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Morse 86 #fundie christianforums.com

I put forth the same question to you. There is a degree of trust. The bible (and I'm talking about a real bible) excludes this because it does not contradict itself.

Goto the library and checkout any book you like written by man...you find contradictions easily. The bible (a real bible) does not have contradictions...man is full of contradictions...he "moves with the wind". Man could not write a 1000+ page book without contradictions.

Other than the bible, there is a degree of trust. The media cannot be trusted..they have lied and lied and lied over the span of more than 50 years.

With advanced CGI, and actors willing to sell their mother for $$$ (money is the root of all evil)....how much of the trust are you willing to give?

Armoured #conspiracy christianforums.com

Why does Obama hate the police and want them butchered at the hands of scary gangs (some of whom are on drugs!) and terrorists due to inadequate equipment??

This is obviously a precursor move to disarm police potentially loyal to Jesus and the constitution for when Obama declares martial law and has Muslim UN troops occupy America!

Agenda 21 sheeple!

Heissonar #fundie christianforums.com

If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?

Those are questions to consider in things I will present about the miracle He let me a witness.

The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; carried in the mothers arms as she approached me and a friend of mine (from church). My friend did not believe God healed people any more, since the days of the apostles. I knew of God healing people through hearing from other friends but had never firsthand experienced such work of God nor doubted such still occurs. As the mother approached she looked distressed. She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it. Under circumstances leading to this point and during the moment I felt concerned and motivated to pray that the arm be made normal.

The miracle: upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm. After about the first 4 seconds I asked my friend if he was looking at what was happening, since he was located slightly behind me. He acknowledged he was watching.

The mother weep and praised God. My friend and I were acutely aware God showed up and we had witnessed His Power. Within me an acute thought came of all the people who doubt that God exists, being totally unaware of how He at times and select situations displays Himself through the manifestation of supernatural healing.

The mother was rejoicing as she walked away. I was sure those close to her were going to be amazed at the healed child's arm. No doubt, amazed.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

First of all, up until the Tower of Babel, they had to speak some language.

What language was that?

What's the best candidate?

In Revelation we see ...

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

What are these books that are mentioned?

I believe they are the 66 books of the KJB.

Thus we have all peoples, nations, languages and tongues, standing before the Judgement Seat, being read to from the KJB.

Thus if they speak Jacobean English in Heaven, I assume they spoke it on earth at first.

Just a speculation.

Aman777 #fundie christianforums.com

A non-fundie asks another poster about similarities between hominid fossils and modern humans, fundie denies the similarities come from common descent.

Dear PS, It's because they share a common CREATOR. Prehistoric people looked exactly like Humans since they were made after His kind. That is, the kind of person Jesus made with His own Hands. While prehistoric people LOOKED like Humans, they did NOT have the Human intelligence of Adam, the first Human, until they produced children with Adams descendants. Genesis 6:4

The misguided ToE cannot explan How or When Humans inherited their Human intelligence from Mindless Nature, since Nature has NO intelligence. God shows us HOW and WHEN the prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence. It was when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived. That's God's Truth and it also refutes the False idea that Humans are Apes. That is a Satanic Lie because Humans were made long BEFORE our Planet was formed. Genesis 2:4-7 Haven't you noticed that NO one can refute this Fact? God Bless you.

If you're curious about how humans could have existed before the Earth, according to another post the world before Noah's flood was actually another Earth made entirely of flat dirt that washed away in the flood water. The Ark was raptured to our Earth during the flood. Really.

Gottservant #fundie christianforums.com

[The OP had had lots of bizare threads about evolution before but now he thinks he has figured it out.]

Hi there,

This is really simple. I've discovered that Evolution is basically a psychotic mask, that enables people to deny their personal growth in favour of licentious godless behaviour. So I thought I'd break the mould by introducing the concept of preference, from which I can break down why you think what you actually cannot physically give up on is relevant to yourself in an Evolutionary way. What I think you will discover is that there is absolutely no Evolutionary connection perceived with what you actually think is really important and is obviously important according to theory (with which you have no real connection).

