scientists would know about it

CertifiedRabbi #fundie reddit.com

Contrary to the common talking point that eugenics is "thoroughly debunked pseudoscience", eugenics is actually one of the most important ideas in all of human history. There's nothing pseudoscientific about the idea of improving the human gene pool. Virtually all scientists, academics, intellectuals, and progressives in the late 19th and early 20th century supported eugenics for a reason: it's the logical conclusion of Darwinian evolution.

We all recognize the importance of keeping the gene pools strong and healthy in other species, but we make an exception for our own species because we think that we're somehow immune from the accumulative effects of dysgenics. Reality check: we're not.
After the Nazis tried to implement their utopian Aryan society through utilizing extremely brutal forms of eugenics, the Western world decided to not only turn their backs on eugenics, but we went in the exact opposite direction by actually celebrating dysgenics.
The left encourages mass 3rd world immigration and miscegenation and embraces various forms of Marxism and egalitarianism, and the right demonizes birth control and abortion and embraces Christian universalism. Adopting 3rd world kids and dating outside of your race has almost become a fashion statement on both the left and the right. And the right has become even more dysgenic by viewing handicapped babies as a blessing from God. At least the left still has enough common sense to abort their handicapped fetuses. That's why down syndrome is almost completely non-existent in Iceland now.

Now, I'm not saying that we should become like the ancient Greeks and practice infanticide by tossing our handicapped babies off of a cliff, or like the early 20th century American progressives by forcibly sterilizing the feeble minded, or like the Nazis by gassing the mentally ill and other undesirables. But we need to start rethinking our opposition to eugenics now that we have enough scientific understanding and technical know-how to implement the utopian promises of eugenics without violating anyone's basic human rights.

We can all agree that countries like Switzerland and Japan greatly benefit from having an average IQ score that's about 30 points higher than the average IQ score in Nigeria and Kenya, right? Well, imagine if we could create a society that had an average IQ score of 130, 150, 180, or even 200. And imagine if we could locate the genes and alleles that make people extremely conscientious. And imagine if we could locate the genes and alleles that allow people to live long, healthy lives and break world records in sports. And imagine if we could humanely remove the genes and alleles that make people prone to criminality. We'd be able to create the most advanced civilization that ever existed within just 3 or 4 generations. And every generation would be a significant improvement over the last generation.

And we could accomplish this utopian vision without forcibly sterilizing or killing anyone. All we'd have to do is subsidize contraception and early-term abortion and make genome sequencing, embryo selection, and precision gene editing mandatory by law. Crime would disappear; productivity, GDP, and technological advancement would sky rocket; political corruption and bad governance in general would be a thing of the past; health care costs would plummet; everyone would look like supermodels; et cetera.
And leftists should support this utopian sci-fi vision as well because we'd finally be able to solve inequality and transcend the primitive tribalism that has defined our species for millennium. We'd also finally be able to fix the underlying genetic shortcomings which have held back the lower classes and brown people over the last several decades. And we'd actually be greatly diminishing human suffering by curing genetic diseases.

Eugenics is also the most logical and effective solution to climate change and a long list of other serious environmental problems. I'm a former far-left environmental extremist, so I'm very aware of the fact that human overpopulation is almost always the root cause of most environmental challenges. I'm also very aware of the fact that exponential human population growth is a looming crisis that barely anyone has the balls to talk about because they don't want to be viewed as creepy misanthropes and Bond villains. But the fact remains that our planet's dwindling natural resources simply can't sustain a population of 10+ billion people, especially if standards of living and consumption levels in the 3rd world continue to rise. So, if we have to dramatically reduce the human population, then selecting for the best and brightest simply makes sense.

Pastor Winthrop III #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Why are some people so gullible as to believe the Evolution Theory?

I wish people would actually investigate the facts and not let certain "scientists" influence their vulnernable and weak-willed minds.

I have corresponded with most of the evolutionary scientists out there: Lenksi, Felsenstein, Charlesworth, Wood, Crow, Ewens etc....and I was surprised at how little evidence they could bring forth in support of the Theory. Ewens even admitted that the fundamental theorem of natural selection ( as proposed by Ronald Fisher) does NOT relate to evolution.

When you examine the fossil record and the dearth of transitional fossils, the sudden explosion of new species in a short timeframe, the lack of genomic evidence ( did you know the mouse has more genes than a human) , the fact that symbiosis is far more prevalent in Nature than competition and selection, you begin to realize just how much the modern synthesis stinks.

Stefan Stanford & Anonymous e-mailer #conspiracy allnewspipeline.com

Did CERN Bring Down German Airbus A320? Plane Crash 'Conspiracy Theories' Emerge Include The 'Hudson ISIS Time River Theory'

UPDATE: Two Americans have been identified as dead in the crash. Yvonne Selke was a contractor with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's satellite mapping office. Was she possibly a target in this crash? Did she know something that someone didn't want the rest of the world to know? Was it brought down via an EMP-type weapon? Her daughter Emily was also killed in the crash.

With the restart of the occultic CERN large hadron collider at double the energy now delayed indefinitely due to an electrical fault, 'conspiracy theories' immediately began emerging across the internet after the crash of German Airbus A320 in the French Alps, only 127+ miles away from CERN, as people across the world began to seek out causes for this tragedy as shared in 1st video below from FaceLikeTheSun.

With theories ranging from CERN to terrorism to Russian jets to the 'Hudson ISIS Time River' theory, ANP finds it strange that nearly immediately after CERN-caused plane crash theories began to emerge, both the Associated Press and Reuters/Yahoo News published stories telling us that the restart of CERN had been forced to shut down due to an electrical fault/short-circuit found in the wiring systems of one of CERN's 'vital magnets'. Questions need answers. Why did the plane JUST fall out of the sky for 8 minutes? How does the White House KNOW that terrorism wasn't involved? Stories running in The Mirror and Daily Mail now call out an electrical fault on the plane as a possible cause.

GENEVA (Reuters) - Scientists at Europe's CERN research center have had to postpone the imminent relaunch of their refitted 'Big Bang' machine, the Large Hadron Collider, because of a short-circuit in the wiring of one of the vital magnets. "Current indications suggest a delay of between a few days and several weeks," a statement from the world's leading particle physics research center said on Tuesday.

Could CERN have caused this tragedy? While a fringe theory at best, this recent story from Susan Duclos points out that even scientific experts are deeply concerned about CERN's restart with talk of CERN possibly opening micro-black holes, parallel universes and extra dimensions. Much more below including the 'Hudson ISIS Time River Theory'.

While it is true that A-320 went down over 125 miles away from CERN, it was brought to our attention that IF this crash had anything to do with CERN, the field the LHC would cast 20,000+ feet in the air would be much different than at the surface. The next video below explores this hypothesis in more detail.

WHAT is the "Hudson ISIS Time River" theory? I've republished an email below from a reader for you to decipher.

THE LOCATION OF THE PLANE CRASH IS 127 MILES FROM CERN.... (AS THE CROW FLIES)

Distance from Méolans-Revel to CERN
127.30 mi Straight Distance
202 mi Driving Distance

QUOTE FROM CERN PT 4: "The first thing I notice here is that the dig site is only about 172 miles from CERN. "

127 AND 172. INTERESTING. HERE IS THE NUMBER AGAIN WHERE THE PLANE WENT DOWN:
Wikipedia:
Méolans-Revel:
Land Area: 127.74 km

ALSO: 144 PASSENGERS HAVE PERISHED. INTERESTING NUMBER.

THE INFO COMING OUT ABOUT THE CRASH IS PECULIAR--I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS CAUSED BY CERN--I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE... (THE 172 MILES FROM THE DIG SITE AND 127 FROM CRASH SITE ARE NOT COINCIDENTAL NONETHELESS)

HERE IS WHAT I DO KNOW! THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE AIRBUS A320 AND THE HUDSON RIVER IN MANHATTAN IS NO DARN COINCIDENCE REGARDLESS OF CAUSE!! IT IS NO JOKE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE HUDSON TIME RIVER/APOLLYON RESURRECTION RITUALS. WE HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF HOMICIDAL SACRIFICES IN THE PAST 5 WEEKS RELATED TO IT.... (I WISH EVERYONE WOULD TURN TO THE RESURRECTED CHRIST JESUS SO THAT THEY ARE SECURE ETERNALLY WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN THE MIDDLE OF A SPIRITUAL WAR THAT IS BEYOND THEIR COMPREHENSION!)

QUOTE:
"Despite the Airbus A320 having one of the best safety records in the world, the widely-used family of aircraft have been involved in a number of crashes in the three decades they have been used,
...The best-known recent incident involving the plane was when a domestic flight in the US had to put down in the Hudson River in New York.

THE AIRBUS A320 IS THE ONE KNOWN FOR THE "MIRACLE ON THE HUDSON".......!!
"On January 15, 2009, US Airways Flight 1549, an Airbus A320, made an unpowered emergency water landing in the Hudson River after multiple bird strikes caused both jet engines to fail. All 155 occupants, the passengers and crew, successfully evacuated from the partially submerged airframe as it sank into the river"

Paul's Passing Thoughts #fundie #wingnut #racist paulspassingthoughts.com

Sin, Racism, and Mass Shootings

We sin when we do naughty things, but the Bible  has much more to say about sin. The biblical explanation concerning sin explains a lot that goes on in the world that would ordinarily be perplexing. In the devil’s endeavor to be God’s coequal, or perhaps even superior to God, he created sin, but sin is nobody’s slave. The event (creation of sin) is like a Frankenstein movie where the mad scientist creates something that he cannot control. Sin stands alone as God’s paramount enemy apart from the fallen angels. Curiously, while the debate rages as to whether or not God created evil, the Bible clearly states that sin is the offspring of the devil.

Sin is described as a master that seeks to destroy through condemnation. Sin’s ability to enslave is grounded in condemnation resulting in ongoing deaths ending in eternal death. Sin seeks to exacerbate mortality. Control lust, condemnation, fear, and death are sin’s primary characteristics exemplified by those under its enslavement.

The Bible also states that sin uses desires to tempt and bring about death. Present death on the installment plan can be described as a multifaceted subtraction from wellbeing. What the Bible calls “sinful desires” vary from person to person and can take on many different forms. Sometimes we are suddenly struck with a disturbing thought or desire that may leave us a little shell shocked and wondering what kind of person we really are. That’s sin at work. Self confident people who like themselves are difficult to control. What does sin use to create these desires? That would be a worthwhile study to pursue, but lastly on this point, the perpetual fulfilling (practice) of these desires leads to an increased intensity of the desire coupled with habit. This is what we commonly refer to as an “addiction.”

Christ, in contrast, also presents himself as a master. This is how the Bible explains the reality of all of this in human terms. The sin master pays death wages only, while Christ only pays life wages. Christ is a master that, in specific Bible terminology, enslaves us to righteousness. This also means that those enslaved to sin and those enslaved to righteousness can do good AND bad alike, but in the end, this only determines the degree or amount  of wages paid by each master. It means more or lesser life wages, or more or lesser death wages. Those who belong to Christ through the new birth have the wisdom to discern good desires (the desires of the Spirit) versus sinful desires and the power to say “no” to those desires. We are defined by the desires we have and the practice of them. The conscience created by God in every human (the works of the law written on the heart) born into the world also plays into this but will not be addressed in this post.

Let’s first apply this to racism. Sin, in its endeavor to control, will use ANY excuse to do so. This can certainly include anything different. Sin looks for an opportunity to control in every circumstance; so, if you are different in some way, that equals inferiority which means we need to control you for the betterment of mankind. Since you are inferior, your best contribution to society is to know your place and do what the upper crust of society tells you to do. And in some cases, intermingling with superior races can bring all of civilization to a lower  state of being, and perhaps threaten the very existence of mankind. We call this, “genocide.”

So, we now know that former President Barack Obama is a hardcore racist. How do we know that? He commissioned an artist to do his formal presidential portrait who has painted depictions of angry looking black women beheading white women. It goes without saying that this is totally unacceptable. Where is the collective outrage? A populous that has been effectively shamed will keep its silence. Hence, despots can do anything while the commoners best know their place and keep silent.

But is so-called “racism” the core problem? Not really, what this really means is that Obama is a despot at heart. His racism only seeks to control by shaming white people because some were despots in the past. This whole Black Lives Matter and other business like it is an overt attempt to control through shaming and condemnation. Does it work? Well, sure it does; Obama shamed his way into being elected by guilty white people. So, apparently, it is someone else’s turn to enslave others. And what is the final solution for those unable to fulfill sin’s control-lust? Murder, of course, as depicted by other paintings from Obama’s selected artist.

I am a big fan of TV shows like Forensic Files etc. A common theme you hear often in these shows concerns motives. Often, the culprits themselves confess that they murdered in order to experience the ultimate control high; deciding whether or not someone lives or dies. In other cases, they murder because someone would not submit to their wishes. Shunned lovers who can longer control a girlfriend or boyfriend also make the cut; “If I can’t have you, nobody will!” And in many cases, killers confess that they wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. In other words, they DESIRED to fulfill that particular curiosity.

Do I think this dynamic is largely behind the mass shootings that we see in our day? I do. Frustrated with a life spiraling out of their own control, they partake in the ultimate act of control. When these people enter a no gun zone armed to the teeth, they feel like god; at that moment, they decide who lives and who dies. Do I think they are willing to trade in their whole lives in order to be god for maybe 20 minutes? I do.

None of these current events surprise me or perplex me; it is merely the dynamic of sin’s control lust at work. And if you look for it, you can see it at work in every level and venue of life.

paul

Victor Hafichuk & Paul Cohen #fundie thepathoftruth.com

What is Richard Brown smoking? Mr. Hafichuk did not say that “creationism should be exempt from the rigors of science.” He said that those teaching evolution should walk the talk, and put up some hard evidence before opening their mouths. There is not one single incontrovertible piece of evidence that supports evolution. NOT ONE. And Brown has the nerve to talk about science? His explanation of thermodynamics is pure deceitfulness. It is common knowledge among scientists, including ones espousing evolution, that there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics, whether in open or closed systems. Honest scientists admit that the organized complexity of biological organisms requires two additional factors besides an open system (sun providing energy). These are: a “program” (information) to direct the growth in organized complexity and a mechanism for storing and converting the incoming energy to maintain life. Evolution has no answer or explanation for the presence of either, the development of which contravenes the second law of thermodynamics. The formation of ice crystals from water does not answer this conundrum. Snowflakes simply represent water’s movement towards equilibrium at a lower energy level. They are not an example of matter forming itself into more organized or complex systems, but are the result of the intrinsic nature of the constituent elements forming repeating structures with minimal complexity and no function. Nobel Prize winner Ilya Prigogine puts it this way: “The point is that in a non-isolated [open] system there exists a possibility for formation of ordered, low-entropy structures at sufficiently low temperatures. This ordering principle is responsible for the appearance of ordered structures such as crystals as well as for the phenomena of phase transitions. Unfortunately this principle cannot explain the formation of biological structures.” Brown has put up a smokescreen to obfuscate the truth. He has employed sheer bravado to cover over the absolute bankrupt and totally unscientific whimsy called evolution (it cannot even be called a theory because it is entirely unprovable). Why the determined doggedness to maintain and promote blatant error? Because Brown, along with all mankind, would rather not answer to his Creator. He wants to continue as a free agent, doing what is right in his own eyes. It is the sheer arrogance of the spirit of rebellion that says to God, “Who are You to tell me what to do? I know better!” Enamored of this ungodly position, Brown becomes the consummate fool, espousing and promoting an idea that for pure ridiculousness has never, and shall never be matched. Man, made in the image of God, insists on being the son of amoeba. How great the fall!

