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various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( MaryDyer )
This is the chance to peak people, ladies
Very simple:

You: “I can just see Donald Trump declaring he’s a woman and being moved to a women’s prison if he’s convicted.”

Them: “What? They wouldn’t move a man to a women’s prison.”

You: “Hmm…you sure about that?” proceed to rattle off a list of names of male rapists who are living comfortably in women’s prisons

This is our chance to truly spread the word.

( Re-enacterf )
I said to my friend there are male rapists in women's prison right now, raping women. She said trans women are women, therefore there are no men in women's prison.

( Sonnet )
“Transwomen are women, so when a large, criminally dangerous male gets on top of a terrified female and forces his penis inside her without her consent, it is only women to blame.”

( realityismykink )
Did you reply that you couldn't possibly be friends with a misogynistic rape apologist, therefore you weren't friends anymore?

( Re-enacterf )
With TRA female friends, I wait for them to burn the bridge first. It was a horrific comment, but borne out of ignorance of male depravity. Unforgivable to handwave rape, yes, but she might realize what she's done some day. Male TRA friends who give me any guff I block. They know exactly what these TIMs are up to.

( Tailz1012 )
If TWAW and TWAM there are still men in women's prisons bc TIFs don't request transfers to men's prisons for obvious reasons. Regardless of your definition there are men in womens prisons. They need to decide which definition of men to kick out.

( MissBehaved )
I'm literally waiting on Trump to declare himself America's first woman president. I hope he does it. He's honestly nuts enough that I can imagine him doing this. Dems would be floundering, the whole country would go crazy haha

( BillyPilgrim )
He hates women too much to ever pretend to be one.

( SpatOutTheKoolaid )
That doesn't stop most TIMs.

( RusticTroglodyteSnazzy )
So do tims lol. Hating women is a necessary part of transition for both tims and tifs

( LunarWolf )
as opposed to most TIMs?

( Fluffy_gender )
Trump is pro trans actually. He was OK with a TIM in Miss Universe and he had a comment while running for president that he doesn't mind TIMs in women's bathrooms - after all, he also regularly barged into teen girls' changing rooms, too.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Bubsy3D )
Pushing back on genderist language. I mean all of it

[...]

So to return to the beginning, gender fetishists do not use a pronouns, they demand others to use a pronouns, and that's how we should talk about it.

They do not identify as man/woman/enby, nor do they think that they're one. If they really thought that they're the opposite sex, having their sex correctly identified would be met with genuine confusion and not rage. So in reality they demand other people to pretend that they're man/woman/enby.

It is NOT about "who they are". It's just stealing the narrative of LGB. Trans identity literally, directly requires participation of the other people. If people don't believe in their bs, they feel like they stop existing.

[...] I'd really like to see GC not use genderist language. If you have any more suggestions on how to reframe their concepts or suggest concepts for discussion, I'd love to hear it, because I'm too tired to cover the entire thing. Like should we call genderism a cult? A religion? A front?

( Unicorn )
I had a silly shower thought of TERFs taking back the term "misgender."

Someone calling Jessica Johathan Yaniv a woman? That's misgendering; he's a man who identifies as a transwoman.

Someone calling Buck Angel a man? That's some serious misgendering right there, she's a woman who identifies as a transman.

I'm so curious what would happen if this was attempted. Let's start confusing everybody, just like TRAs do when they misuse sex and gender! Remember, according to trans activists, words have no meaning!

( WatcherattheGates )
I have dropped the word "gender" almost entirely from my vocabulary. I talk about biological sex, and I talk about societally-imposed sex roles, sex norms, and sex expectations.

( Opals )
I don’t use ‘trans woman’, etc. They are ‘men who wish that they were women’ and so on

( RuneOwl )
I like “men who identify as transwomen”, it really gets to the point but also doesn’t confuse the average person by introducing new terms. I want them to start associating “transwoman” with man, because that’s the word they’ll most often be hearing.

( RusticTroglodyte )
I refuse to use "transwomen" unless I'm being sarcastic in reply to a TRA. I refer to them as trans identified males, men LARPing as women, etc

kirisheart , Calidris & AriadneOnNaxos #transphobia ovarit.com

( kirisheart )
How do all the libfem and TRA Potterheads miss how this is just like Order of the Phoenix?
Order of the Phoenix is a wild book to return too, as Harry is quite literally living JK Rowling's reality right now. Harry and JK Rowling are both famous and spoke the truth. Harry told the truth about Voldemort's return and JK Rowling has only ever expressed concerns about women and girls by allowing males to self ID as women and that biological sex is real.