So answer this: what is your preferred selection pressure?

The next question is: what are you doing about it? But we can keep from moving too fast, if you want.

[And the options on the poll?]

Coworkers
Predators
Mates
Disasters
Disease
The Devil

anyathesword's Avatar anyathesword #fundie christianforums.com

•Evolution is contrary to natural laws (without exception) whereas creation is consistent with natural laws—for example, creation is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics and law of biogenesis.
•There are no known biological processes for evolution to higher levels of organization and complexity—mutations are overwhelmingly degenerative and none are “uphill” (that is, unequivocally beneficial) in the sense of adding new genetic information to the gene pool.
•Geologic landforms and sedimentary features are completely consistent with a worldwide flood as described in the Book of Genesis.
•Enormous limestone formations, huge coal and oil formations, and immense underground salt layers are indicative of a worldwide flood—not slow and gradual processes over billions of years. Such features are satisfactorily explained by a worldwide flood and known geophysical and geochemical processes.
•A worldwide flood as described in Genesis 6–8 is within the boundaries of known geophysics—see phase diagram in chapter 4 and Pangaea Flood Video at CreationScienceToday.com.
•There is no credible technique for establishing the age of sedimentary rock—fossil dating used to establish the age of sedimentary rock suffers from circular reasoning and guesswork, all based on the assumption of evolution.
•The standard geologic column with transitional creatures evolving toward more complex forms, as depicted in most science textbooks, is utterly fictitious and misleading, and does not represent the real world. In reality, it perfectly represents the aftermath of a worldwide flood.
•There are no transitional fossils or living forms—there is not one single example of evolution! Evolutionists look for “the” missing link—ironically, they are in desperate search for just one! But there should be billions of examples of transitional forms with transitional structures if evolution were true, but there are none. The bottom line, evolution has never been observed within fossils or living populations.
•Contrary to popular belief, evidence indicates that early man was intelligent and highly skilled with an advanced social structure. There is also evidence suggesting their belief in the existence of an afterlife.
•Soft tissues and traces of blood cells have been found in dinosaur fossils supposedly 70 to 250 million years old. (Soft tissues and red blood cells have relatively short life spans.)
•Carbon-14 has been found in coal and diamonds supposedly hundreds of millions of years old. (C-14 has a relatively short life-span.)
•Radioisotope dating suffers from multiple unprovable assumptions—the technique is “fatally flawed”—yet scientists contend as fact what they cannot prove.
•Abundant daughter isotopes are indicative of accelerated nuclear decay associated with creation (expansion, stretching out, or acceleration of the universe from an extremely hot, dense phase when matter and energy were concentrated) and a worldwide flood with massive restructuring of the earth’s lithosphere, not slow and gradual processes over billions of years.
•Evidences of accelerated nuclear decay in igneous rocks found worldwide are helium in zircon crystals, radiohalos and fission tracks, and rapid magnetic field reversals and decay.
•Over a hundred geochronometers indicate a young earth and universe.

stevevw #fundie christianforums.com

Yes because if there are other planets out there with intelligent life forms and God created them then they would not have had the chance to see and hear of Christ saving grace through his birth, death and resurrection. There would have to be another Adam and Eve as well as all the events leading up to christs coming such as with Abraham and Moses and the Israelites. Besides it says in the bible that Christ died for all mankind and it doesn't mention alien life.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

Hey, evolutionists?

You can't find 2,000,000 Jews in the desert, given their itenary.

So don't harp on a handful of missing kangroo bones and expect me to stay up at night wondering about it.

And for the record, I don't believe the kangaroo trekked to and from the Ark in the first place.

I believe they were teleported.

But if you want to believe they trekked to and from the Ark, that's fine.

Just don't expect me to scratch my head over why you guys can find a few that died along the way.

I know why you can't find them -- you don't.

anyathesword #fundie christianforums.com

[This was an OP in a discussion written in a very large font.]

That's it we are not animals!

Animals do not care about spiritual matters and monkeys still exist today! And we have not Evolved into anything else!