-- Paul Cohen

Victor Hafichuk’s reply to Richard Brown, also sent as a letter to the editor:

Contemplating the controversy of evolution, I was on my lawn one day. I had spread compost on it. Everywhere I looked, I saw organic material until I spotted a fruit sticker that had not broken down in the composting. It was something obviously foreign. I realized that I could distinguish something man-made, of specific and deliberate design, versus what was natural. What person in his or her right mind could declare that the deliberate, descriptive fruit sticker could have evolved from nothing, or even on its own from something? Yet, with the God-given intelligence granted, we have discovered that the natural substance I put on the lawn has biological, intelligent, living organisms and countless design features that put the fruit sticker to shame, though we obtained the materials for making the sticker from that which already existed. I had a scientific experience, but not to be appreciated without the gift of reason. Science has observed and verified God’s creation. True science proves creation everywhere in everything, all the time. However, as monkeys cannot manufacture Lego toys in a lab, not having the reason or intelligence, though granted all the time, components, equipment, and even an enormous amount of guidance, so man who denies his Creator cannot discern the obvious. Without God, he has little reason. Without reason, he is an idiot, truly. Richard Brown dismisses teaching creationism in science class, stating that creationism cannot be substantiated by scientific principles. I may not have made my point amply clear to him, that being that anything unsubstantiated by sound scientific principles should not be permitted in science class. Evolution has not one verifiable fact. It defies all science, not to mention reason, yet its proponents call it “science.” As he has challenged creationists to “put up or shut up,” so I have challenged him to dispense with theory and tell us what sure facts there are to defend the “theory” of evolution. He has not done so. He has used big words, made himself sound like one who understands science, and even creationism, but neither he nor any one else has provided any conclusive proof to defend their ludicrous theories. My point is to address his hypocrisy, point out his sophisticated ignorance, and throw his challenge back to him. You say creationists are without substance. Show us yours. I know I can be as stupid and ignorant as any person, and could believe in evolution. I acknowledge that it is by the sheer grace of God that I can hear, see and understand. For that, I am so thankful, especially when I witness examples of such darkness in thinking as that of credulously entertaining evolution theory.

-- Victor Hafichuk

Click HERE to go to “Exposing Evolutionists.”

NephilimFree #fundie youtube.com

The flood caused the loss of the canopy which once protected life from intense sunlight and gamma and x-rat radiation. The earth's desserts are all only thousands of? years old. We know this from their rate of growth and historical record (ancient literature) which tells us places that were abundant with trees and plantlife in the past are now dessert. The polar caps have tropical plant fossils under thier ice sheets. This has been discovered by scientists.

[You realize that if the atmosphere were? thick enough to block x-rays and gamma radiation, no sunlight would reach Earth at all?]

It? was Ice above the atmosphere.

Administrator #conspiracy scam.com

The Government is covering up UFOs

I lived a somewhat isolated life through the many years of research on the ancient astronaut of the sixth century, I now know the government is covering up UFO sighting. I was pretty much wholly unaware of what was going on in the outside world with respect to UFOs, alien abductions, and the like. I had deceived myself into thinking that my ancient astronaut theory was unique and well-substantiated, and that it would quickly find some recognition from among the world's intellectuals.

Recently, a couple of Secret Space DVDs enlightened me on the reality of aliens in our contemporary world. The two DVDs came to us via regular mail from a British film director, as payment for granted permissions to make free use of the material on my website for a future project or projects. From those DVDs, I learned that aliens are nothing special, that human history is saturated with alien invasions, hundreds of them, and that such invasions have occurred on every continent and in every epoch of world history. The alien invasions continue to this day. It seems that NASA and the US intelligence agencies are supplying this film director, possibly on a daily basis, with film of alien spaceships invading our planet, and the director quickly turns to display that footage to us.

Beyond the UFO films, it looks like the US government also provided this film director with wide-ranging top-secret reports, detailed reports from the US military on how they used laser beam weapons to shoot down several alien spacecraft, reports from US scientists on how they back-engineered the technology found in the remnants of the downed alien spacecraft, reports from US astronauts in space about spotting alien UFOs all over the place, and a report, evidently dating from the early 1970s, from US astronauts on the Moon about having seen a row of alien spaceships parked along the edge of a crater. It was unclear if the US government also provided the director with the faked pictures of the lunar landing in 1969 or if he got them from another source. In any case, I see nothing wrong with NASA trying to commercialize the historic event by selling fake pictures to cover aspects of the event not filmed directly.

The Secret Space DVDs revealed to me one underlying and undeniable truth: no branch of the US government, its military or intelligence agencies, has ever had any contact with aliens whatsoever, and no branch of the US government is covering up anything. When the US government initiated the alien disinformation campaign decades ago, it was widely believed that contact with aliens was forthcoming and that this could prove harmful. Contact with aliens is no longer believed to be imminent; nonetheless, the US government rigorously continues the disinformation campaign just as a precaution. Of course, contact with civilized aliens could still prove harmful. For example, it could harm the US government's plans to continue the slaughter in Iraq, and it could harm the US government's plans to put nuclear weapons into orbit. Indeed, with the need to come to grips with extraterrestrial life, people are likely to become far less tolerate of human beings killing each other, and we might also witness a surge in war protests from around the world.

I congratulate the US government on their brilliant alien disinformation campaign. Some of the world's top-ranked psychologists must have been hired to assist them. Fifty years of fabricated UFO sightings, false alien abductions, faked cover-ups, and so forth, have discredited the aliens in the public mind, to the point that a real alien, when and if one should ever appear, may be wholly ignored. In fact, this brainwashing of the masses campaign was so successful that if a real alien spacecraft were to come to Earth and then hover directly on top of the White House, they could probably succeed in explaining it away as just a secret experiment for presidential security.

In past times, people were burned at the stake for merely believing in the existence of extraterrestrial life. There seems to be less burning at the stake these days, but other than that, nothing has changed. Then, as now, extraterrestrial intelligence remains the most terrifying obstacle for war-minded humans. Naturally, the US government has taken measures to protect its military activities from all harm.

With alien spaceships now fully discredited, the only real danger for the US government is that an astronomer somewhere or another will pick up a clear, unmistakable signal from aliens in deep space. As a precaution against this devastating possibility, the US government, a long time ago, pressured the world community into agreements whereby, in the event any astronomer picks up an alien signal, that signal would have to undergo prolonged scrutiny by the US intelligence agencies before it could be announced to the world by the United Nations. SETI astronomers be forewarned. The US government does not take kindly to anyone or anything that could upset their war plans, and there can be no guarantee that the United Nations will ever announce your discovery.

Blessedx4 #fundie rr-bb.com

It's common sense. The frog in the pot. If tomorrow our Congress passed a law blessing pedofilia there would be a national outcry... In a few years we're being told it's normal for some people to be attracted to children. Some scientist comes out and says there is a gene that makes people pedofiles. Study after study is whipped out there to convince us. Dateline and 20/20 have specials on the topic of how some people are just attracted to children. Showing 'relationships that have been going on for years' in a positive light. How sad that these people 'fear' going public. Hollywood and various celebrities scolding us for our intolerance and narrow-mindedness. Then you have comedy shows and movies-of-the-week come out. Next thing you know a law is being passed to 'bless' marriage between adults and children. And finally you have a preacher come out and say he's been secretly married to an 8 year old for 2 years. Then the church will be performing marriages between adults and children...All of this sounds ourtrageous? If it slaps us in the face today- morally we violently reject the idea. But little by little, in drips and drabs over time we become conditioned to accept sins. Disturbing but people better wake up.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. #conspiracy web.archive.org

Deadly Immunity

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.

"We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."

In fact, the government has proved to be far more adept at handling the damage than at protecting children's health. The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism. It withheld Verstraeten's findings, even though they had been slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that his original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to researchers. By the time Verstraeten finally published his study in 2003, he had gone to work for GlaxoSmithKline and reworked his data to bury the link between thimerosal and autism.

Vaccine manufacturers had already begun to phase thimerosal out of injections given to American infants -- but they continued to sell off their mercury-based supplies of vaccines until last year. The CDC and FDA gave them a hand, buying up the tainted vaccines for export to developing countries and allowing drug companies to continue using the preservative in some American vaccines -- including several pediatric flu shots as well as tetanus boosters routinely given to 11-year-olds.

The drug companies are also getting help from powerful lawmakers in Washington. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits that have been filed by the parents of injured children. On five separate occasions, Frist has tried to seal all of the government's vaccine-related documents -- including the Simpsonwood transcripts -- and shield Eli Lilly, the developer of thimerosal, from subpoenas. In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism. Congress repealed the measure in 2003 -- but earlier this year, Frist slipped another provision into an anti-terrorism bill that would deny compensation to children suffering from vaccine-related brain disorders. "The lawsuits are of such magnitude that they could put vaccine producers out of business and limit our capacity to deal with a biological attack by terrorists," says Andy Olsen, a legislative assistant to Frist.

Even many conservatives are shocked by the government's effort to cover up the dangers of thimerosal. Rep. Dan Burton, a Republican from Indiana, oversaw a three-year investigation of thimerosal after his grandson was diagnosed with autism. "Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is directly related to the autism epidemic," his House Government Reform Committee concluded in its final report. "This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding a lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal, a known neurotoxin." The FDA and other public-health agencies failed to act, the committee added, out of "institutional malfeasance for self protection" and "misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry."

The story of how government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks of thimerosal from the public is a chilling case study of institutional arrogance, power and greed. I was drawn into the controversy only reluctantly. As an attorney and environmentalist who has spent years working on issues of mercury toxicity, I frequently met mothers of autistic children who were absolutely convinced that their kids had been injured by vaccines. Privately, I was skeptical. I doubted that autism could be blamed on a single source, and I certainly understood the government's need to reassure parents that vaccinations are safe; the eradication of deadly childhood diseases depends on it. I tended to agree with skeptics like Rep. Henry Waxman, a Democrat from California, who criticized his colleagues on the House Government Reform Committee for leaping to conclusions about autism and vaccinations. "Why should we scare people about immunization," Waxman pointed out at one hearing, "until we know the facts?"

It was only after reading the Simpsonwood transcripts, studying the leading scientific research and talking with many of the nation's preeminent authorities on mercury that I became convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real. Five of my own children are members of the Thimerosal Generation -- those born between 1989 and 2003 -- who received heavy doses of mercury from vaccines. "The elementary grades are overwhelmed with children who have symptoms of neurological or immune-system damage," Patti White, a school nurse, told the House Government Reform Committee in 1999. "Vaccines are supposed to be making us healthier; however, in 25 years of nursing I have never seen so many damaged, sick kids. Something very, very wrong is happening to our children." More than 500,000 kids currently suffer from autism, and pediatricians diagnose more than 40,000 new cases every year. The disease was unknown until 1943, when it was identified and diagnosed among 11 children born in the months after thimerosal was first added to baby vaccines in 1931.

Some skeptics dispute that the rise in autism is caused by thimerosal-tainted vaccinations. They argue that the increase is a result of better diagnosis -- a theory that seems questionable at best, given that most of the new cases of autism are clustered within a single generation of children. "If the epidemic is truly an artifact of poor diagnosis," scoffs Dr. Boyd Haley, one of the world's authorities on mercury toxicity, "then where are all the 20-year-old autistics?" Other researchers point out that Americans are exposed to a greater cumulative "load" of mercury than ever before, from contaminated fish to dental fillings, and suggest that thimerosal in vaccines may be only part of a much larger problem. It's a concern that certainly deserves far more attention than it has received -- but it overlooks the fact that the mercury concentrations in vaccines dwarf other sources of exposure to our children.

What is most striking is the lengths to which many of the leading detectives have gone to ignore -- and cover up -- the evidence against thimerosal. From the very beginning, the scientific case against the mercury additive has been overwhelming. The preservative, which is used to stem fungi and bacterial growth in vaccines, contains ethylmercury, a potent neurotoxin. Truckloads of studies have shown that mercury tends to accumulate in the brains of primates and other animals after they are injected with vaccines -- and that the developing brains of infants are particularly susceptible. In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to much lower concentrations of ethylmercury than those given to American children still suffered brain damage years later. Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines 20 years ago, and Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have since followed suit.

"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe," says Haley, who heads the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky. "It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage."

Internal documents reveal that Eli Lilly, which first developed thimerosal, knew from the start that its product could cause damage -- and even death -- in both animals and humans. In 1930, the company tested thimerosal by administering it to 22 patients with terminal meningitis, all of whom died within weeks of being injected -- a fact Lilly didn't bother to report in its study declaring thimerosal safe. In 1935, researchers at another vaccine manufacturer, Pittman-Moore, warned Lilly that its claims about thimerosal's safety "did not check with ours." Half the dogs Pittman injected with thimerosal-based vaccines became sick, leading researchers there to declare the preservative "unsatisfactory as a serum intended for use on dogs."

In the decades that followed, the evidence against thimerosal continued to mount. During the Second World War, when the Department of Defense used the preservative in vaccines on soldiers, it required Lilly to label it "poison." In 1967, a study in Applied Microbiology found that thimerosal killed mice when added to injected vaccines. Four years later, Lilly's own studies discerned that thimerosal was "toxic to tissue cells" in concentrations as low as one part per million -- 100 times weaker than the concentration in a typical vaccine. Even so, the company continued to promote thimerosal as "nontoxic" and also incorporated it into topical disinfectants. In 1977, 10 babies at a Toronto hospital died when an antiseptic preserved with thimerosal was dabbed onto their umbilical cords.

In 1982, the FDA proposed a ban on over-the-counter products that contained thimerosal, and in 1991 the agency considered banning it from animal vaccines. But tragically, that same year, the CDC recommended that infants be injected with a series of mercury-laced vaccines. Newborns would be vaccinated for hepatitis B within 24 hours of birth, and 2-month-old infants would be immunized for haemophilus influenzae B and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis.

The drug industry knew the additional vaccines posed a danger. The same year that the CDC approved the new vaccines, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of the fathers of Merck's vaccine programs, warned the company that 6-month-olds who were administered the shots would suffer dangerous exposure to mercury. He recommended that thimerosal be discontinued, "especially when used on infants and children," noting that the industry knew of nontoxic alternatives. "The best way to go," he added, "is to switch to dispensing the actual vaccines without adding preservatives."

For Merck and other drug companies, however, the obstacle was money. Thimerosal enables the pharmaceutical industry to package vaccines in vials that contain multiple doses, which require additional protection because they are more easily contaminated by multiple needle entries. The larger vials cost half as much to produce as smaller, single-dose vials, making it cheaper for international agencies to distribute them to impoverished regions at risk of epidemics. Faced with this "cost consideration," Merck ignored Hilleman's warnings, and government officials continued to push more and more thimerosal-based vaccines for children. Before 1989, American preschoolers received 11 vaccinations -- for polio, diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and measles-mumps-rubella. A decade later, thanks to federal recommendations, children were receiving a total of 22 immunizations by the time they reached first grade.

As the number of vaccines increased, the rate of autism among children exploded. During the 1990s, 40 million children were injected with thimerosal-based vaccines, receiving unprecedented levels of mercury during a period critical for brain development. Despite the well-documented dangers of thimerosal, it appears that no one bothered to add up the cumulative dose of mercury that children would receive from the mandated vaccines. "What took the FDA so long to do the calculations?" Peter Patriarca, director of viral products for the agency, asked in an e-mail to the CDC in 1999. "Why didn't CDC and the advisory bodies do these calculations when they rapidly expanded the childhood immunization schedule?"

But by that time, the damage was done. Infants who received all their vaccines, plus boosters, by the age of six months were being injected with a total of 187 micrograms of ethylmercury -- a level 40 percent greater than the EPA's limit for daily exposure to methylmercury, a related neurotoxin. Although the vaccine industry insists that ethylmercury poses little danger because it breaks down rapidly and is removed by the body, several studies -- including one published in April by the National Institutes of Health -- suggest that ethylmercury is actually more toxic to developing brains and stays in the brain longer than methylmercury. Under the expanded schedule of vaccinations, multiple shots were often administered on a single day: At two months, when the infant brain is still at a critical stage of development, children routinely received three innoculations that delivered 99 times the approved limit of mercury.

