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Various Commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: I'm sorry about their experience, but it's still male socialization through and through.

( sojourner_truth_ )
See, this is why I'm not of the belief that detransitioners will be the cavalry that comes running in to save the day. The women sometimes have interesting things to say, but nobody will listen to them because they are women. And the men? No great shakes. Look at this whiny loser, moaning that women have something that he wants, and stamping his feet that he can't just instantly have it too, implying that the women owe it to him. Incel logic 101. Maybe he stopped IDing as trans but he is still the same as he was before he transed himself. It starts with entitlement and misogyny, and that's how it continues. Waah waah waah, how dare women have something! I want it I want it I want it! No, I don't want to lift a finger, omg that's what women are for!!!!! Ugh. Disgusting scrote.


( crodish )
Yeah, I'm wary of putting detransitioners on a pedestal, or thinking they'll be the next generation to break down barriers, etc. A lot of them still see feminists as their Big Bad, even if some of them are female. The most we can do is support them but not expect the same to be given to us. As is the usual for being women...


( sojourner_truth_ )
You're right; they are quick to paint us as the problem!

Plus many of them were mentally ill and unstable to start with, which is why the gender cult was able to suck them in. Those pre-existing mental illnesses didn't disappear in a puff of smoke once they saw through the trans delusion, as many of Isaac's supporters are seeing.

In a political fight for women's rights and children's safety, I want allies I can count on to not lose the plot at every errant breeze. So many detransitioners go back and forth multiple times. It's like quitting an addiction or leaving an abusive partner. It may take 6 or 7 attempts to break free for good.

( La_Terfa )
This is why I have zero sympathy for detrans moids, and I actually believe that detrans women should actively keep them out of their support groups. There's no fixing these gross broken moids.

various commenters #sexist #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: I'm sorry about their experience, but it's still male socialization through and through.

( crodish )
Came across this and wanted to throw a table. It is exactly this. EXACTLY THIS that happens, over and over and over again, whether it's "cis" men, or trans-identified men, or detrans men. It's always men looking to women to provide emotional labor for them, it's always men who are unwilling to put in the work, it's always men who want to take over women's hard earned spaces because they won't do it themselves. Never for themselves and never for each other. And it's still always women's fault somehow.

Lots of detrans tweets also talking about how much women hate detrans men. 1) it's not specifically detrans men, it's ALL men, so don't take it personally, because we sure as hell didn't become warmer to you during your identity as a woman 2) you've proven our point over and over.

Detrans women have spaces because the women bothered to make an effort. They bothered even if they didn't feel suited for it. They stepped up.

Men need to step up for themselves if they want their own spaces. Be willing to do the work for the change that you want for yourself!

Edit: now I'm half worried that "detrans man" is going to be the new oppressed minority that "transwoman" currently is, and women become unable to say anything against them because they're already so damaged and fragile. It's the same fucking cycle repackaged in different words urgh

( carbon0va )

Lots of detrans tweets also talking about how much women hate detrans men.

These are selfish men who've demonstrated they're perfectly ok with exploiting women, invading our spaces, abusing us online, etc for their own gratification. Why would we like them? These people don't change, they just change tactics.

( SCP353 )
They won't. Similar to how men complain that they have no male shelters for domestic abuse but actually don't give a shit about those men/don't actually want to form communities. They just want to blame women for getting all the attention. It's all in bad faith.


( La_Terfa )
Lol, shelters for men aren't even needed. Cases of women being genuinely violent are vanishingly rare and moids always have the financial means to escape these hypothetical scenarios and protect themselves.


[...]

sojourner_truth_ , salty-tomorrow & Carrots90 #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TIM wonders if he should impose on a women's SA group for validation
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( sojourner_truth_ )
I'm tempted to write a frothy screed about the travesty that is the entire industry of mental health care.... again... but in this case I think the TIMs hear what they want to hear. "Oh, my shrink said it would help me loads if I went in there with the women and it would give me a massive throbbing euphoria so I should do it" yeah... maybe that's what happened, but maybe that's him being a typical narcissist and twisting crumbs of what was said to suit his fetish. Motivated reasoning, I think they call it.

Some of these men do have a shred of decency inside of them, a little quiet voice of conscience, telling them that they are being a creep. The trouble is that a man's boner can scream way louder than that little quiet voice of conscience. I think that's one reason why TIP so often post these "I can tell my coworkers and random people passing me on the street think I'm a creep/liar/deluded/joke/monster" is because that's what they think of themselves deep down. When gender loons get together they talk each other out of recognizing that voice of reason and egg each other on to do more and more degenerate things, like cross dressing in a women's SA support group and fretting over if you look convincing enough in your larp.


( salty-tomorrow )
The therapist probably told him NOT to go to the women’s support group because women-only groups are important for women to heal, and since he’s trying to convince himself he’s a woman too, he’s turned it around.


( sojourner_truth_ )
Exactly what I think happened. Talking with a fetishist is like talking to a drug addict or bad alcoholic. Their reports about what others said must be taken with a grain of salt, especially when they're throwing up their hands and saying someone twisted their arm into self-gratifying behavior.


( Carrots90 )
Motivated reasoning,

Best phrase ever!

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: When they say the majority of trans people never regret transitioning this is who they mean. These are the men we're sacrificing young girls for.

( SakuraBlossoms )
When a trans person doesn't regret transitioning, it's because their mental health issues were never treated. Same with the woman who blinded herself and was happy after. Same with people suffering from anorexia; they don't regret being dangerously underweight and instead want to be thinner, until the mental disorder and the distorted thinking it causes is properly treated.

It's so obvious that transitioning (physical) doesn't treat gender dysphoria (mental), such as with the despair that comes if someone "mistakes" them for a member of their sex. Or I would imagine if a guy like this just looked in the mirror. Although some of the men never had gender dysphoria to begin with and just did it for the coom.

(nopenottoday )
He won't be laughing when his bones are deteriorating and he's got some estrogen induced cancer


( Tortoisemouse )
There are so many parallels with anorexia.

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
Before ROGD, the majority of "trans people" were fetishistic transvestites / autogynephiles. They usually don't regret transitioning because it is sexually motivated. Their main regret is not transitioning earlier as they are erotically obsessed with "passing". They advocated for childhood transitioning aka. medical abuse of children, since they project their fetish onto gender-nonconforming children. In addition, most transvestites have a sissification / forced feminization fetish as well, i.e. they get aroused by the humiliation of a boy forced into stereotypically feminine dress, behavior, etc. And some of them are pedophiles.

sojourner_truth_ #transphobia ovarit.com

I find it so funny how these gender loons tell on themselves. Since their comments are permitted to be fact-free and logic-free, we get a bit of a Rorschach test of what the loon thinks and feels deep down. The "if black women get to be women then obviously I can too!" is the most obvious example.

The guy saying Christianity is at fault for saying there are 2 sexes... I'm guessing he was raised Christian or in a Christian country, but does he think the other religions were passing out binders, packers and fake rubber vulvas to their parishioners in some grand orgy of gender? Factually, it's ludicrous. It does give me an inkling of his inner world though.

I think deep down that he knows participating in this degeneracy is damaging him as a person and taking him farther and farther away from decency, goodness, and from God, which is actually one of the interpretations of hell- it's not a physical location, it's a state of mind in which you as a person are living in degeneracy and immorality, being held captive by your own endless lust, greed, rage, indolence etc. TIP are the perfect example. Personally, I'd rather be sleeping peacefully in my grave than to be an abomination who constantly fantasizes about raping children and animals. This dude is living in hell. I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't trying to drag the rest of us into hell with him.

I just had the realization that if a church elder sat him down and told him with love and compassion everything that I just wrote, he might come to his senses at least a bit... and that person would be guilty of a hate crime under Federal law.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: B-b-but, it's a LIFE SAVING procedure!
(crodish )
They all NEVER understand this. The very fact that you need to take fake hormones, get surgery, and all that other unnecessary crap is in itself PROOF that "being trans" is a complete fucking sham, because "cis" people don't need to do anything other than literally JUST BE.

Your body is FINE. It's biologically, physically, functionally healthy and doing whatever the fuck it was originally made for. STOP FUCKING WITH IT. IT'S THE BRAIN THAT IS THE ISSUE.

