die. The Holy Scriptures given through Israel have been proven accurate by historians, archaeologists, scientists, astronomers, and experts from nearly every field. Only a fool would ignore such overwhelming conclusive evidence of a divine Creator, God and Savior!

A demon's favorite activity is to make people feel comfortable in their religion, without ever being born-again by faith in Christ Jesus. And may I say, that includes every religion. No religion can take a person to Heaven. We are not saved by following a religion; but rather, by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ! According to John 3:3 (our text verse above) in the Holy Bible, God's inspired Words, a man must be born-again if he is to enter into the Kingdom of God. Clearly, as you will see, the false religion of Hinduism does NOT recognize the concept of being born-again in Christ Jesus. In fact, Hindus reject Jesus as being the Christ, the Savior of the world. Thus, Hinduism is diametrically opposed and incompatible with Bible Christianity. I say this, not to be unkind, but truthful.

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Biblically, Hindus are idolaters, because they worship a host of gods other than the true and living God of Israel (not the present-day Illuminati-controlled state of Israel, but true Old Testament Israel and Jehovah).  As you will discover in the following information from the New World Encyclopedia, Hindus worship umpteen different gods, none of them of which died on the cross for their sins as did Jesus Christ . . .

[...]

In sharp contrast to what Hinduism falsely teaches, the Holy Bible tells us that there is only One God, and He is the Savior . . .

The Holy Bible teaches in Isaiah 43:11, “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”

And again we read in Isaiah 44:6, “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Isaiah 44:8, “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”

Isaiah 45:5, “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.”

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.”

Hinduism is Satanic, because Satan uses such false religions to blind the minds of men (2nd Corinthians 4:4), to hinder them from seeing the simplicity that is in Christ (2nd Corinthians 11:3-4), so that they might be saved (Romans 1:16).

My intent is not to be unkind, but the reality is that the entire culture of India has gone down a path of apostasy and false religion. Instead of worshipping the God of Israel Who spoke the universe into existence by His omnipotent power, wisdom and words, they succumb to worshipping four-footed beasts. Here is one of my favorite Bible verses from Leviticus 11:3, “Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.” I like my steaks medium-rare! Amen! If Hindus want to stick a straw up Bessie the cow's vagina for a refreshing summer's drink, knock yourself out; but I'm having ribeye steak and a Coca-Cola for dinner! Needless to say, I won't be converting to Hinduism. Kindly, if you're involved in that satanic mess in Hinduism, please repent and believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ before it's too late. Life is short, eternity is forever!

Thomas1961 #fundie forums.carm.org

I guess courage was not distributed equally to all through the evolutionary process and money is needed to sweeten the pot for such an important topic to be publicly discussed.

Numerous articles by scientists have appeared in the last 10 to 30 years challenging various key aspects of the Darwinian theory.

700 scientists who dissent from neo-Darwinian evolution and have signed a statement of dissent “There Is Scientific Dissent From Darwinism. It deserves to be heard.” The list is growing and includes scientists from the US National Academy of Sciences, Russian, Hungarian and Czech National Academies, as well as from universities such as Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, UCLA, and others. (DissentFromDarwin.org) “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.” http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/links.php

The evolutionists know once creationism is acceptable and taught alongside evolution theories their house of cards crumbles. So they are fighting with all they have to prevent this.

The god that atheists don't believe in, does not exist, as many have noted they are arguing not against Christianity but their wrong view of it. It would be advantageous for atheists actually took the time to know the Christian worldview and what the Bible actually means, not just what it says before they leap into arguments against it. But if they did this they may risk conversion.

inverter #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

Because I know what the scientific "evidence" is but I just don't buy it. I believe that if evolution were true and we descended from apes, that is Man came from apes because we evolved from a lower into a higher being, then apes would have slowely died out. And why did all humans evolve in the exact same way? How did all the organs evolve and still work? You see all of the organs are needed to sustain life and if we came from one molecule, that one molecule needed the entire package in order to live. But to me science dosen't prove that molecules could have done that. Why isn't there half ape half man? Why don't some have wings? We could use wings, that would get us places faster and if evolution is true then maybe we would have evolved into that. I know that all seems corny and stupid to you, but its the little questions like that that just make evolution so unbelievable. Hey I didn't inherit Christianity and that was it. I looked at both choices and decided that A created world is much more feasable. That's just what I believe given the evidence. Evolution severly violates the law of non-contradiction. Which makes it an impossibility.
It shouldn't be a huge deal that people believe otherwise but scientists have a hardcore agenda and does not tolerate creationists. Which is silly and wrong, and to me hurts their case even further.

CruisingTroll #fundie patheos.com

So, the notion that there can't be any link between race and intelligence is about as anti-scientific as one can get. But hey, once they were willing to throw up that wall, then moving to the current gender madness was almost inevitable.

btw, I think one reason why the science community was so quick and willing to go along to with the "disfavoring" of research on race and intelligence isn't even a case of anti-intellectualism OR knuckling under to the attacks of "anti-racists." No, I think it was fundamentally more personal than that. For scientists and most within the "science community", intelligence is a core component of personal worth. It is an oft noted flaw among scientists, being jerks to the "less intelligent" simply because they're less intelligent. They, understandably, didn't want to consciously be party to something that would potentially cast vast swaths of humanity as "inferior." For most secular, hard core materialist scientists, it was even more difficult, because engaging the question of "human value" is mighty difficult when there is no soul of infinite worth. Best to avoid the matter entirely, which also means enforcing the avoidance upon others. The distinction between generalizations of race based on statistical aggregations versus the discrete characteristics of a single individual is cold comfort to those who with any awareness of history.

After all, the eugenics movement was "based in science."

This is why almost invariably the first and most frequent line of attack that the anti-intellectuals on the Left take against science that raises uncomfortable questions about humans and human nature is "you're attempting to dehumanize them, to denigrate them, etc". They take that line because that's what the possible conclusions say to THEM. Less intelligent = less of a person. Mentally ill (transgender) = less of a person. They KNOW this is the "logic" of their worldview, because they'll ardently articulate it when it comes to aborting a child with Down's Syndrome or some other birth defect. Combine that with their having gone all in on collectivism, and they recoil at the implications of research that would indicate any of their "favored" groups is flawed. This is why you'll see plenty of research, both real science and more commonly pseudo-science, into the collective flaws of men (toxic masculinity, anyone?) or "whites" or Christians, but rarely other groups.

For society, the continued rejection of reality is going to come at a high cost. For Christians, the foundation of scientific inquiry should be the fact that God created it all, and that each human soul is of infinite value.

MySweetLordJesus, aka VenomFangX #fundie youtube.com

[His video: "A simple way to prove the existence of God"]

If I promised to give you a chocolate bar after an infinite amount of time, would I ever give you the chocolate bar? No. Because we would never reach the moment when we could say "Okay, an infinite amount of time has passed, pay up the chocolate bar".

Next question: Could there have been an infinite amount of time before now? No, otherwise we would have never reached this moment in time. So we can conclude that time started a finite amount of time ago, [...] and before that there was no time.
Scientists say matter can't be created or destroyed. [...] So the question is: has matter always existed? And I'd say no, it hasn't, because we've already determined time didn't always exist, but you can't have matter without space and time. If you have matter, where do you put it -space- and when do you put it -time-?

