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BehindtheCurtain, BondiBlue & Omina_Sentenziosa #transphobia ovarit.com

The Far Left Only Tolerates Trans Because It is a Force for Destabilization

( BehindtheCurtain )
I think they support both TIM and radical Islam because they are both male supremacy movements

( BondiBlue )
Those TIMs who get off on being “submissive Muslima brides” donning the burqa as fetish gear are among the most grotesque things the male animal has come up with.

And yet even ISIS finds “trans harem girls” to be repulsive. They sure as hell know what a woman is when they’re raping her. But our ostensibly liberal politicians consider this perversity stunning and brave.

( Omina_Sentenziosa )
The far left doesn' t tolerate trans, it fully embraces it. They share the same core values, starting with the position of women and men.

This explains why the radical left, despite claiming to be feminist, has absolutely zero problem with tossing women to the wolves

This is something I have seen often: how is possible that so-called feminists are throwing women under the bus? Simple, because they are not feminists. That word has been twisted like many others and bastardized so much that it means something completely different, even though they worked hard at mantaining a working cover so that the most naive people could still be drawn by its original meaning.

It' s like wondering how TIMs can be so hateful of women despite claiming to be women. They are not women, and them claiming to be is proof number one that they hate women. Far leftists and so-called feminists are doing the same thing.

( BondiBlue )
The Spectator has a very intriguing article which argues that the “Palestine project” as we know it today was a Soviet/KGB creation intended to sow discord in the West.

https://archive.ph/2rmya

Same thing with the movement for “queerness,” as James Lindsay and others have explored: it’s a “culturally Marxist” weaponization of dogmatic religiosity, aimed at destruction under the guise of “liberation.”

Except instead of liberating from capital exploitation, these nihilistic projects are just enriching pharma and the war machine, while leaving dead and mutilated women and children in their wake.

Revolutions always devour the young.

mathlover #transphobia #sexist #ableist ovarit.com

(Re: A trans woman joined a sorority. Then her new sisters turned on her.)

His autism is irrelevant. Autistic males are just as deeply inculcated wih male socialization as all males. They absorb it just as much as all other males. They may even be less likely to ever have any misgivings about the violation and sense of entitlement of male socialization.

So what if he feels "bad" for women rejecting his presence in a sex-specific women's space. If he feels like garbage for being rejected, that is appropriate. Hopefully he will feel so profoundly rejected as a POS that he will leave the sorority, where he will never - can never - belong.

BondiBlue #transphobia ovarit.com

A trans woman joined a sorority. Then her new sisters turned on her.

[he] discovered [his] name on neo-Nazi websites

LOL, it sounds like dude may have found his name on the legendary birdwatching forum, and WaPo is bitter they couldn’t destroy it despite Taylor Lorenz’s best efforts. He made the Internet hall of shame and he’s salty.

The Farms is not a Nazi site; its owner/founder is Jewish, and among its membership are other socially introverted autistics who use those like Artemis and his ilk as an example of what not to become, in their quest to better themselves despite life dealing them a rough go of it.

There’s also a gender-critical subforum that specifically discusses TRAs and the reality-denying, destructive ideology that has completely engulfed the world, and shoved the rights and dignity of women, children, the disabled, LGB people, freedom of thought, association, creed, and expression, and the credibility of institutions, into a woodchipper — with the words “Be Kind” painted on it in big, bold letters (and “or else” in the fine print).

Mostly, they just like to laugh at people like Artemis who make a public spectacle of themselves. And who doesn’t, really. It’s not a neo-Nazi belief or practice to be repulsed by pathological liars and sexual predators, or to find whiny and entitled losers who make a (literal) federal case out of mere disagreements something to be pointed at and mocked.

It’s you, hi, you’re the problem, and (almost) everyone agrees.

Kibeth, old_but_gold & AriadneOnNaxos #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What kept you from peaking?

( Kibeth )
Pre-peak, I didn't understand it but figured it's not my business what someone else does with their body. [...]. I thought we were just accepting that some men are more comfortable pretending to be women--not that they actually believed themselves to be the same as women. I didn't know how pernicious the movement had become.

I think the first hint of peaking came when I heard about JK Rowling's comments, looked them up myself and didn't see the issue. It was wild to me that everyone is supposed to pretend TIMs are the same as real women. I started to feel uncomfortable, but it was still just some radicals posting online, right? Except I started to hear the same TWAW bs from relatives and friends and well, literally everywhere else. [...]

I think there are probably a lot of people like I was who don't realize how much this is encroaching on our daily lives and have a live and let live attitude about it and so don't pay too much attention. And if they do have any discomfort or criticism, it's difficult to find impartial information to learn more, let alone talk about all of it without coming under fire.

( old_but_gold )
The sex/gender distinction.

I thought everyone understood that TIMs were mentally ill males and that it was a mere kindness to call them "women." I figured we can make room under that label to accommodate them, after all "gender" is just a social role right? That's why I parroted handmaiden lines.

When it finally dawned on me that, no, TRAs really want you to believe that TIMs are female and that they'll call you a bigot and a TERF for acknowledging that sex is a real thing and that it matters, no matter how kind you are about pointing it out and no matter where you restrict the meaningfulness of sex to (including sports, changing rooms, and prisons) -- that's when I peaked.

( AriadneOnNaxos )
I thought we were only pretending that people could change sex. My political tribe was committed to making a tiny minority of poor sad souls who had so internalised homophobia that they thought it was better to be the opposite sex than same-sex attracted feel better. It would be mean to keep telling them they could never actually be the opposite sex, so we told them they were whatever “on the inside”. Of course everybody understood that this was a polite fiction - everyone!

Wrenn #transphobia #dunning-kruger ovarit.com

RE: Need help with Pie analogy

The “rights aren’t pie” mantra originally was used in the cause for gay marriage rights. And the way your friend was using it isn’t even close to how it is intended.

Basically, it was to say that straight people weren’t losing a piece of their “pie” by the legalization of gay marriage. It was a good analogy for that specifically, because the visual was that “marriage” was supposed to be a whole pie - belonging entirely to heterosexuals - and those who opposed gay marriage believed that they were having to cut a slice off and give it to “the gays”, thereby diminishing their pie. But the whole point was that rights aren’t pie. Straight couples lost nothing by allowing two men or two women to walk into a courthouse and obtain a marriage certificate, and have all the legal protections that go along with heterosexual marriage. There was absolutely no change to the legality, status, or validity of heterosexual marriages.

But in the case of “trans rights” - these people are arguing for special changes to rights they already have. They have the right to use the restroom in public, they have the right to play sports in school, they have the right to marry. They aren’t happy with the terms of those rights, while everyone else is. So unlike in the case of gay marriage - where a person had zero legal access to something that others did, on the sole basis of their sexual orientation - trans people already have the rights they demand changes to. And those changes actually do take something away from other people (women and girls). They take away our right to segregation by sex in areas where not being segregated puts as at a disadvantage, in the sole basis of our sex.

If we really want to go back to pie - everyone has pie, and are regularly served enough to eat forever. Trans people demand a different flavor of pie be served to them every minute, which ends up meaning the baker doesn’t have enough time to bake all the other pies anymore, and a lot of people go hungry as a result.

But if it was my friend, I would remind her that rights are not food, nuance is imperative, and complex ideas cannot be boiled down to a third grade reading level. Oh and that men’s rights end where mine begin.

RighteousIndignation, Sheva & Spencer_Shayy #transphobia ovarit.com

TRA's destroy everything in their wake
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( RighteousIndignation )
I would just put, tolerance, freedom of expression, free speech and equality on that sign.

( Sheva )
They will destroy everything that doesn’t play into their fetishes. They will destroy by perverting or they will destroy through violence.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Don't forget people with disorders of sexual development, formerly known as "intersex" conditions. I'd also argue people of color should be on there too, because of the appropriating of "third genders" from other cultures, and the delusion that sex is an "invention of the White man", which completely disregards the violent oppression women of color faced at the hands of men of color long before any culture in Europe grew into a civilization.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( spw )
"The real threat to women is 'cis' men, not transwomen"
It really annoys me when people say this. TRAs say things like "the real threats to women's sports are misogyny and lack of opportunities for girls/women, not transwomen." Yes it may be true that this is a bigger problem. But there is no easy solution to this. We've made a lot of progress recently but any progress has been slow and gradual over a long period of time. There is so much progress that needs to be made, but unfortunately there is nothing that could be done tomorrow that would fix all of these issues.

However there is an easy solution to TIMs in women's sports. It would take one small bit of legislation banning them, that could be done tomorrow and it would be sorted. It's just absurd that it's even a problem. So yes there are bigger problems, but this one is a big problem and can be fixed so easily

Same with when they say "the real threat to women is abusive men, not TIMs." Yes but there is no easy solution to that but it should be so easy to just ban TIMs from women's spaces now

( Women1st )
TIMs are male. Males are the problem. An identity doesn’t change the rotten core

( OwnLyingEyes )
The real threat to women is the collective decision being made over and over again on a government level that women's rights, safety, opportunities, wellbeing, boundaries/consent, and lives don't matter, many of which are currently being made by demand of TIMs. Women are under siege behind our barricades. TIMs are manning the battering ram knocking all of that down. Yes, there's a far larger horde of dangerous men outside of those gates, but that doesn't mean the battering ram brigade isn't the immediate threat in this situation (only magnifies the threat they represent to us), because they're the ones throwing their all into breaching our defenses and once breached we're vulnerable to the whole damn horde.