WHY DO YOU THINK ANOREXICS THINK THEY ARE FAT AND DEPRESSED PEOPLE WANT TO DIE, DO WE LET THEM BELIEVE THEIR CRAP TOO

Anyway, happy another AGP castrated himself and took his genes out of the pool

( overanddone )
You asked for this, if you'd done your "research" you'd know what you were in for.

And no, you are not a woman and never will be. No woman has to dilate a wound every day.

( hmimperialtortie )
Serves you right, halfwitted misogynist pervert. Schadenfreude all the way.

ProxyMusic #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "You have to suffer on my behalf"

By promoting the narrative that since TIPs suffer more than any other, to make them suffer any more would be a cruelty so great, other people must start suffering on their behalf to protect them from any more suffering.

One way to stop this narrative in its tracks is to question the starting premise, meaning the belief that "TIPs suffer more than any other." Since you didn't preface that phrase with "allegedly" or "supposedly," I dunno if you yourself actually belief this premise, OP. I suspect and hope you don't. I sure don't.

I believe the idea that "TIPs suffer more than any other" to be a totally false premise. I see no evidence that TIPs "suffer more than any other" group of people in any way - psychologically, emotionally, socially, economically, physically, whatever. In fact, prior to messing with their health, many TIPs seem to have been lucky enough to have been born and gone through life in excellent physical health and not to have experienced any physical suffering - and many have grown up with considerable privilege in terms of their sex, race, class, access to education, athletic prowess, achievements and awards, and so on. Big strapping, well-off white guys with massive, robustly healthy male bodies so exceptionally physically fit and athletically talented that they became big time HS and college sports stars like Lia Thomas, Bruce Caitlyn Jenner, Laurel Hubbard, Richard Raskin/Renee Richards, for example - how exactly do guys like this qualify as most long-suffering, most deeply suffering and "most vulnerable" people on planet earth?

I find it ridiculous that in recent years, so many people have come to take it for granted that "gender dysphoria" is the worst affliction human beings have experienced evuh in the course of history, and that it causes far more profound and painful suffering that any other mental illness, physical disease or injury, or unfortunate twist of fate that makes life hard to bear. [...]

butchplease , homosuperior & Owlchaser #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Quotes from transwomen

(butchplease )
What upsets me the most is that I'll never be able to hate these lowlife perverts as much as they hate us.


( homosuperior )
Don’t worry babe I can hate them enough for the pair of us!


( butchplease )
Thank you darling


( Owlchaser )
I don't see them as fully 'human', in the sense that they act more like predatory animals obsessed with sex. I think you trade something essential to being human for that level of hatred.


( butchplease )
Oof. I'm inclined to agree.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: So tired of the "tru trans" folks trying to do damage control

( itsnotaboutewe )
Sometimes I think some of these old-school transsexuals like Blaire White, and AGPs like Debbie Hayton, are only pretending to be sort of on our side in the hope that if we are the crocodile that we will eat them last. Such people want to be the last trans standing. I have noticed recently that the more victories we win the more they try to walk back their helpfulness towards us. They are retreating further towards the type of transness they themselves were once highly critical of because they finally realise that any victory for us will ultimately be a loss for them. They are disingenuous at best.


( vulvapeople )
White seems like a contrarian in any case. If he didn't identify as trans, I could see him being another Milo Yiannopoulos.

I think Hayton and most other "reasonable" TIMs who cuddle up to "terfs" are looking for the ultimate form of validation -- getting a woman who doesn't buy into transgenderism to call them "she/her". Miranda Yardley is one of the very, very few trans-critical TIMs who doesn't seem to be playing that game.


( operaghost)

I think Hayton and most other "reasonable" TIMs who cuddle up to "terfs" are looking for the ultimate form of validation -- getting a woman who doesn't buy into transgenderism to call them "she/her".

THIS. Its just another form of narcissistic supply for them.


( ProxyMusic )
Jenn Smith too. Smith says he's a trans identified male. And he warns that in his view, calling any boy or man a kind of girl or woman - whether it be "transwomen" or" "trans woman" or "trans girl" - is extremely dangerous to women, girls and to young boys.


( doloresonthedottedline )
Jenn Smith is a bit eccentric but honestly I have a ton of respect for how much he focused on foster kids being pushed into transitioning.

RisingUp #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TiM says stealing and wearing his mom's bra is a "one of a kind opportunity" and a "euphoria IV drip"

Imagine giving birth to and raising a child to near-adulthood, giving it all your love and care for a decade and a half, and this is how it rewards you.

TIMs either don’t understand, or don’t care, or actively get off on how disgusting and disturbing women find this behaviour. Every time TIMs on Reddit confess to this other TIMs line up to defend them.

I feel so sorry for any woman who has one of these predators living in her house. Especially their mothers. It’s a lot harder to disown a son than to disown a brother.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: OMQ catfight between two girlies!! Can't even tell which one's the stunning and brave one and which one is the menstruator!

( hmimperialtortie )
Trannoid males are even more repulsive than other MRAs.


( LOriginedumonde )
TIMs are the high priests of the MRAs.They’re so sexist and misogynistic that they think they can become not just women, but better women than actual women. That is peak male supremacy.


( hmimperialtortie )
Perfect description.

(immersang )
Always with the “are you scared transwomen are going to steal your man?” LOL. No, buddy, no actual woman worries about that. We live in reality.


( hmimperialtortie )
A man who’d go off with a TIM would be no loss anyway.


( Eava )
Most of them don't want men, they want other women. And the ones that do want men usually end up crying about being dumped once they are honest about being trans.


( Committing_Tervery )
Most aren’t even honest about it, they are just discovered by the other person’s eyeballs, outed by another person, or found out by a google search.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Women who peaked, do you remember a seed being planted at any moment?

(notyourfetish )
Again, Bruce Jenner.

I learned about AGP because I heard about him wearing his daughter's underwear (so gross) and he said some unfortunate things about gay people.

That was when I realized the "movement" was just sexist, homophobic gibberish and all TIMs are rapists and perverts. All of them.

I've yet to be proven wrong.

(CeruleanPisces )
The thought of them in womens shelters. The way it can and will be abused angers me in a way that is indescribable. Men with an inability to tolerate the fact that they are men do not belong in womens shelters. I don’t care if they are LOOK exactly like women. I don’t care what age they transitioned at. I don’t fucking care. Castrated or not. I don’t care if they are raised with a lifetime of female presentation and socialization.

They are men. They can get back in their own fucking lane.

( Erhanne )
Yes.

When I joined an (intersectional) feminist subreddit and its associated discord, and naively asked what was the "point" of being trans when we could abolish gender and let everybody dress as they like and do what they want. I don't remember the exact answer but it was unconvincing. Something like "sure we should abolish gender but we can't because they need our acceptance now".

I remember concluding to myself that trans were "too weak" to undertake their gender nonconformity (therefore enforcing gender roles instead of breaking them) and considering them with a mix of pity and anger.

I progressively lost contact with that group and afterwards it took 3 years for me to peak, only to discover that my partner had peaked way before me (we didn't speak about this topic).

( BlankandPitiless )
I think it was the bathroom bills in North Carolina. I remember people kept saying over and over "of course no man is going to dress up as a woman to go into a woman's bathroom!" And I just kept thinking, men do all kinds of crazy, obscene and heinous shit, why is this a bridge too far? I still felt bad for the transgenders I'd encountered, but it was obvious to me that the people against the bathroom bill were not arguing in good faith. And it was always just this little feeling in my gut that told me that none of this made sense. Men can dress as women, I genuinely don't care, but the bathrooms felt like an encroachment on women.

hmimperialtortie #transphobia ovarit.com

(submitters note: regarding J.K. Rowling)

The funny part is, so much of her sympathy for them in that essay is misdirected - as she’s found out since becoming the target of their rape and death threats. They’re not funny, sensitive, harmless super-gays. They’re perverted, very dangerous men.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Women like me can't be bullied out of resistance" - new tweet from J.K. Rowling

( butchplease )
The scrote replying to her with "trans women are being raped and killed in mens prisons!!!!" ... proof? And how, HOW is it better for actual women to be raped and killed instead? :) oh, I forgot. Peniswomen are precious darling angel flowers who bring laughter and princess-like glitter joy to this world and must be protected, coddled, spoiled, and fellated at ALL costs. Lowly bleederwomen are just fuckmeat who exist to be abused 💕


( Kevina )

"trans women are being raped and killed in mens prisons!!!!"