For speaking the truth they have each become hated and smear campaigns turning everyone against them. Have any of you re-read it since this all started? It's wild. Just like with JK Rowling everyone turned on Harry. Dumbledore's Army is basically Radfems and TERFs.

It's just wild how she is living out Harry's reality, only because she's a woman she has has to deal with all the misogyny too.

How are all these potterheads or former potterheads blind to this connection??

( Calidris )
Yes and I'm not kidding when I say, think about this every single day

I wonder what she thinks? Imagine your book weirdly becoming the truth. If it follows as in the books, she'll eventually be vindicated and the TRAs will be chased out by centaurs lol

( AriadneOnNaxos )
Yep. She wrote her principles into a series of books and is living by them, and the very people who grew up on those books (I read them in my 20s) are completely oblivious and hate her passionately for doing exactly what they idolised her protagonists for.

I guess they thought the message of the books was “Owls are cool, you are magic, have some butter beer” or something.

It’s enough to make you give up on the power of art to shape the human psyche.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( unlearningtrans )
“TERF ideology”
Anyone else noticing they are now saying our pro-reality stance/advocating for child safeguarding is itself an “ideology”? Insane inversion going on as per usual. Someone dropped “TERF ideology” on me in the real world recently. Boggles the mind. I was like, say more. They went off about anti-trans hatred, the enormous genocide, white supremacy. We’re both white women but she of course has a loved one who is trans-identified so I understand why it riles her up.

( legopants )
It's because we say gender ideogy and they can't think of a single thing themselves.

( Calidris )
Literally all their arguments are either childish make belief, blatant lies, or "no, u". They are like apes who throw shit and just see what sticks. That's why I don't get women on our side trying to debunk their arguments. They don't even believe there arguments! They just use them as weapons to throw at us so that while we're trying to refute them, they dismantle our human rights. Case in point, they contradict themselves all the time.

Trans people are only now brave and safe enough to come out which is why TIFs increased 4000%. But there's also a trans genocide so trans people have to hide for safety.

A one year old knows he's a girl cause he's trying to make dresses out of onesies, because gender identity is stable and fixed. Gender fluids are totally valid because gender is always changing and very dynamic.

[…]

( Unicorn )
They are creating an artificial dichotomy: gender ideology and "TERF ideology." It's a logical fallacy.

It's kind of like teaching creationism alongside evolution. Religious people can then argue "they're both theories!!" even though the two theories are not of equal validity or sound argument.

( RadFemRiot )
Tell them how you relate.

All female born people are trans because we crave rights of the male born and we are persecuted for not being the male born default. We have biological functions the male born cannot though, which makes us inherently different. All female born are trans which is why afab want separate from Amab.

Use the terminology as they imply it to mean.

( Sameseks )
TERF ideology: someone who says the truth about sex and gender, but they're a woman

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

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( ProxyMusic )
He probably has a forced-feeding fetish.

( Ptarmagant )
Ewww. That is such a possibility.

( RusticTroglodyte )
I doubt that it would include a feeding tube and a hospital bed in the prison infirmary lmao

Eta: then again he's a pornsick pervert so who knows

( sojourner_truth_ )
Entitled violent pervert uses emotional manipulation to get access to more female victims, news at 11.

( Hollyhock )
I have never understood hunger strikes, despite some of the people doing it I admire for their causes. Suffragettes, Ghandi are a few.

But, I still don't understand it. Why does one person's choice to starve make others cave to their demands? I honestly don't get it...it's always seemed like only an mentally unwell person would choose this.

( TheSimbul )
Good.

Die, you useless piece of shit.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

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( fightlikeagirl )
That's the same guy that posted yesterday about how he lies to men for sex, claiming to be female when he's post-op TIM. Sorry not sorry if women don't empathize with a rapist.

( UncomfortablElla )
Also he has a post where he talks about having spoken to several lawyers to make sure that sleeping with someone (having lied and tricked them into thinking you're a woman) is technically not rape. Very scary to obsess like that over the technical definitions of consent to make sure you can get away with as much as possible while violating someone else

( RusticTroglodyte )
No shit. I'll never understand what it's like to be a pornsick man with a severe sex fetish.

Any other late breaking news, dumbass?

( crispycherrypie )
Just replace "trans woman" with "men" and you have typical MRA talking points.

I wonder why that could be!

( Women1st )
Ok- what is your point? I don’t give a shit about your experience. Why you ask? Because you have degraded womanhood by claiming it. You have invaded our spaces, which shows you don’t get it. You have stolen our awards, titles, and accomplishments.