Officials responsible for childhood immunizations insist that the additional vaccines were necessary to protect infants from disease and that thimerosal is still essential in developing nations, which, they often claim, cannot afford the single-dose vials that don't require a preservative. Dr. Paul Offit, one of CDC's top vaccine advisors, told me, "I think if we really have an influenza pandemic -- and certainly we will in the next 20 years, because we always do -- there's no way on God's earth that we immunize 280 million people with single-dose vials. There has to be multidose vials."

But while public-health officials may have been well-intentioned, many of those on the CDC advisory committee who backed the additional vaccines had close ties to the industry. Dr. Sam Katz, the committee's chair, was a paid consultant for most of the major vaccine makers and was part of a team that developed the measles vaccine and brought it to licensure in 1963. Dr. Neal Halsey, another committee member, worked as a researcher for the vaccine companies and received honoraria from Abbott Labs for his research on the hepatitis B vaccine.

Indeed, in the tight circle of scientists who work on vaccines, such conflicts of interest are common. Rep. Burton says that the CDC "routinely allows scientists with blatant conflicts of interest to serve on intellectual advisory committees that make recommendations on new vaccines," even though they have "interests in the products and companies for which they are supposed to be providing unbiased oversight." The House Government Reform Committee discovered that four of the eight CDC advisors who approved guidelines for a rotavirus vaccine "had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of the vaccine."

Offit, who shares a patent on one of the vaccines, acknowledged to me that he "would make money" if his vote eventually leads to a marketable product. But he dismissed my suggestion that a scientist's direct financial stake in CDC approval might bias his judgment. "It provides no conflict for me," he insists. "I have simply been informed by the process, not corrupted by it. When I sat around that table, my sole intent was trying to make recommendations that best benefited the children in this country. It's offensive to say that physicians and public-health people are in the pocket of industry and thus are making decisions that they know are unsafe for children. It's just not the way it works."

Other vaccine scientists and regulators gave me similar assurances. Like Offit, they view themselves as enlightened guardians of children's health, proud of their "partnerships" with pharmaceutical companies, immune to the seductions of personal profit, besieged by irrational activists whose anti-vaccine campaigns are endangering children's health. They are often resentful of questioning. "Science," says Offit, "is best left to scientists."

Still, some government officials were alarmed by the apparent conflicts of interest. In his e-mail to CDC administrators in 1999, Paul Patriarca of the FDA blasted federal regulators for failing to adequately scrutinize the danger posed by the added baby vaccines. "I'm not sure there will be an easy way out of the potential perception that the FDA, CDC and immunization-policy bodies may have been asleep at the switch re: thimerosal until now," Patriarca wrote. The close ties between regulatory officials and the pharmaceutical industry, he added, "will also raise questions about various advisory bodies regarding aggressive recommendations for use" of thimerosal in child vaccines.

If federal regulators and government scientists failed to grasp the potential risks of thimerosal over the years, no one could claim ignorance after the secret meeting at Simpsonwood. But rather than conduct more studies to test the link to autism and other forms of brain damage, the CDC placed politics over science. The agency turned its database on childhood vaccines -- which had been developed largely at taxpayer expense -- over to a private agency, America's Health Insurance Plans, ensuring that it could not be used for additional research. It also instructed the Institute of Medicine, an advisory organization that is part of the National Academy of Sciences, to produce a study debunking the link between thimerosal and brain disorders. The CDC "wants us to declare, well, that these things are pretty safe," Dr. Marie McCormick, who chaired the IOM's Immunization Safety Review Committee, told her fellow researchers when they first met in January 2001. "We are not ever going to come down that [autism] is a true side effect" of thimerosal exposure. According to transcripts of the meeting, the committee's chief staffer, Kathleen Stratton, predicted that the IOM would conclude that the evidence was "inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation" between thimerosal and autism. That, she added, was the result "Walt wants" -- a reference to Dr. Walter Orenstein, director of the National Immunization Program for the CDC.

For those who had devoted their lives to promoting vaccination, the revelations about thimerosal threatened to undermine everything they had worked for. "We've got a dragon by the tail here," said Dr. Michael Kaback, another committee member. "The more negative that [our] presentation is, the less likely people are to use vaccination, immunization -- and we know what the results of that will be. We are kind of caught in a trap. How we work our way out of the trap, I think is the charge."

Even in public, federal officials made it clear that their primary goal in studying thimerosal was to dispel doubts about vaccines. "Four current studies are taking place to rule out the proposed link between autism and thimerosal," Dr. Gordon Douglas, then-director of strategic planning for vaccine research at the National Institutes of Health, assured a Princeton University gathering in May 2001. "In order to undo the harmful effects of research claiming to link the [measles] vaccine to an elevated risk of autism, we need to conduct and publicize additional studies to assure parents of safety." Douglas formerly served as president of vaccinations for Merck, where he ignored warnings about thimerosal's risks.

In May of last year, the Institute of Medicine issued its final report. Its conclusion: There is no proven link between autism and thimerosal in vaccines. Rather than reviewing the large body of literature describing the toxicity of thimerosal, the report relied on four disastrously flawed epidemiological studies examining European countries, where children received much smaller doses of thimerosal than American kids. It also cited a new version of the Verstraeten study, published in the journal Pediatrics, that had been reworked to reduce the link between thimerosal and autism. The new study included children too young to have been diagnosed with autism and overlooked others who showed signs of the disease. The IOM declared the case closed and -- in a startling position for a scientific body -- recommended that no further research be conducted.

The report may have satisfied the CDC, but it convinced no one. Rep. David Weldon, a Republican physician from Florida who serves on the House Government Reform Committee, attacked the Institute of Medicine, saying it relied on a handful of studies that were "fatally flawed" by "poor design" and failed to represent "all the available scientific and medical research." CDC officials are not interested in an honest search for the truth, Weldon told me, because "an association between vaccines and autism would force them to admit that their policies irreparably damaged thousands of children. Who would want to make that conclusion about themselves?"

Under pressure from Congress and parents, the Institute of Medicine convened another panel to address continuing concerns about the Vaccine Safety Datalink data-sharing program. In February, the new panel, composed of different scientists, criticized the way the VSD had been used to study vaccine safety, and urged the CDC to make its vaccine database available to the public.

So far, though, only two scientists have managed to gain access. Dr. Mark Geier, president of the Genetics Center of America, and his son, David, spent a year battling to obtain the medical records from the CDC. Since August 2002, when members of Congress pressured the agency to turn over the data, the Geiers have completed six studies that demonstrate a powerful correlation between thimerosal and neurological damage in children. One study, which compares the cumulative dose of mercury received by children born between 1981 and 1985 with those born between 1990 and 1996, found a "very significant relationship" between autism and vaccines. Another study of educational performance found that kids who received higher doses of thimerosal in vaccines were nearly three times as likely to be diagnosed with autism and more than three times as likely to suffer from speech disorders and mental retardation. Another soon-to-be-published study shows that autism rates are in decline following the recent elimination of thimerosal from most vaccines.

As the federal government worked to prevent scientists from studying vaccines, others have stepped in to study the link to autism. In April, reporter Dan Olmsted of UPI undertook one of the more interesting studies himself. Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Penn., who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury from a power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines.

At the state level, many officials have also conducted in-depth reviews of thimerosal. While the Institute of Medicine was busy whitewashing the risks, the Iowa Legislature was carefully combing through all of the available scientific and biological data. "After three years of review, I became convinced there was sufficient credible research to show a link between mercury and the increased incidences in autism," state Sen. Ken Veenstra, a Republican who oversaw the investigation, told the magazine Byronchild earlier this year. "The fact that Iowa's 700 percent increase in autism began in the 1990s, right after more and more vaccines were added to the children's vaccine schedules, is solid evidence alone." Last year, Iowa became the first state to ban mercury in vaccines, followed by California. Similar bans are now under consideration in 32 other states.

But instead of following suit, the FDA continues to allow manufacturers to include thimerosal in scores of over-the-counter medications as well as steroids and injected collagen. Even more alarming, the government continues to ship vaccines preserved with thimerosal to developing countries -- some of which are now experiencing a sudden explosion in autism rates. In China, where the disease was virtually unknown prior to the introduction of thimerosal by U.S. drug manufacturers in 1999, news reports indicate that there are now more than 1.8 million autistics. Although reliable numbers are hard to come by, autistic disorders also appear to be soaring in India, Argentina, Nicaragua and other developing countries that are now using thimerosal-laced vaccines. The World Health Organization continues to insist thimerosal is safe, but it promises to keep the possibility that it is linked to neurological disorders "under review."

I devoted time to study this issue because I believe that this is a moral crisis that must be addressed. If, as the evidence suggests, our public-health authorities knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical industry to poison an entire generation of American children, their actions arguably constitute one of the biggest scandals in the annals of American medicine. "The CDC is guilty of incompetence and gross negligence," says Mark Blaxill, vice president of Safe Minds, a nonprofit organization concerned about the role of mercury in medicines. "The damage caused by vaccine exposure is massive. It's bigger than asbestos, bigger than tobacco, bigger than anything you've ever seen." It's hard to calculate the damage to our country -- and to the international efforts to eradicate epidemic diseases -- if Third World nations come to believe that America's most heralded foreign-aid initiative is poisoning their children. It's not difficult to predict how this scenario will be interpreted by America's enemies abroad. The scientists and researchers -- many of them sincere, even idealistic -- who are participating in efforts to hide the science on thimerosal claim that they are trying to advance the lofty goal of protecting children in developing nations from disease pandemics. They are badly misguided. Their failure to come clean on thimerosal will come back horribly to haunt our country and the world's poorest populations.

TongueSpeaker #fundie iidb.org

[And so far, all the evidence collected fits the ToE very well indeed.]

But what is the theory then? Why don't we have a single page say on Wikipedia that formally defines what evolution is and what it isn't.
Because for Evolution to be something we must obviously know what it is not. Presently every person has his own adhoc defenition and that person can't tell me how he got his particular version.

Your whole quote is according to you. You say so. There are other atheists and scientists who differs from your view. You are stateing it with some sort of authority. I am not looking for Arguments from Authority. I want to know who has formally established The Theory of Evolution, Theory of Change or Theory of Everything on the same level that Kepler established his laws via Astronomia Nova 400 years ago, without which we would not have http://www.youtube.com today.

James L. Melton #fundie av1611.org

Over the years, being hard-pressed for real evidence, the evolutionists have managed to conjure up a number of "proofs" that Darwin's theory is a scientific fact. This so-called "evidence" is worshipped by all evolutionists, while all contrary evidence is ignored. Let's consider some of their evidence.

VESTIGIAL ORGANS are believed by evolutionists to be parts of the human body that are no longer needed. Therefore these useless body parts must be "left-overs" from our ancestors, the monkeys. These "useless" body parts include the appendix, the coccyx (tail bone), the pineal gland, the plica semilunaris, the tonsils, and the ear lobes.

Naturally, the facts are ignored. Many medical doctors agree that all of these organs have important functions in the human body, and aren't "vestigial organs" in any sense. The appendix contains a rich blood supply which serves as some defense against cancer. The tail bone isn't where your monkey tail used to be, as Darwinians believe, but it instead provides support for the muscles which control elimination. The pineal gland contains important hormones which the body needs. The plica semilunaris helps to keep foreign particles out of the eye, and the tonsils help to keep foreign particles out of your child's throat. The tonsils also help to keep infection from spreading. Yes, even the ear lobe has a purpose, for it helps to keep our ears warm during cold weather.

Another "proof" for evolution is found in the field of BIOCHEMISTRY. This is where scientists mix genes and chromosomes in their effort to prove relation between man and animal.

Is there any conclusive evidence? No there isn't. Any learned scientist should be familiar with the rather embarrassing test conclusions of Dr. Nutall back in 1904. Nutall's tests concluded that baboons and hoofed animals are related to whales, that pigs are related to tigers, and that black people are related to monkeys! There isn't one ounce of real evidence anywhere in the entire field of biochemistry which proves that men and animals are kin--just theories and wishful thinking.

EMBRYOLOGY is another field of study. This is where unborn embryos are studied in order to detect the preformed shape of humans and animals. This is the field where we find Haeckel talking about "ONTOGENY RECAPITULATES PHYLOGENY" This is the belief that every individual passes through the many evolutionary stages while still in the mother's womb. That is, you body took on the shape of an amoeba, then a paramecium, then a jelly fish, then a fish, then a bunch of other creatures during the nine months prior to your birth. Of course, this theory ignores the fact that respiratory systems develop LATE in the human embryo. So how did early mammal life exist without breathing? They've also ignored the fact that the head of an unborn baby is larger than the body, which is NOT the case with fish.

Professor Waldo Sumway, of Stephens Institute of Technology, says that "There is never a time in the development of a mammal when it could have been mistaken for a fish or reptile."

Now we come to the wonderful world of TAXONOMY, where cartoon charts are used to artificially classify bones in order to "prove" evolution. This is where evolutionists develop a "disneyland" mentally and construct a chart which shows the earth to be about 4.5 billion years old. Then they proceed to divide this chart up into various time frames containing hundreds of millions of years each. As new discoveries are found, the scientists conveniently place them at selected places on the chart.

This would be a dandy little system, except for one minor problem: THEY'VE NEVER PROVEN THE ORIGINAL CHART! It's nothing more than blind guesswork. No one has ever proven that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. The chart is NOT scientific. In fact, many scientists believe that the earth isn't over 6,000 to 10,000 years old! Of course, all opposing views are ignored by evolutionary scientists, for they need a nice big time period in which to place their new findings. You've heard of people "buying time?" Well, evolutionists just DREAM IT UP.

Another "proof" for evolution is COMPARATIVE ANATOMY, the belief that similar bone structures prove animal kin through evolution. That is, if two different animals have similar bone structures, then they must have evolved from the same original ancestors. Of course, this is more

nonsense. Any scientist knows perfectly well that many such bone structures are produced by entirely DIFFERENT GENES, thus proving that they are in NO WAY RELATED! In fact, if similar bone structure proves anything, it proves that these animals were created by the same God!

The sixth argument used to support evolution is the so-called FOSSIL EVIDENCE. The evolutionist believes that the fossil record proves a progressive evolution of the species over millions of years, beginning with non-living matter. This non-living matter supposedly evolves into protozoans, and the protozoans evolve into metazoan invertebrates, which evolve into vertebrate fishes. The fishes evolve into amphibians, which evolve into reptiles, which evolve into birds. The birds then evolve into fur-bearing quadrupeds (animals with 4 legs), and these quadrupeds evolve into apes, and the apes evolve into man.

Now for those who actually believe such a fable, we have a question: WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONAL FORMS? If all of those life forms survived by changing into higher life forms, then would someone please show us one living example of this today? Where can we observe a reptile who is slowly changing into a bird? How about a bird who is turning into a four-legged animal? This is one of the strongest arguments against evolution: NO TRANSITIONAL FORMS. Even Darwin realized this in his "Origin of the Species" when he said that "this is the most obvious of the many objections which may be argued against it." (Vol. 2, 6th Ed. p. 49)

Yes, it certainly is. The more the fossil record builds, the weaker the theory of evolution becomes, because the needed transitional forms are NOT BEING FOUND to link the species! They never will be found, because the species are NOT LINKED (I Cor. 15:38-39).

The evolutionist also runs into another problem when he considers WHERE and HOW many fossils are found. The devout evolutionist subscribes to the belief that things are pretty much the same as always. He believes that there have been no major world catastrophes to wipe out animal life, but that various species have become extinct as a result of failing to adapt to their environment. The problem with this is the stubborn fact that there are many burial sites around the world which are literally paved with fossils! Often times such fossils are found in a totally different climate from that in which they once lived. Mammoths have been found frozen, preserved perfectly in ice in Northern Siberia and Alaska. Many of these are very large and strong animals, which evolutionists claim should have survived and overcame any obstacles. BUT THEY DIDN'T! What happened? Why did they die out? How can evolution explain this? Evolution CAN'T explain it. Evolution IGNORES it. It is explained in Genesis chapters 6, 7 and 8--the Flood.