And plenty of TIMs are abusive men, they are misogynists, they're the same damn picture.

( RusticTroglodyte )
There is no such thing as "cis". "Transwomen" is just a name pornsick men with fetishes use to describe themselves.

It is baffling to me that ppl think a male simply saying, "I'm a woman" magically removes him from the class of ppl who commit 90% of violent crime and 99% of sexual assault. It is totally nonsensical and requires a belief in magic gender souls

Carthimundia & Calidris #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans ideology has entirely warped the concept of bisexuality

( Calidris )
Bisexuality doesn't actually exist in the transgender ideology framework, no? They literally don't believe in biological sex so every human has to be attracted to both sexes because in their world you're only attracted to the gender soul which is obviously invisible. So what it comes down to is clothes and accessories, or how they call it "gender expression". So in their logic a straight woman is a kind of bisexual because she'd be attracted to men and AMAB non binaries. Two genders, so bisexual. Even though they're the same sex but they wear slightly clothing!

But if attraction to imaginary gender souls is okay and good why can't attraction to sexed bodies be good? Well because if women have their way, men don't get their dicks as wet. That's it, that's the whole reason behind it, dry dicks that want to be wet.

( Carthimundia )
Yes, what I’ve come to realise is bisexuality is essentially destroyed in the gender paradigm. Young people are now saying the word “bisexual” is an old fashioned term that is kept because of history, but if you actually say you are attracted to both sexes you are a bigot and wrong. So they keep the word but not its essence.

There does seem to be a bit of tension about what bisexuality actually is- the hearts over parts view, or the more than one gender view. Both are fundamentally in tension but doesn’t seem to bother genderists.

And you’re exactly right, technically speaking a straight woman should be attracted to all men so “trans men” and “cis men”. Perhaps also non binary or gender fluid males. I haven’t heard any concept of someone just attracted to “cis” people , outside of super straight memes.

It shouldn’t bother anyone that I want to define my own sexuality as attraction to males and females but this is deeply threatening to genderists …

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

RE: The colonisation of lesbian & bisexual women’s spaces by TIMs - the canary in the coal mine?

( unlearningtrans )
Lesbian community (which includes bisexual women) has been ravaged by pornography, polyamory, Trans, and kink. Men have colonized our spaces. It’s ruined dating—just hop on Lex or HER, and it’s taken from us our bars, our festivals, and our right to exist and call ourselves bisexual or homosexual women. It makes me fucking furious. Being pro-reality as a lesbian is to be a parish today—I think it’s bigger than the TIMs though. They are awful and we need to resist them but we need to resist the Queer bullshit as well. All that keeps me sane are the lesbians who came before me like Julie Bindel that know this shit is not new.

( Carrots90 )
And all the butchered young lesbians. Trying to be a simulacrum of short, straight men

Heartbreaking

( unlearningtrans )
Horrific. Conversion therapy in a vile and violent form.

( mathlover )
They violate personal space because they get off on it. They talk about being touch starved. Well, yeah. No lesbians and very few bi or het women want to get anywhere near these guys. So they get way too close to any woman if there is an opportunity. They know women will feel uncomfortable or even defiled but won't say anything. And if a woman does complain, the man will make a scene and aggressively harass the woman for being a "bigot". This sense of "power" and violation of women's bodies and personal space gets them off and provides mental masturbation fodder for later on when they cry about being rejected by women (lesbians) who will never want them.

( sarstan )
My theory is that the movement is to sexualize society so that men can access whomever and whatever they want, wherever, whenever, however and why-ever they want. We will have fetishes everywhere in public life.

( [Deleted] )
Yeah a new friend of mine and I discussed this (she’s a rad fem) and she said exactly that. TIMs access to and garnering sympathy from society for their fetishising of woman hood and as well as that society encouraging those lib fems to embrace sex work and pornography as empowerment

MaryDyer #transphobia ovarit.com

If we don’t put an end to this madness, the generations that come after this one will have to relearn what young millennials and gen z willingly unlearned about the nature of crime and why we segregate males from females in intimate settings.

100 years from now they’ll be reviewing compiled crime statistics and they’ll notice something:

Investigator 1: “Hey, you know what I’ve noticed, Bobbert?”

Investigator 2: “What, Tavariousness Rex?”

Investigator 1: “Well, you know how women are sexually assaulting other women like, every day?”

Investigator 2: “Yeah? Those wily women.”

Investigator 1: “Well according to the prison records, almost all of those women are AMAB. Like…99% of them.”

Investigator 2: “Yeah, you know, I read a recent study out of the UK that found the same thing. Crazy, right?”

Investigator 1: “It makes me wonder if there’s some sort of…link…between AMABs and sexual violence against women.”

Investigator 2: “Well if there’s a link, what do we do about it?”

Investigator 1: “Well first we need more data to confirm the link, but if it’s true, we could start by giving the AFABs their own spaces in which to feel safe. You know, intimate spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms and stuff like that. They’d be AFAB-only; No AMAB allowed in.”

Investigator 2: “My grand-birthing-person once told me that they used to do that. It was like, standard practice all over the world.”

Investigator 1: “SHHHH! We don’t talk about the Before Times. We don’t know who’s listening…”

MiMi2013, AriadneOnNaxos & WasItSomethingISaid #transphobia ovarit.com

The comedian taking on transphobia in a new show (that imagines JKR sitting down with trans interviewer)

( MiMi2013 )
There is no such thing as "transphobia" . There's people who think trans woMEN* are Sad Gay Men who've had their junk cut off, and people who know the majority of trans woMEN are heterosexual men who are physically intact, and who want to stick those intact and functioning "lady dicks" inside lesbians , whether they want it there or not, either as "validation" for their autogynephilia/"transbian" bullshit, OR because they're simply predators. The former (the ignorant/deluded) think the latter are "transphobic'

* Trans "men" are basically irrelevant as even the plummeting percentage that are the stereotypical Molestation Victims/Lesbians are no threat whatsoever, as there's no such thing as a "sex change operation". Trans "men" gain NOTHING in 'transitioning' in the way of physical strength, and no matter how irritating 'gay trans "men" ' are to gay men, they are in no way a threat to them, the way trans woMEN are to women, lesbian and otherwise.(It's amazing how many trans "men" really and truly seem to think that they're somehow gonna magically gain the height and build of a man, or that T in the bloodstream , if it gets to a certain percentage, will somehow give them physical strength equal to an actual man. )

( AriadneOnNaxos )
I admit to being curious about this show.

I wonder if Piper Scott is capable of understanding materialist arguments well enough to present them accurately, and whether the effect will be what he clearly anticipates, or will the audience see it differently.

If I weren’t on the other side of the globe, I think I’d go.

( WasItSomethingISaid )
If he or any other TPA could engage in actual debates with gender critical people without looking like absolute fools, they would do this rather than deplatforming us, censoring us and attempting to intimidate us into silence. I'm pretty sure the entire audience will be TPAs. Curious people might watch a debate, but not a drag show in which JKR is burned in effigy.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Starting to have resentment for HSTS men for having a hand in creating a false image of TIMs

( samsdat )
I’m not just here because of the danger to women and the fetishism and the intrusion into our spaces and the obliteration of our right to privacy; I am also offended at the fraud. And the HSTS are just as fraudulent as the straight AGPs. It’s an infuriatingly shameless denial of reality.

Now, I’m not against having some unprovable beliefs about souls or other things that can’t be proven to be real. I have my own beliefs that other people might think are ridiculous. And I’m fine with people believing things I don’t believe. But those beliefs should never be forced on other people. Trans is a religion and the whole thing offends my belief in separation of church and state AND freedom of speech.

( Aparallaxia )
There are some HSTS who speak out against straight TIMs, but not many, and that's in part because so many of them also are AGPs who hate and envy women just as fiercely.

BTW I don't find Nikkie Tutorials 'safe and non-threatening'. Anytime he is photographed next to a woman he looks like he's brought his lunch with him.

( Spencer_Shayy )
He also raped his husband by deception by not telling him he was male.

( SecondSkin )
Gay men are men.

Men are the problem. All men. Gay men, black men, disabled men, elderly men included. All are the problem, so don’t be afraid of saying it.

( fightlikeagirl )
Would I rather be around an HSTS than an AGP? Absolutely, because straight men are more dangerous. That being said, all TIMs perpetuate harm against women.

( RisingUp )
Gay TIMs could have stopped this shit dead in its tracks if they’d publicly disowned the creepy cross-dressers. And if they actually cared about women they would have.

( Riothamus )
Gay TIMs seek to rape straight men by deception. Of course they won't call out dudes who try to use the same tactic against women.

( Bubsy3D )
It's okay to be angry at gay men because they're men even if they do not transition into anything btw. Only men can be truly homophobic against gays because the root of their """phobia""" is the fear of being the target on another man's penile access, which they know is extremely degrading.

( Spencer_Shayy )
It's not homophobic to say this. Or if it is, I don't care. I blame gay men as much as straight people for this "trans" bullshit.

operaghost, spiderberries & rightnow #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

RE: Nonbinary woman mad that doctor won't chop her breasts off

( operaghost )
So before she decided she was trans, she had a history of anorexia and "compulsive exercise."