So? That's got nothing to do with us. Male violence in a male prison = a male problem.


( Cigarsofthepharoahs )
Yup. Male violence against males is for males to fix. Women are not human shields.


( Melkora )
Yeah! So, are we now not only responsible for protecting ourselves from male violence somehow, but also for protecting men from male violence somehow?

Sorry, sir! Are men supposed do play some role in this game too? Or is it, as ussual, all female job?

( Melkora )

"trans women are being raped and killed in mens prisons!!!!

Yeah! Men are being raped and killed in men's prisons. I suppose by other men. It's a consequence of male violence, which is one of the biggest problems of humankind.

Sadly, this man doesn't seem to care about solving or at least minimalizing this problem at all. The only thing he is suggesting, is to expose women (who are in no way responsible for male violence, on the contrary, they are the primary innocent victims of it) to even more male violence. Moreover, the extremely vulnerable kind of women, who are even in a more compromised position and even less able to defend themselves. Which is still not enough for him! He is trying to rebrand the last desperate attempt of women to protect themselves as vile bigotry and even more support for male violence.

In other words, he presents male victims of male violence as valid and worthy of protection, while female victims of male violence as reasonable human sacrifice to protect men from each other.

various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

If you’re not including TW, then you aren’t really supporting women

( TransWidow )

"If your black rights activism doesn't include white people, it isn't black rights activism", "If your gay rights group isn't fighting for straight people's rights, it isn't gay rights activism", "If your group fighting against child abuse doesn't include adults, then you hate children", "If your animal welfare organization isn't centered on plants, you're a bigot".

We should just start repeating these when we hear that claim about feminism.

Of course this one

"If your gay rights group isn't fighting for straight people's rights, it isn't gay rights activism"

isn't satire anymore


( femlez34 )
Re: gay rights activism, definitely. Just like the word "trans" means nothing at this point, the word "queer" is also so "inclusive" as to mean absolutely nothing. Lesbian spaces are flooded with straight TIMs, and also equal numbers of straight women married to men who admit that going down on a woman would be gross to them, but they love being "queer". Like wtf does that even mean?

Like 10-20 years ago I was involved in LGB activism to bring about marriage equality, but I and everyone I knew doing that stuff stopped years ago. We kind of got what we wanted and moved on. All the "LGBT" groups I used to support are LGB in name only, they only work on trans issues and just keep the "LGB" in the name for clout. It functions to trick straight people who aren't keeping up on these issues to blindly support them. Honestly I'm actively against them now because for the most part "trans rights" means going backwards on women's rights and embracing homophobia and conversion therapy for homosexuals.

( Boudicaea )
Perfect encapsulation of the problem.

The demand that women center men/"trans women" in feminism is the height of sexism. It relies on the gendered notion that women always be self sacrificing. That we always put everyone else's needs first. There is nothing more anti-feminist than the idea that TWAW.

n3847 #transphobia ovarit.com

Men want stuff that isn't theirs. It's really not more complicated than that.
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spoilerpeople just wanna live their lives in a way that aligns with what feels most right to them sometimes that means taking on the
title of woman it's really not any more complicated than that

The creeps would wear my skin if they could. "Living their lives" = them taking over everything for women and rejecting reality. FFS, we have one day. They are colonizing our one day. International Women's Day and almost every entity is promoting these demented creepy men as speaking for women.

It's like, "In honor of international Women's Day, we will have a conference and the keynote speaker is Hideous man with dick in his pants and in a dress. What is going on here? ACLU is saying stuff like, "No one gets to tell us what it means to me a woman...Trans women are women". Objective reality tells you freaks what that is and that trans women are NOT women, wtf? This on IWD!

The Vagina Museum is talking about MEN today.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

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( hmimperialtortie )
I’ve said it before and will say it again - none of these cartoon caricatures are nearly as horrible as the real thing. TIMs are almost without fail viscerally disgusting. Yes, I include the “pretty” ones in that.


( lesbiansaurus )
They always look 5,000 times worse as a "woman" than a regular ass man.


( hmimperialtortie )
Absolutely. Even the ones who were meh as men are foul in womanface.


( shewolfoffrance )
Graham Linehan is not a handsome man. But as a transbian, he was the stuff of nightmares.


( hmimperialtortie )
Ain’t that the truth! 😆😆😆

( jessebelleinhell )
The makeup/ facial hair combos are my favorite😂


( hmimperialtortie )
shudder


( jessebelleinhell )
I know..god, it's ridiculous😂 Someone needs to tell them that you can be different and 'weird' as long as you have good taste..(and don't make impossible demands from other people and threaten their rights , but what do they care ..)


( hmimperialtortie )
They’d fail on all counts! The threats and carrying out the threats are the main thrill.

pennygadget #wingnut #racist #transphobia ovarit.com

This is precisely why identity politics and the fetishization of oppression is the biggest problem on the left right now. The only way liberal people (specifically young liberal people) can have their voices valued is if they can win a gold medal in the Oppression Olympics. And, if they're just a "boring White girl" or "an oppressive White boy", it's not surprising that they'd be tempted to identify into an "oppressed" gender/sexuality that would offer them instant clout in their social circles without having to really do anything

hmimperialtortie & Tesserae_Tali #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Top 6 Myths About Trans Kids. Number 5 Will Surprise You! - Sue Donym

( hmimperialtortie )
The only thing that surprised me about number 5 was that anyone is claiming it. Which on a moment’s reflection isn’t really surprising, because this whole movement is a lie, and of course they’re not telling parents they want to sterilise their kids and arrest their mental and physical development to keep them childlike and vulnerable. More money for the medical industry and more victims for the paedophiles.

( Tesserae_Tali )

Trans kids and sexuality have nothing to do with each other!

I agree that sexuality and trans identity are inextricably entangled for most trans people, including so-called "trans kids," but I think the relationship is perhaps a bit more complicated than what's portrayed here.

There are, at a minimum, two distinct groups of trans-identified minors. Those who display extreme gender non-conformity and gender dysphoria from early childhood have well-above-average odds of growing up to be homosexual. Boys of this sort are the classic "trans kids," the population represented by the cited studies on desistance; the findings of these studies don't necessarily extrapolate to the more recent (and far more numerous) ROGD cohort.

On the other hand, children who show no signs of gender dysphoria or extreme gender non-conformity prior to pubesence, only to suddenly identity as trans as tweens or teens, are a more heterogeneous (and heterosexual) bunch. Some of them may be struggling with internalized homophobia/lesbophobia/biphobia (although it should be noted that adolescent distress about sexuality isn't quite the same thing as prepubescent gender dyphoria). Others of them are AGP or AHE; in other words, their trans identity is about sexuality, but it has nothing to do with homosexuality. And finally, some of them have contracted a psychosocial contagion—in Carl Eliot's words, "a new way to be mad"— for reasons that have little to do with sexuality at all.

gncautistic , XX_Power & actualdyke #transphobia ovarit.com

(gncautistic )
TIM's don't care about TIF's

This has been said 100 times already but it just makes me sad. Why do we never see males tweet ''TMAM?'' why don't we see TIM's defending TIF's so fiercely the way TIF's do? oh yeah it's because males don't give a shit about females, no matter what gender they pretend to be.

I know sometimes we can get frustrated by TIF's since some of them are so close to getting it, but they don't. TIF's hate us so much and it hurts. I wish we could have a real sisterhood with them, help them understand it's ok to be dysphoric as a woman and hate our bodies and hate how society treats us, but we can work together to overcome these things and help change how people see us.

It feels like the saying how you can bring a horse to water but can't make them drink. As much as we want it, they will only see the truth we they want to.

(This a vent post btw)

( XX_Power )
I totally get what you're saying about the lost sisterhood. When i read how TIMs want to rape and brutalize it, i don't really care because they're just males. Rapey, cruel, stupid males are neither new nor interesting.

With the TIFs it's much sadder. We know exactly how they feel, many of us were them or would be them now if we were born earlier (me for example). But they believe the lies of males rather than their sisters, they just want to be free from misogyny but instead of fighting it they'd rather sell their sisters to men. Some will come around eventually, after all exulansic was once trans identified.