Scott Guenther #fundie talkorigins.org

As a biology teacher and a creationist, I find that all of the fossil evidence and radioactive dating that supposedly supports the evolutionary theory, actually can also be used to support a seven day creation with an earth that is less than 12,000 years old. As God made the earth, He obviously made a mature earth.
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There is also the probability that oil deposits existed and they would seem to be millions of years old, though they were just made less than one week ago. Fossils could be part of the makings of this old earth. As most most scientists desire to know everything they can, it is difficult for many of them to admit that there are many things we humans will never know. Belief in God and in creation forces one to accept that fact.

johnheno #fundie fstdt.com


For many people, the issue of our time is not "is it science", but rather to what extent the scientific world lives in a surreal of of its own making, far removed from reality. A surreal worldview that largely functions on unproven "blind faith" metaphysical religious assumptions, beyond the verifiable limits of science and physics. Namely, the hard-core atheism of "philosophical" naturalism and raw materialism: Based on the unproven and unverifiable "blind faith" delusion that "all reality" can, and must, be explained solely by natural processes and causes alone. There is a name for this surreal "closed mind" metaphysical religious view. It's called "Scientism", masquerading as science. This illusion is based on the the grand delusion that "finite" humanity, with limited knowledge, insight and understanding can define the ultimate nature of ultimate reality. The insane quest for the godless "theory of everything" turns out to be the theory of nothing. Science still has no "verifiable" naturalistic scientific answer for anything in existence, including the origin of the universe, life, consciousness. and all else. The utter absurdity of finite humanity actually believing they can define the infinite. None-the-less, the scientific world tells us that all these "vastly improbable" events just occurred, even though there is still no "verifiable" scientific answer" for anything in existence, including the the universe itself.
We have a name for "vastly improbable" events for which "no known scientific answer" exists. They are called "miracles". The problem is that all these 'natural' miracles of mainstream supposedly happened without self-existing self creating cause or miracle worker anywhere to be found in the universe. In which case all theists and creationists would have to concede that this is "really miraculous".http://thegodreality.org/miraclesofscience.html
The mainstream science mindset becomes even more irrational and absurd. We have "effects" that are not only far greater than the cause, but "opposite" to the cause. We have life from non-life. mind from non-mind, consciousness from non-consciousness, intelligence from non-intelligence, reason from non-reason, conscience from no conscience, and personal humans from "impersonal atoms and molecules in motion". The situation has become so bazaar that any mention of God or a creator produces an irrational mental meltdown by Science journal's such as PLOS ONE. Little wonder the future belongs to the creationist minded scientists. The vast majority of people instinctively know that an an "intelligent effect" such as universe ALWAYS demands and "intelligent cause". And that a finely tuned, precisely balanced cosmos and our life rich terrestrial planet cannot be explained by “undirected” or unguided chance events. Nor can the highly complex matrix of coordinated ecosystems and fully integrated interdependent and interconnected living and environmental systems.

Maggie Eriksson #fundie quora.com

Jesus is the most real person I have ever met. I wrote a book recalling 300-plus- conversations He and I have had together called The Still Small Voice of Jesus. I met His Father first, 50 years ago.

I was homeless, totally alone in a strange town, friendless, unemployed, sick, destitute, and my car lien was being foreclosed due to the long-term illness and job loss. I said “God, I don’t know if you’re real, but if you are, I need help, and I’m willing to listen.

I did not know who Jesus was at the time, but I knew that Christianity revolved around Him. I also knew that if “something” could intervene in my life so I would have a place to live, someone to care about me, food, time to recuperate so I could eventually find a job, a way to pay off my car lien and finance a new loan, that “something” would have to be God/Jesus.

I knew one person in that town, my doctor’s nurse. I had been discharged after six weeks in the hospital far from anyone I knew, and used most of my money to rent a room. The day that I prayed asking God if he was real was three weeks later. I had no way to pay the next month’s rent. I had just enough to buy some food. The next day I went to the grocery store, but started sobbing in the check out line. The woman ahead of me turned around and it was my doctor’s nurse - the only person I knew. She immediately befriended me and invited me to come home with her. The next day she and her husband invited be to live with them until I was well enough to work again. Neither one of them knew me, and I had never met him.

The next day I met a man in a waiting room, he was idly reading a newspaper and we struck up a conversation. He was fascinated by my background. I had been a scientist with NASA on Apollo Eleven, and the first lunar landing was just a week away. I was waiting to speak with a bank lending officer about getting a loan for my car and just then he called me in. The stranger went ahead of me and told him to give me anything I wanted. He was the president of the bank - and knew I was unemployed, just out of the hospital. The next day my unemployment compensation came in so I could make the payments.

In three days every impossible need I had cried out to God about, was met. How could I NOT believe God was real? If God the Father was real, then God the Son is real. God is a trinity, whether he moves as Father, Son or Holy Spirit, He is real. Because Jesus allowed Himself to be made a living sacrifice as a way for humans to receive eternal life, the Father honors the Son above himself, and would have us call Jesus, Lord. He has promised that whatever we ask in faith, in Jesus’ name we will receive. (Asking in faith means we are just assuming God wants to have something for our own purposes, but we KNOW that what we ask is according to His revealed will.)

I have received MANY miracles in my life, praying in the name of Jesus. I was miraculously healed of diabetes, stage 4 kidney disease, and dependence on a walker due to weakness in my legs - overnight. I went from not being able to walk three feet un-aided to being able to walk half a mile without aid. It has been three years since I needed a walker. Once I was unemployed and $1,000 short of being able to pay my mortgage and utilities for two months. Two months in a row total strangers handed me a check for $1,000 saying “God told me to give you this.”

Yes. God/Jesus is real.

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

A thread in which our beloved Carico stumbles from one disastrous misconception to another:

"...what caused the order of the universe, the position of the sun that just happens to give the appropriate amount of heat and light to the earth for life to exist, the moon & stars that "just happen" to be in the right path of the sun to reflect light to the earth at night?"

Later:

"Do you understand that if the sun were one fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth, that life cloudn't surive on earth?"

And later, after being challenged on it:

"That's hogwash. All you have to do is ask any scientist what would happen if the sun were a fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth. Even people with common sense would know what would happen."

various commenters #fundie breitbart.com

(Reactions to James Delingpole's article)

(proreason)
This illustrates one of the core problems with liberals of all stripes. They have no limits on their unhinged desire to control everybody and everything around them.

(aka Randy Yonkers)
The left is driven by toxic emotions.
They thrive on the control they get from making themselves and everyone around them miserable. They label destruction and misery "Progress". They manufacture pain and rage and sell it for profit, by taxing a guilted public and forcing them to pay for the "cure".

(Eskel Gorov)
The entire concept of "AGW" is preposterous. Even if there were an AGW "consensus" (which there categorically is not), it's irrelevant. Consensus is not now, nor has it ever been, a part of scientific process. Relying on those more educated than you are is just fine until science becomes corrupted by politics and the politician's eternal quest for more tax dollars from the uninformed. AGW is indeed about politics, wealth redistribution, and crowd control. We can and should be better stewards of our planet; but, we don't need to abandon all scientific process and commit suicide in order to do so. This stewardship has little or nothing to do with CO2. Regardless, a consensus of people from NOAA, NASA,and the IPCC who have all been caught red-handed altering data to meet their failed modeling assumptions is worthless on its face. Failed models, failed theory, end of story.

(redpilldebtslave)
CO2 is plant food. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas too and the earth is covered by a bunch of it. Imagine if they went after water like they do the energy industry. We need politics to stay out of science. This all fell apart when they got caught falsifying data. Follow the money.
Leftists are the science deniers! LOL! Too funny!

(ricocat1)
Those liberals who are concerned about CO2 should hold their breaths until they turn blue. Don't exhale. No CO2. No liberals. Problem solved.

(Trump Train aka Honey Badger)
These liberals idiots would have rather breathed nuclear fallout by voting for HRC... end of the planet for sure!
There is no greater contaminant then of one’s mind, you can thank the liberal ideology for that!
Our youths minds are being poisoned all across the campuses in America by these liberal professors.
President Trump already saved the planet by defeating the nuclear holocaust know as HRC, ending the Paris Accord, slashing the EPA and ending big bureaucratic regulations!

(Johnny)
these people are seriously mental defects and delusional,, they dont stop to think who is going to fund these places without republican support,, liberals arent going to part with weed money to keep the lights on

(proreason)
Allow me to crystalize your comment a bit more. I think it has a core that is a real insight. You said: "these people...dont stop to think".

Liberals are too p*ssed off at everybody else for not complying with their manias to think about anything other than enforcing their will.

(Pleiades R)
"bite the hand that feeds them" comes to mind

both comments so valid, so many liberals I know think work is beneath them, they spend money on the latest cell/computer/clothing/shoes/entertainment/restaurants... then complain insurance, utilities, necessities are too expensive.... some are on assistance, but they own a "vape", a big screen tv and cable...

they make fun of me for having an old phone and not dressing expensively... I don't have cable or a tv.... but, I pay my own way...

amusingly they support open borders... if only they were destroying their own world, not the world we share...

(redpilldebtslave)
I often tell them they advocate their own destruction. By destroying the family and abusing the legal system, we have today's society. That is advocating for the leftists grand utopia. Leftists advocate their own destruction. Everybody must suffer as they do.
I usually say it just like that. They accuse me of making threats on the leftist sites. All I do is predict their futures.

(Jon)
These climate nuts are out of control.

Please support our Vets and Police! Boycott the Superbowl this weekend! #Boycottsuperbowl #PleaseStand

(Eric Simpson)
It's a consensus of ideology, not of science. Notice that nearly every conservative scientist does not believe the leftist scam.

(rennyangel2)
Not, "conservative" scientists but many REAL scientists who study cause and effect, are knowledgeable about history, and are not trying to impose their own views on outcomes or results.
There is a current complaint in the scientific community that too many "experiments" are not repeatable, as they should be if the same processes are followed, and I think the problem with replicating in today's science is because too many choose a pre-determined outcome and then force their "experiment" into the desired result. No wonder, one scientist has trouble producing the same conclusion, again.

(earlysda)
The problem in science is that they fell for a different god than the the Creator (Jesus Christ), and have been wandering in the darkness ever since.

(Reno Rivera)
Doesn't matter. The left lost on this one.

I don't feel sorry for the fickle, Rebekah Mercer. She's getting some payback here for betraying Bannon.

Also, she is not behind BB and never one who made BB popular.

I guess she is now since Bannon left and BB becoming effeminate with increased People Magazine type and news stories.

(earlysda)
Sadly, most of our youth are taught the doctrines of Evolution as "scientific fact", when actually, even Richard Dawkins admits: "Evolution hasn't been observed while it's happening".

(Mash Draggin)
Science is being subverted and swallowed up by politics, and the fact that there are so many marxists at our universities is a big reason why. The left wants to use science as a political weapon. It's actually slowing down real scientific advancement too.

Not Perfect, But Forgiven and 4TheLight #fundie rr-bb.com

4TheLight:
More dellusion for the end times. I personally beleive bigfoots are real but have something to do with the nephilim. There are alot of accounts of people encountering these creatures around the same time they see ufo's.

Not Perfect, But Forgiven:
I am leaning towards what you are saying. It could be a nephilim hybrid or some kind of unholy creature. It makes me wonder what people are going to dig up next, you know? What about the loch ness monster; I think it could have survived the flood in certain parts of the world?

Dinosaurs and people were created at the same time, so it's not unthinkable.
What if it's the same animals, but they have survived for so long having been created before the curse struck the Earth? That may explain their rarity. I am very interested in what these "scientist" turn up. However, if it's a hoax, I won't be surprised in the least. Scientists have gone to unbelievable lengths to fabricate "evidence" for evolution, basically trying as hard as possible to keep God out and be accountable to Him.

After the rapture and Bema seat, I'll be sure to ask Jesus about all those weird creatures we people were curious about and what they really are. That would be pretty cool.

ikester7579 #fundie christianforums.net

Do you know the "only" test that would prove this [that the soul has a weight] wrong? Take a animal, which has no soul, and do the same test. If it loses weight upon death, then it is physical. If it don't, then the other test proves there is a soul. I don't know of any scientist brave enough to make such a bold quest for actual truth. Because this test has been out there for how long? And no one, that wants to disprove this, is not smart enough to figure out that a soul-less life test would bring no doubt?

I actually think the test has already been done. But the atheist did not like the out come. So it was never revealed. There is a difference between wanted actual truth, and justification for what one wants to believe.

AngryNotice #fundie christianforums.com

The fallacies of gravity

just curious if anyone can explain these errors that many people are aware of when it comes to the theory of gravity

number 1. the way gravity reads, scientists have you think that objects of larger mass would have more of a gravitational pull then objects of smaller mass. so tell me how this makes sense

when we look at the sun we see the earth orbiting the sun, and the moon obriting the earth. if gravity were true, shouldnt our moon be orbiting the sun??? oh better yet, how come a planet way out in the distance such as neptune will orbit the sun, yet its moons will not orbit the sun??? something is wrong here, even at thise immense distances the moons will orbit the planets and not the sun, yet the suns "gravity" is strong enough supposedly to keep the planets in orbit.

number 2. why is it, only planets have orbits?? you could put a space shuttle in outter space and a astronaut will not orbit it. you could put the smallest pebbble into outter space and it will not orbit the space shuttle. why is this???? if gravity were true then surely such small objects would orbit larger ones, especially in space

number 3. on earth we see things that defy "gravity" on a daily basis. birds and airplanes for example. are you going to tell me that the gravity of the sun is strong enough to keep PLUTo in orbit but not an airplane or a little bird??????

number 4. scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is, and even then we see anaomolies in space that defy gravity

so my point is that gravity(like other scientifist "tHeories" is very on shaky grounds. it doesnt have the evidnece to back it up, and when examined critically it falls under the pressure(no pun intended )

show me a pebble that orbits a mountain or a bird that orbits the earth and then gravity will make sense. or better yet just show me how gravity works(if it works at all) and then maybe it will be more than just a theory

how do you evolutionsts explain gravity???

88Will88 #sexist reddit.com

Happy women act like children all the time. They believe in romantic vampires and knights in shining armour. They believe in fairy tales, they care about the Kardashians and they are scared of moths. They sleep with soft toys and get mad at you because of how you acted in her dream. However all of this behaviour is the privilege of the alpha male. Beta males find it offensive that we would suggest women are children, because they never get to observe that behaviour. You see when a woman is in the presence of a vagina drying beta, they act much like man. Indeed they have to act like a man because in the presence of a beta, no masculinity is in the room. She is forced to act logically, solve problems and lead because there is no one there to lead for her.

This is why manginas and SJW are so offended with red pill theory. They see women as equals who want to be politicians, doctors, CEOs and scientists. In reality only a fraction of women truly want to do that sort of work, there is no glass ceiling, just women who are not attractive enough to secure an alpha male so she is forced to act like a man herself. All the while she is upset that no man finds her attractive so her anger manifests as feminism due to her victim status. The betas of society believe the lies told to them by unattractive women who went to university to waste their time on gender studies. Even some attractive women have been brainwashed into thinking that they need to act like a man and be "equal". Feminism does more harm to women than it does to men.

Alpha men see the real woman and her real behaviour. They hear her squeals of delight when he comes home or lifts her up. They feel her completely surrender her body and become like liquid in his arms. They know she does not want to decide which restaurant to go to or where to holiday, she wants surprise and adventure. They know what it is to lead and provide for her, to relieve her of the thing she hates to do the most, think. She does not want to think, she wants to FEEL. Real red pill men know this so we see her behave as a child all of the time. Often this includes childish behaviour, temper tantrums, power plays, and other manifestations of childish behaviour we understand as shit and comfort tests. Whenever she tries to lead she is only testing you. If you let her lead she will become miserable and sabotage herself and all around her in the subconscious discomfort she is forced to endure. She does not want to lead, she wants a real man to do it.