What if adopting a trans identity is just another sign of compulsive hatred toward her body, rather than some sort of innate identity that she just happened to only figure out about herself as an adult in her 30s?

( spiderberries )
Honestly I don’t understand how these NBs and TIFs live several decades and think they are totally unique in disliking their bodies and struggling to lose weight. That seems like a near universal experience for women, at least from what I’ve observed. Are they just utterly isolated from other females? Are they antisocial narcissistic main characters? I don’t know. I’m trying to find sense where there is none.

( rightnow )
The HAES/fat acceptance moment is so similar to the trans moment, it doesn't surprise me to see this overlap.

Both have origins in men's sexual fetishes.

Both are filled with the sheer entitlement that the world should suddenly change to accommodate them.

Both think they are entitled to people finding them attractive.

Both claim the science is settled, while being anti science and spreading falsehoods.

Both require people to deny common sense and what their own eyes tell them. "You can't tell someone is unhealthy just by looking at them!" is not that much different than "You can't tell tell someone's gender just by looking at them!

Both feed into delusion and mask underlying mental health conditions.

Both have a rapid activists that can't be reasoned with.

Both lead to bad health outcomes and early deaths. Although at least the HAES movement is against bariatric surgery, which as Exculantic states, typically leads to "predictable and nightmarish" outcomes. Unfortunately, the misinformation they spread about weight loss leads to it anyway.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia #homophobia ovarit.com

RE: Starting to have resentment for HSTS men for having a hand in creating a false image of TIMs

( pennygadget )
One thing radical feminism taught me is that gay men are not our friends just because they don't want to fuck us. They are complicit in female oppression and are often happy to rape us by proxy in the form of shit like surrogacy. Hell, in some ways they can be worse than straight men because they don't even have to pretend to like/respect us in order to get laid or have a relationship.

The stereotype of cute, cuddly gay men being the BFFs of women is a total lie

( Spencer_Shayy )
Yup. I've never met a gay man who wasn't a raging misogynist.

( littleowl12 )
I've met a few- but only a few. Enough that I default to be wary of gay men just as I do other men. There have been some lovely gay men in my life, but women are a better ally to gay men than gay men are to women.

( Architectura )
Yup. If it was up to gay men, pedophiles would be under the alphabet soup banner already. The only reason homosexuality is tolerated at all is because of the work that Lesbians did.

Also: you think it was gay men doing a majority of the labor during the AIDS crisis, caring for their own? Nope. Lesbians. Meanwhile gay men weren't even widely willing to close bathhouses and limit promiscuity. Now that PReP is a thing, STDs are starting to get out of control among gay men once again, because males as a species are disgusting hedonists.

( SwiftiePrincess )
There's two different flavors of HSTS; the first is the child eunuch like Kim Petras and Jazz Jennings who were castrated in their youth because mommy and daddy couldn't cope with having an effeminate son who'd most likely grow up to be gay. I pity them because they're essentially victims of the most grotesque kind of human rights violation, and transitioning wasn't really a choice for them.

The other kind is basically the self-hating gay man, most commonly found in the form of RPDR contestants. They have a burning jealousy towards bio women for being the primary objects of male desire, and see them as competition who they get off on the idea of "stealing" their boyfriends from. They peddle the most blatant male supremacy rhetoric, and don't even TRY to hide their misogyny, yet handmaidens can't stop falling over themselves to coddle them.

SummerGrl #transphobia ovarit.com

Deception is not kind
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Trans ideology is robbing women our identity and our ability to advocate for our own rights. Entitled privileged males are stealing that from us. And they're time-sucking all of our resources and energies that need to be put into helping girls and women. Instead, we have to waste it on these males. It's the ultimate grift by males.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( DonnaFemina )
Open athletic category scrapped - apparently trans athletes don't want to compete
We're genociding them and banning them from sports - oh so sad! - and yet, when we clearly and explicitly direct them to a whole-ass sports category especially for them, they... do not want to compete.

ARE WE SURPRISED? Turns out they just wanted to unfairly beat female athletes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/swimming-world-cups-open-category-171519316.html

( JACKANDJILL )
Always figured this is what would happen if you gave them their own category.

Their only interest in competing as "women" is to force people to pretend they're women.

( ActualTomboy )
Not just any women, but the best women!!

It’s fulfillment for their main character syndrome. A huge proportion of trans identifying people have this issue.

Plus they get to perv on real women and make them uncomfortable! That’s half the fun! Also, what misogynistic, entitled man doesn’t love putting women in their place? 🥰

( RusticTroglodyte )
I swear all tims have main character syndrome whereas it's not guaranteed in tifs since tifs reason for transitioning usually isn't pornsickness.

( Fluffy_gender )
I'm really shocked. All this time I thought that poor transwomen just wanted to play sports and the big bad TERFs were stopping them. Are you telling me it was never about the sports?

( Helena_Handbasket )
But...but... we don't want to feel 'othered' by being in our own category. The ONLY solution that works for us is to invade the women's category so we can feel like real wimmin and also -- bonus! -- see some of y'all nekkid and intimidated in the lockers. That gives us all the validation feelz we crave.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Exactly. Can't get that euphoria boner and fully immerse themselves in the Lady Cosplay without the women's locker room experience

( OneStarWolf )
Gee, not so exciting if they don’t get that validation and chance to perv in the locker rooms eh?

( camino_medio )
Won't date each other

Won't compete with each other

Won't use the bathroom with each other

I just can't understand why the BRAVEST, bestest and most stunningly living-your-truthiestness of all don't want to hang with each other... it's a riddle for the ages for sure!

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: “The Science is Settled” on Trans

( Dreamingsiren )
I really hate to admit this, but it’s this attitude that makes me increasingly skeptical of other mainstream scientific opinions and debate. If it’s not accepted that men can be women, what else is biased?

( rightnow )
I used to mock anti-vaxxers, but now I wonder if mothers in mass noticed that their children were suddenly different after getting certain vaccines, would their claims be taken seriously? Given how women are being ignored about the trans issues and mothers are being told ROGD isn't a thing, I would say the answer is no.

I'm not saying I'm anti-vaxx now, just that I understand the reasoning behind it.

( Moonflower )
I feel the same on this. The unfortunate reality is that our health authorities have chosen to stake their credibility on supporting “gender affirming healthcare” for minors and failed covid policies like school closures / masking / mRNA vaccines — and the result is that I no longer take it for granted that their judgement can be trusted on literally anything, including the old-school anti-vaxx shit. (And to be clear, this doesn’t mean I’m automatically against all vaccines or something; it just means I now need these people to show their fucking work in excruciating detail, including answering the concerns of everyone they felt entitled to dismiss as a quacks a decade ago.)

( tricky )
As awareness grows, TRAs are running out of comebacks and now are just aiming to shoot down all discussion. Like how you hear TIMs say "I'm a biological woman because I identify as a woman and I'm not a robot" and "I was assigned female at birth because female gender is innate in my head."

The way I see it, they're grasping at straws as they continue to lose every debate that relies on logic. Hopefully that means the TRA movement is on its last legs.

( a_shrub )
For me it came in the form of a big list of like 20+ Scientific™ associations who apparently all certify that "gender affirmation" is the best, more perfect cure for men's sad gender feelz in the whole universe, and who was little old me to ask anyone to throw out all that irrefutable Science™. My response was to ask if the dude wanted me to provide a similar long list of "prestigious" institutions that proclaimed Jesus is Lord.

Tired_of_this_BS #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: FLINTA! Female, Lesbian, Intersex, Non-binary, Trans & Agender! The newest woke acronym contributing to the destruction of female spaces!

I’m seriously, seriously considering joining the right.

I would rather keep the gender pay gap, suck up some chauvinism, keep the little boys club in Wall Street and in London banking if it means I don’t have to worry about vulnerable women being raped by male prisoners, don’t get shouted at for being a ‘sexual bigot’ because as a lesbian I don’t want to sleep with a TIM, watching children get sterilised and mutilated, worry about AGPs getting into roles that put them into positions of trust/ power with women eg intimate care.

I think the right might be the only political population to get us out of this.

cranberrysalad , GrendelsMother & Porange #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Looking back over the past 2 years, how has the sentiment of the general public where you live (excluding politicians) changed regarding transgender issues?

( cranberrysalad )
Already left a comment but want to add that I wonder if the quieting down is an effect of coming within a year of a president election in the US. This is a very divisive issue and it’s so crazy that it alienates a lot of people versus rallying a core base that would never vote the other way anyhow. Maybe that’s why it’s quiet.

Also, I do think there’s a small tidal shift against it but it’s not pro woman. More like “I won’t give my son hormones” or “get these perverts out of the bathrooms of my women/children” but not “women deserve respect!” because politically the people that say that in the US vote for the most infantile repressive policies toward women imaginable.

Trans days of visibility really help the peakening, because so many normies think of trans women as like Felicity Huffman in Transamerica, not the 300 lb furry with a beard and cat ears using the girls restroom in the children’s section of a public library. The more that the full spectrum of “trans” is introduced, from HSTS to spicy straights to AGP to heterosexual non brainaries to the bully kid whose mom tells the administration they can’t expel him for threatening girls because he’s sPeCiAl, the better. Peak the hell out of people by sharing the non-LGB rainbow.