I am living my best life. I am containing cocks. As a matter of fuck, sorry, fact, I am about to copulate with a married man in 1 hour. I am getting ready

This right here is the pervert’s idea of womanhood. This is the complete degradation of womanhood.

Peppermint & TwoXChromosomes #transphobia ovarit.com

EXCLUSIVE: Leading womb transplant experts say it's 'medically possible' for transgender women to have natural pregnancies - and they hope to offer procedure to trans couples in years | Daily Mail Online

( Peppermint )
There's always the comment that goes like this "I have no problem with transgender people living as they wish..but...." Let's just say NO. I don't agree with them "living as they wish." We're usually if not always talking about MEN and "living as they wish" means intruding and destroying the rights of women, children and in this case unborn humans. NO WAY.

These horrific experiments and unnecessary procedures should be along the same ethical lines of cloning humans. And to that end any attempts to have humans gestated and/or born from jars or men's bodies should be against the law. It should be considered undesirable and not ever the best start for any human being on the planet.

And I would go on to say, it should NEVER happen unless a "womb" from a woman who is willing to give birth is no longer available on the planet. And to further deconstruct that I mean we have 0 humans being born everywhere for whatever reason. Even then we might want to reconsider continuing the human race at all. And I hate to say this but it sounds like we need to go there.

Humans do not ever need to be born of men and its not something we should want especially for the humans involved. The imaginary "needs" of a man should not ever be considered over the baby in this case. These men need to get some real mental health already. Children have suffered enough!

( TwoXChromosomes )
You know, I started writing a book about a dystopian future 40 years from now in which everything in the world catered to these sick weirdos. This was one of the items on my list of fucked up shit that would hopefully never happen, but would in my dystopia.

It took exactly TWO years for my dystopia to become real...

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( radfemdragon )
Politically Homeless and Worried
I was talking politics with my wife today, and we're both worried. We both feel politically homeless because we care about the climate crisis and renewable energy, but we also care about women and girls. With the utmost respect to all of my fellow Ovarites and their political persuasions, we're afraid that in countries where women and girls are losing their rights to TiMs, women will either not vote or vote for a government that doesn't care about the climate crisis and renewable energy. So in an indirect way, the colonization, cosplay, and fetishism of TiMs will contribute to a worsening of the climate crisis, because conservatives don't traditionally support Earth-friendly policies. Your thoughts?

( knitsandhooks )
I will vote for whichever party opposes gender ideology, because once women as a class are destroyed, everything is over. Women's rights can recover from everything else but that.

( pennygadget )
I'm leaning more towards this everyday. Why bother with other issues if we don't even have the basic right to define ourselves and have our own spaces? Why should I care about climate change when blue states like California are trying to turn poor women into cattle for the surrogacy industry?

( ivahian )
And California gets worse and worse every day, for a multitude of reasons :/

( Calidris )
That's where I'm at, I'm a complete single issue voter now. But let's not act like literally every single man wouldn't be a single issue voter if we tried to abolish men's human rights. Men have class consciousness. Sadly among women there's a lot who'd throw all of us under the bus without thinking for a crumb of penis approval.

[...]

( pennygadget )

We can’t recover from a destroyed earth. Human rights have come and gone through out history. Once the earth is gone that is it

But do you really trust left wing parties to keep their promises about the environment?. The mainstream left has already back-stabbed every group and value they once stood for (free speech, women, jews, the working class, LGBs, etc) in service to the woke/trans cult. Do you really think they won't backstab the environmentalists as well?

Calidris & RighteousIndignation #transphobia ovarit.com

Men still maintin their privileges, even when they pretend to be women
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( Calidris )
The biggest slap in my face was that they left the draft the same. So you're saying they're "woman" enough to be actual women's and girl's problems, they have all the freedom to rape and harass us in the spaces we created for us? But males getting out of the draft, now that's too much!!!

Way to just go out and say, yes females are completely and utterly inferior! Males can destroy their spaces and prizes for penis titillation who cares it's just dumb women. But the draft that is actually serious business that affects real people.

( RighteousIndignation )
its less the humouring as no one really believes he's a woman, its the pandering because he wants you to pretend he is.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( furyosa )
Richard Dawkins Q&A | Can a woman become a man and a man become a woman?
Richard Dawkins answers various questions in this video.

At 42:07 he answers the question "Can a woman become a man and a man become a woman?"

His answer: "No, of course not".

( Agrimonium )
I want to go back to talking about transgenderism like this tbh. No complex explanations, just "of course that's not a real thing" and then move on.