So next time your girl is acting like a baby, whining over stupid shit, upset because of a dream she had, or generally misbehaving, smile to yourself and know that this childish behaviour is her natural state. She cannot help it, you have become the leader so she is now free to act naturally. Her natural state is submissive, pliable, temperamental and childlike. Part of her childish behaviour is being naughty sometimes. Simply treat her the way you would a naughty child and the behaviour will soon pass. Never lose frame, never negotiate with terrorists, just slap her on the ass and laugh it off. Know that if she was with a beta she would not be acting like this, she would be acting like a man and vying for control.

Also know this, if your woman is constantly vying for control, attempting to take the reigns of the budget, making major non-domestic decisions, then that is all on you. It is totally your fault and you have allowed beta behaviour to become part of your habits and character. The more she seeks to take charge, the more beta you are. Any guy who has made the transformation from beta to more alpha on the spectrum knows this is true. When he was beta she berated him and complained about life, she tried to take charge on issues, she was unhappy, she refused sex. Now that he has his shit together it is like she is a new person, she fucks him eagerly, she likes the direction of her life, she seeks his approval, and she acts like a spoiled little girl. Such behaviour is the privilege and domain of the alpha male, enjoy it.

wyncrtr #fundie space.com

What astronomers and scientists continue to leave out of the equation is the God factor. Who knows what they are hearing. It could be an echo from the time of the so called "Big Bang" when Jehovah God said, "Let There Be Light".

I hope they find the God particle when they fire the Large Hadron Accelerator in Geneva Switzerland "CERN" and finally discover that all matter both dark and light was created by a devine designer not some random explosion. Science and chance will tell you that if one took some C-4 charges and detonated them in a junk yard the probablity of the pieces falling back to earth forming a completely operational Boeing 747 would be out of the question. Random explosions only cause destruction. Planned, calculated, and properly executed explosions can bring down buildings, but they not create something new other than rubble. So much for the so called random "Big Bang" theory.

The bandwidth of God's voice, hearing, and light spectrum goes beyond anything a radio telescope, oscilloscope, or telescope can detect. Human ears can only hear frequencies between 20Hz to 20kHz. Human eye sight can only see light frequencies between 400nM and 700 nM. The normal human voice frequencies fall between 350Hz and 1kHz. A very narrow bandwidth compared to God's ability to see, speak, and hear. God's bandwidth for speech, light, and sound is infinite. God also exists at light speeds faster than our known light speed of 186,000 mps. Therfore enabling Him to travel forward or backward in time, and be everywhere at the same time.

Sherry Shriner #conspiracy sherryshriner.blogspot.com

This is exactly what they use against me...spy satellites..I've seen it many times in the codes where "Bush" is spying on me...and "satellite" the funny thing is...what good has it done them?

LOL..they don't understand 'us' or how we operate...a spy satellite is only as good as the person who's interpreting what they're seeing.

And for all their spying all I have to say is...'eat a blaster, we're going to destroy you and already are'

hahaha

By the end of next month I suspect most of our government and military will be hiding in underground bases to get away from the Orgone that when cranked up by the Most High, will burn them, kill them, and put a huge wrench in their plans of conquering our earth for their NWO. Get your coffins ready hybrid and alien freaks!

I was told that in Beijing there were some people seen wearing space suits with inhalator oxygen masks at the airport..LOLOLOL..

Welcome to the Resistance!!


THE SHOCKING MENACE OF SATELLITE SURVEILLANCEby John Fleming2003-06-19http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1068

Unknown to most of the world, satellites can perform astonishing andoften menacing feats. This should come as no surprise when onereflects on the massive effort poured into satellite technology since the Soviet satellite Sputnik, launched in 1957, caused panic in theU.S. A spy satellite can monitor a person's every movement, even whenthe "target" is indoors or deep in the interior of a building or traveling rapidly down the highway in a car, in any kind of weather(cloudy, rainy, stormy). There is no place to hide on the face of the earth.

It takes just three satellites to blanket the world with detection capacity. Besides tracking a person's every action and relaying the data to a computer screen on earth, amazing powers of satellites include reading a person's mind, monitoring conversations, manipulating electronic instruments and physically assaulting someone with a laser beam.

Remote reading of someone's mind through satellite technology is quite bizarre, yet it is being done; it is a reality at present, not a chimera from a futuristic dystopia! To those who might disbelieve my description of satellite surveillance, I'd simply citea tried-and-true Roman proverb: Time reveals all things (tempus omniarevelat)...

As extraordinary as clandestine satellite powers are, nevertheless prosaic satellite technology is much evident in daily life.

Satellite businesses reportedly earned $26 billion in 1998. We can watch transcontinental television broadcasts "via satellite," make long-distance phone calls relayed by satellite, be informed of cloud coverand weather conditions through satellite images shown on television,and find our geographical bearings with the aid of satellites in theGPS (Global Positioning System).

But behind the facade of useful satellite technology is a Pandora's box of surreptitious technology.Spy satellites-- as opposed to satellites for broadcasting and exploration of space--have little or no civilian use--except,perhaps, to subject one's enemy or favorite malefactor to surveillance.

With reference to detecting things from space, FordRowan, author of Techno Spies, wrote "some U.S. military satellites are equipped with infra-red sensors that can pick up the heat generated on earth by trucks, airplanes, missiles, and cars, so that even on cloudy days the sensors can penetrate beneath the clouds and reproduce the patterns of heat emission on a TV-type screen. During the Vietnam War sky high infra-red sensors were tested which detect individual enemy soldiers walking around on the ground."

Using this reference, we can establish 1970 as the approximate date of the beginning of satellite surveillance- -and the end of the possibility of privacy for several people.

The government agency most heavily involved in satellite surveillance technology is the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), an arm ofthe Pentagon. NASA is concerned with civilian satellites, but there is no hard and fast line between civilian and military satellites.

NASA launches all satellites, from either Cape Kennedy in Florida orVandenberg Air Force Base in California, whether they are military-operated, CIA-operated, corporate-operated or NASA's own. Blasting satellites into orbit is a major expense.

It is also difficult tomake a quick distinction between government and private satellites; research by NASA is often applicable to all types of satellites. Neither the ARPA nor NASA makes satellites; instead, they underwrite the technology while various corporations produce the hardware.

Corporations involved in the satellite business include Lockheed,General Dynamics, RCA, General Electric, Westinghouse, Comsat, Boeing, Hughes Aircraft, Rockwell International, Grumman Corp., CAE Electronics, Trimble Navigation and TRW. The World Satellite Directory, 14th edition (1992), lists about a thousand companies concerned with satellites in one way or another.

Many are merely in the broadcasting business, but there are also product headings like "remote sensing imagery," which includes Earth Observation Satellite Co. of Lanham, Maryland, Downl Inc. of Denver,and Spot Image Corp. of Reston, Virginia. There are five product categories referring to transponders. Other product categories include earth stations (14 types), "military products and systems," "microwave equipment," "video processors," "spectrum analyzers." The category "remote sensors" lists eight companies,including ITM Systems Inc., in Grants Pass, Oregon, Yool Engineeringof Phoenix, and Satellite Technology Management of Costa Mesa, California. Sixty-five satellite associations are listed from all around the world, such as Aerospace Industries Association, American Astronautical Society, Amsat and several others in the U.S.Spy satellites were already functioning and violating people's right to privacy when President Reagan proposed his "Strategic Defense Initiative," or Star Wars, in the early 80s, long after the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 had demonstrated the military usefulness of satellites.

Star Wars was supposed to shield the U.S. from nuclear missiles, but shooting down missiles with satellite lasers proved infeasible, and many scientists and politicians criticized the massive program. Nevertheless, Star Wars gave an enormous boost to surveillance technology and to what may be called "black bag"technology, such as mind reading and lasers that can assault someone, even someone indoors.

Aviation Week & Space Technology mentioned in 1984 that "facets of the project [in the Star Wars program] that are being hurried along include the awarding of contracts to study...a surveillance satellite network." It was bound to be abused, yet no group is fighting to cut back or subject to democratic control thist errifying new technology.

As one diplomat to the U.N.remarked, "`Star Wars' was not a means of creating heaven on earth, but it could result in hell on earth."

The typical American actually may have little to fear, since the chances of being subjected to satellite surveillance are rather remote. Why someone would want to subject someone else to satellite surveillance might seem unclear at first, but to answer the question you must realize that only the elite have access to such satellite resources. Only the rich and powerful could even begin to contemplate putting someone under satellite surveillance, whereas a middle- orworking-class person would not even know where to begin.

Although access to surveillance capability is thus largely a function of the willfulness of the powerful, nevertheless we should not conclude that only the powerless are subjected to it.
Perhaps those under satellite surveillance are mainly the powerless, but wealthy and famous people make more interesting targets, as it were, so despite their power to resist an outrageous violation of their privacy, a few of them may be victims of satellite surveillance.

Princess Diana may have been under satellite reconnaissance. No claim of being subject to satellite surveillance can be dismissed a priori. It is difficult to estimate just how many Americans are being watched by satellites, but if there are 200 working surveillance satellites(a common number in the literature), and if each satellite can monitor 20 human targets, then as many as 4000 Americans may be undersatellite surveillance.


However, the capability of a satellite for multiple-target monitoring is even harder to estimate than the numberof satellites; it may be connected to the number of transponders on each satellite, the transponder being a key device for both receiving and transmitting information.

A society in the grips of the National Security State is necessarily kept in the dark about such things. Obviously, though, if one satellite can monitor simultaneously 40 or 80 human targets, then the number of possible victims of satellite surveillance would be doubled or quadrupled.

A sampling of the literature provides insight into this fiendish space-age technology. One satellite firm reports that "one of the original concepts for the Brilliant Eyes surveillance satellite system involved a long-wavelength infrared detector focal plane that requires periodic operation near 10 Kelvin." A surveillance satellite exploits the fact that the human body emits infra-red radiation, orradiant heat; according to William E. Burrows, author of Deep Black, "the infrared imagery would pass through the scanner and register on the [charged-couple device] array to form a moving infrared picture, which would then be amplified, digitalized, encrypted and transmitted up to one of the [satellite data system] spacecraft.. .for downlink [to earth]."

But opinion differs as to whether infrared radiation can be detected in cloudy conditions. According to one investigator, there is a way around this potential obstacle: "Unlike sensors that passively observe visible-light and infra-red radiation, which are blocked by cloud cover and largely unavailable at night, radar sensors actively emit microwave pulses that can penetrate clouds and work at any hour."

This same person reported in 1988 that "the practical limit on achievable resolution for a satellite-based sensor is a matter of some dispute, but is probably roughly ten to thirty centimeters. After that point, atmospheric irregularities become a problem." But even at the time she wrote that, satellite resolution, down to each subpixel, on the contrary, was much more precise, a matter of millimeters- -a fact which is more comprehensible when we consider the enormous sophistication of satellites, as reflected in such tools as multi-spectral scanners, interferometers, visible infrared spin scanradiometers, cryocoolers and hydride sorption beds.

Probably the most sinister aspect of satellite surveillance, certainly its most stunning, is mind-reading. As early as 1981, G. Harry Stine (in his book Confrontation inSpace), could write that Computers have "read" human minds by means of deciphering the outputs of electroencephalogra phs (EEGs). Early work in this area was reported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1978. EEG's are now known to be crude sensors of neural activity in the human brain, depending as they doupon induced electrical currents in the skin. Magnetoencephalogra phs(MEGs) have since been developed using highly sensitive electromagnetic sensors that can directly map brain neural activity even through even through the bones of the skull.

The responses ofthe visual areas of the brain have now been mapped by Kaufman and others at Vanderbilt University. Work may already be under way in mapping the neural activity of other portions of the human brain using the new MEG techniques. It does not require a great deal of prognostication to forecast that the neural electromagnetic activity of the human brain will be totally mapped within a decade or so and that crystalline computers can be programmed to decipher the electromagnetic neural signals.

In 1992, Newsweek reported that "with powerful new devices that peer through the skull and see the brain at work, neuroscientists seek the wellsprings of thoughts and emotions, the genesis of intelligence and language. They hope, in short, to read your mind."

In 1994, ascientist noted that "current imaging techniques can depict physiological events in the brain which accompany sensory perception and motor activity, as well as cognition and speech." In order togive a satellite mind-reading capability, it only remains to put some type of EEG-like-device on a satellite and link it with a computer that has a data bank of brain-mapping research.

I believe that surveillance satellites began reading minds--or rather, began allowing the minds of targets to be read--sometime in the early1990s. Some satellites in fact can read a person's mind from space.

Also part of satellite technology is the notorious, patented "Neurophone, " the ability of which to manipulate behavior defies description. In Brave New World, Huxley anticipated the Neurophone.

In that novel, people hold onto a metal knob to get "feely effects" in a simulated orgy where "the facial errogenous zones of the six thousand spectators in the Alhambra tingled with almost intolerable galvanic pleasure." Though not yet applied to sex, the Neurophone-- or more precisely, a Neurophone-like- instrument- -has been adapted for use by satellites and can alter behavior in the manner of subliminal audio "broadcasting, " but works on a different principle.

After converting sound into electrical impulses, the Neurophone transmits radio waves into the skin, where they proceed to the brain, bypassing the ears and the usual cranial auditory nerve and causing the brain to recognize a neurological pattern as though it were an audible communication, though often on a subconscious level. A person stimulated with this device "hears" by a very different route. The Neurophone can cause the deaf to "hear" again.

Ominously, when its inventor applied for a second patent on an improved Neurophone, the National Security Agency tried unsuccessfully to appropriate the device. A surveillance satellite, in addition, can detect human speech. Burrows observed that satellites can "even eavesdrop on conversations taking place deep within the walls of the Kremlin." Walls, ceilings,and floors are no barrier to the monitoring of conversation from space.

Even if you were in a highrise building with ten stories above you and ten stories below, a satellite's audio surveillance of your speech would still be unhampered. Inside or outside, in any weather,any place on earth, at any time of day, a satellite "parked" in space in a geosynchronous orbit (whereby the satellite, because it moves in tandem with the rotation of the earth, seems to stand still) can detect the speech of a human target.

Apparently, as with reconnaissance in general, only by taking cover deep within the bowels of a lead-shielding fortified building could you escape audio monitoring by a satellite.

There are various other satellite powers, such as manipulating electronic instruments and appliances like alarms, electronic watchesand clocks, a television, radio, smoke detector and the electrical system of an automobile.

For example, the digital alarm on a watch, tiny though it is, can be set off by a satellite from hundreds of miles up in space. And the light bulb of a lamp can be burned out with the burst of a laser from a satellite. In addition, street lights and porch lights can be turned on and off at will by someone at the controls of a satellite, the means being an electromagnetic beam which reverses the light's polarity.

Or a lamp can be made to burn out in a burst of blue light when the switch is flicked. As with other satellite powers, it makes no difference if the light is undera roof or a ton of concrete--it can still be manipulated by a satellite laser.

Types of satellite lasers include the free-electronlaser, the x-ray laser, the neutral-particle- beam laser, the chemical-oxygen-iodine laser and the mid-infra-red advanced chemical laser.

Along with mind-reading, one of the most bizarre uses of a satelliteis to physically assault someone. An electronic satellite beam--using far less energy than needed to blast nuclear missiles in flight--can "slap" or bludgeon someone on earth. A satellite beam can also be locked onto a human target, with the victim being unable to evade the menace by running around or driving around, and can cause harm through application of pressure on, for example, one's head.