So here's the problem: we know there wasn't always time, and thus we HAVE to conclude there wasn't always matter. [...] So we don't know what created matter, time, and space, fair enough. But what we do know about whatever it is that we don't know, is that it's immensely powerful, I mean there's lots of energy in this world and it had to come from whatever created it, so, immensely powerful, and extremely intelligent, because we can look around and see it created enough stuff to sustain life, create all the elements we need to go about our daily functions, breathe and eat, and all that amazing awesome stuff, so we can conclude it's awesomely powerful, incredibly intelligent, and suddenly the picture starts to, you know what I'm saying?

Ah, yeah. There's no way to argue this. There's nowhere else to go. I got you cornered. You can comment on this and say "Ah you're a fool, I don't believe in God", but, you know, you might have to change your beliefs a bit. Some people don't wanna believe in God cause that makes them accountable to their creator, and, they don't want to deal with it.
Check out my other videos to learn what God expects of you, and how to restore a relationship with him, I'd be happy to take you through it.

The World Should Change Because I Say It Should

If anyone wants to argue if this guy was not an eco-fundie, email Bite.Me@fstdt.net and your complaints will be addressed appropriately.

James J. Lee #fundie savetheplanetprotest.com

The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

Kashif N. Chaudhry #fundie huffingtonpost.com

Impressed by the Koran's call for scientific reasoning, I too adopted science as a career path. And the more I studied science, the more I grew in faith. Everything made sense.

Take the motions of the planetary bodies for an example. The Koran states:

"And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each gliding along in its orbit" (21:33).
This knowledge of planetary motion was unknown in contemporary seventh century Arabia. Although some Greek astronomers -- who had no contact with Prophet Muhammad -- had already suggested the earth were not stationary, the Koran's claim that all celestial bodies including the Sun were moving in orbits was an unprecedented one. This fact was not known for many centuries later. How did the Author of the Koran have this information? And who was this Author?

Take another example -- the Big Bang theory. This theory postulates that matter rapidly expanded from a state of extremely high density and temperature, violently exploding to mark the origin of the universe 13.8 billion years ago. As I studied the theory, words of the Koran came to my mind.

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We clove them asunder?" (21:30).
Reading this verse creates a picture of the Big Bang in one's mind. How did the Author of the Koran have this information 1400 years before the currently accepted theory on the origins of the Cosmos? Was He in fact the Creator He claimed to be? And what is even more interesting is the fact that this verse was addressed to non-believers, as if to convey a prophecy on who would tread upon this great scientific discovery of our cosmic birth.

As my interest in cosmology and basic astrophysics grew, I was even more bewildered. The universe, for far too long, was thought to be static, until scientists in the late 20th century stumbled on a landmark discovery. They discovered that the universe was in fact expanding at an accelerating pace. Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking highlights the significance of this finding in these words:

"The expansion of the universe was one of the most important intellectual discoveries of the 20th century, or of any century. It transformed the debate about whether the universe had a beginning. If galaxies are moving apart now, they must have been closer together in the past. If their speed had been constant, they would all have been on top of one another about 15 billion years ago. Was this the beginning of the universe? Many scientists were still unhappy with the universe having a beginning because it seemed to imply that physics broke down. One would have to invoke an outside agency, which for convenience, one can call God, to determine how the universe began."
This reminded me again of the words of The Koran.

"And the heaven We built with Our own powers, and indeed We go on expanding it." (51:48).
How did the Author of the Koran know the Universe was expanding? It cannot be denied that this Author was aware of the deepest secrets of the Universe - secrets that we are only learning about now.

The Koran mentions a lot more scientific truths that were not known to man over a millennium ago. For instance, we know today that life is dependent on water. This is exactly why we look for water as a surrogate marker for life on other planets. The Koran mentioned this fact:

"It is He Who has created man from water" (25:54)
And in verse 24:45, the Author of the Koran claims all life is dependent on water.

But then I was reminded of this verse in the Koran:

"Indeed, We created man from cohesive clay" (37:12).
How could life originate from water and clay at the same time? Which of the two was it? Was the Koran contradictory? Once again, Science provided the answer to my queries. In a paper published in the prestigious Nature magazine early last year, researchers at Cornell University proved that clay might have been the birthplace of life on earth. The researchers demonstrated the importance of confinement for biomolecules and biochemical reactions in early life evolution and suggested that early life evolution may have occurred in a clay hydrogel environment. I was left awestruck again. Life, as we understand it today, is indeed dependent on water and most likely originated in clay.

The more I pursued science with a religious zeal, the more I grew in faith. There was no option, but to agree that the Author of the Koran is - as He claims - the Creator of the Universe and the life it holds. For if not, how did He know about secrets of the universe and of our origin? Secrets that we have just begun to understand over a millennium after the revelation of the Koran.

Equally significant to me was the fact that not a single scientific principle the Author proclaimed had been proven wrong.

David J. Stewart #conspiracy jesus-is-savior.com

Before AIDS suddenly appeared in the 1980's, U.S. military officials had been requesting the need to develop a new biological weapon as early as the late 1960's. They wanted to create a virus cancer. Military scientists working alongside with cancer scientists developed such a weapon. AIDS first appeared amongst homosexuals in New York city after a year-long series of Hepatitis vaccinations. Africa was hard hit with AIDS as well. Doesn't it seem strange to you that AIDS just popped up from nowhere? It was created by the U.S. military.

I could go on and on about these things. The fact that our government would even create something as diabolical as Operation Garden Plot is extremely alarming. This program was developed during the Reagan administration as a means to imprison Americans in internment camps when civil war breaks out. I say "when," not "if." I'm surprised civil war hasn't broke out yet because of the Social Security scandal alone. Trillions of dollars have disappeared within our own government, never to be recovered or accounted for. Americans are already so weak and defeated that our government is getting away with these crimes and nothing can be done about it. All of the watchdog groups are making little impact. The average American citizen has become so complacent and indifferent that he or she doesn't really care anymore. It's been said, "The greatest problem in America is apathy, but who cares?"

Yes, martial law is coming friend. The U.S. government will use brainwashed young people to do their dirty work. Don't be surprised though when it's foreign soldiers in your face. Foreign troops have been training on American soil for many years now. The New World Order is already here. The microchip technology is here. Did you know that they can inject a microchip in you now using a syringe? It's smaller than you can see with built in nanotechnology. The chip can contains tons of information about you. It's going to be mandatory in our prisons. Every prisoner WILL be micro chipped like an animal, like it or not. I believe that we're seeing the beginning of the end folks. With all the nuclear bombs floating around this world...it's just a matter of "when." I'm not happy about this, but this is the truth as I see it.

Martial law will means the loss of our freedoms. There will be NO Bill of Rights. You will lose your rights. Even General Tommy Franks has said that the U.S. Constitution WILL be suspended if there is a terrorist attack in the United States. This is no conspiracy theory friend, I wish it were. This is reality!