What are the new fossils in evolution to say we came from animals? I want to see them!

We are not animals! No way Freddie, we are made in God's image, in such a special way! Why would you even THINK we are animals??? God made us higher than the animals and we rule these creatures since the beginning of time! We are the Masters, not the animals!!

Our bodies have all the compositions of the Dust of this earth! When we die we go back into the Dust!

But our souls go elsewhere!!!!!!! That's another topic
[Row of smileys]

Tyler Snotgern #fundie christianforums.com

I have believed in evolution for many years but now in my 60s and starting to have doubts. I mean if we look at fish they have always been fish, I have never seen a fish turn into a bird. Also when I went to the zoo a few weeks ago I asked myself if we evolved from monkeys then why are these monkeys still here, surely if evolution was true then monkeys wouldn't be about? But they are, so it now makes sense to me that man did not evolve from the monkeys.

I am also skeptical about ants, was there really a common ancestor, if so what was it? A mini ant? But ants are already small. Also it's hard to vision sea plankton evolving from a rock because that's what evolution says, it says organisms came from matter and rocks originally. Sounds like a fairy-tale to me. I used to be an orthodox Christian but now I'm a spiritualist. There are cases of ectoplasm spirits telling humans in the séance room that evolution is a hoax. Am I on the right path? Are the spirits right and evolution is a hoax?

Fschmidt #fundie christianforums.com

There is nothing wrong with women voting as long as they don't vote with men. In other words, separate but equal is fine where women vote on laws and government for women and men do the same for men. But when the sexes are combined, women will vote for unlimited license and to enslave men, and men who naturally suck up to women will support them, and this coalition destroys society.

As Thomas Jefferson said:

"Were our State a pure democracy, . . . there would yet be excluded from their deliberations, women, who, to prevent depravation of morals and ambiguity of issue, could not mix promiscuously in the public meetings of men."

Fschmidt #fundie christianforums.com

Thank you for reminding me of why I gave up on modern Christianity. For you, as with all modern women, not allowing women to subjugate men through the vote is considered subjugation of women. This logic is so twisted that a response is pointless. What I would like to point out to any reasonable Christians reading this is that Christian countries currently are the most immoral countries in the world with the highest illegitimacy rates and least stable families. It is hard to blame Christianity itself since, in former times, Christian society was highly moral. So I ask Christians to consider what went wrong with Christianity? How did Christianity go from creating the most moral societies to now creating the most immoral societies? Certainly women's suffrage, in its current form, played a large role in this. So did abandoning other biblical principles like keeping the sabbath. For those Christians who believe that faith, by itself, is not enough, that one must also adhere to biblical morality, I ask you to please look at my website in my original post and give me feedback.

Fschmidt #fundie christianforums.com

My concrete political suggestion is, of course, impractical fantasy at this point. But it is still concrete. It is that men and women should never vote in the same election. There should be a government of men elected by men. Women should have an option either to submit to the government of men or to run their own government to govern themselves. The main thing is that women should never be allowed to impose their political will on men. If women want equality, they can have it in their own government. I suspect that women would actually have no interest in this because women don't actually want equality, what they want is to impose their will on men. Women have no interest in passing laws that only restrict their own behavior.

Now for the practical. Religion is the practical solution. A sound religion does not allow women to impose their will on men. Examples include the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, and Orthodox Judaism. Those who are repulsed by the abuses of feminism should be a member of such a religion. In my group in El Paso, if it ever grows in size, I will put my suggestion above into practice. Women in the group who want equality can organize their own subgroup for women.

Setyoufree #fundie christianforums.com

When science can explain an apple seed...
Have you ever cut open an apple seed? Inside it has an off white color. It's moist, but yet when placed in the soil that seed knows to grow an apple tree. How does it know?

When science can explain this, then, and only then, will I listen to their nonsense on evolution.

You see if they can't tell me how an apple seed works then they have a lot of audacity to tell me how I came into being....