How severe a beating can be administered from space is a matter of conjecture, but if the ability to actually murder someone this way has not yet been worked out, there can be no doubt that it will soon become a reality.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Evolution cannot explain where mankind's sin-nature entered the alleged evolutionary process. Evolutionists teach that men and animals evolved from the same biological life source. If this were true, then why don't animals have sin natures? Why don't animals have a moral conscious? Why don't animals built alters and worship in churches? All people of every nation throughout history have sought God. Even the Wiccan witches have hundreds of pagan gods which they worship. History records primitive cultures sacrificing their children to alligators in worship of their pagan gods. The FACT that mankind by nature NEEDS a supreme power over him is proof that there is a GOD. Where did mankind develop this desperate need for a supreme power to rule over him? How can the evolutionists reconcile man's sinful nature and need for God with evolution? It's clear that evolution cannot this phenomena.

Evolution, even if it were true, does not explain where man's ability to commit evil. How could a simple one-cell living organism "evolve" into an intelligent human being who commits horrible acts of evil? The Bible tells us that sin entered into the world through the sin of Adam... "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12). Now that makes a lot more sense to me than the bogus theory of evolution which offers NO EXPLANATION for man's wickedness. The Bible addresses man's sinfulness and remedy in Christ Jesus. The unsaved world prefers to ignore the reality of sin; yet all their "experts" cannot explain why people do what they do. The Word of God plainly gives us the answer; but the world rejects it because of their love for sin (John 3:20). When John Wayne Gacy was executed (15-years after sodomizing and murdering 33 young boys in Illinois), scientists dissected his brain to search for abnormalities. They found a normal brain. If they had even a basic understanding of the Bible, they would have known that the problem was in his heart... "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Mankind is inherently evil and rotten to the core.

Mike King #conspiracy tomatobubble.com

Oh the disappointment and disillusionment! Partially to boost ratings, and partially to prop up the Global Warming TM / Climate Change TM hoax, the sick twisted Piranha Press was praying to Satan for a Category 5 megastorm to devastate Florida and kill hundreds of people. For nearly one whole week, Hurrimania captivated the nation and frightened the pants and panties off of Floridians. Even European media led with horror stories about yet another "1000 year storm" with an "unprecedented" range "the size of Texas" -- the barely concealed implication being that manmade CO2 was the culprit.

The opening of this Slimes article was typical:

"Bracing for hurricanes is almost a summer tradition here: the steady, clanking sound of wood banged to windows, the endless lines for bottled water and fuel, the pilgrimages to fortified shelters.

But Irma, which struck Florida’s coastline twice and then tore through the state with a fury, is anything but a run-of-the-mill hurricane."

Actually, Irma was a "run-of-the-mill hurricane" --- having quickly downgraded itself to a Category 2. Now, of course, a hurricane of any category is no joke. But to continue to insist, even after the fact, that Irma was "different," than other hurricanes is a shocking display of Fake News, even by the Slimes standards. More exaggeration:

"It was wider than the peninsula itself."

The average width of the Florida Peninsula is 135 miles (we exclude the continental panhandle). What is so bloody "different" about a storm extending 135 miles? That's only about the distance between New York City and Atlantic City, NJ -- two points which are often affected by the same storms, at about the same time.

"There was hardly anywhere in the state to escape its blustery wrath."

What exactly does "blustery wrath" even mean? We have received several first-hand reports from Floridian readers comparing Irma to a glorified thunderstorm. It's frickin' Florida! Hurricanes happen, hence, the mascot for the University of Miami -- the Miami "Hurricanes." Duh. What was so "different" here?

1. It rained across the "width of Florida" --- oh horrors! 2. The University of Miami doesn't call its football team the "Hurricanes" for nothing.

So, Irma was "different," eh? You want to see "different?" We'll show you something "different." Sugar, fire up the Time Machine and set the date for Labor Day of 1935 / Destination: Miami.

Florida's Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 was the most powerful recorded hurricane ever to make landfall in the United States. The storm caused extreme damage in the Florida Keys, as a storm surge of about 20 feet swept over the low-lying islands. Winds of 185 mph combined with the massive surge destroyed hundreds of structures and completely obliterated the town of Islamorada. Portions of the Florida East Coast Railway were severely damaged or destroyed, and trains were knocked off their tracks. At a time when the area was far less densely populated than today, the storm claimed 423 lives, that we know of. Some of the victims were literally sand-blasted to death --- their clothes and flesh being ripped to shreds by grains of windswept sand. The monster hurricane also caused additional damage in northwest Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas. How's that for "different?"

But 1935 was even more "different" than that. Weeks earlier, a Category 2 (like Irma) had hit Bermuda and then made its way far up the Atlantic as a rare extra-tropical storm which stuck New Foundland (northen Canada!). Weeks after the Labor Day disaster, a Category 3 struck Cuba and again grazed Miami. And finally, a very rare November hurricane -- a Category 1 -- again struck Miami. (all here)

Can "youse guys" (New Jerseyese for the plural of "you") just imagine how the breathless Bolsheviks of Sulzberger's Slimes would react today if the city of Miami ever got hit with a Category 5, a Category 3 and a Category 1 November hurricane -- along with a tropical storm hitting as far north as New Foundland -- all in the same year? --- "You see! You see! Climate Change Denier! Climate Change Denier!"

Our "thoughts and prayers" TM go out to those who have indeed suffered property damage and lost loved ones due to the flooding caused by Irma; and we certainly do not mean to mock nor mitigate the situation. Just thank the God whom the Fake Scientists deny that it doesn't look like1935 will be repeating itself in Florida.

TEN MOST POWERFUL RECORED HURRICANES IN U.S. HISTORY[

Category 2 Irma the "Different" was no where even close to this list of 5's and 4's --- only 2 of which (Andrew & Charley) occurred in the modern "warming" era.

Labor Day 1935

Camille 1969

Andrew 1992

Last Island 1856

Indianola 1886

Florida Keys 1919

Freeport 1932

Charley 2004

Great Miami 1926

Okeechobee 1928

Affirmative Action wonderboy TV "scientist" Neil DeGoofy Tyson is evidently as ignorant of Hurricane History as he is of Climate Science.

The Globalists are not going to let go of this Global Warming TM / Climate Change TM hoax. That's for sure. On a separate note, thanks to all of "youse guys" who helped us gather up more than 2,000 E-mails of High School Science teachers across the country. They have each received a very polite E-mail from a fictitious "fellow Science teacher" inviting them to have a look at the Amazon page for "Climate Bogeyman."

Unfortunately, about 90% of the 60 or so reply E-mails that came in were hostile and even hateful, a few were neutral and only two were grateful for the information sent to them. We already knew that American High Schools were infested with idiotic warmist libtards masquerading as "Science" teachers. But even Sugar and I, er, "The Editorial Board" of The Anti-New York Times was not expecting the level of nasty and juvenile reply hate-mail that arrived in the inbox from these distinguished "educators."

"Liar" -- "Asshole" -- "Trump supporter" -- "Uneducated" -- "Climate Denial" -- "How dare you send this garbage when a hurricane is coming!" -- "There is 98% consensus" -- "I feel sorry for your students." --- blah blah blah.

Goodness gracious! Youse guys with kids had better home-school them if you can.

The world gone mad!

Stupid "scientists" and childish Neil DeGoofy Tyson worshippers now infest the faculties of America's colleges and High Schools --- and we now have the e-mails to prove it.

Boobus Americanus 1: I read in the New York Times today that Hurricane Irma was different than other hurricanes.

Boobus Americanus 2: There is definitely something different going on with the climate. Hopefully, Trump will reconsider pulling us out of the Paris Accords.

Sugar: Like there were never any frickin' hurricaness before the automotive revolution! Cheese and crackerss, Boobuss! Your sstupidity is sscary!

Editor: If you think Boobus is dumb as dirt, wait until the current crop of High School / College "science" students comes of age.

mdblf #fundie jogreen76.newsvine.com

I am posting so that i may get a response on your science, history, geography, etc., that "supposedly proves" the Bible is wrong. Where can we find such facts, or is this just another lie promoted by those that believe in the fairy tale of evolution?
I will enclose my comment I posted last night as it does happen to have scientific and historical evidence, whereas your message ironically contains none.
Evolutionists like to assume those that believe in a creator are ignorant and dumb. Theory of evolution provides no answers, just more questions. Interesting to note that i could take my science books from my school days and expose many things that have been revised because of the errors in their "scientific beliefs". This would mean that these things ARE lies. Just because someone doesn't know they lied when they taught it doesn't mean they didn't lie. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I for one, tend to be a little sceptical after I know that I have been lied to. I don't just then ignorantly accept the next lie, because it makes they're fairytale sound better.
Here is the comment I posted>
After reading some of this debate, I have come to the conclusion that many 5 yo's have more knowledge than these professed evolutionists. They will proclaim it took hundreds of millions of years for one thing to change into another, yet they provide no proof. My 5 year old can show you a caterpillar that transforms in three days into a butterfly, a maggot into a fly in one, a tadpole, etc..... How's that for scientific proof. The evidence is right before you're very eyes, always has been. It takes days, not millions or even billions of years. Yet this is exactly what they were CREATED to do. Why don't you evolutionists go believe some more of your fairy-tales that provide not one single bit of evidence to support them? My faith is in God, yours is in your "scientists" that have lied and still continue to lie to you. You wanted proof, there it is, DAYS NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS. This is pretty elementary. Matter of fact this is true science, because this is backed with fact not some fairytale. Most of you forget that your poster-child scientist (Einstein) believed in God. Go figure, huh? He stated, "God does not play dice with the universe". Where does your "random chance" come into play here? Where does your chance come into play in the cocoon of the butterfly? It doesn't, every time it remains the same!

Erothos #sexist incels.is

Lesbianism is a mental illness.

Lately there's a great influx of lesbian characters in interactive movie type video games like Life is Strange, Last of Us and now The Walking Dead. These kinds of games have quite a big female population.

What is this? I mean female promiscuity is not only accepted by most ''dudebro'' types and other guys love seeing them in ''action'' but these games are pushing it a level further. The girls ''ain't need no man'' and usually mock and put down men. It's conditioning women into genuine lesbianism which is fucked because if they don't leave their gay little phase quick enough they turn irredeemable hate roasts who harbour resentment at their rejection from the male sex.

According to the CDC Sexual Violence Survey 67,4% of lesbian women encounter abuse by their partner, the second most, apart from bisexual women. Seeing as heterosexual females encounter less abuse than lesbian women it's safe to say bisexual women are being abused by their female counterparts.
Lesbians also hold resentment towards bisexual women and most bisexual women allegedly end up in straight relationships.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58c1a38be4b054a0ea68e31c/amp
https://www.google.nl/amp/amp.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/04/over_80_percent_of_bisexuals_end_up_in_straight_relationships_why.html

Female promiscuity is historic. Men have always preferred bisexual women to straight women because it both makes cuckoldry (bearing another man's child) unlikely because the women can fuck and cheat with other women and because a harem getting along means your children have more moms to support them.

This idea comes from a ''controversial'' study (http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-20776-001[url]) that the gay community and the media are pretty pissed about ([url]https://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/male-scientist-claims-lesbianism-evolved-because-men-like-it-gay-community-disagrees/).

(Note how they describe him as a male scientist as if that has any impact on the study. Pavlov not being a dog apparently makes his study invalid.)

What I'm building up to is that dykes are the female equivalent of incels that have an easier time hooking up because of their sexual promiscuity and are treated like a victimized group on account of the fact they're technically operating in love, gays have been persecuted before, and dudebros idealise lesbianism in porn and games.

Lesbians are, indeed, failures, it turns out.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/attractive-women-more-likely-to-be-100-heterosexual-claims-new-study-10470599.html%3famp
Theyre not all Malena Morgan and Eufrat, most of them are fucking rejects and otherwise female incels.

What I am recommending is to stop the brainwash of the female youth into thinking lesbianism is hot and positive when it'll bring them misery, and to stop the brainwash of ourselves that's driven by our prehistoric drive to fuck.
Do not consume lesbian media.
Do not consune lesbian porn.
Spread awareness if you can about the negative effects of lesbianism and suggest that lesbians are our counterpart.

I don't know how effective such a campaign would be but if lesbianism started being rejected by men (the majority of consumers of such media) maybe we can reclaim some women and rid ourselves of inceldom.

Not all of these lesbians are ugly misandryst dykes, some are actually redeemable.
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Lainey #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Q: How many fields of science have to be flawed for creationism to be valid?


"Actually none. All that would have to be done away with are methods that have proven flawed, such as you mentioned, radiometric dating. However, that doesn't throw out all work done in Nuclear Physics or concepts that work. Carbon dating also has to be thrown out because testing on material from Mt. St Helens erruption proved that new material can date old even when we know it's real age. However, to accept evolution you have to ignor many chemistry and biology scientists who keep asking for more time in order to make evolution probable. You also have to throw out everything we know about the linguistic evolution. Languages have historically become simpler since the beginning of recorded history. The more complex languages have died, and the languages still surviving are morphing to simpler and simpler versions. Language is in essence de-evolving over time. Are we to think the neanderthals spoke a highly complex tonal language which all of our many languages have evolved from? Evolution only happens in the real world as complex to simple. It doesn't happen the other way around. Therefore we could not have evolved from apes. Our ancestors had the most complex language."

The Last Trump #fundie christiannews.net

Tell you about Creation? No problem.

In the beginning, God created.
Done. Wasn't that easy? And the universe confirms it. Overwhelming evidence of clear intelligent design with purpose in everything we see.

I'll elaborate. I know most of you anti God, LGBT trolls are a little slow.

There's just no getting around the intelligent design argument. Unless you're a blooming id!ot. Creation itself testifies of our Creator. Just the discoveries in a strand of DNA should have ended all debate a long time ago: “DNA is an information code. The overwhelming conclusion is that information DOES NOT and CANNOT arise spontaneously by mechanistic processes. INTELLIGENCE is a necessity in the origin of any informational code, including the genetic code, NO MATTER how much time is given.” (Lane Lester, Ph.D. Genetics, The Natural Limits to Biological Change, 1989.)

Open a medical book and see the absolute marvel that is the human body. Flip through the different systems of our bodies. And then try to “fit” evolution into what you are actually seeing. Circulatory system, nervous system, skeletal system, muscular system, digestive system, endocrine system, immune system, urinary system, reproductive system, respiratory system. Ridiculous integration and complexity in design! So many complex systems designed to work together or not at all. We are incredible "machines" that defy "magic". The logical conclusion is intelligent design. The illogical, "magic".

Now lets have a look at the universe. Einstein and his contemporaries believed the universe was a constant. That it had no beginning, that it always just was. Until Hubble came along and proved with scientific measurements that it was expanding and so, indeed, had a beginning from which it expanded. The Bible for thousands of years has told us that creation began suddenly when God proclaimed, “Let there be light.” Further, the Bible repeatedly states that God has “stretched out the heavens.” Interesting choice of words as it turns out. Scientists today are confirming that our universe indeed had a beginning, a sudden explosion of light followed by rapid expansion. Einstein and the greatest scientific minds of the twentieth century, WRONG. BIBLE RIGHT. Can you explain that for me? Guess those simple shepherds just guessed it right, huh? Just another COINCIDENCE in a never ending chain of coincidences where God is concerned.

Whatever you want to believe, the Bible has already told us that this universe we live in had a beginning and science confirms it. So WHERE did IT come from? WHAT caused IT to BE? Big Bang? Obviously, SOMEBODY made IT (?) go bang!

What you would call "magic", I know as GOD. No matter how you cut it, everything came from somewhere, and SOMEONE or SOMETHING had to just BE, for it all to come FROM. Had to be a starting point.
Now what is more logical?

Magic? Or the Intelligent Design that is overwhelmingly supported by the body of evidence? Exactly. My "hypocritical statements"? Hardly.
I'm just not fool enough to believe that highly complex "machines" and systems CREATE THEMSELVES. Just follow the scientific evidence and let's give the credit to WHO it is due.

DesiderioDomini9 #fundie bibleforums.org

...Darwin said that if evolution were true, there would be an amazing amount of transitional fossils found. We have 0. Every major scientist has admitted this. They just wont let it be taught because they know that to admit evolution is false is to admit there is a creator, and that is something they dont want to face.