( TheKnitta )
The very basis of it all really is that simple, isn’t it? All the rest is just noise to obfuscate.

( OwnLyingEyes )
The entire bulk of the rest is men who refuse to take no for an answer trying to equivocate that 'no' into a 'yes' (and too many women supporting that attempt, for that matter).

( questioningtw )
IKR. I can't believe we are seriously debating in 2023 on what a man and a woman is.

( Moonflower )
This is great. It’s been incredibly disappointing how so many of the “new atheism” folks I used to look up to in the early/mid 2000’s (like PZ Myers and Hemant Mehta) are now throwing their support behind gender ideology without subjecting it to the same level of criticism or question they used to aim at religious belief. Dawkins was one of the clearest voices among them, and it’s refreshing to see how he just isn’t having any of it.

( sevenfatesforetold )
Gender ideology is the new religion and anyone who carries water for it are its priests

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

The TQ changes everything

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LGB activism: Your kids are fine
just the way they are. You don't have
to be concerned if they're gender
non-conforming.
activism: Your children
are defective & we're here to correct
their abnormalities with drugs,
clothing, accessories & multiple
surgeries.

( DurableBook )
LGB: "It gets better."

QT: "It will never get better unless you get hormones and surgery and convince literally everyone to see you as the opposite sex, forever, and a single person failing to comply will drive you to suicide."

( Bubsy3D )
LGB defining conversion therapy as: torture aimed to change the person

TQ defining conversion therapy as: absence of torture aimed to change the person

( BillyPilgrim )
I was so confused when I read about people being outraged at laws banning conversion therapy. I thought it was religious groups trying to pray the gay away.

( Unicorn )
What's messed up is when liberal states ban conversion therapy by merging in gay and gender identity as types of conversion therapy into one law. This happened in Washington state.

I fully support banning gay conversion therapy; leave gay people alone, there is nothing wrong with being gay.

However, "gender conversion therapy" is nonsense. Now therapists in Washington state can lose their license and get fined thousands if they do not "affirm" a patient's gender identity.

( MissBehaved )
~~LGB~~ TQ: Your children are defective & we're here to correct their abnormalities with drugs, clothing, accessories & multiple surgeries.

( BorealForest )
If instead of telling children to accept their homosexuality, you tell them to reject it and embark on a pursuit for something that is physically impossible to achieve but results in permanent physical and psychological damage, in a disgusting attempt to supposedly fix themselves so that they won't be homosexual anymore, you're the bigot.

mathlover , SummerGrl & RusticTroglodyte #transphobia #psycho ovarit.com

( mathlover )
They always claim the men's bathrooms aren't safe. What if the women's bathrooms became infinitely more dangerous than the men's? Can we make that happen?

( SummerGrl )
The most dangerous thing to them is referring to them as men. We need to keep telling them "sir, get your dick out of the ladies room."

( RusticTroglodyte )
I will not hesitate to pepper spray a tim in the bathroom. All women need to carry personal protection devices

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"Cis" is misogyny
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"CIS"
IS THE MOST EXTREME FORM OF MISOGYNY
It is both a term of abuse and
a form of linguistic apartheid
It robs women of their unique sexual identity.
It Intimidates them into accepting the absurd
proposition that any man can become
a biological female just by announcing it.

( hard_headed_woman )
I simply refuse to be lumped into a subcategory of my own sex.

( chocolatefondant21 )
It’s a made up word for trans-identifying people to not feel like the freaks that they are.

( Jehane )
This. What annoys me about this term is that TIMs claim it's important to illustrate the difference between women and themselves. They claim it's for "clarity". As soon as you point out that using "women" versus "transwomen" is perfectly fine and that everybody will understand what you're talking about, they bristle and insist that no, you have to have a separate category of women, because they know they'll never be seen as real women. So they pretend that there's something like a general category of women that can be divided into cis and trans. These are the same people insisting on inclusion, yet they come up with bullshit like this and an ever-growing acronym to create more apartheid.

( Women1st )
🎯

It’s a slur meant to validate males

( SakuraBlossoms )
It's certainly not the most extreme form of misogyny. It is however the claim that we "identify" with the misogynistic social constructs used to oppress us.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Redmage )
Took my kid to a toy store, not a fetish store
But yet, tim behind us in line and my TODDLER is staring and confused.

I'm just stressed out and needed to complain.