Gospel Guy #fundie christianforums.com


No nation can even approach being perfect, but the fact that we dumped slavery is a testament to spiritual growth... and it is too bad the indians chose witchcraft over Christianity or God would have seen to it that they were treated as equal citizens!

Gottservant #fundie christianforums.com

Please tell me why there are no throwbacks to apes.

I mean why isn't anyone accidentally born with a tail anymore.

The genes were good once upon a time, right and they haven't "changed much" correct?

[OP is presented with a link to an article about humans born with tails.]

They aren't working tails, give me a break.

Looks like we have another dead weight in the Evolutionary schema, where everyone ignores the problem staring them in the face.

gungasnake #fundie christianforums.com

In forming a judgement of evolutionism, you must at some point consider the circumstances under which it arose and the most probable set of reasons for its rise to dominance.

You've heard of the Medelin Cartel, El Pino, Pablo Escobar, the Pagans, and all of the other drug dealers of our times. The truth is, all together they probably don't add up to a hill of beans compared to the operations of the British empire in the 19'th century. At least one major eastern city was set up for no other reason than to serve as a conduit for Indian opium into China and an entire war was fought to protect the opium trade.

Now, you don't need to be Albert Einstein to comprehend that for a supposedly Christian nation to be engaging in this sort of business must have created at least two problems on an organizational level. One was the question of motivating men to fight and die for such causes:

"For God, Bonnie Queen Vickie, and the Opium Trade, CHARGE!!!!!!" probably wouldn't get it...

The other problem which springs to mind immediately would be that which the CEO or chairman of the board of the East India Company must have faced in conducting board meatings. Picture it:


"Gentlemen, I have some good news, and I have some bad news. The good news is that profits are up 73.2% on a volume of trade which has increased 27% over the same three-month period last year, and that all of our operations appear to be running smoothly. Indigenous peoples of India, Burma, China, and several other areas with a propensity to cause
problems are now happily stoned out of their minds on our products, and are causing no further trouble."

"The bad news is that we're all probably going to spend the next 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years roasting on a barbecue pit for this s**t..."

Now picture Chuck Darwin walking into this scene and telling all of these people that they're sitting around worrying over nothing, and that the only moral law in nature is "The Survival of the Fittest". Can you not see all of those peoples' eyes lighting up, their hair standing straight up, and somebody screaming "By Jove, I think he's got it?"

I mean, it doesn't even matter what led Darwin to devise the theory of evolution. In any normal time or set of circumstances, he'd have either been laughed to scorn, hanged, or burned. He succeeded precisely because he solved several major problems for the Godfathers of 160 years ago.

Theodor1 #fundie christianforums.com

Answer to the question: "Dont you think that if evolution could be disproven, it would be disproven by now?"

No one has ever disproven the atomic bomb, but that does not make them any less harmful. Nor does it minimize the damage they can do. Maybe someday someone will disprove the bomb and make the world a safer place to live.

Doveaman #fundie christianforums.com

[Please present evidence that God was the cause.]

The cause is the evidence.

God is the cause. The cause is God. Therefore the cause is the evidence of God.

Joe is the plumber. The plumber is Joe. Therefore the plumber is the evidence of Joe.

Find the plumber and you will find Joe.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

Transitional Fossils vs. Luke

According to Luke, there are no transitional fossils between God and man.

"Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

Notice nothing is mentioned between Adam and God?

Should we insert 2.3 million years of Homo [thisnthat] in there?

I trow not.

masihi #fundie christianforums.com

And you chose to abandon that
supernatural crutch. Its everyones choice.
You realize atheists do rely on current
circumstances for support but once
removed, their hope is gone. We're
speaking to self-professed atheists who
do not have significant employment, rely
on social services for medical, food, and
perhaps even their housing. The so-called "freedom thinker" and free from Gd
is actually a burden on society.

Gottservant #fundie christianforums.com

So, Evolution, Christians will end up looking like a separate species?

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Hi there,

Just wanted you to consider the attributes the Christian species will end up having, as distinct from the rest of the human race.

I imagine we will have lots of loving kindness, and mercy, and humility and we will all agree with each other, but still be able to have meaningful conversations understanding that just because you have a different point of view doesn't mean you need to suffer.