Rom831 #fundie rr-bb.com

[Replying to 'you know absolutely nothing about what causes a supernova']Apparently we know more than you. GOD causes them. If it weren't for God, you would have none. I dare to say that what the process God uses to do this is so far more complex than you or any group of your scientists can contemplate that your pitiful 'knowledge' on the subject is humorous at best.

arunma #fundie christianforums.com

Actually, Huckabee's belief in creationism is one of the reasons that I'll be voting for him, despite the fact that I despise the Republican party with quite the passion. Whether or not evolution is a religion, the fact is that it is treated as such by many atheist scientists and non-scientists alike, who venerate it as some icon of atheism.

Sure, he doesn't have that great of an economic policy. And his plan for Iraq is horrendous. But I figured I'd vote for him for no other reason than to break down an altar to Richard Dawkins. And besides that, why would I listen to "the scientists" position on political issues. What do they know about politics anyway?

Power Point Paradise #fundie powerpointparadise.com

You know how people parrot the media: "Well, that Loch Ness Monster is just a myth and a legend!" Well is it really? There are "only" 800 official sightings, beside the "un-official" ones, and a couple of pictures of the beast like the one below. And several serious local newspaper reportings of people who saw "Nessie", like this clipping from 1935?

NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM 1935, TITLED: The Loch Ness Monster at Tea.
LONDON -- In far off Inverness shire, the Loch Nes Monster became active again [on June23] to show his appreciation of the summer weather. He was seen at Halfway House near Invermoriston by sixteen persons, mostly tourists having tea at the time.
George Sutherland of Edinburgh, one of the witnesses, said that the proprietress of Halfway House called out: "There's the monster!" Everyone rushed out and saw part of the creature's back as it emerged from the bay and made its way across the lake. It moved about for twenty minutes before it disappeared. "I cannot say what it was," Sutherland said, "but it was a living creature. It was no hallucination."

BELOW ARE SONAR PICTURES OF THE LOCH NESS "MONSTER"
The water of Loch Ness turned out to be so murky and black, being filled with peat particles, that a specially built submarine launched to hunt for the monster, had to abort its mission, as the crew couldn't even see one meter ahead through its portholes.
Then the whole lake, one of the deepest in the world being hundreds of meters deep, was searched with sonar equipment and these are some of the results. One can clearly see the body, fin, neck and head on the left and two other pictures show the diamond-shaped fin of this living water dragon!?Or if you prefer: a plesiosaur or pliosaur! Because this so-called "monster" of Loch Ness, has all the earmarks of being a living Plesiosaur or some other "marine dinosaur" or rather Water Dragon, often seen by the Vikings in their time, who fashioned the bows of their boats like seadragons! ?Most likely to scare the real ones, that they had encountered on their many voyages, away! Vikings were more realistic than people today!

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"But I thought Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago?
This Loch Ness creature is hardly taken serious by the media and general press, and normally pooh poohed as a hoax, hallucination, as a mysterious "monster" or as "cryptozoology!" Wish they would declare every rare bone and piece of a skull of "the human primates" as "Cryptozoology!" But those are immediately hailed as "missing links!" Only creationist scientists take "monsters" like this seriously, as one of the few remaining dragons, only labeled "dinosaurs" since 1875 by modernistic scientists of those days!
Did you know that Nessie--most likely a "plesiosaur" or a family of them--is only one of several waterdragons that survived thus far? The media, scientists and evolutionists ignore or minimise these facts, finds and phenomena. Why? Because it would negate the by the elite favored theory of evolution and their now widely promoted theory of "the asteroid that made dinosaurs extinct!" Because "long extinct dinosaurs preceding Man" paint a more believable Evolutionary scenario, than the truth: Live dragons co-existing with Man until now!
And so most scientists stick to Evolution like glue, as it's the only theory that's government- and tax-supported as well as widely funded, and because of professional peer pressure. And frankly, many, if not most of them, plainly despise the only possible alternative!--The theories of Creation and a Worldwide Flood, for which there are many proofs, both of which are supported by many historical accounts, the Bible and other reports and legends of almost every culture.
But most materialist, secular humanist scientists would rather die than adhere to these much more plausible theories! And sad to say many of them will, believing a lie and materialistic hoax perpetrated on bewildered mankind these last 125 years, to make them doubt anything supernatural, ghosts, angels, God and Jesus, to turn them to the opposite side!

"Well", you say, "they never really caught this marine dinosaur, and this may be the only one in the world, so that proves nothing! Are there any other documented sightings and witnesses reports?"

Latest Nessie picture, of course contested again!

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Navaros #fundie forum.dune2k.com

Akriku: the problem with your babbling in the original post is that evidence itself is subjective

tell me: you believe in carbon-dating? if a scientist says that a rock is 50 million years old and he has "proven" that by carbon-dating, would you believe him? would you believe he has proved it?

if so - then you are believing him based on FAITH in the idea of carbon-dating. you do not KNOW that the rock is as old as he claims it is. but based on faith in an idea - that is what determines whether or not you accept something as valid "evidence" or not

this principle is not limited to the example i've used. for almost anything that you state which contradicts religious texts - i could PROVE to you how your statement has NOT been proven with evidence - but rather is based on faith and speculation on your part.

Brian8888 #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

WHAT IF THESE POPULAR DEATHS ARE ALL FAKED? Scientists and doctors included...

These people may be heading underground to the bunkers...
Getting ready...
That's my feeling..
It is 2015...not 2000....
Seed vault...
Bunkers..
Jade helm...
Pope
Blood moons...
Hysteria
Debt
Communism
Fukushima
You name it ....we are bleeding...
Asteroid?
Who fucking cares?
FUKISHIMA.... THAT SHOULD HAVE BROKEN YOUR HEART YEARS AGO...

Good doctors are not wasted...
Rich people are not dumb...

Your not needed in the bunker...
Don't be " DUMB"...
Neither am I
These suspicious deaths...aren't even believable...
Just happening...
Normal...
Top of their fields..
Dead at 50----60
Young
Talented...
Valuable

Personally I feel a nuclear event coming on...
Possibly a nuke in Puerto Rico...?
Never know unless I live and they tell the truth on tv/ radio...
I know they want too....
Anyway...
The bunkers are ready and operating...
Maybe it's just their turn...to post-up

You must take into account that the media only slightly tells the truth.
It tells you what you want to hear..
Right?
Just puts a little spin on it...jazzes it up...spice!
There's a whole mess of truth that never makes the media spotlight..
The media shapes your vision
Plain and true...
They are all in on it and they don't even know...
All so eager to "SHOW"...
You know..
Be accepted...a part...welcome..
Tell the tale...
Bigger than life.
My house and my wife?

Black budget?
Secrets?
Really?
Where have you been?
Well I've been here and I've been there and ive been in between ...
Agenda 21?
Depopulation?
Georgia guidestones....Druids ?
Satanists?
Bohemian grove?.
Atlas shrugged?
NWO..?
They will attempt to hide beneath the rocks...
It has been foretold....
Hasn't it ?

[...]

They are going to force the apocalypse ....
With nukes...


An EMP
that would kill our electrical grid...
Globally we would lose the ability to maintain our nuclear stations...
They would all meltdown..
America has at least 75 of them....
75 FUKISHIMAS.....

That's why they call it power...
It holds our lives in balance
Life or death...
Nuclear power=death

[...]

Underground cities have been around for a long time now...
The " FLOOD" taught humanity much humility...
And defiance ...

How many scientists and astronomers killed before their prime?

ThrowItUp #fundie imdb.com

Most scientists never even taken a class on evolution. And there are many more scientists who have actually taken time to investigate the validity of the theory have discovered it is bunk.
The truth is most scientists don't want the creation explanation because of the implications so they force feed the evolution fairy tale to people despite the evidence that goes against. For examples, more and more scientists have come out to say that Darwin's Tree of Life is false; random mutations (coupled with natural selection) decreases genomic information instead of increases; the fossil record shows special creation rather than evolution etc.

Evolution is the biggest lie people have fallen for. If I didn't know better I would think Satan is behind the lie to cast doubt on special creation. "No, no you who is more complex than all the machines and computers in the world combined evolved from a single cell which accidently formed billions of years ago." The world falls for it hook, line, and sinker. Satan didn't have to have the Bible burned or only in the hands of few evil men as in the era when the evil Catholic Church had control, he will just have people doubt it by propagating a bogus theory. Hardly anyone would know it's bogus because people are too lazy to research all the facts themselves.

Adhemarde #fundie politicaloutcast.com

This is the pathetic state of "science" today. Evolution, other than intraspecies accommodation, is unproven, and far less likely than intelligent design from a purely logical point of view. Science is supposed to be empirical and unbiased, but evolution depends absolutely on atheistic materialism, and will not allow anything contrary to that view, because to do so would make their entire house of cards tumble to the floor. Global warming is the same. Many scientists call the elaborate schemes proposed by evolutionists a series of "evolutionary Just So Stories:, and they are indeed that. While the earth indeed warms and cools, we do not know over what timeframe that occurs, what causes it, whether man's activities have any effect, or even if that change would or would not be beneficial. Yet you cannot even speak to a university group, much less occupy a faculty position, unless you subscribe to the liberal dogma. Even if science were the answer to all our problems, the one-sided pseudo-religion that passes for it will get us nowhere in our search for truth.

DSpaugh #fundie christiannews.net

Shane, if the shoe were on the other foot, what would you say if a secular college refused to even hire a prof who believed in the Genesis account? From your post I know what you'd say: "Such narrow minded bigots have no business teaching science in an 'open minded, tolerant' university in search of truth. We've 'evolved' past the need for Christian superstitions." In reality your ilk demands a place at the table, then when they reach places of administrative power, close the door on dissenting opinion. Many if not all Ivy League schools started out as Christian seminaries. How many of them now have creationists in their science faculties? Name any secular university that would openly hire a creationist. Would you? What are they/you afraid of?

The fact is Science and Christianity are certainly compatible, as seen in any number of scientists who believed in the Scriptures before Darwin was ever born. Galileo, Newton, Bacon, Kepler, etc. In the latter case the Dutch Reformed Church gave Kepler funding for his astronomical research. Each one had a firm grip on science without ever embracing evolution. What you advocate is not science, but the philosophy(s) of naturalism/evolutionism. So stop special pleading.

YYYYYYY #fundie answers.yahoo.com

"Christians, How can you believe a book that has so many scientific errors/contradictions"

Self righteous retard, how do you know the world DOES move? How do you know it's NOT the stationary centre of the universe, and that everything revolves around it? Think about it--the Earth is God's single best creation, so it's only logical that it would be the centre of the universe.

Oh, let me guess you base your assertion on no real evidence except for believing what a stupid fancy-pants scientist says. They should have killed that Galileo faaaaaag

Chick Publications #fundie chick.com

Scientists recently examining fossils are baffled by several discoveries that don't fit their evolutionary assumptions of a billion-year-old earth. With the new tools such as the electron microscope and DNA analysis, soft tissue and blood cells are showing up inside fossilized bones believed to be 40+ million years old.

They freely admit that this is next to impossible for blood cells to fossilize without decaying. To cap it off, a fossilized mosquito was recently discovered in a shale formation in Montana. The mosquito was still engorged with fossilized blood from its last victim.

According to evolution's theory, the mosquito would have had to fall in a pond, sink to the bottom and be slowly covered with silt until the million-year process of fossilization could take place. They admit that blood cells could not possibly remain intact through those eons of time. But, instead of considering the possibility that it could have happened on a Biblical time frame, they choose to just scratch their heads in bewilderment, hoping "science" will eventually come up with an explanation.

To Bible believers, the answer is obvious: It is actually a young earth where the cataclysm of the world-wide flood suddenly buried God's original verdant creation quickly fossilizing plants and animals with the pressure of the upheaval.

Creationists quickly pointed out that evolutionary dating is flawed by circular reasoning. The mosquito was found in a shale formation that evolutionists claim to be around 40 million years old. And how do they know that? They assume that the sediment that made the shale was deposited bit by bit over time with no sudden changes in the environment.

So how do they date the shale? By looking at the fossils in the shale that they have dated from a fictional geological column. And how are the fossils dated? By their position in the shale.

This circular reasoning is the best the evolutionist can come up with in his attempt to leave God out of the process. God keeps pealing back the layers of their false assumptions, exposing them to the truth in case some will have an honest heart and consider the possibility of a Creator. 

If challenged, the evolutionist will shoot down the messenger, rather than consider that their theory could be wrong. God won't force the issue. He maintains a careful balance of evidence that allows man to freely choose to acknowledge or deny their Creator. But, for those with ears to hear, he sneaks in adequate evidence to believe the truth if they truly desire it.

Soul winners need to continually raise the issue of Creation. God said He would send strong delusion to those who reject the truth. Evolution surely qualifies as a strong delusion but we must expose that lie so those whose hearts are still open to truth will understand the issue. The Chick tract Big Daddy?, can be used to saturate your community and raise questions about evolution. Then, the information in the paperbacks, The Evolution Handbook and Vanishing Proofs of Evolution can be used to explode the myth and guide people to understanding that there is a Creator and what our responsibility is to respond to His love. 

Anonymous Coward #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

The USG And The Weaponization of The Weather

Earth has been suffering an increase in earthquakes and volcanoes. Winter and summer temperatures are heading to the extremes and storms are more powerful than modern recorded history. The USG has set up a federal website addressing those weather changes, yet it doesn’t provide any real cause for them, and they know why Earth is suffering those changes because they’re responsible for many of them.

According to the US Navy, the USG is experimenting with weather modification and has been for a very long time and admits to the spraying of chemtrails, per my brother-in-law who wrote policy for the US Navy until his retirement.

They’re not experimenting, they have weaponized the weather using Earth’s ionosphere and magnetic fields. Alaska is home to one of the HAARP installations that are located around the world. HAARP or High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program affects the ionosphere by using an antenna array that emits microwaves more commonly known as radio waves.

Run by the US Navy and US Air Force, HAARP is a global multipurpose weapon capable of destroying all life on Earth. A bold statement yet accurate and HAARP proves that using intelligence without wisdom is not intelligent. The experiments to Earth’s atmosphere that started in 1958 have caused so much harm to the workings of this planet you’d think scientists would stop doing them, but that would take common sense and a certain amount of humility to admit they don’t know what they are doing.

The idea of the experiments leading up to SDI, HAARP, and beyond were partly to disrupt an enemy’s communication systems by artificially creating electromagnetic fields using a type of EMP blast in the upper atmosphere without the destruction caused by an atomic weapon. So amongst other things, HAARP can take out an entire region’s communication systems.

The atomic bombs that were detonated in the upper atmosphere back in 1958 created new magnetic radiation belts inside Earth’s natural magnetic field. Those experiments continued over the years causing more alterations and damage to both the atmosphere and Earth’s natural magnetic field. That started to cause both physiological and health problems to children born after that time.

For example, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) is common in children now but that’s not the whole of it, it’s affecting adults too. Geneticists learned long ago DNA can be changed even in an adult, and there’s more than one way to make those changes. Pharmaceuticals, vaccines, and man-made viruses modify DNA too.

Our brains and central nervous systems run on chemical-electric energy and produces a small electromagnetic field, just as any electrical activity does. Magnetic fields can influence other magnetic fields. Earth has a magnetic field, and our brains develop and work within that field. Disrupt that field and thinking is affected. Because of the experiments, the changes in Earth’s magnetic field were more or less instantaneous, and those changes do not sync up with Earth’s DNA and the development of a newborn.

Those EM (electromagnetic) systems can also be used to produce mild to severe physiological disruption or perceptual distortion or disorientation. Also, the ability of individuals to function could be degraded to such a point that they would be combat ineffective. That part of the technology was used in the first Iraqi war in which my cousin was an aid to the Colonel of a tank battalion. HAARP, to a certain degree, was a mobile technology even then. The stationary HAARP installations can affect vast areas and are being used to do so. So, a real question would be why would they prefer the general population to act contrary to nature, to ignore their natural tendency for survival?