( itsnotaboutewe )
I complained about TiMs being everywhere to a friend and she said it's only natural that trans people are waiting in line at the ATM, browsing the aisles at the chemist, in the women's toilets at the playground, etc, because trans people are normal people and do normal, everyday things. I replied that they are AGP men who have decided to take their fetish public. Every time they are standing behind you at the chemist in their stockings and short skirt they are using everyone around them for sexual gratification. I said it should never be normal for a man to use strangers, including children, as his personal sex toys in public. I also told her that every time she smiles at one of these men or calls him ma'am, she is tickling his balls.

( Redmage )
If I walked into a sex toy store, I would be perfectly ok with Tims being there. They're wearing fetish wear in a fetish store.

( pegasusknight )
I saw a TIM skipping around in a dress that barely covered his junk in the middle of the day. Like, a dude in his 40’s+ basically dancing around and obviously trying to call attention to himself. 🤦‍♀️

It’s really frustrating, especially in cases like this where it’s really obvious and we can all see what they’re doing, but if you tried to complain about this on social media everyone would say, “um, she’s just living her best life, sweaty 💅!”

I don’t really know what the solution is, but yes, it blows.

( Begbie )
I'm in Glasgow for a break and I watched a TIM in a short black dress get yelled at across the street by some drunks last night. "Transgender shite" was one of the things IIRC. I was with my trans teen at the time (she just looks like a girl with short hair).

It was an interesting experience. On the walk home I referred to him as a man in a dress. Interesting that Glaswegians are just ready to call them out in it, something that never happens in Nor Cal. I wonder if my kid will file this away as evidence of the trans genocide? Terf Island truly delivered on this one.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( IrishTheFrenchie )
[...]
If you live somewhere where you can't have a female only event, leave the event open to all "women" and let the TIMs come. Then, because the group is "too large", divide everyone into two groups. The TIMs get to only speed date other TIMs. The women get to speed date other women.

If TIMs complain, it proves they don't see themselves as women. Because if they did, they'd be happy to date a transbian.

I know the best outcome is to be able to exclude these perverts from the get go, but if you can't...

( mathlover )
You have to expend a lot of time and effort to find and separate out lesbians who want to keep TIMS excluded. You go to "inclusive" spaces repeatedly to identify those lesbians - and verify that they are trustworthy - and set up private gatherings.

This takes time. And it is a lot of work. But eventually there is a growing group of lesbians the larping men will never have access to. This is what lesbians had to do so many years ago. We can do it again. We have to.

( Carrots90 )
I love this

When they complain, pretend not to know what they mean

“How do you know without a genital check”

( VestalVirgin )
For everything:

Get a photo of each participant, or better, have a video chat with them.

Rent two locations. The TIMs go to the location you announced beforehand. The actual women go to the other, which is told to them via e-mail.

Of course you'd have to ask women if they are there with someone, and if they are there with TIMs, allocate them to the TIM group.

(Also, it would be good to have a pool of handmaidens who can be recruited to keep the TIMs happy and prevent them from suspecting something. Of course without telling them that's what they're there for. Just invite them for free because they have "done so much for feminism" or some shit. From what I gather, many women on Ovarit are friends with handmaidens whom they haven't told they don't believe in gender religion. Might be hard with lesbian speed dating, but easier for women only music festivals and the like.)

Ok, if you mingle TIMs with handmaidens, that doesn't expose their hypocrisy, but I believe keeping them happy is the better way if you want a women only event.

They very much do not care about being exposed as hypocrites, they'd still have temper tantrums and demand to get to molest some actual lesbians.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: When lesbians are paired romantically with TiMs

( Opals )
It's just trying to normalise the rape of lesbians, same heteronormative bullshit as ever. 'Maybe one day you will meet the right man'. It makes me sick.

( tymps )
One of the most iconic lesbian characters on TV, Shane from The L Word, was paired with a TIM in the recent revival series. It was stomach-churning, and I quit watching the show as soon as I saw what they were setting up. His character was supposedly an actual woman and was never acknowledged as trans on the show (as far as I know anyway), but it was frankly impossible to buy that. It genuinely made me so fucking angry. It's "just" a TV show, sure, but it's still sickening, and it was just maddening to know that something like this was happening and they faced no real backlash for their disgusting lesbophobia.

( kirisheart )
It's always the lesbians. Have they been pairing straight men with trans women? I just really hope one day I'll see posts all over the internet talking about that time everyone became lesbophobic in the names of trans.

( Bubsy3D )
Why should you be open to rape with a deranged man who wears your skin? Gross. It doesn't even matter what media claims lesbians do, you know what you will not accept. Give yourself more credibility than whatever men and their handmaidens say and broadcast.