( GrendelsMother )
It used to be wildly pro-trans, hooray for puberty blockers, etc. Now, it is… quiet. Mostly. A few very transy trans people, a few handmaidens, a few virtue signaling men, but the people in between just seem… quiet. The general enthusiasm for cheerleading has faded.

( cranberrysalad )
That’s what’s I think, too. The vocal cheerleading has stopped. I think the tide is turning. People went out and met actual trans people and went what the fuck these people are perverts or crazy or both. I’m noticing big shifts.

( Porange )
I thought it was just my circles/feed! I am in the 30s age group and in alt circles which we're very libfems leftist TRA. Many of them are quiet. I suspect it's because some of them started having kids but even ones that are 30+ with no kids are more mum besides the scared rituals of saying "they". The 20s people are still captured and perform pronoun rituals religiously.

unlearningtrans #transphobia ovarit.com

Trans has made me skeptical of therapy and psychiatry

Let’s be honest: Trans is one of the biggest medical abuse/neglect scandals that has ever happened. A huge part of it is tangled up in the therapy sector—which has had multiple scandals before, including the satanic panic. Another sector that’s pushing this nonsense is medicine, particularly pediatrics and psychiatry (along with gender surgeons). I respected psychotherapy and medicine so much more after I peaked. Now I’m just not so sure anymore. If a therapist is willing to affirm someone’s delusion they’re trans, how is such a profession to be trusted? The APA and AMA have all come out in support of Trans. Even the GC therapists in the GV movement i am skeptical of, because their solution to “gender dysphoria” is more pathology and psychiatric intervention, which I don’t think comes from a well-intentioned place but is profit-driven mostly. Almost all of the GC therapists and doctors believe in True Trans and align themselves with True Trans people like Buck Angel. They don’t seem pro-woman or pro-reality to me, I think a number of them are grifters who are doing an about face bc they know the tides will turn on their entire profession. There’s story after story out there about parents taking their kid to a therapist and the kid going down a path to medicalization.

lighthouse , Sheva & notsofreshfeeling #transphobia ovarit.com

( lighthouse )
Women's studies class making me lose hope
I'm a Women's Studies major. Had a lecture yesterday about "challenging the sex binary". Most of the class was centered around intersex people (surprise surprise), and basically using their existence to prove a point. This + gender ideology, and basically all the libfem nonsense we know so well, is the essence of the class. I'm afraid to speak up in lectures, and I think I'm gonna stop attending them because there's no participation grade and I've heard everything before.

I was excited to be learning this stuff in university. Now I think I might switch majors because I just can't take it anymore.

Also, the official name of the class went from just Women's Studies to "Gender, Sexuality and Women's Studies". Are those things not implied when learning about feminism? Why are people so afraid of centering women in a WOMEN'S STUDIES course? Am I being dramatic about this?

( Sheva )
Because women are being erased from the “women” part.

I went to a feminist meet up recently in the hopes I’d meet some fellow feminists and it was majority TIMs. And you know what the main topics of discussion centered around? TERFs. That’s right! Men, talking about women being pissed that men are hijacking feminism…

The only discussion about men and the patriarchy that was had that night was extremely brief and got pushed aside to talk more about how women are the problem by not accepting MEN as women.

I ended up making my excuses and leaving because FUCK THAT!

The people doing the majority of the speaking were TIMs and the actual women did nothing but clap and cheer them on.

I feel like I’m in some terrible “invasion the body snatchers” nightmare where slowly all things women are being replaced by all things men.

( notsofreshfeeling )
What is it that you want to do for a living that a Women's Studies program would be useful?

It's funny, I've sometimes fantasized about going back to college, just to take Women's Studies (or whatever they've bastardized it into), so that I could witness the peddling of gender ideology to the kiddos and offer them another perspective. Maybe even start a radical feminist club.

I'm certain there are others in that class who share your views, but who aren't speaking up.[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

If women accepted the label "cis," do you think TRAs would respect that boundary?

( Omina_Sentenziosa )
No.

They want to be called what we call ourselves. If we used cis, they would call themselves cis. If we called ourselves AFAB, they would call themselves AFAB. They are already doing it. If we invented a new term, they would use that.

They don' t want to be women per se, they want to be us, there' s nowhere we can run to. They' re like stalkers who refuse to leave their victims alone.

( Sheva )
I believe it doesn’t get used much because it’s more commonly used as an underhanded slur and usually on people TRA’s are attacking. I very rarely hear it used in a neutral way. It seems to me that cis is used much like the word mutt. With the same negative intent.

If women actually adopted the word it would eventually completely become a dirty word. The word game will never end. The language will change over and over and each time the words we use will become dirty words. Continually stripping women of their identities helps them push women below them.

Every time someone calls me cis I have a big desire to spit directly in their face. I am a woman. A REAL lesbian woman, not some cheap and tasteless imitation and I refuse to change how I identify or to accept men into those identities no matter how pissy it makes the TRA’s

( tacocat )
No. The entire point of queer theory is to "transcend" and violate boundaries. Any boundary we set immediately becomes their next goal to destroy.

( realityismykink )
Here's what I'm wondering: If TRAs succeed in cancelling every word that's used as a stand-in for "actual woman," wouldn't that leave "TERF" as the only word in their lexicon for "actual woman?" And if that were the case, how much time would it take for TIMs to start calling themselves TERFs?

( VestalVirgin )
Now that's an interesting question!

The problem with TERF is that it is a slur, so if you started a "terf only" toilet, they'd just invade it saying terfs are evil so they are justified, instead of declaring themselves terfs.

Their goal is to prevent women from talking amongst ourselves. Whether society considers them women and lets them into womens' spaces, or considers all women evil and therefore lets males in to control what the women are doing, matters little to them, I wager.

Sheva #transphobia ovarit.com

TRA’s have been skinning ALL women already. Skinning away their rights, their identities, their voices, their communities and so on. They will skin until almost all skin is gone and the only “acceptable” skin left will be the TRA foreskins dangling between their legs that they dub “girldicks”

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: “Just talk to trans people!” Unfortunately, I do.

( Radishe )
I've known a number of trans people in my life. Every single one of them had extreme mental health issues. I know the few I've known are a small representation of the whole, but the whole mindset of desperately needing the world to validate your delusion has to take its toll.

( RusticTroglodyte )
To be a trans identifying male, you have to be severely mentally ill and narcissistic. I have a double standard for women who transition and idgaf if it's unfair. Tifs transition for other reasons. A lot of them have PTSD, histories of childhood abuse, trauma, etc. They might have mental illness, but I don't think they're automatically narcs like I do with tims

( OwnLyingEyes )
Every other delusional disorder/dysphoria, the goal in treatment is to try to gently bring them back to reality. Not just because of the one delusion itself, which is quite possibly something small and seemingly harmless at the outset, but because the strain of maintaining it makes their mental health deteriorate more broadly as well. Because maintaining it tends to mean withdrawing from more and more of any aspect of reality that contradicts that belief. Why we don't treat gender dysphoria in line with what we know to be established practice in regards to other distorted perceptions seems sinister.

( mathlover )
I tell everyone to talk to lots of "trans" people. Enough to get to know them, till they start speaking unguardedly. Everyone who does this finds that:

(a) The TIMs are virtually all mentally unstable, viciously mysogynist, sexual predators, and drenched with the worst male socialization. People wind up realizing that TIMs should never be anywhere near women. Getting to know TIMs creates TERFs.

(b) The TIFs really are just fleeing womanhood like a house on fire. As obnoxious as some TIFs can be, people come away with some measure of pity for these (mostly) girls and young women.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Now define cisgender woman
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( OwnLyingEyes )
Within their stupid framework, which is the only place where "cisgender" exists, and using their own stupid terminology, it's actually even easier than in the real world to mark a clear line where 'woman' includes all women and excludes TIMs. An adult who was "assigned female at birth." That one doesn't even require having to weigh phenotype versus chromosomal makeup in the absence of gametes for people with the vanishingly rare DSDs where that actually gets complicated.

Then again these fuckos already know there's a difference which is why they continue to use separate words for the two. So let's make it even simpler for the porn-soaked pea brains: "cisgender women" are women, TIMs are men attempting to mimic women, almost always unsuccessfully. Women are the category you're trying and failing to imitate...and are trying to force your way into, including by making up bullshit terms like "cisgender" to attempt to qualify something that is actually definitive. Hope that clears things up; if not, can speak more slowly.

( shewolfoffrance )
The category of human whose body plan is organized around producing the large gamete.

But, really, the whole question of "what is a woman?" is a bit of a distraction. This isn't about people with DSDs, hormonal disorders, or birth defects being treated with respect and dignity. This is about allowing mentally disturbed, but physically typical men with fully functioning genitalia access to women and children, and the spaces and resources intended for them.

( Calidris )
They really think it's such a gotcha that there is no definition for women that also includes men that makes any sense lmao

Define chair but it has to be defined in such a way that it includes ALL chairs but also doesn't exclude any cat. Yeah duh it's difficult because cats are not chairs and chairs are not cats.

But here's some definitions: human beings who cannot be "transwomen". Adult humans who cannot be autogynephiles. How bout those Mr TIM?

( FemmeEtal )
All cisgender women are born women. All “transwomen” were born men. Easy.