Billy-Reuben Gibson #fundie charismanews.com

Egghead scientists want you to believe that the sun is 93 million miles away, but simple trigonometry proves that it is much closer.

On the equinox at solar noon, the sun is directly over the equator at a spot due south from me. That means that the equator, the sun, and I form a right triangle, so if I know my distance to the equator and if I can measure the angle of the sun, then I can calculate the distance to the sun.

So I borrowed a sextant on the equinox and measured the angle of the sun at solar noon, and it came out as 53.6°, which I would expect since I am at 36.4° latitude. Valle Hermosa, Ecuador is roughly 2517.9 miles due south from me. So, if I plug in the values into this simple trigonometric formula and solve for the distance to the sun, I get the following:

tan(T) = Opposite / Adjacent
tan(53.6) = Opposite / 2517.9 miles
1.356 = Opposite / 2517.9 miles
Opposite ˜ 3414.3 miles

So, the sun is a mere 3414.3 miles overhead.

Patrick Scrivener #conspiracy reformation.org

For lighting and power, every country in the world today uses the polyphase alternating current system invented by Nikola Tesla. What many don't know is that this revolutionary discovery was almost sabotaged by Samuel Insull, Thomas Edison, and J.P. Morgan. General Jackson called the British "the enemies of the human race" and in the following article you will see why he was not only a great soldier . . . but a PROPHET.

On February 28, 1881, 21-year-old British Secret Service agent Samuel Insull arrived in New York City from London, England. His mission was to work with Thomas Edison, and ensure that Edison's direct current (DC) system prevailed as the only electrical system in the land of the free.

In 1881, Samuel Insull arrived from Britain and became private secretary to Thomas A. Edison in New York City.

As a British Secret Service agent, Samuel Insull was licensed to kill alternating current (AC), and keep the entire world in the dark!!

[...]

The big test to determine which system would prevail was the upcoming 1893 Columbian Exposition, or the first Chicago World's Fair.

It was meant to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Portuguese Christopher Columbus landing in the New World. However, 1892 was a Presidential election year so the celebration was held on the following year.

The city of Chicago had requested bids from General Electric and Westinghouse to light up the Columbian Exposition.

After New York City, Chicago was to be the second front in the War of the Currents.

Insull arrived in the Windy City in 1892, and immediately began buying up all the small electric generating companies.

He was determined to totally exclude Tesla and Westinghouse from the upcoming Columbian Exposition.

He was determined to totally exclude Tesla and Westinghouse from the upcoming Columbian Exposition.

Insull's money came from the Bank of England, and he was the John D. Rockefeller of the electrical industry. Like Rockefeller, he used the same ruthless "cutting to kill" tactics to drive all the small companies out of business.

The company created by Insull, Edison, and Morgan was called General Electric. Edison's name was totally excluded from the company because he couldn't even invent a mousetrap.

It was General Electric v. Westinghouse at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair.

The multi-billion dollar General Electric Company was British owned from the very beginning, while Westinghouse is now owned by a Japanese company!!

[...]

Insull used Tesla's AC to develop the atomic bomb!!

After "Kissin' Cousins" Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species by Natural Selection, the most exciting book for the British Empire was published in 1875. It was entitled Physics of the Ether by Samuel Tolver Preston. Like Nikola Tesla, Preston believed in the existence of the ether.

To the military establishment in the British Empire it held out the possibility of an atomic bomb to destroy Britannia's 3 main rivals: France, Russia, and the United States. This goal was even more critical following the disastrous defeat of the British/German Coalition in World War I.

As research on this super weapon progressed, it became apparent that splitting the atom would require enormous amounts of alternating current.

Around 1920, British scientists realized that splitting the atom would require huge amounts of electricity.

In 1933, the TVA was created by Roosevelt for this very purpose.

In 1933, Ernest Livermore patented the first cyclotron for splitting atoms.

The government became involved in producing electricity in 1933, with the massive Tennessee Valley Authority hydroelectric project. Prior to that time, the government never became involved in private enterprise. Even the Morse telegraph did not receive any government funding.

It never occurred to the great genius Nikola Tesla to use his AC to split atoms.

Without massive amounts of electricity, Hiroshima would never have happened.

Insull was indeed the real "Father" of the atomic bomb!!

The legacy of Insull is still with us today . . . as sinister as ever....The George Westinghouse company is mostly involved in nuclear power stations, and is owned by a Japanese company, the Toshiba Group.

The British owned General Electric has annual revenues exceeding 150 billion dollars. It is a vital part of the nuclear weapons industry, and the major player in the military-industrial complex condemned by President Eisenhower.

Most of the revenues of General Electric comes from the inventions of Nikola Tesla: motors, turbines, radio, TV, x-rays, robotics, etc., etc. The HAARP system, which is used to modify the weather in the U.S., was invented by Tesla to make the desert blossom as the rose.

Anonymous Coward #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

Quantum Physics is a hoax!

"Rational mechanics must be the science of the motions which result from any forces, and of the forces which are required for any motions, accurately propounded and demonstrated." -- Sir Isaac Newton

These Illuminati agents are using junk science to cover up the fact that God's orderly universe functions perfectly! In the 1600s, the venerable Sir Isaac Newton explained much of how the universe works, and other Real Scientists expanded on his work to give us Classical (or "Correct") Physics.

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Albert Einstein -- a venerable man in his own right -- accidentally unleashed this would-be science with General and Special Relativity. These mathematically sound theories do not actually describe the real world, but Einstein didn't know this. The Illuminati -- who desperately wanted to disprove the unapproachable work of Isaac Newton -- ultimately provided Einstein with fake evidence during the famous 1919 eclipse. From there, their shills were able to take over the field and claim that God's orderly universe was a lie. As a good man and not a shill, Einstein objected to this, proclaiming firmly, "God does not play dice!" However, he didn't know about the 1919 conspiracy, so he just assumed that he'd made a math error somewhere. He spent the rest of his life trying to fix his brilliant -- yet completely wrong -- theories.

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Despite these facts, we keep hearing more and more about the infallibility of these theories -- this field -- which makes no sense! As most of you, I'm sure, the people who make these claims are shills. There, I said it. Now, I have no doubt that there will be shills like Dr. Shillstro who will come into this thread saying, "It's all been explained, you religitard! The virtual particles explain it all!" or some other obscurantist garble. Quantum shills like to obscure the truth and say, "It's too complicated." or "You're being religious." All opposition to the nonsensical superpositional nature of particles is "religious." Well, I suppose that Reason itself is religious, then.


If you want true science, the truth is that there are forces in this universe which from God's sovereignty. Newton explored the Force of Gravity, while other true scientists uncovered other forces like electricity and magnetism. The technological benefits in today's world all come from Classical Physics. Now, you have the hoax "quantum computers" and and a bunch of other garble like that. These devices are all fake. They're using cleverly obscured Classical Physics to fool you! Don't be taken in by such Illuminist lies.

Rayburne Winsor #fundie facebook.com

Rayburne Winsor: Renown physicist Paul Davies, certainly no friend to Creationists or Christians in general, has pointed out that the living cell would be more meaningfully equated to an incredibly powerful supercomputer, in his own words, "an information processing and replicating system of astonishingly complexity." He stated: "DNA is not a special life-giving molecule, but a general databank that transmits its own information using a mathematical code. Most of the workings of the cell are best described, not in terms of material stuff--hardware--but as information, or software," which as a naturalistic origin-of-life perspective.."leaves us with a curious conundrum. How did nature fabricate the world's first digital information processor—the original living cell—from the blind chaos of blundering molecules ? How did molecular hardware get to write its own software?"

A recent New Scientist article stated: "There is no doubt that the common ancestor possessed DNA, RNA and proteins, a universal genetic code, ribosomes (the protein-building factories), ATP, and a proton-powered enzyme for making ATP. The detailed mechanisms for reading off DNA and converting genes into proteins were also in place. In short, then, the last common ancestor of all life looks pretty much like a modern cell".

My reply: And evolutionists claim there is no evidence to believe in a superintelligent, All-wise, All-knowing, All powerful , Creator-God. No wonder God's word states that the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God (1 Corinthians 3: 19). The problem is not evidence but, as one scientist said, they (evolutionists ) cannot allow God to get a foot in the door. Some educated people are ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth . God bless.


David Murray: Its called cell theory, its well explained, and you shouldn't talk about science when you dont know any

Rayburne Winsor
Rayburne Winsor David, stop acting like an idiot. That is how you come across to people reading this , because you don't have to be a scientist (are you one?) to understand what Paul Davies said above anymore than I have to be a mathematician to know that 2+2= 4. Honestly, I have heard all this crap before(nothing new) from atheists and Bible skeptics who think that the only avenue to determine truth is what can be understood by a naturalistic explanation. Naturalism does not explain the origin of life, the origin of sex, the origin of consciousness, the origin of love , the origin of morality . These may be "unsolved mysteries " to Richard Dawkins (who now knows better) but they are easily and most rationally and intelligently explained in God's Word.

David Murray: i dont care what atheists say, i care what science says and what DNA proves and what is a scientific theory you are ignorant of, cell theory
the origin of life is an ongoing study in several major universities and to try to talk about with no data in yet shows you are another idiot yelling at the wright brothers man will never fly
gods word says planets come before stars so its worth nothing to anyone with half a clue how the natural world works

Rayburne Winsor: But you do, right David. Typical proud, arrogant atheist response.
DNA, science and information theory (bio-informatics, the study of biological information) disproves "from the goo, through the zoo, to you, molecules to man" evolution. (see Gitt, W. ., 1997, In the Beginning was Information, CLV, Bielefeld, Germany and Truman, R. The problem of information for the theory of evolution: Has Dawkins really solved it? 1999; trueorigin.org/dawkinfo.asp).
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Rayburne Winsor: Really? But you know better than God's Word (He is not one of little gods) . Right? God's Word has a name for you. Proverbs 14:1).

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

In the 1995 blockbuster movie INDEPENDENCE DAY, the U.S. President (played by Bill Pullman) is laying in bed alone with his 6-year old daughter. He answers the phone to talk to his wife . . .

INT. WHITMORE BEDROOM - SAME

Whitmore sits up.

WHITMORE
I have a confession to make.
There's a beautiful young blonde
sleeping next to me.

Sleeping next to him, his six-year-old daughter, PATRICIA.

Although seemingly harmless to some people, the movie clearly plants the THOUGHT of pedophilia into the viewer's mind. American's have been TRAINED by all of the sexually suggestive television to think dirty. The comment made by the father to the mother on the phone is of a sexual nature... “I have a confession to make,” and then he makes reference to a “beautiful blonde.” This is the sex-sicko Hollywood culture. Such child molesting suggestiveness is EPIDEMIC in Hollywood movies!!! What kind of sexually degenerate Hollywood piece of trash would joke about a father and child having sex? THAT'S HOLLYWOOD!

Later in the movie, the U.S. President and his staff ask to look at a spacecraft retrieved in the 1950's. While looking at the spacecraft the lead scientist says:

She's a beaut' ain't she?

Immediately the camera focuses close-up on the 6-year old girl, Patricia. Again, it's subtle, but continues the pedophile thought planted earlier in the movie. Remember, the movie begins with Patricia in bed with her father, whom he refers to as “a beautiful young blonde sleeping next to me.” Hollywood pedophiles know that TV watching Americans are dirty-minded, because nearly all of the programming nowadays is extremely dirty-minded. You must keep in mind that EVERYTHING which Hollywood records on camera is intention, deliberate and planned. You say, “Boy preacher, you have a dirty mind”... No, I have a man's mind!

Paul Dowdy #fundie newscientist.com

science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life SO= where did humans, animals,plant life come from? And science says there has to be a cause and effect so whats the cause. If a scientist could tell me that he knows where everything came from then i would believe that the bible is fake. but science will never be able to make sence think about it you keep coming back to how did it get started and science has no starting prosess for life. you cant take nothing and nothing and a little bit of nothing and put it togeter in a lab and creat anything. science dont even know how a cubit foot of space is created you know that stuff you walk threw ,air is in it ,your house is in it ,the earth is in it. you cant tell me space is just free theres no formula no math to figure it out. If you use worldly logic it just dont make sence you know science. the only logical answer is the unlogical one to use that something magical created everything wich would be god. Oh yeah i belive in the bible but i belive that it is older than alot of people do. The bible does say that the world is round spear mean round. and the the bible saying things like i will go to the end of the world doesnt mean they thought is was flat we still say that phrase today. and the bible knew that befor we did. the bible knew that there were spings in the bottom of the ocean and we didnt discover it until like 1970. Even if im wrong why would anyone want to live knowing that they are just going to die in that case i dont mean anything life is all for nothing. or you can beleve and get saved and you still dont have to live a sin free life thats why jesus died on the cross. you have nothing to lose if you beleve. and if you dont beleve you have nothing to gain even if the bible and god was not ture.

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


(commenting on film about an after life)


The film seems to have focused only on suicides that could be triggered if the after-life is seen as real. But so many other things would also happen which would be much more significant.

1. People would be happier because they know death is only a transition.

2. People would be more moral and ethical because someone is watching and keeping records.

3. People will focus less on pleasures here and more on their duties and responsibilities.

4. Scientists would stop philosophizing and giving their opinion on religion and spirituality. Dawkins would be somewhat depressed.

5. No one will bother about the cosmos and galaxies, big bang, exo planets etc. Better things to do.

6. Similarly with QM, evolution etc., though genetics and medical science would still be fairly relevant.

7. Crime may come down for fear of the after-life.....because the after-life does not mean only 'heaven', there would be a 'hell' too. Some NDErs have said so.

8. Generally, priorities will change dramatically, and lifestyles will change...though some people may still be unable to control their base animal instincts.

Mastertronic #conspiracy alien-ufos.com

The implant is wired sophisticated 3 dimensional implant that comes from the sound of your alien, possibly 90 million light years away. the implant compound is most nano electronic, would take leading scientists in the world could not even fathom it. the scientist don't want to touch it anyway. do not remove it no matter what happens, if you remove it you will not see anymore aliens or UFOs. .and the aliens will find another human. .it is to monitor your nerves system among other things. you may feel a buzz sometimes that is frequency to and from space. - I have implants inside my eyeballs and my head.

their has been cases abductees have remove their implants, and given the implants to doctors etc, then it they tested the implants and found nano tubes which is the strongest material in the world. for example. . if you seen Superman's movie II I think it was were superman's strange of hair is holding balancing a 2000lb. they also made things out of the implants which will change this world as im speaking in the next decade the world will see some amazing technology. thanks

so far some people in our country removed their implants we are in progress making everything out of these implants material. .but we dont know what the implants are really for..just material.
so far have found the cure to all disease's including the common cold. .I don't think any one will die of anything now. .but this leads to the governments. .its up to them. .if they want us to die or not.
out of the implants we are position of my making , super computers, we can fit an entire super computer on the half the size of a pea.we have designed now cars that can change color. things like that or windows the fly's or any inspections just slide right off. these are just tiny things to see soon. .so you removing your implant probably wont do much now. .because it has already been done. .leave the implant inside you.

esther #fundie teens4christ.org

Yeah, they [scientists] think theyre so smart. Like they've got the whole world figured out. Sometimes I think the world would be better off if we ignored science altogether. Obviously they dont know what theyre talking about if they dont think God ever existed.

Alena #fundie talkorigins.org

YOU are such an idiot whoever wrote about Kent Hovind being a fraud and his proposal of 250,000 being something tricky. YOU are a fool. The only reason you are getting hung up over this guy is A. He's right. B. If you had proof, you would show it C. You can't do anything about his offer cuz you got nothing pal. You know he's right that all scientists will offer is micro evolution proff Cuz you guys got nothing else to sit your butts on! everything else you simply believe and "infer" that it somehow all had to work out. Stop being a wuss! and picking on somebody that you can't even do anything about, all you can do is write a page on the website about how stupid he is, look at yourself buddy, who's the fool?

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