Acyutananda #fundie disqus.com

Acyutananda:
I'll reproduce here a comment I made under the recent "Science/Philosophy Distinction" post:
The funny thing is that the scientists who say life doesn't begin at conception don't disagree about science with those who say it does. If they were all to sit around a table and discuss one point in time of human development after another, they would closely agree about the processes going on at each point.
They are disagreeing about nomenclature, about words. It's a semantic debate. If they were to agree to freshly coin all the words they will need for the embryology field, they could probably easily coin some words and assign them the definitions that will be most useful for their scientific purposes, and come to an agreement. But since they persist in using existing words, and existing words, such as "life" and "human," have associations with implications (implications which those scientists understand) for perception and private behavior and public policy, the scientists' nomenclature preferences will be underlain by their different philosophies, and a faction of scientists with one philosophy will want to use different words than a faction of scientists with a different philosophy. The pro-choice side will want us to view the scientific reality (upon which there is no disagreement) through a word filter that will make the pro-choice side look good and feel good, rather than a filter that will make the pro-life side look good and feel good.
Moreover, many existing words, including "life," have multiple meanings that simply invite the unscrupulous to obfuscate. For example:
"The final quote from Robert Wyman (a neurobiologist) makes the most bizarre claim I've ever seen a pro-choice person make. Life doesn't begin at fertilization, they claim, it began billions of years ago. And that is somehow supposed to show that we can't know when an individual human life begins."
I agree that that is what Wyman was trying to show. But to some extent he evades being caught and pinned to the wall, by applying what seems to be intentional obtuseness.
It would matter not at all whether viruses were alive if we didn't reify and virtually fetishize our own categories. A failure to answer that question (are viruses alive?) wouldn't prevent us from acquiring a finely-detailed, even god-like scientific understanding of viruses, if we're otherwise capable of acquiring it.
Just as knowing whether or not an embryo is a person, or a human being, matters not at all, as long as we understand what kind of life it would have if it lives, and understand that if we kill it, we deprive it of that life. Science.

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Acyutananda:
Bessie, I don't mind your lack of interest in the issue I raised. Thanks for at least not exhibiting misunderstanding of the issue.

ptpp #conspiracy catholicactionchat.com

So now we know the truth about global warming. All you have to do is Google 'pope Francis climate change' and you will find a host of news websites saying that this false pope supports man-made climate change.

He has finally come out in support of one of this century's extortion rackets and lies.

A member of the Rockefeller family started the lie of man made global warming during the 1990s. After the events of 9/11 died down, they had to kick-start the global warming scare, so that they could bring about a world wide Emissions Trading Scheme. So Al Gore was paid to travel the world with his Flying Circus Show, telling everyone that it was us who were the cause of global warming and not Nature, and that we needed an ETS that all countries would sign up to, which would then save the planet.

They almost succeeded in getting many countries to sign up to the Copenhagen Treaty, but when the fine print was actually studied, they found that all signatory countries would have to sign over their material wealth to a One World Governing Body, to distribute the wealth evenly among all nations, especially the third world nations.

It was only a ruse to bring about the One World Govt headed by the Abomination of Abomination himself. The Anti-Christ!

Of course all the big players balked at this and refused. Now they have devised a new one, called "Agenda 21."
Google it. It is frightening!
It was reported in 2014 that Barrack Obama was going to sign it without congress approval according to an article I read.

I digress. Back to the global warming lie.

Long before Al Gore flew around the world in a fuel guzzling jet that spewed lots of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, scientists had already proven that global warming and climate change not only happens regularly, it is also a naturally occurring phenomenon. And that we are due for another ice age soon, which could be hundreds or thousands of years away. It is coming though and there is nothing we can do to stop it, speed it up, or slow it down. It is part of this planet's life cycle and we have no bearing on its timing.

We are most definitely fouling our own environment, plus destroying ecosystems and wild life. The earth is groaning under the burden of this terrible sin and it will soon take action to rid itself of the parasites that are now doing it harm. In fact, I believe this is what is currently happening with all the natural disasters that we see in many countries around the globe.

It will be an interesting exercise to see how the N/O church handle's the fallout from this antipope's latest gaff!

CERNology #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

The Frightening Science What They Are Really Doing At CERN

I posted this in the CERN Earthquake thread and thought it might make a good thread of its' own.

First of all to hopefully simplify things for everyone: The Earth operates like a huge DC motor. Our planet, all the weather, the tectonic plates which float on magma and even more that I don't know about is electromagnetic. The magnetosphere receives it's energy from the Sun. We see that power all the time when we see huge storms, thunder, lightning little rain showers, and winds all over the Globe. Not to mention the magnetic ley lines all over the planet that are linked to government classified and occult technology dating back to at least the pyramids.

How do you think respected scientists are able to say that they can use HAARP to create weather anomalies, earthquakes and even some with real understanding say mind control with these atmospheric heaters (a.k.a. HAARP)? It is because our planet and every living thing on it is sensitive to anything screwing around with these EM fields. Our brains function electromagnetically at ELF's (extremely low frequencies) of around 10 Hz.

So at CERN they are taking two streams of lead-ions and releasing them in what they call bunches of trillions of particles with very very short intervals in between bunches.
They are doing this with two streams traveling in opposite directions. So, arguably what they are doing can be thought of as two streams of liquid lead traveling in opposite directions at **near the speed of light**.

Now here is the important point that you and everyone remotely interested in CERN needs to understand. They are propelling these particles at near the speed of light. And Though the thoughts and math change in both of Albert Einstein's General and Special Theories of Relativity, one important thing does not change.

The relativistic mass of each particle gets greater as the velocity increases toward the speed of light. The mass or weight of each particle relative to the observer increases toward infinity as the particle gets nearer and nearer to the velocity of light.

What this means is that the electromagnetic fields needed to just get these super heavy particles at speed is difficult to comprehend. Then you have to consider containing these two rings of liquid lead as they are only increasing in mass or weight as they get faster and faster. It is mind boggling.

Now consider that they were previously colliding protons and they were doing that at an angle. Now, protons weigh almost like nothing when compared to a whole atom of lead. And they were crashing them at an angle. They are colliding these lead ion particles head on and there are a lot more of them and the duration between groups of particles is so short that it almost may as well not be there at all.

So to sum up what is really happening. CERN scientists are misleading people about the amounts of energy being released. Before it was 13 TeV which others have said isn't a lot. Yes that is true but that was for a single collision of a proton at an angle. The reason that there have been physicists issuing warnings and conCERN about what they were planning to do at the LHC is because you have to multiply that 13 TeV by billions and trillions of ANGULAR collisions to understand that it is like trying to contain the energy of one of the Hiroshima or Nagasaki WWII nuclear explosions within a very small space and containing it electromagnetically.

The difference now is the energy releases of single collisions of lead-ions can be described in PeV (Peta Electron Volts). A PeV is 1000 times the energy of a TeV. So the energy projected to be released now is more than 100 times what it was previously published. Plus the collisions were at an angle before and now they are head on. In addition, there are far far more of them and in very very quick succession. Really no interval at all even in terms of time at the atomic level. I would have said in terms of time at the quantum level but time breaks down at the quantum level.

So now instead of billions and trillions of collisions, we are talking about trillions and quadrillions of collisions. I really can't comprehend how they have the technology to even build a machine that can contain these energies especially in light of what Einstein said about these particles getting heavier and heavier towards infinity as velocity increases.

Now I am not a theoretical physicist but I am an engineer and people tell me I am pretty smart. But with the little I do know about what they are doing, the technology they are using to do this must be super top secret Roswell type stuff. What they will not be able to prevent is what these electromagnetic fields that they are using are going to do to the Earth.

They scary part is, these super genius scientists themselves are readily admitting that they don't know what is going to happen. They have built the biggest machine the modern world has ever seen and they have adopted a wait and see attitude?

That's the kind of crap I used to do as 13 or 14 year old kid with gasoline and any other chemicals I could get my hands on! I know this is long and I apologize for that but to top it all off. They are openly occult. They are timing everything to the minute with occult dates and their freaking logo has 666 right there in plain sight.

Almost done Thanks for reading this far. I think I needed to vent!