To be fair, we should consider Evolution too. Any takers? What will Evolutionists look like as distinct from the rest of the human race?

Feel free to joke, but remember insults will be prosecuted to the full height of the law, without reticence.

Nails74 #fundie christianforums.com

[If reason and logic come from God doesn't he expect us to use it?]

Of course. The anti-theist uses it too...but how does he account for abstract, invariant universals like logic?

If (as many atheists are) he is a strict materialist, there is nothing in his worldview but matter in motion. He has no reason to use logic, as logic (not a material thing) should not exist in his worldview. He will have to use the Christian worldview for such things. At that point, he is being inconsistent...living one way, but believing another.

We find that, just as Solomon told us, the atheistic worldview is a foolish position to hold.

Aman777 #fundie christianforums.com

Adam, the first Human was made as we will be made in the 3rd Heaven. At the Rapture Christians will receive our incorruptible bodies, and we will live forever, in those bodies which are like Adam's body. Adam lived with Jesus from the 3rd Day until the present 6th Day which is some 13.5 Billion years. Each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time, and Adam lived for 3 of God's Ages.

Adam was with Jesus and saw the FIRST plants made. He saw the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos come to life. He was there when "EVERY living creature that moveth" was brought forth from the water, on Day 5. Gen. 1:21 Adam was with Jesus when He made the FIRST creatures made from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the present 6th Day, and Adam named them. Gen. 2:19 Adam died on the present 6th Day as ALL men live and die on this present 6th Age.

Some 10k years ago, in man's time, Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and Adam's direct descendant Noah, brought Adam's superior intelligence which only Adam and God have, (Gen. 3:22) to our current Earth. Human civilization on our Earth can be traced to the mountains of Ararat, where Noah arrived. Gen. 8:4

This reveals that the False Theory of Evolution is an incomplete, untrue, fantasy of men. The TOE does NOT take into account the Fact that Adam was NEVER on this Earth, but lived and died on another world. At the end of time the Scoffers (Evols) of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. ll Peter 3:3-7

Aman777 #fundie christianforums.com

The multiple earths are shown in God's Holy Word. The first heaven was made the second Day. Gen. 1:6-8 Other HeavenS were made at the beginning of the third Day. Gen. 2:4 This agrees with the New Testament and explains where Paul was taken, when he went to the THIRD Heaven. ll Corinthians 12:2

Within each of these 3 Heavens or Boundaries of the 3 Universes are many Earths. Adam lived on the first Earth, the Flat Earth, The Earth where there was NO rain until the Flood came. We live Today, in the second heaven or Cosmos, consisting of Billions upon Billions of Earths. When this Universe is burned, Christians will be taken to the 3rd Heaven, and be saved from the total destruction of our Universe.

Trailltrader #fundie christianforums.com

Its very easy to explain to an unbeliever theres a G-d. Sit down with them, give them as much paper as they want, and a calculator. List every item in the universe (the obvious ones) and then have them guess what are the odd's of that happening. When you're done calculating the odd's its so close to zero that we could exist the difference is the same as infinity squared and infinity cubed when compared to each other.

Aman777 #fundie christianforums.com

God's Truth about ERVs
Dear Readers, Barry is trying to show that ERVs of a common ancestor are in today's humans and chimps. So what? We inherited the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve who was descended from Apes. We probably also inherited genetic things found in snails, but that doesn't make us snails.

Humans were made long BEFORE any Ape. We were made BEFORE the Stars of the 4th day. Gen. 2:4-7 Our bodies also contain elements which were forged in the interior of the first Stars. Who cares if we have genetic traces of any creature in our body? That does NOT make us those creatures. Does it?

When Noah brought this highest form of intelligence to this planet of evolved Apes, prehistoric mankind evolved Adam's human intelligence, but the humans stayed the same.