( befana )
The answer is simple: if you are attracted to a penis you are not lesbian. If a woman living a lesbian life suddenly pairs with a TIM she is clearly not lesbian but bisexual. And if she insists her TIM-partner is a lesbian and puts pressure on others in her lesbian community to accept this she is guilty of erasure of lesbians, lesbian culture, lesbian spaces etc. A woman claiming to be lesbian and partnering with a TIM clearly is my worst nightmare as a lesbian.

( mathlover )
The penis is definitely the worst part. But lesbians don't want anyone who was born with a penis, even if he has it made into a fauxgina. The whole rest of the body is male, no matter what drugs/surgeries do to it. A woman who is fine with a man with gynecomastia and a surgical front-hole is not a lesbian. Cos he is still, always, a man.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( Seether95 )
Do you think it's too late?
Passing sex-based laws and repealing self-id ones is the only way to restore sanity. But in the Western world, do you think it's too late to do it?

( DonnaMme )
Yes but only if we, in the US, have a president who will stand firmly against transgender ideology. The tentacles of TQ are in the mainstream media, the government, schools, and almost every civil rights agency. DeSantis has been relentlessly portrayed as a bigot, a tyrant and on and on. He's blunt and many of his positions are problematic for anyone on the left, but I don't see anyone else who would stop this insidious credo.

( wildclovr )
I think there is no such thing as "going back". The real way I see this going in the United States is there will be all kinds of religious exemptions. Sex based rights might get restored in a fashion, but it will be remodeled and not at all like we once had.

( Seether95 )
What about Women's bill of rights in Oklahoma? What about states restoring the definitions of woman and mother to their biologucal context? What about states banning men from women's spaces ? Can this be a nationwude thing instead?

( RighteousIndignation )
Of course not, you can't deny reality forever, all this transubstantiation of the flesh rubbish will melt away in time as it no longer is seen as fashionable.

( 324B21 )
NO! We’re all in the shit right now, but like all other fads, this too shall make everyone cringe eventually. I really don’t think this is permanent.

( rightnow )
Unfortunately, I think the only thing that will restore sanity is when the "trans" kids grow up and develop major health complications that make it undeniable how false this all really was.

( pennygadget )
I agree. This madness won't end until hordes of detransitioners start suing and kids like Jazz Jennings start dropping like flies in their 30s and 40s.

( rightnow )
If poor Jazz makes it to 30 I would be shocked. What was done to that child was stomach-turning and the fact that the whole country watched and did nothing is sickening.

( RusticTroglodyte )
If Jazz ever wakes up, he will likely kill himself

RighteousIndignation #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

Anyone got legal bills?
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Thats nice can someone tell Elon to unsuspend my account for saying the "hate speech" that trans ideology is a cult and asking an NB why didn't they just identify as an individual.

I've disputed it twice since Elon took over and not had a single email response.

deeds not words. letting all the GCs back on the platform costs nothing.

shewolfoffrance , Persimmon64 & MissBehaved #transphobia ovarit.com

Me watching TRAs and 'GC ally' TIMs argue on social media
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( shewolfoffrance )
Omg. I'm sick of "good" TiMs. They are 100% in it for themselves. Maybe they're HSTS who like currying favor with masculine, right-leaning, bisexual men. Maybe they're HSTS who are embarrassed to be associated with AGPs. Maybe they're AGPs who get their affirmation jollies by being the one TiM that self-described GCs find acceptable.

I don't care. They all need to go away. They're all bad to women and bad for women.

( Persimmon64 )
Absolutely. It's impossible to be a TIM and on women's side. The fact that they call themselves "trans women" and not feminine men shows they believe being a man or woman means ascribing to sexist stereotypes, they believe in magical gender souls, and/or they believe it's possible to "transition" sex somehow.

All TIMs are men pretending to be women. Both HSTS and AGPs are narcissistic misogynists and they need to leave women alone.

( MissBehaved )
I wouldn't even care that they call themselves women provided they stay out of our spaces. They never do though. They ALWAYS want to use the women's loo.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Translation: We don't want you to groom our toddler
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( sojourner_truth_ )
It looks like this landlord knows about TIMs and their interest in children. By which I mean sexual interest in children. Thank god the child was spared from being exposed to this pervert!

( Unicorn )
A parent doesn't want an openly delusional, fetishistic, and narcissistic man living with their two-year-old child. Shocking!

( RusticTroglodyte )
Cannot blame them. I wouldn't rent to a tim either. I wouldn't rent to any men tbh but especially not a tim. Who wants to walk on eggshells around a pornsick pervert. Who wants a pervert around their baby

( VestalVirgin )
They still seem a bit naive.

I wouldn't have mentioned the baby, would have made it all about the parking. Safer that way.