But sadly, there will always be women who have so much internalized misogyny and so much hatred of themselves, that they'd screw of all women if it got them a crumb of male attention.

( actualdyke )
it's wild to me how even within their circles TIMs shit on them 24/7, but if TIFs Point out the obvious discrepancies between how the two of them are treated even within trans and ~queer~ circles, they get shouted down and called privileged and transmisogynistic .. and they STILL 100% believe that TIMs are more oppressed than them and they need to protect and stand up for their poor marginalized sisters. this whole thing is the most wide scale project of gaslighting that I have ever witnessed in my life

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: You feel disconnected from womanhood because you're not a woman.

( butchplease )
If you want to "feel solidarity" to women, how about you stop being a misogynistic perverted freak who appropriates our experiences, language, human rights, and spaces 😳

( levitation )
If they're so desperate to feel "solidarity" with real women then maybe they can listen to us instead of fetishizing and talking over us.


( bellatrixbells )
This exactly. Feeling solidarity with someone doesn't mean becoming them. It means listening to them, understanding them and being empathetic of their frustration, suffering, etc. It doesn't entail attempting to become them. If you need to find a way to literally, physically feel the same way as another person in order to feel solidarity with them... You're kind of in the fast lane to be a sociopath.


( Champagne_Lasagne )
I think it's just how men experience empathy. The only way is to make them feel the same pain/discomfort of the person they're trying to empathize with. Women don't need that, whereas how many times have you heard a man say "what if it were my daughter??" in response to female suffering. They can only relate when it affects them too on a personal level. Another hint that they're not women.

( mathlover )
We should be doing everything we can so they feel disconnected from womanhood by an unreachable chasm. Which is reality. They can never have what they want. They will never be women. They will never have a place among us.

( puppy_cat )
It really disgusts me when they pretend they're somehow similar to actual women who are infertile. Fuck off.

( jvsmine )
"realizing I will never carry a child" what do they mean realizing it? they knew all along they never could. they just developed a fuckin fetish and are getting increasingly more desperate to come so now they're moaning about how their feefees hurt "realizing" they can "never carry a child". what a bunch of pathetic losers as well as delusional freaks.

someone remind me again why we need to be nice to these men? why I'm supposed to forget how uncomfortable this makes me in favor of listening to some scrote whine about how at least I'm a "cis" woman so I should be grateful for the pain and bullshit I experience? seriously I peak more and hate them more every day.

hmimperialtortie , pennygadget & ProxyMusic #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The Abelism of Trans Activism

( hmimperialtortie )
There’s a post about the coming self-inflicted woes of TiPs with dementia, but the flipside that occurs to me with this is TIM so-called nurses or carers losing their shit with dementia patients or those with any other cognitive impairment when they don’t address the TIMs as laydees. Women are already punished for not wanting male perverts staffing women’s wards - how long before age care facilities kick out residents for being twaaaaansphobes?

( pennygadget )

but the flipside that occurs to me with this is TIM so-called nurses or carers losing their shit with dementia patients or those with any other cognitive impairment when they don’t address the TIMs as laydees.

I'm kicking myself for forgetting this one.

Sadly, I can totally see TIM caregivers losing their shit because a 90 year old woman with Alzheimer's refuses to learn their pronouns and/or refuses to let them help her in the shower. This prospect is especially scary because the nature of the disease means the victim usually can't report abuse (and even if they do report it, nobody will believe them). 😥

( hmimperialtortie )
Oh yes, it’ll happen. As will TIMs being among the male staff who rape women in these homes (if it hasn’t already).

( ProxyMusic )
TRAs have been focusing on "educating" people in the nursing/care home industry - and the even larger at-home care industry - for years now. There are already training materials and "model policy" documents for the industry that say old TIMs must be allowed to share rooms and bathing facilities with women in care homes, and that any elderly women or their families who object should be seen as bigots and phobes with old-fashioned, out-of-date ideas. Some of the people doing training for this industry openly crow that it's a good thing older generations who haven't been drinking the kool-aid of gender ideology all our lives will soon be dying off, taking our transphobia and our antiquated beliefs in the primacy of women's safety, privacy and dignity with us.

( hmimperialtortie )
I cannot say what should be done to Trans Rape Advocates.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Dementia care advice for transgender patients drawn up - BBC News

( Earthmoon )
The final part of the article is only bit that makes any attempt to say what this care advice is, rather than why it’s necessary. They say repeatedly that patients may wake up confused over why they’re dressed strangely or missing their body parts, but then say that patients will be helped to continue presenting the way they wanted to.

This sounds a lot like they’re going to have trans dementia patients insisting they are their actual sex while the care assistants continue to push their trans identity on them because that’s what they wanted when they were “lucid”.

How would that help in any way? It props up the trans facade at the expense of distressing the patients who don’t understand what happened to them.


( pennygadget )

This sounds a lot like they’re going to have trans dementia patients insisting they are their actual sex while the care assistants continue to push their trans identity on them because that’s what they wanted when they were “lucid”.

So, basically, a child as young as 2 can consent to changing their legal gender. But an 80 year old male with dementia who wants his nurse to call him "John" instead of "Jessica" is told to shut up and wear his dress.

This makes me so sad. Life in a nursing home with diminished mental faculties is hard enough. But now these people will be forced to endure extra stress and confusion when they decide they want to be their birth sex and the TRA nurses tell them "no". This is cruelty! If a "trans-woman" patient regresses into childhood and wants to wear trousers and be called "John", what's the problem with just letting him do it? I don't get it!


( real_feminist )
The ones with sissification fetishes would be thrilled at the idea of their older selves being tortured like this.


( Carrots90 )
Watch for the ‘I id as demented’ men flooding the nursing homes for their sissification fetish.

They will be able to house them with the diaper fetish guys


( bumpyjerboa )
Oh yikes. You're probably right and it goes to show how absolutely sick they are.


( Julie92845 )
It won't help the patients at all, but they don't care about that. It's all about showing how supportive they are to the trans agenda.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( pennygadget )
So Abbot is committing genocide by demanding that trans youth NOT be systematically sterilized, experimented on, and chemically lobotomized?

I don't think TRAs know what "genocide" means

( Hollyhock )
"genocide against trans kids" equates to letting kids wear what they want, play w/ toys they want and not sterilizing them. Okay, then.

( NO )
Oh, you think being called sir is genocide? Hope you get fucking drafted scrote.

( butchplease )
In Germany, these perverted men are actually appropriating the Holocaust for themselves.

There's very little I hate more than perverted men who are getting off on the thought of "genocide". You know they're wanking to it.

( Yemaya )
These AGP men are so interested in “trans kids” because they need narrative that there’s such a thin as “trans kids” to keep living their fetish publicly.


( hmimperialtortie )
Plus they want children sterilised and kept permanently undeveloped (physically and mentally) so they have permanent fucktoys. These men are child rapists.


( starwars )
Many AGPs enjoy fantasizing (sometimes in a sexual way) about being in those children's shoes.

( Carrots90 )
“Trendicide”

when you prevent kids from sacrificing their health, organs, fertility, etc to the latest social contagion

WatcherattheGates , notyourfetish & XX_Power #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans celebrity Caitlyn Jenner offers a dose of common sense | Daily Mail Online
(note by submitter: regarding this Daily Mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10578993/Trans-celebrity-Caitlyn-Jenner-offers-dose-common-sense.html )

( WatcherattheGates )
'The world's gone mad,' [Jenner] says. 'It was never meant to be like this.'

As a former Olympian, she particularly despairs of trans women being allowed to compete alongside biological females in sport.

'I don't think biological boys should compete in women's sports — we have to protect women's sports,' says Caitlyn. 'That's the bottom line.'

Urrgghhhh . . . Jenner helped start all this!

( notyourfetish )
Ikr? I can't stand his ass.

He also thinks gay people shouldn't be married. All TIMs are homophobes like him. It's why they don't give a shit about destroying our spaces and our rights


( XX_Power )
Yes!!!! Crossdressing has insanely homophobic origins and even still a few years ago you'd have crossdressers sticking up their noses at the "gross gays". Only when they realized they could hitch themselves to a winning team did they put their worst homophobia in a drawer and tried to act like they loved them to get into women's spaces.