IOW, God's Truth about ERVs is that it doesn't matter what we used to be, for Now, we have inherited Adam's and God's superior intelligence. Now our destiny is clear. We will have dominion or rule over every other living creature, for we are a Special Creation, and not just another animal.

miamited #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

***poster is comparing homosexuality to murder***


So, based on Bryans explanation, let's board the train again. You're sitting there minding your own business and a guy comes in dragging someone by the neck and sits down across from you and puts a knife to their throat and pulls it across their throat and blood splashes out all over you and the seats and nearby passengers as his victim grabs their throat and bleeds to death. What's your response? What do you say to him about God? Do you pat his hand and tell him that it's all ok and you just keep doing what you're doing. Hey God loves everybody and especially those who are living in sin.

Why do you think the response should be particularly different if the couple sitting across from you are the same sex and share with you about their sexual relations and love for one another and how can the church condemn them?

I absolutely agree that we must share the gospel and the truth of God in love, but there's a line that can't be crossed in saying that and watching a sinner kill, steal, fornicate or practice any other immoral sexual practice before your very eyes. And, as a born again believer, I would never support, encourage or approve of the idea that anyone is born that way. Committing sin before God is a choice. It is always a choice.

BFine #fundie christianforums.com

It takes faith to believe the "creation" account and it takes faith to believe this world appeared from "nothing"... did we come from a "pond of goo" or did we come from apes? These "ideas" keep changing...what will they come up with next?

astein #fundie christianforums.com

So if the "Greeks" hadn't labeled belief as "theism", then the "anti-God" group wouldn't have a label? They would be called "anti-God", "against God", "Doubters of truth"?

So "theism" is a term "accepted by believers in God? How come those so called "believers" cut me off? I resemble no connection with man made words such as "theism" and "atheism" accussed of the Greek. Who accepts such garbage and demands others accept it?

Skala #fundie christianforums.com

Atheists do the same thing. We don't know how life can arise from non-life or how a perfect planet can form from random chaos.

"We don't know" so they add the magic ingredient called "time".

A germ can't turn into a princess normally, but if you add the magic number 50,000,000,000 years, it can.

Time is the atheists god.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

"Anyway, I think the main point is, that if one debates a creationist in public, they have to agree on things that can't be talked about."


I won't debate creationsim with anyone on TV or radio that won't first agree that we don't step outside of Genesis 1.

Once they get you outside of Genesis 1, the conversation is over; as they'll bring up the Fall, the Flood, the Grand Canyon, SN1987A, ERVs, varves, tree rings, ice cores, K-T boundary, sin nature, Adam's rib, Cain's wife, Hebrews in the desert, contradictions in the Bible, who wrote what, the Crusades, witch hunts, the Inquisition, was Jesus born in December, the order of events on Resurrection morning, definition of "kind", she bears mauling children, rape, incest, genocide, macroevolution, microevolultion, water canopy, abiogenesis, spontaneous generation, spontaneous combustion, the Ten Commandments, the fallibility of the Scriptures, was Mary a virgin, conflicting lineages in Matthew & Luke, Q, the 10 plagues, how did Judas die, the Filoque Controversy, and a few other things you guys like to bring up.

And that's just before the first commercial.

A4C #fundie christianforums.com

If geologists are wrong -they are wrong and I will not hesitate to say so. If they say there was not a Flood but any God fearing Christian who has even a fleeting knowledge of the Bible knows that there was a Flood and God made reference to it even when He was here in the flesh -THEN THERE WAS A FLOOD . How dare my studies in these matters be so attcked with such vitriol, Why do you hate God -the creator of all things and those who worship Him? So what happen to you as a child then? Did something cause you to depart from the Truth?