Not only because he could sue them, but also because he might visit to, er ... "see" the child.

Most AGPs seem to be more into little girls, but you never know.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

I will die on this hill
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( RusticTroglodyte )
Half are incels, half are neo-nazis, all are pornsick

( RuneOwl )
Most TIMs are incel-ish because they’re terminally online creeps with weird fetishes who aren’t any normal person’s idea of a good potential partner. But some of them quite literally are coming from the incel ranks—transing themselves (“trannymaxxing”) is considered a strategy to escape inceldom. A few of them are so desperate for physical contact they’ll even accept sex from men despite not previously being gay.

Incels will try literally anything as long as it’s not putting genuine effort into becoming a healthy, well-adjusted person.

( VestalVirgin )
Why not just have sex with men without transing themselves beforehand, tho?

I'd assume there's loads more gay men who want to seduce a straight guy than there's trans chasers who are into mutilated genitals.

( DurableBook )
Counterpoint: If only.

It's an actual cliche the number of men who discover their "trans identity" while their wife is pregnant or shortly after she gives birth.

If you ever want to ruin your day, search "wife pregnant" on r/MTF for pages of examples.

( MissBehaved )
They get off on women's weakness, pain, and suffering, pregnancy and childbirth being chief among those. They secretly desire to hurt their wives during sex (but she'd leave over it) so they relish the idea of her being torn in her most sensitive of parts. Don't get me started on the breastfeeding fetish, which goes hand in hand. Then they trans themselves to imagine themselves being their wife, imagining her in pain, attempting to relive what they never lived, all for the boner it always gave them and the idea they are doing it to her somehow.

itsnotaboutewe #transphobia ovarit.com

What If Gender Ideology Had Been Invented Earlier?
Those of us on this side of gender ideology see it for what it is - a cult that has captured society and is making fools of some of the most powerful people in the world. What's happening is like something out of a dystopian futuristic novel or a scary work of historical fiction. Imagine if this lunacy had actually happened earlier in history. What would have been the likely outcome?

If gender ideology had come along in the Middle Ages, would the priests of that time have embraced it, as some of our church leaders currently have? Would they have preached diversity and inclusion, and made special laws that put men in dresses into a slightly lower priestly class? Would they have decreed that anyone who speaks against the new religion should be cast out, punished, or even burnt at the stake? To prove that this new ideology was true, would the priests have forced the King to have all the female cattle, sheep, and pigs, killed in order to prove that mammals can indeed change sex? How would the resulting mass starvation have been recorded in the history books? Who would be blamed?

If gender ideology had come about in 1900, would there have been enough people identifying as men to send to war by 1914? Would the war have been lost by the Allies because of this? How would this terrible defeat be recorded and explained for future generations to learn from?

I keep mentally plopping this crazy ideology into different timelines and trying to figure out how history would have been changed by its presence. Not in any scenario does it improve life for those to come after. It always causes havoc and social upheaval.

How will our grandchildren view this time when they look back? Will it be decided that this was the worst case of mass hysteria in history, and blame technology, social media, and the weak minds of politicians? How will it be explained that a people who were so advanced that they sent probes to Mars also believed that people could change sex by just saying so?

The other side is always saying we are on the wrong side of history. I can't see a future to look back from if this cult does not implode soon.

hard_headed_woman & WatcherattheGates #interphobia #transphobia ovarit.com

Castor Semenya: Double Olympic champion wins appeal at European Court of Human Rights over testosterone rules

( hard_headed_woman )
I've included this in Gender Critical for obvious reasons! He's a man. Furthermore, as bad as it is that women have to deal with the likes of him larping as a woman, I understand his situation is somewhat different from your normal garden variety larper. HOWEVER, how is this going to affect trans identified males in women's sport? Surely, the court realizes Castor has a male body, albeit with abnormal exterior genitals? If those idiot judges can say that Castor is a woman, what about other men larping as women?

I am so furious.

( WatcherattheGates )
This issue is interesting, because it is clear the sports organization doesn't want to come out and say what everyone knows--Semenya is a male. As a result, they made "her" lower her testosterone levels. I say that was a big compromise for the sports org to make.

But if that is not enough for Semenya, then the truth will have to out. Semenya may have been registered at birth as female, but that was a clinical mistake. They are male with genital anomalies. Period.

( hard_headed_woman )
But is it a clinical mistake?

Society can't imagine a man going through life with deformed genitalia, so he's always turned into a woman.

I get the feeling that his family always knew or knew early on.