Imagine telling a crossdresser in the 70s that he'd be allowed, state sanctioned! To intrude not only into spaces where women undress, but even where little girls are??? Beyond their wildest disgusting dreams.

And here we are...

worried19 , sonic_fiXXation & Owlchaser #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Has anyone else tried to just ... stop caring?

( worried19 )
I'm not sure what to suggest. I feel highly distressed by the recent news, especially out of Texas, where it seems like everyone has come out of the woodwork to support hormones and surgeries on actual fucking children. They are sterilizing children, cutting off healthy body parts, and celebrities and the mainstream media celebrate this. There is no real journalism anymore, outside of a few brave outlets. It's just sickening. How can this be happening? How can so many people be okay with hurting children's minds and bodies, especially after years (fucking years) of denying that anyone was ever touching children under the age of 18. TRAs are evil. I want to believe some are just ignorant and misguided, but the people orchestrating this are pure evil. It's so wrong what they're doing. I'm not a religious person. I don't even think I believe in hell. But I hope to God these people have to give an accounting of their actions someday.

( sonic_fiXXation )
Sometimes I indulge in a bit of dissociation, not the numb kind, the kind where I watch the human race destroy itself and laugh at it, as if I'm not a part of it.

( Owlchaser )
I think you're feeling sick and overwhelmed because you aren't doing anything about this. I'm not writing this in a finger pointing "you should be doing more, what do you expect" way.

You're on campus, but are you in a GC club talking about how insane all this is? My guess is no. At work, you probably also can't talk about it, and again I'm going to assume genderism is shoved in your face on a regular basis (be it coworkers, pronoun signatures, etc) without you being able to do anything about it; even so much as speaking freely.

I feel the same. Yes, I know the reasons why we 'can't' speak up. But right now there are people in Ukraine standing in front of tanks. I think all of this cognitive dissonance is occurring because we know that we're right. We know how utterly, fantastically stupid genderism's claims are. But we're scared to speak out because of the social pressure and potential financial damage (being fired, black listed, and potentially facing insane TRAs).

I think the only solution is speaking out. I know it doesn't work; that friends and family cut off relationships. But I think aligning both your thoughts AND actions/words with the truth is the only solution.

Various Commenters #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

(GCnewb )

The thing about enbies

If men and women who identify as non-binary truly believe that they are a third gender or even sex, that they are neither men nor women, then why do they insist on being included in women's resources?

[...]

( Jellyfishes )
Unfortunately male NBs often enter women's spaces too


( XX_Power )
Male NBs are just lazy TIMs lol


( OutHereInTheDeep )
My thought has always been that they wanted to be seen as special, but don’t want to be associated with castration/want women to know they’re still sexually “available”.

( pennygadget )
For the female enbies, its a safety thing. They KNOW they'd be sitting ducks in a men's space

For the males, its the thrill of colonizing a female space and forcing all the girls inside to center him when he's there

Also, sadly, we know women are way more likely to tolerate this bullshit than men. Thats why our spaces are now a dumping ground for mentally ill gender-specials


( ElectricBlue )
I think there's also a wider difference in perception of TIFs/female nbs than TIMs/male nbs. I think the TWAW campaign has been so successful that a lot of people now do believe that TWAW, whereas whatever woke thing they might say, they still do just believe an NB woman is a woman with some kinda fancy deal going on.

( platypus )
Because everyone knows a "non-binary female" is just a woman.

The thing is, by trans rhetoric, we're all non-binary, too.

A lot of NB women are just trying to go along and say "well okay, if 'woman' now means 'someone with a female gender identity,' and a female with no internal gender identity is 'non-binary,' then I guess I'm non-binary? No big deal I guess?"

But of course, once you say those words, the pressure is on for you to "prove it" by going on T and getting top surgery.

It's a trick designed to induct women into the cult.


( no- )

we're all non-binary

That's the thing. If you're a human being and not a walking pair of tits who identifies as a sex object, you're technically not a woman according to genderism. Not liking sexism automatically makes you nonbinary, because we all know a real woman is a brave and stunning transwimmin who cosplays as a bimbo for fun.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( jvsmine )
"I'm afraid my thing will get hard and that will make me uncomfortable" ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME even with the teenage TIMs. I don't feel bad when they grow up to mutilate themselves, especially not the transbian ones. young TIMs are just as male as adult ones. keep them the fuck away from our daughters.


( hmimperialtortie )
All too few of them do get the lop. They’re not remotely “dysphoric” (a term I’m sick to death of seeing, tbh). They want their preferred rape weapon available.


( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
Yeah, it's crazy how gender dysphoria went from "extreme distress over one's anatomic sex" to "fear of being correctly identified as a pervert".


( hmimperialtortie )
I’m sick of seeing it applied to everyone who dislikes aspects of their body or social role, for that matter.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: r/reddit is not feeling Lia Thomas et al. at all

( Owlchaser )
I hate the "I'm a transwoman and I agree with it" garbage.

Get out of our private spaces, stop using language that identifies us, stop saying you are one of us. This opinion that what TIMs do is unfair only in sports is ludicrous.

( shewolfoffrance )
This is why I don't believe in "based" TiMs. Even if they concede that males shouldn't be in women's sports, they always want to extract something from women in exchange, like insisting that it's ok if they use the women's bathroom "if they pass".

If Debbie Hayton types accomplish something good for women, that's great. But I do not trust for one second that he or his ilk would be willing to give up something they want, that rightly belongs to women, just because they know it's the right thing to do.


( XX_Power )
Debbie hayton just wants to be an extra special man, it's soooooo obvious. First by trooning out and terrorising his wife and children and now by being the good™ trutrans™

It's a no from me dawg

( Althea )
I think a small percentage of TIMs want to distance themselves from trans athletes because they're uncomfortable about how much negative PR the issue is generating.


( butchplease )
They openly say that, too. "This is so unfair to trans women!!! :(" they never care about actual women.

( Omina_Sentenziosa )
I think the percentage of TIMs doing that is far from small.


( Althea )
I don't think so... in social media discussions of trans athletes, the ones with trans flags in their bios tend to vehemently insist TIMs should be on the women's team. I think most TIMs do not want there to be ANY area in which it's socially acceptable not to treat them as real women, because doing so may open the floodgates.

( Fredrica )
Doing so WILL open the floodgates. That "biological advantage" is also that "biological reality" of sexual assault etc as male-typical crimes against women. The pieces just need to be put together. I think first sports will draw the line, then women's prisons next.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( HildegardVonBees )

We know that trans and non-binary people have existed for thousands of years.

eye roll


( hmimperialtortie )
They don’t fucking exist now, let alone for millennia. Neither condition is real.

Unless that’s a roundabout way of saying liars and fantasists have existed for millennia, in which case, sure.


( Eava )
And where are all the suicides? How were the morgues not full of teenagers who couldn't live as the opposite sex?


( Carthimundia )
Exactly. Why has this suddenly become a life threatening condition where children need treatment or they will kill themselves? The DSM in the late 80s reported that children with gender dysphoria grow out of it on their own as they mature. Why has this naturally terminating mental health condition suddenly become terminal in the last decade?


( pennygadget )

And where are all the suicides? How were the morgues not full of teenagers who couldn't live as the opposite sex?

Exactly! If trans kids have ALWAYS been a thing and not giving them hormones is a guaranteed suicide, than why isn't history full of child suicides?

On the contrary, child suicide was incredibly rare up until very recently even among kids with hard lives. We didn't see masses of Black kids killing themselves during slavery and Jim Crowe. But I'm supposed to believe that masses of trans eight year olds will leap into traffic like lemmings if Greg Abbott doesn't give them Lupron and let them shit in whatever bathroom they want?

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

(sarstan)
Losing my mind

I sometimes feel like I'm on a path to madness as I watch the world accept man after man as women. I have tried to do a mental game where I imagine what the world would be like if I just let men be women and don't worry about it, but I always come back to what's being done to kids, and women who don't have a voice or a choice, forced to be with men in prisons & shelters, or women in medical care forced to accept a male who's larping as a woman touching them intimately without the ability to speak up. I dunno. I'm burned out by it all and at the end of my rope. I'm ovarit. Anyone else?

( ProxyMusic )
Yes, I've felt like I'm going out of my mind for several years now. I'm at the end of my tether too.