GraceHoward1729 #transphobia ovarit.com

The crux of this fight is that a serious error was made & must now be unmade.

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I've always felt the same about facial feminisation surgery and breast implants on men. 99% of sexual offenders are men and 88% of victims of sexual offences are female.

Allowing a man to disguise their sex through not only legal documents but physical alterations that are approved and even covered by healthcare is egregious. It endangers us. It lags our reaction time, dulls our instincts.

Is women's safety important or is it more important that men be able to fondle bits of silicone they've had stitched on their pecs? (I already know the answer.)

For comparison, it's like if lions were given state-funded surgeries to look more like llamas, for no apparent reason. Awww cute little llama let me pet it- oh no my head's just been chewed off.

pennygadget #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans ideology is a misogynist's dream come true

The trans fad is a GIFT to leftie scrotes because they now have permission to unleash as much misogyny, violence, etc as they want as long as they direct it at a "TERF" (a term which gets broader each day) and/or as long as they themselves identify as some form of non-man

Its also a gift to misogynistic industries like medicine and tech because they now have yet another way to obscure the harms they do to females (and they can do it while claiming to be feminist and progressive)

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( MidnightMoon )
TIM destroys his family
In a magazine I was reading urgh this guy destroyed his whole family for this Trans nonsense.

https://imgur.com/a/M43H7ED

( Hermione )
This is why the spousal veto is so needed. No woman should have to fund this shit and no children should go with a penny less devoted to raising them for it.

I know in the UK some nitwit has proposed making refusing to fund one’s spouse’s transition be counted as “abuse”. FFS.

( GCRadFem )
The most horrifying thing to me about all of the TIMS is how they have changed laws, medicine, academia and the entirety of the internet that men that are literally simply cross-dressing transvestites (redundant, probably) have ensured that society as a whole now treat them as women when it is a fetish and paraphilia.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Male privilege in action.

( RawSienna )
There need to be legal protections for women and kids against these monstrous assholes.

( Spencer_Shayy )
There won't be, because the women and children these men abuse are "bigots" and the violent, misogynistic, manipulative, abusive men are "poor victims" who "struggle" with their "gender identity". "Transwomen" are the worst fucking subset of men.

( LesbianLioness )
seems like he's doing it in the most devastating way possible for his family as well, like he's trying to punish his ex-wife for getting in the way of his fetish

( hufflepuff_queen )
I got the vibe that he was trying to punish her, too.

( TheKnitta )
Jealousy seems to drive a lot of AGPs.

( Vasilisa )
It’s interesting that his parents said he had a cross-dressing tendency since he was a child. Very early evidence of AGP, I presume. I hope this woman’s son doesn’t inherit that. I forget where I read that there is a strong genetic component in sexual fetishes.

( Spencer_Shayy )
I don't believe that claim at all. "Trans" people are notorious for lying about their childhoods and personal histories to prop up their creepy made-up "gender identity", you know, in addition to lying about who and what they are.

Women1st, goodyusername & crodish #transphobia ovarit.com

The Statistic No One's Allowed To Study

( Women1st )
The data needs to be aggregated to show who identified as trans prior to charges and who did after. It will not perfectly reflect total trans population of sex offenders, but it would show a more accurate percent of trans and those gaming the system.

Either way, the numbers show that a higher rate of sex offenders claim they are trans. That in and of itself should prevent this group from housing in women’s facilities, regardless of identity and timing of said identity.

( goodyusername )
Why bother? Whether you believe there is a difference between "trans" vs "those gaming the system", It doesn't matter. They're all men. They don't belong in women's spaces.

( Women1st )
Totally agree that no man belongs. But the TRAs will argue all of these men are faking to game the system. It would be nice to have a cleaner stat to show the TRA (especially the handmaidens) that, yes, TIMs do commit VAWG, despite their identity claims. Just to show them that maleness does not go away- so NO men should have access to women’s spaces.

( crodish )

But the TRAs will argue all of these men are faking to game the system.

I love that TRAs will have enough logic to concede this when crime stats make them look bad but not to idk their gaming of everything else

itsnotaboutewe #transphobia ovarit.com

Today I Will Be Kind

This is for all the trans identifying males who lurk here looking for hate. We may joke about you and ridicule you but today I am going to be as kind as I possibly can be to you. Please take my words in the spirit they are given - as a kindness.

Nobody sees transwomen as women, not even other transwomen. When you ask people on trans forums whether you pass or not, they generally lie. They may lie because they do not pass themselves and they would like someone to tell them that they do, so they pay it forward in hopes that you will do the same for them one day. And you probably already have. They think lying to you is kind. Lying is never kind, even when the truth is painful and harsh.

Trans-ally women don't see you as women. When they fawn over you and call you "girlfriend" they are having a lend of you, even if it's done so semi-consciously. They get kindness points and at the same time get to feel deliciously smug at how they made a fool of you. They are treating you like the ugliest girl in school by dressing you up in outrageous makeup and making you think you're pretty, but they are laughing up their sleeves. If you were a woman you would know that, but you're not a woman so you don't see it. These women are not kind.

GC women and men definitely don't see you as women. We also don't see you as ordinary men because we see you as either mentally ill, dangerous predators, disgusting fetishists, woman-hating deviants, or just plain liars. You are walking, talking red flags. We shield our children from you as we would from any other danger. We don't hate you on a personal level because we don't know you, but we know you are a danger because of the mental illness, self-delusion, or open hatred of women that you publicly display when you wear our skin. Are we transphobic? If being transphobic means we fear you - then yes, but we do not hate you or deny your existence. You have destroyed our rights as women so we have every reason to dislike you intensely as a political and ideological group, but not as individuals unless we have had a personal run-in with you.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

TRAs provide a genuine rebuttal to JKR instead of just spreading propoganda challenge

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( TisTheSeason )
There's literal porn out there of these freaks in female washrooms now. They're the one acing like the image, pure projection.

( shewolfoffrance )
Exactly. The meme is backwards. Women aren't peeping under bathroom stalls. Men are whipping their dicks out in women's spaces.

( shewolfoffrance )
I've said it before, but "genital inspections" are 100% a lurid TRA fantasy, especially as it pertains to girls' sports. Boys who started identifying as girls in in adolescence would already known to staff and students--not to mention, immediately visible. Younger boys who were coached by their parents likely wouldn't be able to keep it secret. And honestly, their parents probably wouldn't want to, since "trans kids" are such a fashionable trophy right now.

( Carrots90 )
All we need is reliable ID

And for the liars, a cheek swab

( DonnaFemina )
Also let's remember that the only reason that doubts about sex can't be resolved in 1 second by showing your ID is that trans people insist that it's a human right for them to get official government ID that falsely states which sex you are.

( Itzpapalotl )
Yep. I’ve just commented before that it’s incredibly stupid for TRA’s to pretend humans are indistinguishable aside from genitals.

We are a sexually dimorphic species and despite a man’s best efforts to “pass” (aka deceive everyone around him with a stereotypical disguise) it is almost always very clear that he is male. Sex recognition is hardwired in humans (and other animals), even more so in females, whose survival depends on it.

Males and females have distinct physiology, morons, and your word games, transparently fake pretence otherwise, and false virtue signalling will never change that reality. Deal with it.

( pennygadget )
How do these morons think we kept female spaces before genderwoo? Nobody is asking for genital inspections except them!

( crodish )
We wouldn't need to check if you fuck heads didn't lie.

And even if you do lie, we still don't need to check because 99% of the time it's fucking obvious. Sex is in every cell of your body and sexual dimorphism shows in areas that aren't the genitals.

itsnotaboutewe #transphobia ovarit.com

I'm Done With Reasoning and Explaining To People

This has been a long fight for me. It's been at least a decade since I began warning about the inevitable consequences of transgenderism if it was allowed to escape the sordid realm of fetish and become mainstream. There is no way anyone in the western world has not come across it and its negative consequences by now. Anyone defending it today can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. This is a pernicious, woman-hating cult that needs to be destroyed and put in a museum of very bad social experiments.

If people 50 years in the past, or even 50 years in the future, could look at what this cult has made people believe today, they would be horrified.

That being born female is a deformity that needs surgical correction. That little girls should hate their bodies. That women and girls do not deserve privacy or dignity. That women are inherently evil if they demand bodily autonomy. That women should not have their own women-only sports and pastimes. That women do not deserve female-only spaces. That women are unfairly shielding children from the joys of sex. That teenaged girls should have their breasts cut off. That any woman pushing to regain the rights she used to have is a witch. That in every sphere of life, women should not have any boundaries to keep them safe from men.

I repeat, this is a woman-hating cult. It has captured governments and society in general, and over half of the population is being robbed of rights so that what was once a secret men's fetish can flourish in public. Women and children are being sacrificed for a small number of men with certain sexual proclivities.

I'm done explaining and reasoning with people who already have the facts in front of them but that just do not care about women and girls. I'm done arguing with men on the internet knowing they are stroking their cocks every time I get angry or emotional over this. I'm done with the women who are willingly throwing my rights, and the rights of every girl and woman to come after them, away like garbage. I'm done.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: “You can be straight and still be attracted to trans women because trans women are real women and saying otherwise is transphobic”

( HelenaHandbasket )
Say it louder for Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint, hon!!

(And all of the other male "allies in the streets and trfs in the sheets".....)