A4C #fundie christianforums.com

I noticed the rather glaringly obvious lack of data relating to any dating procedures for the coal stratas of that large graphic we got presented here with the other day.
I have since here speculated that the explanation for the seemingly re-occuring peat bogs within the same flood scenario can be accounted for by a progressive displacing of both swamp contents as well as surrounding rock and soil forms. Whether this happened during the "rain" period or was a result of subsequent receeding waters would depend upon other research that I am in no position to either do or for that matter speculate on.
What would be an interesting indicator of a flood scenario which would be hard to explain by any other geological event would be if the coal seams at the lower levels of the strata column actually were found to be "younger" than the ones higher up. With an old earth layering model this would of course be impossible but logically explainable by the Flood.
Why you ask ?
Well if the flood waters displaced a bog the higher levels of the original bog would contain the younger material and would be the first to be buried and and be located at a lower level in the post Flood strata than would the older, deeper levels of the bog that would end up on top in the displaced strata.
If honesty at all levels prevailed the relative dating of the levels (even if it was considered innacurate) should give the definitive answer to the question of the Flood
To me it is a pity there appears not to be that degree of honesty

A4C #fundie christianforums.com

Geologists admit that coal is formed by flood conditions covering rain forest type plants then pressure and heat applied over time (not necessarilly long periods either as coal can be formed under lab conditions) So as we have massive coal deposits on this planet we can obviously account for massive flood conditions. It is interesting that confusion is added to the equation when it is assumd that as coal is at different depths in the various sediment layers following the Flood that each occurred at diffent time periods separated by millions of years -a conclusion based on a delusion as oviously bog type conditions could easily exist at different elevations before the Flood even if we didn't ajust for the earths tilt as a result of it.

It actually seems odd to me that the most prolithic defense against the evidence of a young earth by the use of the reveered C14 dating method is to reject the findings of the method, ridicule those who believe there is substance in the findings then maintain that there is no scientific way to measure the time of the formation of coal or oil.
This truly smells of a total sham to me
Watergate has nothing on Oilgate

InternetApostle #fundie christianforums.com

This came up in the thread about solar theory, but I figured I'd bring it up here because I don't know how many people are reading it five pages in. Does anyone else here reject the idea that the Earth orbits the sun? The Bible is pretty clear that the Earth is fixed and immobile, and it's the sun that moves, and I'm surprised how many Christians are willing to reject the Bible for science.

mog144 #fundie christianforums.com

I'm repeating what many major news networks have been discussing long before the election. Obama isn't quite sure of what he's doing either, he's being led like all of the world is. Are you one who believes that God is in control? I do, and since He is, I don't see it any other way but Prophetically and here is where people have differences. The 44th President could've been a white man and it would've made no difference. The fact is, he's the 44th Prez.

Wife = 1
Prez = 44

together they form a counterfeit image of 144 that represents an image of God's 144,000 elect rulers who were once ruling this land before 1776. The problem with U.S. patrons is that they are U.S. patrons, not followers of Christ, I say this because we are not a real Christian nation but hypocrites. That's my opinion and my right to say this.

tunnelhckrat #fundie christianforums.com

Look at the doube standard Ive noticed. When men are gay they claim they were born that way, they cant change it so they embrace it. But for women they claim its a choice, they choose to be gay because they had bad relationships ect. No, it all reality being gay is a choice, the thoughts are from satan and then he undermines you convictions by making you think "if I have these thoughts, I must be gay, I was born like this" but its not true, dont be fooled by the world. If people were born gay it wouldnt be a sin, but it clearly is.

Allykelly07 #fundie christianforums.com

I am perplexed that so many people on here claim to be Christians, yet hardly anyone believes what Scripture says. God created man. It does not say that He created apes and the apes evolved into humans. People like Darwin, make nonsense up and so that he they have a reason not to obey the God who made us. Then they put made up stories in the schools to teach little kids a lie, and shove it down their ears until its almost impossible for them to hear from God. Believing that God used evolution, is just one foot in the door to beliveing that we came from nothing. Scientists (Christian or non) , worship the creation rather than the Creator. Because they make their life be about that, rather than a life given over to God, which is saving souls by the word of God, and the Gospel of Christ.

psalmjoy #fundie christianforums.com

No but I mean if humans CAME from monkeys than the monkeys would be gone but there are still monkeys and PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE SEX with monkeys anyway!! One thing also the evolutoinists say is that the mokeys came from a POOL of slime!! I KNOW Richard Darwins even said that he decided he dint believe in evolution before he died.

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