I dunno how we ended up in a world where it's considered bigoted not to believe that clearly deranged, depraved men with sexual fetishes are women, and where big strapping full-grown blokes in fetish gear - including convicted sex criminals - are portrayed as "the most vulnerable" people in society.

I often refer to the sick, twisted world we're now living in as Caliguland.

( sarstan )
100% agree. This only leads to zero boundaries or accountablity for men and gross sex shit all around us, including in public.

( BlankandPitiless )
I have been saying for 6 years that the left is just as susceptible to propaganda and brainwashing as the right, maybe even more so because they consider themselves to be more intelligent. I have watched over and over again liberal people be taken in by con artists who say the right things and are the right demographics despite mountains of evidence that what they say isn't true. I have watched them push perverse agendas at the expense of women and children all while pretending its empowering and enlightened. And I KNOW all of this is largely because women started to get too much power, we had HRC a hair away from the presidency, women were finally speaking up with MeToo, girls are outperforming boys in academics, etc. But instead of realizing that they are being propagandized, the left has bought into it hook line and sinker and they will SILENCE anyone that disagrees. It's worse than anything I have ever seen on the right. I don't agree with all of their fears about immigration or abortion, but I understand the logic of why they feel that way however wrong it is. I simply do not understand how someone can say a man is a woman and a penis is female.

HuaMulan & actualdyke #transphobia ovarit.com

(HuaMulan)
When talking about trans-identified people, we should make sure

Now, there are plenty of valid reasons for people to change their first names. These range from "my past traumatizes me and I would like to symbolically start off fresh" to "I would like to honor my heritage." In cases like these, I'd probably be more than happy to oblige when dealing with people who have adopted new names.

However, if the reason for the name change is motivated by gender confusion, criminal activity, or other malicious factors, I will not honor it. The "trans" people everywhere around us are pretty much criminals, anyway, considering how they treat actual women. In instances where the "trans" name is much more familiar than the "dead" name, I can understand the motive for additional clarification if necessary, but let's try to ensure that it's clear which name is the "real" name (e.g. "Jaron (Jazz) is one of the most notorious Munchausen by Proxy victims of this trans social contagion.").

Bottom line is, if he was born Jaron but changed his identity to a "she" named Jazz, then we use "him" and "Jaron". If she was born Ellen but changed her identity to a "he" named Elliot, then we use "she" and "Ellen." End of story.

I simply cannot understand why we, as radical feminists, should be honoring their demands and rewarding them; it just fuels their delusion and if unchecked, their problem only gets more and more severe. Plus, it opens up more cans of worms: if we should use their preferred names, why shouldn't we honor their preferred pronouns too? Or their preferred sports teams, restroom choices, changing rooms, female-only schools and universities, etc.

EDIT: removed "trans exclusionary" from text!

( actualdyke )
absolutely agree. the only time i will use a TIP's ""preferred"" name is if i don't know their real name and cant find it anywhere, but still need to refer to them. even then i'll usually make a snarky joke out of it or use a correctly-sexed version of the name (aka rachel -> richard) because i simply refuse to play into their narcissistic delusions.

SakuraBlossoms #transphobia ovarit.com

"My nephew did not choose to be trans..."

She chose her "identity" based on an unproven social theory that she could have lived her whole life without learning about. "Gender" as they all say is just a social construct, and this groomer's niece could have been raised in a culture where the social construct of being a boy was completely different. It could have been opposite--the social construct assigned to the male sex could have been wearing a dress and makeup and playing with dolls. Would she still be a boy?

Also, according to TRAs there is no physical requirement to be a boy, you can have a girl's body and call yourself a boy if you want to. You are apparently equally valid as a boy whether you are male, a female on steroids, or a female who has done no damage to her body. They claim you don't need body dysphoria or any type of gender dysphoria to be trans. And how can you know if you are comfortable with your body or genitals when you haven't even given them a chance to develop??? Choosing to destroy one's body is fully a choice, considering so many trans don't even do it. And we all agree that since children cannot consent, they cannot make the choice if they want to have sex or not, but they can make the choice to permanently destroy their bodies?!?!? While being fed lies with many genuinely believing they'll actually end up with something remotely resembling the other sex rather than suffer irreparable harm?? Even adults are denied informed consent in this regard as the TRA rhetoric pretends steroids and even genital butchery is safe.

But yeah, being tall, gay, or left-handed is the same as proposing a child can consent to bodily destruction. And there are actually people who do not realize their full sexuality until they are 18 or older, or especially until their later teens. Transing kids is like making kids lock in on their sexuality at 10 by doing some sort of permanent mutilation. That'd be insane! Look at all the asexual 11-year-olds who have been groomed to state a sexuality long before they should be thinking about sex. Maybe a few of them will turn out to be genuinely asexual but for the most part, they probably just didn't start feeling sexual attraction yet because they're children. Look at all the kids who might think they're straight at 13 because the homophobia around them has made them uncomfortable with even considering if they might be LGB.
[…]

Slippery Slope Award

also: Doomsday Fiction Award

SecondSkin #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The End Game
(submitters note: question posed "What do you think the end game is with trans ideology?")

It’s to teach us a lesson for those damned suffragettes. And time loop us back before their time. And keep us there permanently.

Women have the vote right? Wrong. Once anyone who feels like a woman is one we no longer can assess how women as a group vote. We can’t use the data to figure out what the female electorate wants prioritised, or which parties represent woman’s issues or for political parties to canvas female voter needs and appeal to us. The group women will forever exclude some actual women and include men. And there will be no way to ever address this, we will be worse off that the suffragettes were, because at least they could hold meetings for women to change things. We won’t ever have that opportunity if self id comes in because any women’s group will have to be open to men also. And they’ll talk over us. And tell us that female health needs or employment needs or childcare and so on are not women’s issues because they don’t effect them, but that prostrate cancer and free boob jobs on the nhs need centred as the women’s issue funding needs directed too. And that they feel the rape survivor groups the government funds should now focus on sex work as a way of empowering survivors to find sex positivity and that playboy party Friday is the new weekly world book day in schools. And what the fuck can us actual women do about it? Nothing, not once self id is legal. Even way way way back when we were owned by our husbands and not allowed Education we had greater chance at improving women’s rights than we will if self id comes in- because at least then we could say what a woman was, we could create underground groups to tackle women’s needs and rights. And obviously it worked over time. But self id comes in and that won’t even be an option, because so many women are pro twaw line. So they’d infiltrate any attempt we made to expose us and have us punished. All while our children are in schools being brainwashed into believing twaw from birth, by drag queen teachers. So the truth would die with us. Except somewhere deep down our girls would know, they just would never have the language for it, having had their tongues tied by mantra and the history books trans-washed.

This is the end result. The ultimate silencing. With no way of the truth reasserting itself ever.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE:Stop right there sir! Were you about to fetishize that lesbian? Not without this lipstick you weren't. Now go get em tiger!

( carbon0va )

Men wouldn't do that bcos they want to be the special man, not to pretend to be a woman

The truth just slips out, doesn't it.


( XX_Power )
Well he has a point that they're different. Lesbian fetishizing men are scumbags while TIMs are delusional scumbags in ugly clothes.

(butchplease )
Whatever helps you feel better about being a sexual predator, I guess.

( notyourfetish )
Men make me sick to my stomach. Just actually sick. They can't just leave us alone. A billion straight women on the planet and they obsess over the 2% lesbians

Fuck off, rapists. Get out of our spaces, get off our dating apps. LESBIANS DON'T WANT YOU.

( hmimperialtortie )
Transmoids really are the lowest of the low.

( mathlover )
Two different motivations for heterosexual men to want to rape lesbians. At the root of both, though, are the fundamentals of male socialized sexuality. Men feeling they are entitled to ALL women's bodies, and the gratification of violating women (ie; lesbians) who would never desire them or consent to be with them.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

(eggs_of_steel)
And what about children's instinct?

A point not made much mention of is that fact that bodies matter, and humans instinctively, as children, know this.

Forcing girls and young women to share their spaces and to not go with their very natural instinct of recognising (with near 100% accuracy) a male human, is forcing them to gaslight themselves about what they see and who to be wary of.

( pennygadget )
It also grooms them to ignore the inner "danger radar" that all kids (and ESPECIALLY GIRLS) have and need to cultivate. We're training girls to believe that it's bigoted for them to question a man's presence in their space even when they're obviously creepy.