( CeruleanPisces )
Men who chant TWAW are only doing so because they feel gross after they’ve jerked off to TIM porn and this lets them pretend it’s not gay

( Genevieve )
A straight man might see this guy and think he's a woman, therefore he might be attracted. He doesn't look ugly in videos.

However, men will also be attracted to a freshly baked apple pie or a sock, so that's not saying much about whether they believe you're a woman.

Knowing this guy is trans and still being attracted to him makes the man gay or bisexual, no in-between. The man isn't heterosexual if he's still sexually attracted to you when he finds out you're male.

( a_shrub )

However, men will also be attracted to a freshly baked apple pie or a sock, so that's not saying much about whether they believe you're a woman

So what I figure their strategy should've really been to maintain their gold star heterosexuality is declare anything and everything they've put their dick into as being a woman. Chicken sandwhich they fucked? Also a woman. Vacuum cleaner? Woman! This is a foolproof method of never doing anything gay, ever! You're welcome, dudes!

( GCRadFem )
Chastising heterosexuals for their sexual orientation in his man voice.

They will never be able to wholesale force anyone to have sex with them by attempting to shame a person’s sexual orientation.

“Real women” which TIMS are not and never will be.

( Lilith-Fair )
I don't really care. I hope he continues to harass men so men can get a tiny dose of what women have had to put up with so they might finally wake the fuck up and get with the program to put a stop to this.

( Persimmon64 )
Oh look, a man pretending to be a woman trying to coerce straight men into having sex with him because he's incredibly homophobic, narcissistic, and wants to have lots of sex. In order to "attract" these straight men he's had to chop up his face, alter his body, and slather himself in makeup in order to disguise who he truly is.

Doesn't matter how many "straight" men are attracted to you, you're still a man, Rose, and always will be.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: I'm Done With Reasoning and Explaining To People

( shewolfoffrance )
After the recent decision about TiMs in women's chess, I don't even care about justifying female-only spaces anymore. We should have female-only spaces because we want them. End of story.

( kin_kkum )
Yeah I had to block a friend of two years who claims to be a moderate on this and is seeing all the harms of trans ideology, agrees that it's caused a lot of harm, yet still chooses to believe in it. I tried to get her to see that it's the core belief that's the problem, wrote multiple essay-long texts, even went into the origins of gender ideology. Yet she still claimed she chooses to believe it because she wants to be "compassionate." It eventually got to a point where she basically admitted that she believes in it because she "wants to have a comfortable life" which is just selfishness, not compassion. She also knows I'm a victim of men in women's spaces, and yet, when I repeated my story to her and tried to relay why I felt dehumanized, she just doubled down and didn't seem to really sympathize. So I just blocked without a word.

( GCRadFem )
Justifying and explaining only gives them a chance to come up with another bogus excuse or rationale. Explaining is a trap. It is an exercise in futility. There is nothing that a man loves more than pontificating.

We want women-only spaces because we are women and men aren’t women.

Period. End of sentence.

( Unicorn )
Thank you for sharing; your words are powerful.

I understand the frustration of constantly having to repeat such points. This is why I made kindrad.org — I was tired of seeing women have to constantly rehash how the trans movement is harmful to humanity, especially to womankind.

DietCokeAddict & Women1st #transphobia ovarit.com

How to Spot TERF Ideology

( DietCokeAddict )
Lol in particular at the Talking In Person page “the unique danger of terf rhetoric is that it is styled to sound like feminism” no, the “danger” is that it makes far more sense than gender ideology.

And they end with “well, if your TRA arguments don’t convince them, just tell them they’re far right nazis, that should work”

( Women1st )
Holy shit, it is a cult. Who the hell has a pamphlet that provides step by step instructions for conversion?

Usually the group in power labels minority groups. How do you explain calling women “cis,” “cis woman,” “terf,” etc?

The reason you are called TIMs is bc we are NEVER going to accept your appropriation of womanhood. You will ALWAYS be a man. It’s the best way to describe your self-identification and your biological sex.

Persimmon64 #transphobia #homophobia ovarit.com

RE: A transcript of an argument I saw on Twitter between a libfem 'owning' a radfem on being cisgender. Who do you ladies think won the argument?

Being cisgender does not mean you can't be gender non-conforming.

Being gender non-conforming means you don't fall in line with the stereotypical behaviors or appearances typical of your sex. How is this different than being "trans"? What makes a "trans" person different from a "GNC" person? Neither act like a "typical" person of their sex. Neither wish to act or appear as a stereotype of their sex.

If you think sex-based oppression 'just exists' and isn't a social construction, then it would be impossible for a society to exist without it.

This is a nonsensical statement. The radfem is saying sex-based oppression is not a social construct and exists with our without society. Why would it be impossible for society to exist without something that is not a social construct? Wheels aren't a social construct. Is it also impossible for society to exist without wheels?

Why does violent homophobia against gay men exist?

Gay men are insulted, attacked, and killed because their actions are viewed as gross and sinful. Gay men are equal in strength to other men and have had the same rights in all areas of life, even marriage rights. They had the same right to marry a woman as every other man had and many have done so. Being insulted and laughed at, even beat up for your actions is not oppression. That happens to anyone who is viewed as weird, of a lower class, or sinful.

[...]

Having graduate degrees in sociology is what makes you a sociologist

Are you saying that an identity like "sociologist" actually corresponds to a material reality with characteristics and qualifications? What if I identify as a sociologist? Why isn't that viable and accepted but identifying as a woman is? Aren't degrees social constructs as well?. Much more so than being a woman is

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: California State Assembly passed a bill allowing parents to lose custody of their children if they refuse to accept their child’s gender transition (Video) |

( legopants )
I couldn't imagine losing my child all because I refused to let them become a medical experiment of billionaires and perverted men. There are actual child abuse and neglect cases that go ignored and the child suffers severely or even dies. But sure, let's rip children out of perfectly good homes because they want to play pretend past recess.

( feministdna )
Yep

Why is ACTUAL child abuse ignored and so, so prevalent, and no one seems to care? But the Trans movement has got the general population on a witch hunt against mothers who are trying to protect their kids

( Clarus )
Definitely part of the trans-medical complex attempt to gain more control over children and to make lifelong patients out of them. The real answer should be to help children feel good in their current gender without needing thousands of dollars of surgeries. They're pushing hyper-consumerism on children.

( syntaxerror )
Wait, can someone explain to me what happens to the kids when they’re removed from custody? Are the put into the foster care system? Is it temporary? Permanent? These articles never seem to go into much detail. I don’t understand how that would even work.

( pennygadget )
That worries me as well. Are they specifically placed with some "queer glitter family" who will affirm everything they want? In some LGBTQAI2SWTF+ Group Home with other delusional gender-special children? How does this work?

( sojourner_truth_ )
Best case scenario it will be some Handmaiden who signs off on all the butchery and drugs. Other options include that handmaiden plus her polycule of stunning and brave who molest the kid, pimp the kid out, etc... or a group home where rape is guaranteed by staff and/or other residents.

( Carrots90 )
They really are coming for the children

Will this just apply to make custody cases that much worse?

Or will it be used to feed kids to the foster care system?

The thing that is only supposed to be for worst case scenario’s because it makes kids that much more vulnerable to exploitation

Oh, and you get paid more if the foster kid is gender special

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Yeah, your fellow TIMs lobbied to get it banned

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( SlowCollapse )
The alternative treatment is what humanity has done for millennia:

- No internet porn.
- No social media, smartphones, or other exposure to toxic activism.
- Preserve the innocence of childhood. Don't sexualise kids.
- Allow puberty to happen normally.
- Make your life about your achievements, not your identity.
But just suggesting that would be 'hateful evil conversion therapy' these days...

( Unicorn )
TRAs demonized this type of "alternative treatment" as "conversion therapy" and threatened to revoke therapist's licenses for trying to encourage people to be okay with the sex they were born with. Good job reinventing the wheel, I guess.

( natkomer123 )
This is the biggest issue with combining the LGB with the T. Conversion therapy for LGB people is a horrible thing because being gay does not harm anyone. But T people are looking to take harmful hormones, remove healthy organs, and cut their genitals/breast off - these are people who need psychiatric help. But because we've combined LGBT, when we banned conversion therapy it had to include the T too.

( danaseilhan )
Somebody needs to remind the T's that WoMeN cAn HaVe PeNiSeS. It cannot possibly be "conversion therapy" to put a stop to gender surgeries and gender drugs, because supposedly you do not have to transition to be trans. They need to pick one or the other and quit moving the goalposts.

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
For gender (anatomic sex) dysphoric children/adolescents, that is. I doubt there will ever be effective treatment for AGPs unless they stop chasing their addictive fetish.

( Persimmon64 )
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a way to treat sexual perversions. I don't think there's a known "cure" for pedophilia or sex offenders either. I suggest castration for all of them.

( a_shrubf )
Quick, get the holy trans anointing oil, there's some evil internalized transmisogyny to cast out with gender affirmation chants!!