99.99% of people don't know that the very first website was guess where? CERN. That is even though the Internet was created by DARPA, the first website of all websites operated at CERN of all places. That was 1980. This is a scary amount of long-term planning tied to CERN and the Internet. Final thought. Initially the Internet was awesome and it looked like freedom for ideas and thoughts and generally freedom for all. Now the Internet is the absolute opposite of that and it is the most diabolical scheme for population and mind control the world has ever seen.

Some have longingly said (Nazi evil humans have said) gee whiz if Hitler and the Nazis had only had the Internet.
Well now we have people in control that make make Hitler look like a sweet school girl in comparison.

I don't know what CERN is going to do. It really could be not much that we can physically see. It also could be very horrible. Both possibilities are equal in probability.
Ultimately with or without CERN though, we are heading to an evil end which appears more obvious and more ominous and inevitable with every world news cast each day.

Galactic Federation #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

I am Iris. I am a Mermaid. My words reach you through a channel chosen by me in order to communicate with our brethren from the surface.

I take long walks along some of your coasts, to feel the air that you breath going in and out of my lungs, just like you normally breathe. We can breathe air, but you cannot breathe underneath the water.

The Mermaids are capable of staying for a prolonged period out of the security provided by our seas, but when the sun dries our skin too much, we can suffer from a dangerous dehydration if we do not quickly wet our skin. That’s why we normally walk on the rocks and cliffs of the mainland during the night time hours, when the sun doesn’t shine and dry our bodies. It also helps us go more unnoticed by you, for at that time everybody sleeps.

We know that many among you, well, the majority, would treat us well; but there are still some in your surface world that would capture us to study our physical bodies or to exhibit us in aquariums, like they do with many marine and oceanic species. We would become strange creatures that people would pay to see. They would not care if we lost our freedom, if our captivity would satisfy the curiosity of your scientists or provide revenue to your aquariums.

The incomprehension and egotistical interest amongst some of you is what prevents us from getting to know each other openly, and for the two races (the submarine and the terrestrial) to become friends. That is exactly the same reason why our brethren from the Stars has not contacted anyone of the surface yet.

But they have done so with us; and in fact, we visit them frequently in their transoceanic bases each time we go by their “scientific” emplacements. They are very loving beings who receive us and look after us with much love, a profound respect and with much joy. They open for us their enormous domes so that we can come in and talk with them. They are travelers from other worlds, and even other dimensions, and they are used to contacting beings of all kinds.

The day that your world changes and you open the communication with beings that are different from you, then you will be able to contact our brethren from Space and also us.

Until then, we await that moment. Meanwhile, we will have to be satisfied with communicating with you through those who already have such talent, who have been born with a mission to become intermediaries, even in a hostile and distrustful world towards those who are not like them.

punkrocker71 #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

while the earth was young it was covered with water. the flood happened while the earth was young. my source was the discovery channel. and everybody knows thats what scientists think anyways. thats why there are so many expaditions to go look for lost ships of the flood and stuff like that."

"yes i do admit that the colarado river does do erosion to the canyon but i and many others believe that the river couldnt have eroded that much i 6,000 years. and the canyon is very high. the river was not that deep at one time to have washed out the top and bottom of the canyon. it would have only eroded the bottom."

"whatever. continental drift. its hard to believe thats how all these fossils of things that were way at the bottom of the ocean have been found up there. but believe what you want. i dont care.

Prometheus #fundie answers.yahoo.com

[someone asked if there was any proof of a "firmament" having existed]

hold on a minute, this is not a ridiculous claim, and you should give your mother more credibility since she has more experience in life ! Things that you are taught in school and which you read in the popualr media are not always true. I know this to be a fact since I have done years of research in this and other fields.
\ First of all there is no "proof" one way or the other and none will ever be found. However there is a ton of evidence, as I will explain.
I have looked into this matter and researched. it There is strong evidence for example that there was a great flood of which the Bible speaks and which incidentally is recorded in many cultures around the world, not just the Bible. It seems very likely that the flood occurred as a result of a global catastrophic climate change . This was the end of the ice age about 12,500 years ago. Before this great flood the sky was different and no sun or Moon could be seen - just a massive cloud cover.
The great climate change occurred due to some great Earth changes whcih altered the currents of the oceans worldwide. The ocean currents also reciprocate by influencing th climate. The jets streams are also very important in climatology.
This climate change is thought that this was due perhaps to a global 'volcanic winter'; which was triggered by many volcanoes going off at once around the world. This is a very long and complex story and there are many factors to be considered. Remember that the Bible says in Genesis that "the world was barren and laid waste"... this is precisely what would occur in this scenario.
Read up on the Siberian flats or the Deccan Flats for exam,ple. The Siberian Flats is an area in Siberia as big as the continental USA which is covered with volcanoes . The depth of the lava over this entire region is abvout 5000 feet (one mile). There is much to learn about the ancient history of the Earth. and I cant include it all here.
There are even Western scientists who do believe that there was an atomic war on this planet long ago. The evidence can be seen in the rock layers. In fact this is commonly believed in the Hindu philosophy / religion.

Source(s):

research Bible, history, geology, paleontology, climatology, mythology, etc..

Angel #fundie amazon.com

[Can't you see how convoluted this explanation is? You're beginning with your conclusion and working backwards, which is the method used by a believer and not a scientist.]

I am stating my conclusion to you, and working backwards. When I thought of this process, I worked forward in a step-wise manner.

All pieces of the puzzle must be carefully examined if you are initially given a completed puzzle.

As an example, Einstein may have been working on Energy and he may have calculated the product of mc^2 first.

Knowing the product and knowing the weight of the matter he was working with, Einstein may have calculated backwards to find "what value" times that amount of matter would give him that amount of Energy.

Therefore, working backwards, Einstein may have played around with the equation until he found speed of light squared was the missing link.

Or Einstein may have known the speed of light, but that value did not work in his equation. Einstein, therefore, may have doubled the speed of light and that didn't work either, and as a result of a few failures, he may have ultimately squared the speed of light. Once Einstein squared the speed of light that solved his problem. Einstein easily could have worked backwards.

Having the value for the speed of light squared, Einstein then would have been able to show E = mc^2.

Yet, Einstein may have found his formula by working either forward or backward.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

If our scientists had been around a few million years longer and had discovered why evil abounds and cured us of it, giving all those who would follow their laws everlasting life...things might now be very much different and we would have a little better understanding of what universal wonders surround us...as it is we must rely on an authority that already has all this knowledge.

If I wanted to move a planet I would now know that electrical/gravitational forces could be adopted though I wouldn't have a clue where to start...well...that's not entirely true...the evidence suggests that by interfering with the magnetic field that surrounds the planet we could submerge it into a gravity free zone...and every report of every ufo substantiates this claim.

Angyl #fundie rr-bb.com

Excellently put!! Don't you people see it?... I'm sure you'll want to try to deny that's the truth but your words would be a lie and I'm sure you know it. We're called primates and animals by scientists as a part of the evolution ploy and scheme. It is debasing the way it is meant, degrading, and completely unagreeable... Once again, we AGREE that there are similarities between us and apes. Doesn't give you the right to call me an animal, though anymore than the similarities between me and a garbage truck give you the right to call me a car.

onehuman #conspiracy abovetopsecret.com

So, I got to thinking while I was at work just driving around about this Mandela Effect that seems to all of the sudden be a bit of a hot topic. A curiosity at least. People seem to think it may be involving some sort of time line changes. At least that is one theory being put forth.

While I don't think things such as company logos are really proof, though I must admit some I do remember being the "original" way, I still believe they can just be a case of simple company updates or new and improved changes they think will look better.