IMO, the goal of this trans nonsense is to train girls to ignore the inner voice that tells them "DANGER!! RUN AWAY!" until that voice just dies altogether


( bellatrixbells )
I'm already of the opinion that woke culture teaches us to ignore our instinct anyways. I've tolerated more than one black, latino or arab men being creepy or insistent because I was afraid of being called racist. In one case it ended very badly for me.


( eggs_of_steel )
oh lawd yes same.


( bellatrixbells )
I hate to read this. We're really in a bind 😠

( Researcher1536 )
I can't separate TRAs from pedos and/or pedo apologists. We've seen a mountain of alarming evidence that makes it clear that this movement seeks to breakdown child safeguarding in all its forms, wants women silenced because we protect each other and children, and will stop at nothing but total obedience to this insidious ideology that wants to upend the very things that make us human.


( Misssarcasm )
The venn diagramme is a circle


( hmimperialtortie )
There’s no point trying to separate them, is there? TRAs are caping for paedophiles whether they mean to or not.

femlez34 #transphobia ovarit.com

Oh my god, I'm so sorry this happened to you.

I would say for a lot of allies, they really just don't know any AGP TIMs irl. Maybe one of their friends has a 12 year old daughter who is experimenting with her hair and wearing bowties or something and they see it as normal adolescent exploration, they hear people they respect on tv telling them that trans people really do have the brains of the opposite sex and they believe it. Why wouldn't they? No one has enough time in the day to question literally everything they hear and quit their jobs to go do scientific research on everything. We're a trusting species. Every morning when I turn on my tap to get a drink of water I'm trusting hundreds of government officials and utility company employees and my building management that this water is safe.

I peaked the same way you did, being sexually harassed non-stop in lesbian spaces by AGPs. Like you said, it becomes impossible to believe that this person has a "girl brain" when they don't act anything like any woman you've ever met. I've never met a woman who blows up and threatens to rape me when I politely turn her down for a date. I have a bi friend who was stalked by a TIM that would hang out on her block and text her that he would knock her unconscious when she came home from work. Instead of being innocent people who are safer than "cis" men, it's the opposite. TIMs have a much higher concentration of sexual predators and perverts than normal men, and the prison statistics back it up (TIMs incarcerated at 4x the rate of normal men, and ~50% of them in jail for sex offenses compared to ~10% of regular men). These are not people who need a green light to walk into public locker rooms so that they can get a sexual thrill from flashing their penises at 6 year old girls. We need to keep waking people up to the reality of this situation.

sapphicafemme , Gladys_Kravitz & Stealthygal #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Sometimes I can’t believe that some parents pretend their minor children are the opposite sex

( sapphicafemme )
They hate their kids and want to set the up for failure. On top of that, they get to use the “my kid’s trans” card anytime they need to get out of a tough situation. It’s not hard. It’s a win/win especially when both parents are on board.

[...]

( Gladys_Kravitz )
Those parents aren't scared or confused either. They want to deliberately punish and hurt their children, or they can't be bothered to actually sit down and listen to their kids. Those services are super expensive, many cold, distant, rich parents can't be bothered to actually connect with their kids and send them off to those torture camps.

Ignorance is not a valid defense when it comes to suspending someone's civil and human rights. You also cannot get away with saying "but I thought it would help them!" because that also isn't a valid defense. Parents who beat the devil out of their children also think they're helping them, but we all recognize it's abuse and hold them accountable despite how scared or confused they might be.

Parents of trans kids are no different. They are deliberately hurting their children and need to be held accountable, despite their personal worries or feelings over the issue.

Edit: for some reason people interpret things like this as "ONLY the parents should get in trouble" which is so far from what I mean it's actually laughable.

Every single adult involved with the transition of a child needs to be held accountable. Don't go after just one type of person, they are all responsible. The doctors, the therapists, the parents, etc. They have all colluded against the child.

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( Stealthygal )
It's a polite fiction we maintain. Nobody wants to be like homophobes of the past who said gay people were sick and wrong. And we can all think to ourselves "well gosh yes how we feel inside is super important, if this person feels inside that they are a different sex then it's really good to affirm them because it would be so cruel and wrong to tell them otherwise".

mathlover #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: r/MtF OP finds Buffalo Bill relatable, but is mad about the negative media representation for TiMs

Buffalo Bill is the prototype for every AGP "trans" male today, which is nearly all of them. They all identify with some aspect(s) of Buffalo Bill.

VestalVirgin & Misssarcasm #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: It’s Hard to be Nonbinary and Have PCOS When Medical Language is Still so Gendered - The Unwritten

( VestalVirgin )
I have a lot of compassion for women with PCOS, but this shit ...

Really, how about we just don't let women with speshul gender identities access healthcare meant for women anymore?

Whenever they realize that their health is more important than their egotrip, they can admit they're women and get access. I mean, apparently her PCOS isn't so bad yet if she can still think her hurt genderfeelz are the main reason why it's "hard".

( Misssarcasm )
This sister. If they dont want to be part of the team, dont let them use our ressources. Surely there are enough EnBys with medical degrees to handle their physical problems which are in no way related their physical bodies. And just imagine how tRigGeRed they must feel when entering a female-only room!!

femlez34 , proudcatlady & actualdyke #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The only question we need to ask TRAs

( femlez34 )
Their response is that "trans women" are magically incapable of criminal activity. If you believe in the oppression olympics, it's only cis white straight Christian males who are capable of wrongdoing, everyone else is only ever a victim. It doesn't matter if you tell them that 50% of TIMs are in jail for committing sex crimes, then they'll say "well, those aren't trans women then, they must be cis men pretending to be trans women". Then you can respond, "okay, well if cis male sex predators are so good at convincing prison wardens and doctors and judges that they're 'real trans women', what's going to keep them out of women's public bathrooms and locker rooms?"

Ultimately it doesn't matter what a person's gender soul is if the result is the same. TRA's will never concede that TIMs aren't women, the best we can do is get them to concede that the result is increased violence against women and children. The TIMs themself of course don't care, any number of women raped is acceptable collateral damage for one man's fetish fulfillment, but most reasonable liberals won't agree.

( proudcatlady )
They think men are more violent to transwomen than to actual women. They will tell you that with a straight face.

( actualdyke )
the true answer that they don't wanna say out loud: they know males are dangerous, they're just willing to sacrifice women and unwilling to sacrifice TIMs.

actualdyke #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TIMs don't understand that the positive attention they receive from woke women comes from pity

a theory to add to this: even the most woke of allies notices how 'lesbian' TIMs almost exclusively seek sexual encounters with those who are not attracted to them. Therefore their constant fawning and compliments and validation is lowkey them trying to avoid the rapey nature of TIMs, because they know that the more disinterested and unattracted you seem, the more TIMs will force themselves upon you.

actualdyke & n3847 #transphobia ovarit.com

actualdyke:
Transactivism: the only "rights" movement that loses support as people learn more.

Title says it all really. It just completely astounds me that they continue to attempt to legitimize their movement by comparing it to the fight for civil rights or the fight for women's rights or the fight for gay rights. What all those movements had in common is while they may have been met with bigotry all throughout and still to this day, the general pattern is that the more the public learned about each group and the more the public learned about their movement and their goals and their requests, the more support they got & the more they changed people's minds about them, until finally they gained those rights and that support. Transactivism seems to be the only movement going the opposite way - they suddenly captured every institution in the West and have more support than any legitimate rights movement would ever dream of getting so fast (not to mention they have all the rights they claim not to have & more), yet the more TRUTH about them that the public learns, the more that that support seems to diminish & the more people are turning against them, not towards rhem

n3847:
It's funny when they try to compare themselves to Black people. Black people be like, "Being Black isn't a mental illness", lol. The same with women, being a woman is not a mental illness. Being gay is not a mental illness. It's used to be considered that but, it's not. Homosexuals don't think the OPPOSITE of reality. They're just another sexual orientation. The TRAs keep compare what they are doing to the Gay Rights Movement but they are not the same. Gay Rights Movement's goal was acceptance and assimilation - NOT domination. They didn't seek to brainwash kids into being anything. They didn't promote dangerous and unnecessary surgeries and hormones. They didn't want to invade women's spaces. They didn't seek to convince anyone they were anything, only accept THEM as they are. The more we learn about TR movement, the more I despise them.