( Persimmon64 )
They have found something that can be done for dysphoria instead of transitioning and it actually works quite well. These people just don't want that. They'd rather continue to indulge in their delusions than try to be comfortable in their own bodies.

legopants , bluff & Persimmon64 #transphobia ovarit.com

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( legopants )
so pathetic. I actually got such bad secondhand embarrassment reading that. "They're trying to kill us :'''(" "I don't wanna die :'(((" get tf over yourself, dude. Your chances of actually being murdered go up MASSIVELY if you were a woman. You're falling to pieces and having a mental breakdown because some fake words that are entirely a lie that you read on a screen scare you? You'll never know how it feels to walk alone at night. Do you really think you could handle being a woman and what we deal with when you're cry typing and terrified over literally NOTHING? I don't think it's the blissful escape you've so deluded yourself to think. what a prick.

ETA: notice how he's fine with women having our rights taken away but not trans people. literally says it flat out. "i dont want my rights being taken away because I'm trans" followed by "being allowed to be a girl and have my rights taken away . I would mind much less"

I don't care how young this dude is he has no sympathy from me. That is such disgusting behavior and comments to make and shows his already porn rotting brain. Humanity is doomed.

( bluff )
Agreed. Cat's out of the bag with porn and I don't believe men will ever change. Sometimes I wish our planet would just get nuked already, the future is bleak when considering his sex class controls the world.

I don't like to hate people but I hate these people so much. We are just a fetish to them, not people who deserve dignity and rights. He even says it'd be better to be killed as a "girl." I hope he drowns.

( Persimmon64 )
"tehrye making it illegal to be ourselves"

They're making it illegal to violate same sex spaces and categories, lie about your sex, and give cosmetic surgeries and harmful drugs to minors.

No one needs drugs and surgery to "be themselves." If anything, they're making it "harder" for you to pass yourself off as something you're not. In other words, they're actually just requiring and encouraging you to "be yourself"

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

A beginner's guide to TiMs

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( sylviasmushrooms )
Oh God. I’ve met every single one of these, many times. Every single TIM I’ve ever met IRL fits so neatly into one of these categories that it’s eerie, even the specific parts hit like 85%!

( Persimmon64 )
I'd add one more HSTS category - the effeminate gay boy who "realized" he's a woman as a teen/young adult after he discovered most guys didn't want to screw him and found the idea of it repulsive. He also has had extensive plastic surgery and tries to "pass" the best he can so he can keep his sex secret from his dates or hookups. He gets off on the idea of stealing men from real women and the idea that the straight guys that found him gross before are now "attracted" to him. Has hatred and contempt for women due to jealousy and other gay men due to his own internalized homophobia.

( Sameseks )
So that Kelly Cadigan on Twitter who literally made a video admitting that he realized he was gay in his youth and didn’t like it

Now spends time being overtly homophobic towards other gay men

It’s just depressing

( m0RT_ )
UGH, i hate the fact that I can now recognize these types easily now.

I was blissfully ignoring these damn pathetic kinks until they started coming for women's sexed based rights and I peaked. Can't wait for this to be sorted out in the law so I can go back to completely ignoring what happens in their grotty bedrooms.

( OneStarWolf )
It’s missing all the delusional and naive TIFs that will handmaiden hard for these men, all while slowly crippling and killing themselves with excess T.

sodonewiththis , shveya & somegenerichandle #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: AFAB is now a TERF dogwhistle. Now what ?

( sodonewiththis )
Hahaha! So funny. I’ve already seen this use of AFAB in the wild among my children’s friends

They’ve all been raised to use pronouns and gender terminology religiously. And they are all incredibly pro-trans. Which is frankly understandable given how many trans kids they know — really nice kids too, who I desperately hope don’t grow up to suffer from serious medical issues.

But somehow even these incredibly pro-trans kids always end up needing a word to describe … well … you know … women.

For example, no right thinking Gen Z teenage girl would ever say she don’t want a trans woman gynecologist. But they will explain to you that “it’s uncomfortable to deal with AMABs in certain situations” so “I kind of feel like I’d rather have an AFAB gynecologist.”

Recently I overheard a conversation between several preteens about the bathrooms issue. And — I kid you not — they solemnly agreed that the “fair” solution to bathrooms would be to just get rid of “girls” and “boys” bathrooms and have “an AFAB bathroom, andAMAB bathroom, and a Unisex bathroom.”

I’m sure they aren’t the only Gen Z kids to come up with this solution. And no doubt that’s why the TRAs are now decreeing that AFAB is a transphobic term — even though they are the ones who forced it on us in the first place.

As someone who has dutifully read my De Mann, I can’t help but observe that it certainly seems like some words do represent a priori categories that are pre-existent to language and culture. And when we outlaw those words people seem to be quite ingenious at finding new words to signify those categories!

( shveya )
These guys are so authoritarian. Even when women obey them, it's not good enough. They have the right (in their minds) to tell us what to call ourselves, but heaven forbid we aren't 100%subservient towards their pornified whims.

This is why I'll always tell libfems that there's no point in caping for them. You're a woman, so nothing you could do to please them will ever be enough.

( somegenerichandle )
Yeah, i agree. I've seen TIFs unironically make statements about AFAB when they want to talk about sex, not gender. And i definitely think they will rebrand it. This whole issue has made women constantly modify their language, such as women born womyn.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: AFAB is now a TERF dogwhistle. Now what ?

( heremirore )
The goal here is to stop women from referencing sex.

( ItsCalculated )
This. They want to punish speech and thought crime. They want control.

They want to erase the line between us because it invalidates them. That line, however, is immutable. Sex is immutable. They may as well try to erase gravity or time.

( songoftheworms )
Yep! TRAs are existentially threatened by women's development of class consciousness.

( kin_kkum )
They don't want "AFAB" to be replaced by anything. They simply do not want women to have any terms to refer to ourselves at all. They don't want women having the right to exclude men, not even in language. They don't want to acknowledge that women exist as our own class. They want to dominate us in every arena of our lives, including our own thoughts and language. I predict that even the more offensive terms like "menstruators" "birthing people" etc will also become "TERF dogwhistles" to them because as degrading they might be to us, they still reference a biological reality that only women experience. They are seeking a reality where we cannot discuss anything about ourselves that doesn't include them. The only way out is for this bizarre ideology to end.

( shewolfoffrance )
The euphemism treadmill will go on. They don't want women to have the language to talk about themselves as a class. But, they'll inevitably invent some new, degrading, nonsensical term to refer to the category of human beings they envy, and can never be. And the cycle will begin anew because they simply can't not talk about women.

( PlainSimpleTailor )
Yep. AFAB/AMAB was a loophole to justify trans identities and gender while still vaguely gesturing at the notion of biological sex. Therefore they could always claim that people criticizing gender ideology were just "confusing sex and gender, which are two totally different things". Now they've ran into tons of problems with that, so they want to eradicate any reference to biological sex.

( mathlover )
They don't like it because they think it is a sneaky way to refer to sex that is "transphobic". Eg: lesbians who specify AFAB only on dating apps now get banned for being "transphobes" because AFAB excludes the larping men.

( Dee )
We are living through a dystopian hell hole and few people realize it. What else is new?

Itzpapalotl , DJKTRON & Unicorn #transphobia ovarit.com

Serious ignorance vibes
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( Itzpapalotl )
1. If I had kids I would teach them that biology is immutable but that doesn't have any bearing on hobbies, interests, abilities or personalities...so no, I wouldn’t have a “trans” kid, because there’s no such thing. I also wouldn't have a “queer” kid, my kid would be either gay/lesbian, straight or bisexual - all of which are fine, natural and healthy.

2. “HRT” is to aid women going through menopause, NOT for deluded males. Cross sex hormones are highly experimental, and for anyone with a working brain it should be very obvious that pumping a healthy body full of entirely unnecessary chemicals/artificial hormones is a bad idea.

3. Most people would rather have a bad tattoo that a vastly decreased lifespan, osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy, increased chance of cancer, sterilisation and/or butchered genitals and destroyed sexual function...

4. “Gender” is not biological. Sex is biological and immutable. Single sex spaces for women need to be enforced because men are an inherent threat to us (as proven globally, historically and statistically) regardless of what they wear or believe themselves to be.

Yet again, mind boggling stupidity from dimwitted TRAs.

( DJKTRON )
(1) Since trans is real, when scientists develop a genetic test for it, will they support selective abortion of "trans" fetuses? Or will they support forced birth in that scenario?

(2) So is bloodletting. Are we supposed to bring shit back because it's old? That's the opposite of progress, but the rest of their ideas are also regressive so it makes sense.

(3) It's called the "sunk cost fallacy."

(4) If gender is real, why are they demanding the police state enforce it? GCs want biological sex, which is a material reality, recognized by law. No one needs to enforce reality, but they do need to force us to all play along with their fantasies.

( Unicorn )
Gender is not biological. It is social constructs based on sex-based stereotypes. Sex is biological.

If gender is innate, why does it need a police state to enforce punishing gender critical people for wrongthink?

BondiBlue #transphobia ovarit.com

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- There is no such thing as a “trans or q~eer child.” There are kids who don’t fit into stereotypes. Some turn out to be gay or lesbian. Some are heterosexual, just nonconformist. But a “trans or q~eer child” is either a failure of parenting or a child being groomed by “q~eer” ideologues. The word, when used as a verb, means to deliberately render something or someone FUBAR as a radical and intentionally destructive political act. As a slur against gays and lesbians, it has only been “reclaimed” by sexual deviants looking to normalize the unthinkable, ride the coattails of normal LGBs’ hard-fought acceptance into mainstream society, and “drag” children along with it. If you are of the mentality that a “trans or q~eer child” is something that 1) exists and 2) is to be celebrated, please do not have kids. Most likely you should be under a restraining order barring you from contact or interaction with them.