On the other hand we have many people including myself remembering certain people having died only to find out nope, they just died today kind of thing. Oddly enough Mandela himself is one of these people.

I don't feel I have to go in any great depth about all this. Anyone that is reading this to begin with I'm sure is well aware of what the Mandela effect is all about.

Which leads me to what I got to wondering about and hence here we are in Skunk Works.

What if we have figured out the time travel thing. Perhaps we are still in our infant stages of it. Maybe even a little more advance than We know. What if some of the practice or test jumps had little boo boos occur. Just enough to cause little ripples that we on our side are beginning to notice. We just don't realize what it is we are noticing for what it really is so we just call it the Mandela Effect.

Any syfi fans that have watched any kind of time travel movies, or any scientist that has studied it will be the first to know how coming into contact with one wrong thing on a jump can basically cause something like the Butterfly Effect over time. At some point in the discovery of time travel somebody has to test it. I doubt it would be perfected on the very first try.

I don't think it is much of a reach to believe some government is working on this, and I'm sure we would be the last to know about it if they have figured it out. Then again maybe the answer to that has been staring right in the face for awhile now. Easy enough to laugh at the Mandela Effect as it is UFO believers , or Conspiracy Theorists.

Lord Secutor #fundie rebelbasers.com

Carbon 14; ha ha ha. The Carbon Dating Method is itself based on guesswork. O.K., so they test a rock and say it's 4,000 yrs old(give or take 10,000 yrs). Does anyone have any way to dispute that measurement? No, there was nobody alive 4,000 yrs ago who is still alive today. So is there any way to prove the measurement correct? No, there's no way to confirm that anything tested this way is accurate. If it's wrong, who's going to know? When you can go back in time and get proof that the rock was made 4,000 yrs. ago, then you can call it concrete evidence. Other than that 'scientists' are just iterpreting the clues as best they can(or how they want them interpreted). Fossils; remember the Great Flood? I have a theory of my own here. That much water covering the entire Earth in that short of time then receding also very quickly could do the same things to the land as glaciers moving slowly over centuries. In my opinion, no Ice Age. Also, many animals died at that time. Dinosaurs? Maybe. GOD never said that all the animals taken aboard the Ark would make it to our time. They could have gone extinct since then. Job (in the book of Job) writes about seeing something that could be interpreted like a dragon. Sulfur coming out of it's nostrils, very large. He did not say that it was a vision, so it could have been a real animal. The stories and legends have to start from somewhere.

Umm_Hanzalah #fundie ummah.com

"I'm not interested in fossil evidence. Anyone can make stuff like that up...as we know many of these fossil evidences and bones have been proven to be fake. I'm just fascinated at the fact that these atheist scientists claim to be more logical than those who believe in God and yet fail to show transitions of species that are alive. For if they were telling the truth, transitions of living species would be observable.

I stick by my belief that the theory of evolution's origins lie in racism and atheism, despite what the political beliefs of todays evolutionists may be.

The reason why I say that atheists grow in arrogance when studying the creation is because by studying the intricate details of this beautiful creation, (which is in wonderful working order) it should humble them to acknolwedge that there is something greater than them (i.e. The Creator), but instead they marvel at their own so-called 'intelligence' and reject The Creator and grow in arrogance regardless of which 'top' university they may be at."

MercyBurst #fundie christianforums.com

[No credible scientist, writing a scientifically credible paper would refer to things like "the consequences of the lifestyle" as if homosexuals are a monolithic and homogenous community, joining which would entail certain, predictable consequences.]

Most every literate person knows the consequences of the lifestyle such as STDs and mental illnesses. .

Watergaia #fundie youtube.com

(In a discussion about the bible saying bats are birds)

"yes, i would probably say that a whale is a fish. dolphins are also fish, i mean duh...? they look like fish, kinda like sharks, and sharks are fish, as far as i know."

"everything is made of the 4 elements. fish are mostly water element, whales are a combination of water and air."

(quote non-creationist) The ancestors of whales and dolphins was a land-living walking creature which slowly returned to the sea.(end quote)

"lol, what a fairytale... a land? animal turns into a fish."

(quote non-creationist) Just because something looks like something else does not make it the same.(end quote)

"it depends on how you choose to define things. if scientists definitions were good, religious people would not disagree with them."

Sweden as a bad example #fundie randalolson.com

>Look at the comments for more than a second and you’ll find a good amount of explanations for the trend seen here.

Yes, you can explain it all away. Just like Star Trek fans and bible worshipers explain all Snafus and inconsistencies away.

That’s what White Knights in science do, too.

“Oh, it’s not female inferiority, it’s just because X, Y and Z”.

Yet study after study comes in and it shows a clear pattern: Women are inferior. No amount of White Knighting can help you with that.

>Cherry picking random “tests” in which women perform worse is a hilarious tactic; men also have much higher rates of dyslexia, why not throw that in as another inferiority of women?

I know that men are more represented at the lower ends of tests, but that is misleading.
First of all homeless men do not balance out the billionaires.
And second: Even the retards are useful and can dig a hole. And who cares what the IQ of George Michael is? Even if George Michael had an IQ of 80 he would still be a good music composer.

Women on the other hand (even the high IQ females) are nearly always worthless, and if they are not worthless then they have less children, hence are detrimental to the gene pool of future generations.

>I also love how you have decided that facial recognition is clearly something only needed for child care.

Which I never stated.

I stated that the nearly the only tests in which women outperform men are tests that are needed for baby handling or cleaning or similar.

Women are designed by nature to be less intelligent (too much brain power wastes energy needed for lactation etc) and are designed to stay at home and do monotone tasks like cleaning babies and cooking.

So to clarify my statement: Women are not inferior as such, just as men aren’t superior as such. Women are SUPERIOR baby washers, lactators, floor cleaners etc. and men are inferior baby handlers, but are superior scientists, artists etc.

Women’s desire to sleep more, to suffer from scoliosis, to be more cowardly, to be less intelligent, to have weaker bodies, to have periodic belly cramps and so on are actually superiorities because they help women to be better stay-at-home moms.

I. R. Coon #racist niggermania.net

Well, back from my "exile". As what I mentioned in some of my posts, I work for an Antarctic research program as a field guide. And than in the Nordic winter, I work in Antarctica, a White continent, and... nigger free. But also here, divershity is slowly rearing its Ugly head. Here is one of my experiences.

In November, I took the MOD (RAF) flight from Brize Norton, to the Falklands, to board the ship that would bring me to my destination, a research station on the Antarctic Peninsula. But, when I came on board, I encountered this sow, who seems to be the token niggeres of the "Survey". I kept my distance, not wanting to be involved with its antics. It showed all the shenanigans of a typical nigger (TNB): obnoxious, egoistical, thinking it knows all, telling it has a higher positions than what it was etc etc.

As an example: One of the luxuries we have: we can drink alcohol on board, but one time the beakers (Scientists) had a party, and that went quite wrong, result: a few days no beer in the bar. So result: the sow, which had a bottle of whine, entered the lounge, with a smug smile on its mug, from: "look at me, i've has whine 'n shite" and starting to drink it, while we had to do it with soft drink. With other words: how to irritate people.. Another example: it was working for estates, but it presented it self as Head of estates...