I started out as "Transwomen are women", I'm now ready to outlaw "transition" surgeries - therapy ONLY, declare Gender/Trans ideology as a public health crisis, exclude teaching of Trans/Non-Binary anything in schools in all 50 states - LGB only, ban them from sports altogether, and go to the Supreme Court to throw them out of women's spaces in all 50 states

NotEnoughPages , n3847 & hmimperialtortie #transphobia ovarit.com

( NotEnoughPages )
Why are TIMs so jealous of the violence we've suffered? Why must they constantly romanticize our suffering as "cis privilege" and, simultaneously, dismiss our lived reality? Why the need to disabuse us of our trauma in lieu of their own alleged oppression?

( n3847 )
These people are deranged. What does being raped as a teen have to do with "transphobia"? I just find it ironic that the community of "empathy" and "acceptance" has no compassion for a rape victim in their own community. They'll cynically use trans rape victims and suicides but will shit all over those same people when that person can't give them unadulterated worship and validation. Her story wasn't about them but they took offense to it because it wasn't about THEIR pain and oppression. Everything has to be about them. I have no doubt that is was mostly Tran-Identified Males that took offense. She would probably get alot more compassion here than she would in the trans community. I feel sorry for her because her "transition" was probably a means of escaping that trauma and she didn't need them. They're self-centered vultures who only care about themselves.

( hmimperialtortie )
It’s a male supremacist movement, there was never going to be any sympathy for women and girls, whether they claim to be men or not. It’s their place to be the sexual property of transvestite men.

( n3847 )
I don't really think they're that deep in terms of thinking. They're just raging narcissists and fetishists with the male tendency of expecting obedience from others. I think you're giving them way too much credit, lol.

( hmimperialtortie )
Individually they may not be, but the movement is MRAs in drag. It’s deliberate. Its point is to destroy women’s rights.

actualdyke & butchplease #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

(actualdyke)
Do y'all think "the shift" was intentional?

By "the shift" I mean the unidentified turning point over the last ~half-decade where transgender activism moved from 'we just want to live' 'we just want to pee' 'we just want to work', to 'we are biological women, sleep with us or you're transphobic, if you see us flashing our hard-ons in the locker room just look away bigot'. This shift has always intrigued me because I for example, as a young teen heavily entrenched in the Internet, definitely recall the earlier trans movement as being much less hostile and much more 'normative' than it is now. You also hear stories of transsexuals in the past working alongside women, ultimately acknowledging themselves as males, etc. But on the other hand, you have all these insane trans manifestos from the 70s that clearly outline their goal of replacing real women & declaring themselves superior which are kiiind of hard to ignore lmao.

As always, whenever I puzzle over these things, I like to turn to the women of Ovarit. I'm sure all of you have different experiences with transactivism, especially the older ladies here, and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Do you think the trans movement genuinely started as a rights movement that turned sour once blue haired activists jumped on it, or do you think it was sinister from the get-go and they intentionally started out innocuous so that they could go full transycho once they successfully infiltrated everywhere in the west? (I personally lean towards the latter lol)

( butchplease )
One hundred fucking percent. This is all highly intentional. This is orchestrated. Whatever you think of men, you will have to admit that they are extremely good at using their capital to push women back under the boot in the most psychologically destructive ways imaginable. This must be THE most efficient backlash against feminism in the history of women's rights. Within just a few years, men have managed to demonise us completely, to erase our class consciousness, and to make us willing participants in our own downfall. It's absolutely astounding. And women won't wake up until it's too late.

Sesostris , sojourner_truth_ & sapphicafemme #sexist #transphobia ovarit.com

(Sesostris)
Teacher has a 'transition closet' for kids to change in

He has a closet so that kids can come to school in 'parent-approved' clothes and then get changed into their 'true self' clothes at school.

Twitter link: https://twitter.com/Teacher_Exposed/status/1493418406468468745

This is pretty freaking unbelievable, and if I were a parent, I'd be furious.

(sojourner_truth_ )
There's no way this teacher hasn't hidden a camera in that changing booth. The school bathrooms are right there, and he could even make a big show of sending TIM students to the girl's bathroom for even more woke points. But he has a booth instead so he can plant like 6 cameras in there.

( sapphicafemme )
They just need to stop letting men teach or be around children. They don’t know how to act. When I was a kid and went to a uniform school, I’d change to wear something else I liked. I went to that bathroom to change. I can’t even fathom what’s going through this man’s head that made him think putting up a “transition closet” was a better choice than just changing in the bathroom. Either there’s a camera in there or he desperately wants to be in the same room as a child changing their clothes. There’s no way. There’s no way there isn’t something weird going on here. If men don’t want to figure it out and fix it, they need to be taken out of the classroom

Owlchaser #transphobia ovarit.com

(submitters note: in response to a trans woman tweeting "Hello I'm one of these "trans activists" and here are my insane demands:
- I want to be able to carry on using the toilets I do already
- I want access to healthcare for me and my friends
- I want the 4x rise in hate crimes to be addressed
- I want you to leave us alone")

I want to be able to carry on being a voyeuristic male, using the women's toilets, as I do already
I want you and everyone else in society to pay for unnecessary mutilating cosmetic surgeries, for me and my friends
I want men to stop killing each other (???)
I want you to shut up and get back in the kitchen

womenshealthnurse & proudcatlady #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: Being a TRA as Male Privilege

( womenshealthnurse )
I'm married to a man and I do find it endlessly interesting how different our experiences of the world are. His world is so much less scary than mine and has been that way for his whole life.

I've also become more aware recently of how differently I feel when I'm out in public with him vs when I'm out in public alone. I am more vigilant and aware when I'm alone than when we are together.

Interesting to tie this in with the aggressive nature of TIM's attacks on women and treating us as though we are histrionic for not wanting men in our private spaces. It does track that they would not have awareness of how vulnerable we can feel when men are present in those spaces.

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(proudcatlady )
I think some of this is down to men not valuing life the way we do. Not even their own. It reminds me of how my parents would make me save up to buy something they could just afford to buy me because they wanted me to learn the value of money so I’d take care of my things better. Men don’t do anything to create life so of course they don’t value it at all.

Hyacinth & Veneficca #transphobia #pratt ovarit.com

( Hyacinth )
I am worried about the men "transitioning" which means no SRS, "trans-genders" not trans-sexuals who will start thinking being a "legal woman" will mean easier access in adopting and fostering as a single man excuse me as "a single woman"

I believe in some places/states adoption & fostering is open to single men? I'm not sure how prevalent it is, but wait, first the transgender pedophiles will start thinking and saying access to kids and infants should be easier then it will become easier, as the holy trans label will allow them to escape the proper scrutiny attended to men and they will claim discrimination and transphobia at every turn.

There are ways around financial roadblocks with multiple pedophilies financing the ploy for trafficked young victims. Nothing stoping "a mother" from leaving the country with her child.

Really dark days a head of us.


( Veneficca )
Yep, I've had the same fears. Can you imagine someone like Yaniv offering to foster young girls? TIMs holding playdates with other TIMs? Pedo paradise.

It's always the most disadvantaged and vulnerable hurt by this. Women in shelters and prisons. Foster kids. It's a never ending horror film.

DietCokeAddict , BJ581 & sojourner_truth_ #kinkshaming #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Biden's new Dept of Energy hire is genderfluid who is a furry WTAF?????

( DietCokeAddict )
Lol at the outraged replies - one says

This is out of context! He doesn’t have sex with animals, he has sex with male humans who act like “pups”

Oh well that’s totally normal then.

( BJ581 )
Exactly. Furries and the like that sexualize non-human animals need to start being viewed like “altruistic pedophiles.” All that means is “hasn’t abused a non-human animal yet.” It’s still an inappropriate sexualization of a non-consenting being, and it’s disgusting and unacceptable.

( sojourner_truth_ )
-minor correction All that means is he claims he hasn't abused an animal yet. Press X to doubt.

( BJ581 )
Absolutely right. Going after victims who can’t defend themselves or tell someone what a worthless piece of garbage you are. The level of pathetic is unmatched. It’s interesting how “masculinity” is always about hurting people/animals so much weaker than yourself. Says something about the fragility of the entire concept.

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