- HRT was never meant to be used in wrong-sex applications. It is not only experimental, it is harmful quackery predicated upon the validity of woke medicine, and it should be outlawed for these deceptive and destructive purposes. These powerful drugs are used in serious applications such as for cancer patients, to treat symptoms of menopause, or to chemically castrate sex offenders. It is a “treatment” for something (gender nonconformism) that is not an illness. It was used in the conversion therapy of the brilliant gay scientist Alan Turing, who committed suicide rather than be rendered a eunuch. HRT prescribed under these applications is barbaric.

- Tattoos are elective body modification. No one ever argues that not getting a tattoo will cause someone to commit suicide or that tattoos are “life affirming care.” It is also not legal to get them under the age of 18, while gender butchery is being done to minors, again under the guise that it is “healthcare” rather than unethical cosmetic surgery. Tattooing is not covered by health insurance, and no one is being punished for not “affirming” someone as a zebra if he or she wishes to have full-body zebra stripes tattooed. But we see your obvious dig at JKR for calling this BS out. It’s tiresome and nobody believes it anymore.

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various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( NO )
I honestly hate the TQ.

They're homophobic, misogynistic, absolutly terrible people.

Stop involving me in your fetish.

Stop forcing me to be around you in private spaces.

Stop telling me my sexuality is bad

Stop telling me I'm wrong

Stop forcing me to follow your religion.

You guys are just bigoted religious zealots.

( Feminist_strength )
I hate to generalize, but I agree with you. I’ve been around many “queer” people, and literally none of them are mentally stable. They have a superiority complex. And most of them are creepy. Anyone who identifies as trans provokes an instant “ick” in my gut.

( Tanana )
The TQ are parasites to the LGB. I just want to have nothing to do with those clowns.

( Spinstaa )
Just ridiculous! Where are all the so called allies talking about this?! Oh, right ! They only care about “queer” people. Who most are heterosexual.

I think it’s wild in my lifetime, I’ve seen same sex marriage legalized and those relationships being seen as a normal thing. To now. Where we can hate same sex attracted people, as long as we SAY we support the queer community (mostly heterosexual community)

DJKTRON , Sonnet & opreroma #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Follow the money- the strong link with trans ideology and pedophilia

( DJKTRON )
There's a money link and an obvious intellectual link. I've found it glaringly obvious from pretty much the get go that this was a bridge to normalizing and legalizing pedophilia. It's a short walk from "children can consent gender transition" to "children can consent to sex with adults." This is not a coincidence; it's the entire point.

( Sonnet )
“No kids are getting surgeries, that’s transphobic right-wing fear mongering.”

“A tiny number of kids are getting surgeries but they are a rare and life-saving intervention.”

“What right do you have to tell someone else’s child what to do with their bodies? Mind your own business. Teenage girls already get breast reductions and augmentations, so what? These are medically valid surgeries, otherwise doctors wouldn’t do them.”

< —— YOU ARE HERE

“You think a child old enough to decide about having her breasts removed is too young to consent to showing her breasts to an adult? Kids know who they are. Clutch your pearls harder. Right-wing purity culture. Sexist shame about women’s bodies. ~Won’t somebody think of the children.~”

( opreroma )
This is such a good point. A while back, I asked someone, "If children can't consent to sexual intercourse, then why can they consent to sexual reassignment surgery?" They danced around the subject, after which I felt very numb. Because I realized that was the point all along.

( DJKTRON )
Yea, they danced around because the reality is they do think children can consent. This is one of the resultant horrors of having a culture that says any sexual activity is acceptable as long as the participants consent. That proposition is obviously not true because that would make necrophilia, statutory rape, adultery, and incest morally acceptable sexual activity. Somehow the idea that there's more to sex than consent is now deemed puritanical religious extremism.

ETA: the specific sophistry/error is that they are confusing a necessary condition for a sufficient condition. Consent is a necessary condition, but not a sufficient condition. This is why some people intuitively know that incest, etc. is wrong, but they struggle to articulate why it's still wrong if the participants consent.

knitsandhooks #transphobia ovarit.com

Canada warns '2SLGBTQI+' residents about traveling to US

Um, shouldn't it be the other way around? The US government needs to be warning American gays that if they travel to Canada they might be expected to undergo conversion therapy to sterilize them and remove their sex organs, and may even encounter giant crowds of angry blue-haired Canadian homophobes screaming at them that their sexuality is offensive to straight people.

Sonnet, Calidris & TheKnitta #transphobia ovarit.com

Even 10 year olds know you're a man
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( Sonnet )
He’s a man. But if I found out my kids were filming themselves singling-out and humiliating strangers at the fair like a roving pack of discount bullies, I would blast them into space.

( Calidris )
I'd have zero problems if my kids humiliated a man who's wearing their reality as a sex costume. I'd say the same about someone walking around in blackface. They deserve to be humiliated because they started it by including us in their perverted sex fetish.

( Calidris )
Ooof yeah. That is very very obviously just a man. He's the kind of TIM where I wouldn't even have known he's trying to "pass" as anything. I'd just have thought it's a kind of fruity dude.

I like that the young kids can instinctively tell there's something very wrong about a dude dressing up in women's clothing. There's a reason that before "trans" took off as a state religion, crossdressers were usually represented as deeply messed up, creepy and sometimes extremely violent men like buffalo bill.

( TheKnitta )
Oh no, genocided by children! They should all be sent to re-education to worship men in dresses, and be taught to never laugh at the obvious flat-footed clowns for parading their fetish in public and thinking they can get away with it.

Grow up, sir. You know full well you went to the fair dressed like a woman for attention, because performing your fetish in public gets you off. If you can’t handle kids laughing at you for being obvious, don’t do what they’re laughing at you for.

He probably still loved the attention, though.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Where do you stand?
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( Triselly )
I appreciate this comment may be removed, but what's the number for barely considering these monsters to be human anymore?

They are broken males who have forfeited their souls to their libidos.

( Lemonade_Masquerade )
Yeah, I keep it tamer on this site but I genuinely hate men who call themselves women. 10-15 years ago I was ignorant to how many there were, so I was mostly apathetic to them. They seemed like one of many breeds of sexist men, but a low priority issue. I consider that a mistake on my part. Now that I know they are actively trying to erode women's rights and teach children to hate their bodies and sterilize themselves, as well as co opting the LGB movement for themselves and their homophobic ends, I will not ignore them or underestimate them again. I may call them men here, but that's only because my preferred words are banned on this site. They've shot up my shit list ahead of incels/PUAs, male politicians, and "good christian" men in record time.

No concessions. No compromise. No "good" trans who gets a free pass for acknowledging sex. No men in women's spaces. Full stop.

( Chronicity )
I’m a 8.

TW are disturbed men who have been brainwashed into psychologically, chemically and physically harming themselves. Validating their identities is an assault on feminism when it requires us to pretend men can know what it feels like to be a woman.

( hard_headed_woman )
I'm a 10.

TW are men, who belong in the category of males for every aspect of their lives. I fight to rid the world of men larping as women on official documents like drivers' licenses and passports. I reject the claim that men know what it "feels" like to be a woman. I reject all medical interventions for any person under the age of 25, and do not believe that governments or insurance companies should pay for transgender cosmetic services and surgeries.

( unlearningtrans )
I think transgender medicine should be banned for anyone but agree that under 25 is a good place to start.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Over half of transgender prisoners in Wisconsin are sex offenders

( itsnotaboutewe )
They have a choice. Either

1. Transgender identifying males are far more likely to be sexual offenders than the normal male prison population, or

2. Men who are not transgender are pretending to be trans just to invade women's spaces.

They have to choose one of those two explanations. If trans identifying males are more likely to be sex offenders than ordinary men, there is even more of a need for them to be kept out of all female spaces. If some men are falsely claiming to be trans in order to infiltrate female spaces, and there is no test to prove if they are really trans or not, then all males regardless of how they identify need to be kept out of female spaces. Simple.

( pennygadget )
Honestly, I'm surprised the number is that low

( MissBehaved )
They're just the ones who got convicted for that. Given the extremely low rate of rape convictions, we can safely assume the number is higher (and for other men too of course).

( OneStarWolf )
This. These were the very few trans id men that were actually caught AND convicted of a sex crime. The real number is probably much higher since we know the vast majority of these sex based offenders either never get caught/not reported or are not convicted.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if TiMs have a 70+ percent sex crime rate. The FBI has known for years that transsexualism was a common comorbidity and paraphilia with pedos, rapists, and serial killers that target women. There are so many creepy fucking men out there and it seems they’re all catching on to the trans cheat.

( Mandy )
So the question is, are they sex offenders because they're transwomen, or did they become transwomen when they were convicted of sex offenses?

( RusticTroglodyte )
Since a requirement to being a tim is to be pornsick, (at least the majority, who transition as adults. The ones who transition in childhood are denied a sex life due to puberty blockers) and pornsick men need to keep escalating, coupled with the fact that trans identified men are entitled and think they can do whatever they want, all the time, I'd say they're sex offenders bc they're trans

Just my unscientific opinion