Seasickness and other "important" stuff. We had gash duty, which meant that on a rota, we did some small cleaning onboard, like restocking the bar, helping the catering crew while we are on board. And with this sow, it happened a couple of times, that it felt seasick and didn't had to do it's gash duty. So, I managed to survive that beast on board, and was really looking forward to the season. The only big shock for me was yesterday, after a couple of months, nigg free, when I arrived in London: niggers everywhere, so that is a some culture shock than.. Glad I'm back in Llanberis..

Some TERFs #sexist reddit.com

Re: Where Does Organized Male Evil Come From?

I just got finished reading this article about the rapes of Rohingya women and the persecution and slaughter of their people: http://www.thejournal.ie/rohingya-rape-3745266-Dec2017/

I know it's not uplifting to read this stuff, but it's also important not to turn away.

I want to know what causes such organized male evil. It doesn't matter whether it's a dispute over territory or religion or ethnicity, it is men who do this in an organized fashion. It has always been men.

Is it as simple as "patriarchy?" Silvia Federici's Caliban and the Witch describes the creation of capitalist evil through the weaponization of men and male sexuality, the formal institution of patriarchy, the enslavement of women, and the colonial/imperial ventures of the new world order.

Although it's true almost no corner of the human world has gone untouched by the Western project of colonialism and imperialism, other cultures have their own ancient histories of warfare, bloodshed and male rule that predate Western history.

I know the advent of agriculture and the dawn of land ownership have been cited as the reason for growing institutionalization of patriarchy and subjugation of women and expansion of territory--but really--I struggle to understand how men can commit such horrific atrocities in an organized fashion. If women ruled the world, would we do this? Would we?

I have never given much credence to notions of biological determinism and I still don't; if men are like this by dint of nature as well as nurture the power of human socialization can change them. So far is has mainly been used to cement these violent, hierarchical tendencies it seems.

I just never used to believe there could be this fundamental difference between men and women where under the right circumstances men could join together to commit such atrocities in a way that women wouldn't. Is it because women have been stripped of their power that we don't see them band together to exercise it in such horrific fashion? Or is there really a fundamental, biological difference between us that makes men more susceptible to committing violence?

I also struggle with the connection between sex and committing violence so often seen within cultures and among mostly male individuals across the world. Is it male or is it masculine?

(anxietyaccount8)
No it's not just as simple as patriarchy. I once believed that but now I don't. Men really are just more violent than women. Male sexuality is also very different than female sexuality (in general) and I don't think anybody could have socialized me into being interested in some of the crazy things they are interested in.

I think that the reason a lot of people dismiss these claims is because they are reminded of evolutionary psychology, which for the most part is not very scientific at all. But the thing is that just because things like "women are naturally better at cooking" are BS it doesn't mean that everything that sounds like evopsych is wrong. For example we know that male and female animals act differently. We know that males and females have different body types, hormone levels, and different ways of reproducing. Would it really be so insane to suggest there are mental differences too?

Now to be fair, I am not really sure if this is true, and none of us will be sure unless we have substantial evidence, but this is my personal theory. It just feels really obvious to me.

(Unabashed_Calabash)
This was my point to another poster. To what extent can the behavior of other mammals, including our closest relatives chimpanzees and bonobos (pygmy chimpanzees) be interpreted to reflect on our own?

Not only the male correlation of sex and violence but specifically the far greater incidence of male sexual fetishes (about the same as the disproportionate ratio of male vs. female violence, 10 to 1) causes me to believe there's something more than socialization going on here. Scientists who study human sexuality say it has to do with a more intense focus from males as a group on sexuality in general, heightening fetishes. But how often do you hear of women who like to pretend to be baby boys and wear diapers? (Seriously?) And like to be burped and breastfed and rocked to sleep? (I would really like formal studies of how often these bizarre fetishes occur in males as compared to females. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a result of porn and therefore male domination arising from social reasons because how much of porn is men pretending to be infant girls and breastfeed? Please don't tell me).

I am not saying this to be in favor of gender or against it. "Gender" as we know it is a social construct. Any innate evolutionary differences in the sexes--say, of violent vs. pacifist, or systematizing (from, say, hunting more often than women in most prehistoric societies) vs. integration (from the greater social relations of gathering and building)--need not be our fate if detrimental. We are highly social animals almost entirely at the whim of our socialization, which has been civilizing in some respects but in others greatly lacking.

I agree that just because evolutionary psychology has become a crutch of sexist males it does not mean absolutely none of it is true. It's more important than ever we separate the wheat from the chaff.

(anxietyaccount8)
Right, and it's important that people recognize radical feminism's criticism of gender actually does not contradict this existence of innate differences. We are all born into a society where we have to follow prescribed gender roles, and this social construct bleeds into all aspects of our lives and causes differences of its own. If some differences are innate this social construction makes them much more prominent and worse.

Also it doesn't mean that there is a distinct male or female brain, or that trans people really do have the brain of the opposite sex. Even if, hypothetically, a trans woman did actually act in ways that women are biologically supposed to, they are just proving that there is variation and a male can be that way too.

(Unabashed_Calabash)
Lol at the downvotes. I also don't understand how butthurt men get about this subject. It is quite clearly true (unless you prefer "violence" to "evil" because you don't believe in imposing moral values on human actions), and I am merely asking why and where it comes from.

Humanity will never change until men reckon with their own and their fellow men's actions.

(bigoltreehugger)
Ew. So many men came in caping for other men in response. I miss the days when this sub didn't have as many dudes hanging around. I'm sorry I can't engage your question properly but I just wanted to say that I've always appreciated your input on this sub.

(descending_wisdom)
fundamental biological differences. Sexual selection theory easily explains male violence. Watch some videos on organized warfare in some troops of chimpanzees.

(sunscreenonface)
Gonna leave this write up from notcisjustwoman here:

"Patriarchy pre-dates both the agricultural revolution and hunter-gatherer societies, because the basis of the oppression of women, indeed the very basis for oppression itself, is rape.

Male animals have been raping female animals since before the first humans, or even the first primates, appeared on earth. Events like the agricultural revolution codified male oppression of women into a more organized system, and religion has evolved over time to become an enforcer and moralizer of male violence, but neither of things things created patriarchy. Patriarchy began the first time a man raped a woman, and instead of being beaten to death by her tribal/family group, he was rewarded with fathership of her children.

It’s not comfortable even for most radical feminists to see this full and complete scope of the history of patriarchy, because it means that things are much more complicated than mere socialization, but it is a brutal truth we must confront in our analysis."

To expand upon this, here's a previous write up I did once I'd read notcisjustwoman's blog:

"I don't think this will make anyone feel better, but I've recently been thinking a lot about the various species of animals across this earth that have been known to rape...and it turns out most animal species have some form of rape. Ducks, squirrels, dolphins, dogs, gorillas, etc. all have observable males who rape and aggress females.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that aggressive males who rape will pass on their aggressive traits to their offspring that are conceived via rape. I don't think it's a stretch to say that male homo sapiens might be more likely to aggress and rape females since they inherited a tendancy towards violence from their male ancestors who were conceived via rape. (Reminder: I could be completely wrong about this!)

Does this make rape ok? NO!!!! Even if rape and aggressive sexual behavior is 'natural', 'natural' does not instantly equal something good or beneficial for a species. Homo sapiens dying of tooth decay at 22 is quite natural, but it's horrific and traumatizing for everyone involved.

All I'm saying is my understanding of men's GLOBAL and CONSTANT violence toward women became easier to understand once I started to think about sexual violence as an issue often found in primate species and not as something completely 100% culturally-bound.

Here's a link to a tumblr write-up that spawned my thoughts on this: http://notcisjustwoman.tumblr.com/post/175761393959/what-is-good-for-the-gander-is-not-always-good-for#notes

(Unabashed_Calabash)
I've read about the extremely complex history of rape among animals of all kinds (they have highly evolved methods of rape--an actual sexual arms race between males and females, as females also evolved to try to avoid rape--in fact, some believe the reason we walk upright is because women first stood up to avoid greater vulnerability to gang rape from behind, and that these gang rapes were so violent many of the females of our prehistoric ancestors who did not stand up did not survive). The species in which pair-bonding and good fatherhood are the norm are not the norm.

There's a reason that male sperm in all species is a complex chemical cocktail. In humans it's designed to lull/drug the mate and bond females to males even at their own expense.

My gut feeling and experiences tell me notjustciswoman is right.

There's a reason rape as committed by men is so normalized and also so easy for men to commit. Behavioral scientists have discussed the not-so-mythical "rape switch" and posited that all or most men have one.

Reading stories of men's mass raiding/raping parties, I'm inclined to agree. (My own experience aligns with this as well. I have actually witnessed a man struggle with his own desire to rape when confronted with a woman highly vulnerable to it. He had a low "rape threshold" certainly, but I don't actually think it's all that unusual. I think human men--because human beings can feel remorse and regret--may struggle with what they have done or the harm they have caused, if society or the victim force them to reflect on this, but they still did it and wanted to do it anyway). Neither the normalization of rape nor its prevalence despite official messages all over the world that it's wrong would be so common if rape were not somehow natural to the males of this species.

I remember an author saying "we cannot deal with violence until we admit uncomfortable truths, such as the thrill of war." The same is true of rape/sexual abuse; there's no way we can combat it without understanding it, and understanding why some men like to do it even when it's officially discouraged, or why men as a class can be easily encouraged to commit it under the right circumstances, is, I think, important if we ever hope to combat it.

(And yes, the history of conquest and invasion in our species is the history of rape. There's a reason so many men in the world carry the same Y chromosome).

nagius #fundie ubuntuforums.org

["How on earth is belief in God the default? Infants don't have a belief in God until they're taught to believe in God by their parents or someone else. Would you say that belief in pagan woodland spirits is the "default" as well?"]

Who told the parents and some else?


Infants don't know any better, and even if no one tells them they will come (later in life) to the conclusion that there is a creator if they search deep in reality.

Don't you see that most humanity has come the logical conclusion without God say anything.

You are the one in a fantasy world were there is no proof of no creator, if there is no creator there is no beginning in time.


Scientist and many philosophers agree time is finite and there was a beginning in time, meaning that after all there is a creator. Someone higher that ourselves, and this is just I of the reasons to believe. Why is there any doubt because you have not seen God? Of course you have because you are alive!!


You can also be taught not to believe. Is the world round ? sure it is. have you seen it? no. only in pictures.

Jon Rappoport #conspiracy jonrappoport.wordpress.com

2.3% of kids in Los Alamos public schools don’t get vaccinated. Their parents have received exemptions.

That’s the highest rate of non-vaccination in the state.

We’re talking about parents who work at the US Los Alamos Labs.

People with advanced degrees in science.

People who work for the federal government.

You would think the vaccine rate in that environment would stand at 100%, no questions asked.

What do these people know? Why are they opting out of vaccinations for their kids?

Those are hard questions to answer. Very hard.

Hmm, let’s think. For example, have they done some actual research on their own, and have they decided that vaccines are unsafe and ineffective?

No, that couldn’t be it. Of course not. Who in his right mind would come to that conclusion?

It must be this: these sober PhD federal scientists are being driven into fear by wild-eyed anti-vaccine lunatics. Yes. That’s it. Of course.

Kevin #fundie forum.myspace.com

Carbon-14 dating of fossils is based on the amount of C-14 found in that fossil, the more C-14 found in a fossil, the younger it is supposed to be; if very little C-14 is found, then it is supposed to be very old. It's as simple as that. The problem is, however, it is ASSUMED by Carbon-14 daters that the C-12/C-14 ratio in the atmosphere reached a steady state millions of years ago; in other words they ASSUME the amount of C-14 being produced in the atmosphere has been the same as the amount of C-14 decaying or leaving the atmosphere for millions of years, therefore the amount of C-14 in the atmosphere is ASSUMED to have been a constant amount for millions of years.

Unfortunately, for evolutionary-minded people, there is not one shred of EVIDENCE to support that ASSUMPTION; the only way to prove that the C-12/C-14 ratio has been the same for millions of years as it is today is to test something living today that is known to be millions of years old [such as a tree with a million tree rings], but we know there's nothing living today even remotely approaching such ages.

Evolutionary scientists have calculated that it would take 30, 000 years from the beginning of the earth to reach a steady state or constant amount of C-14 in the atmosphere. Measurements taken recently by nuclear chemists Fairhall and Young suggest that the amount of C-14 being produced in the atmosphere is as much as 50 per cent out of balance. By these measurements we would have to conclude according to evolutionists' very own calculations that the earth is much less than 30, 000 years old since the C-14 in the atmosphere has not yet built up to that steady state.


Perhaps, these are just a few of the reasons that the late Stephen Jay Gould, for many years America's foremost evolutionist, always refused to debate any creation scientists.

Hope #conspiracy thecallofthebride.com

Hey guys, I had an epiphany today! It occurred to me that when the veil is ripped due to CERN...THAT is the time we could see Nibiru! I could be wrong, I'm not a scientist or even knowledgable about what's going on. When I try to learn by watching documentaries, I get angry when they leave God out...so I am not a student of science. But I do recall reading in more than one place that Nibiru isn't really a planet...it's not really a true star like our sun. I tend to believe that... because God can create anything He wants and we already know there are creations of His that we know nothing about such as the hosts of Heaven in their varied states.
So is Nibiru "hidden" until such a time as the veil is ripped, the colors in the sky start, and we suddenly see this 2nd sun where none was there before? I know people see glimpses of Nibiru now and then but we are seeing through a glass darkly when it comes to other realms. It is ironic that both us as Christians AND the scientests as CERN believe in other dimensions! HA! It does make logical sense that Nibiru is close but hidden because already something tugs at our gravity, causing the volcanoes and sinkholes and the dead animals, etc. So what a shock for us to wake up one day and see a 2nd sun. This would cause fear to melt men's hearts...not a far away speck that comes closer, but a sudden appearance of the Destroyer! What do you guys think? Could CERN be the key that unlocks our view of Nibiru? We've been told this is the season of "suddenlies"!!

n2motocross #fundie scary-kittencat.livejournal.com

[Edited my ownage out of this. I'd like to see what you guys think of this fucktard]

Well congratulations of working toward your computer degree offered from The Univ. of Phoenix Online.

Liberalism is a mental disorder:

Liberals support:

Ripping babies from the womb ie: partial birth abortion.
Animal rights....... but no rights for the unborn.
Homosexual marriage. I guess you don't know what happened to Rome.
Multi-culturalism......... A nation of tribes.
Euthanasia.....ie : Terri Shiavo
Pornography.
Socialism
Oppressive taxation
Welfare for the able-bodies
needle exchange programs for drug abusers
Muslims, Buddhism, Hinduism, Wiccans.....but have hatred toward Christians
Oppose War....even if it meant our own destruction. But care more about how we are liked globally.
Global Warming.......21,000 Scientists worldwide disagree
Environmental treaties that would destroy the U.S. economy.......but exempt China. ie: The Kyoto protocol.
Condoms on cucumbers....public school sex ed.
Obama, even after knowing his associations with known terrorists. ie: Ayers and Dorhn
But, demand any Republican be removed from office with even the slightest contact with anyone they don't approve of.
Overlook voter fraud, except when it is on the other side.
Fairness doctrine: Air America failed because no one wants to hear emotional whining so they want to penalize conservative talk radio and force the broadcasters to employ liberal views.
Radical Islam just because they hate George Bush.
ACLU
NAACP
AFL-CIO
Urban league
HUD
Trail Lawyers guild.

I could go on...... but I'm tired of typing.

David B. #fundie news.yahoo.com

[In response to an article that explains what it was that wiped out the dinosaurs.]

Oh give me a break. 1) NONE of these 'scientists' knows with any degree of certainty that the earth is even that old!
2) an asteroid had nothing at all to do with anything like this on this planet. It was a global flood that did in the dinosaurs. It's been proven.
3) the Earth, at best is near 8-9 thousand years old, not millions.
4) HAD an asteroid hit this planet, it would NOT be in the kind of perfect orbit it is that sustains the life it does. It would have knocked us out of that orbit, not left it alone on the exact axis tilt we are on, at the rate of speed we are, on the orbits around the sun that we are.
College educated idiots is what they are...

1humblesheep #fundie rr-bb.com

Science is a fraud!!! the Bible is 100% truth

The dictionary describes science as "a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws"
I define it as "a desparate ploy to discredit the Bible." I ask all unbelievers, "why, why does everything have to be proved!" Can't something just happen without us needing to "see" solid proof before we believe it. We're supposed to lead by faith. Is it such a hard thing to do. Even Thomas, upon seeing Jesus for the first time after being resurrected, didn't believe till he placed his hand and fingers in His wounds.
The biggest thing I can think of right now, that not even scientists can explain, is when dinosaurs lived. 65 million years ago. Not even close. Genesis says that the Earth started being created 5 days before man was created. Beasts of the Earth and man were made on the same day. Dinosaurs would seem to fit in there somewhere, hmmm? "But the layers of the Earths crust have formed over millions of years?". You don't say?. Maybe, just maybe, God intended to make it that way to confuse people. His way of saying "Live by faith, or live by proof." It's not that hard to imagine that dinosaurs and man lived cohesively. But after sin entered the world, they started to turn on humans. God knew it wouldn't turn out good for humans, and eliminated them. If he could do anything, why not that. Just look at the tribulation. His way of getting us to turn to Him and rid the world of evil (at least for 1000 years.) You know the rest. Anyone needing a quick pick me up-Jn.20:29. Hopefully my little rant isn't off the deep end. There's plenty relavinces out there, and are very easy to spot, if you look right. Anything to discredit where the real credit should go too!

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"We already know that E=mc2 is wrong because it contradicts Newton's law of gravity. E=mc2 says nothing is faster than the speed of light....yet as we know, this is not correct. Gravity is instantaneous, thus faster than the speed of light. If the earth were to move, for example, the moon would somehow "know" it and move right along with it. Same with the sun...if the sun were to move, the planets would follow the sun around, all without ropes.

Scientists have long known that Einstein's theory contradicted Newton's law of gravity, but it's just one of those things they try to keep hush about and sweep under the carpet like it doesn't exist.

So if E=mc2 is wrong, which it is, then we can pretty much be assured that astronomers and cosmologists are not to be trusted because they simply do not know what they're talking about."

DAVEYBOY #fundie rr-bb.com

Today when I came into work I did as I always do, get online and check out the headlines and wait to see what jumps out at me. This is when I hear God speaking to me, when things kind of just jump out at me. I saw 4 or 5 headlines that spoke to me. The first said scientists said that we have done so much CO2 damage to our planet that it is now beyond repair, and that humans have 30 years, tops, before extinction. The next headline said that the US is heading towards no linger being one of the super-powers. Did you catch that? Not THE super-power...ONE of the super-powers. The next headline spoke of Europe is, by 2025, going to be a "hobbled giant". The next headlline said that by 2025, nuclear confrontations were inevitable because of all the "rogue" states having these weapons and also the scarcity of food and water. Then I read about a teen putting his suicide on the 'net on a webcam and people were not horrified but instead threw insults at him. It popped into my mind. This is world is spinning out of control and is more than ready for a "man" to take control of it with his master plan. Now mind you, I know that nothing is out of God's control, but you understand what I mean. Totally spinning out of control, and waiting for someone to step in and rescue it. Until now, I always thought it would be the Rapture that had this world going berserk. Now I see it's already in utter chaos. Man, I really feel that the Antichrist is chomping at the bit...waiting like a tiger to pounce onto the world scene. I know all these things I've spoke of are no new news to all of you, but I really have felt the Holy Spirit saying to me that things are changing!!! And then at times I can't believe these things are really happening. It's alsmost too much to believe that this is really happening.

Verisimilitude #fundie rr-bb.com

I've heard one to the effect that the earth is going to suddenly emit some massive electrical type of energy that will immediately disintigrate anyone who's molecules are particularly sensitive to the electrical field. For some reason, this will include only Christians and children.

I've also heard that the earth itself is going to become so disgusted with Christians, that it will generate, on it's own, an anti-gravity field that will cause all Christians to be sent into outerspace, to our doom.

My own personal opinion is that scientists will turn on the Hadron Collider at the same moment as the rapture, allowing 'scientists', politicians and Jesse and Al to blame the Hadron Collider for the sudden disappearance of millions of people. No one knows what will happen when it's turned on and it's just a thought that's gone through my mind for a while.

Lord willing, we'll hang around in the air for a few minutes so people can look up and see that we're with our Lord, without fear and rejoicing in His presence. That way some will accept the obvious, that it's the real rapture prophecied of by Paul in the first century Anno Domini. The majority would no doubt refuse to believe the evidence of their eyes.

Creation Tips #fundie users.bigpond.com

Babylonian Ark fails test
The ancient Babylonians had a flood story too, and it may have been a corrupted version of the biblical account. The ark in the Babylonian story was shaped like a cube, which would had made it unseaworthy.

This shows the difference between truth and badly recorded legends. The Bible's Ark was able to carry all the animals God sent to Noah, it was wonderfully seaworthy, it landed on a mountain that is still identifiable today, and the whole story is credible scientifically.

Because of this, there are many thousands of scientists who believe the Bible's account of the Ark and the worldwide Flood, but none (as far as we know) who seriously defends the Babylonian story as scientifically trustworthy.

TruthSeeker41 #fundie rr-bb.com

Originally Posted by DerRickster
You know what I heard about something similar to this...there is a machine that looks like a tv monitor but flashes images so quick the naked eye can't see it but your conscience mind does and then the machine senses the person's body reaction to it. Talk about 'reading your mind.' Just imagine how the anti-christ can use this technology.

Hi Der,

yeah i agree there is technology that can do that. i worked in city government, and i sensed it myself. my coworkers & upper management could read my brain using some sort of program in the computers. they would mumble things or comments about me... (kinda like 3rd person subconscious comments which i would catch) I never said anything. I ended up quitting that job. And now, just waiting for Jesus to harpazo us outta here..!!!!!!


Sheesh this world is getting outta control! but somehow supposedly in control with the evil ones!! they better think again! no matter what they throw.. it won't matter! you will all answer to our almighty God and get dealt with accordingly even if you are all well connected with rocket scientist technology!!!!

[Get thee to a psychiatrist. -ed]

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