ChattyGremlin #sexist #elitist #psycho ovarit.com

In my silly utopia-dream, all men are castrated at birth! If they would like to have their testicles back, they have to have a minimum of a college degree, a six-figure job, no criminal background, a driver's license, a perfect grade on a year-long parenting course, and the consent of a psychotherapist who has seen them for at least two years, the consent of their mother, and the consent of a female partner who the man has been with consistently for at least four years. Paradise!

MenHaveItEasy , crispycherrypie & BondiBlue #transphobia ovarit.com

“The main goal of lactation induction in transgender women may not necessarily be milk production, but rather the nonnutritional benefits that come from breastfeeding.”
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( MenHaveItEasy )
Lot of fancy words to say you believe men should be allowed to sexually abuse newborns for their AGP fetish.

This "male breastfeeding" shit is the single most horrific thing ever to come out of transgender activism. Im glad more people are finally seeing how dangerous and sick these men are.

Edit: Not to mention the risk of PTSD when these babies grow up and learned that their biological father posted pictures of themselves molesting their babies, and blogged about how they got off on it.

( crispycherrypie )
By "nonnutritional benefit" I assume they mean "sexual gratification".

( BondiBlue )
The participants in these "studies" and the people conducting them all need to be paid a visit by Chris Hansen.

BondiBlue & DietCokeAddict #transphobia ovarit.com

No, Colin -- the revulsion to TIMs moobfeeding IS about safety; we ARE disgusted; and no, YOU are irrational.
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( BondiBlue )
The nerve of this guy to go all DARVO and accuse us of being the ones who believe in "magic-sexed souls." We are not disgusted by the thought of "a woman who 'used to be' a boy"; we know that there are no women who "used to be" boys, because you cannot change your sex. We are disgusted by males with a fetish who pretend to be us, and the corrupt medical establishment damaging children by indulging that fetish with grotesque guinea-pig experiments intended to break the bond between mother and child. We are disgusted by liars with NPD, as everyone damn well should be. This is barbaric.

Sorry, Colin: you can feel as morally righteous as you like, but your position is irrational, and it is wrong. Nothing you can do about that other than change your mind and get better.

AND LEAVE KIDS ALONE!

( DietCokeAddict )
If males can breastfeed, why don’t ALL fathers do it? Or at least a majority - imagine how useful that would be!

Oh that’s right, males can’t breastfeed, and there’s no evidence they can produce anything nutritious for a baby from their male bodies, let alone anything as good as what mothers produce.

There is absolutely no reason for a man to attempt to breastfeed a baby except for his own enjoyment. That’s not irrational, that is an objective and observable fact.

And also, wtf is that about accusing US of believing in magic sexed souls?! That’s literally your entire ideology! And WE keep telling YOU it’s nonsense! Seriously I can’t even with this guy.

( BondiBlue )
His idiot defenders on the thread were saying stuff about insulin and antidepressants. Diabetics don't produce insulin naturally; depressives don't produce serotonin naturally; TIMs don't produce estrogen naturally, because (and I wanted to vomit) they're just like menopausal women, so they "need" these chemicals to be "healthy." SMH. They really do believe this is a "medical condition" rather than a psychiatric disorder and a "sexual fetish*. How the fuck do we slap "all the major medical associations" upside the head to get them to realize this is nothing whatsoever like that?!?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Shower thoughts about the "gENiTal cHEckS" in bathrooms

( OwnLyingEyes )
The thing about this as much as anything is they're telling on themselves. We're not pushing for or even floating the idea of 'genital checks;' what they're saying however is that if they're restricted or banned from a space, women's sports, whatever, that they have every intention of not honoring that women don't fucking want them there. Them whining about hypothetical genital checks is them broadcasting that they'll continue to do their best to sneak in, cheat, and just generally continue to act like the center-of-their-own-universes narcissists that they are, that being unequivocally unwelcome isn't a dealbreaker for them.

And that, lurkers, is why we're sick of your shit. That's what makes you assholes, that's WHY YOU'RE EVEN LESS WELCOME THAN NORMAL MEN AT THIS POINT. Because you have zero respect for our privacy, our boundaries, our consent. Because RIGHT HERE, even as you play the victim, you signal that if you're told no you'll continue to treat it as a yes until you're forcibly stopped.

( GenZ-ProWoman )
TIMs (especially AGP imo) self-select themselves into being some of the most invasive and creepy of male people.

( dotconnectr )
The correct answer to "genital checks" or the question of whether or not a TIM passes is "I DON'T CARE" because ALL men must be excluded from female spaces, no matter how they dress, or what hormones they take, or what surgery they may, or may not, have had.

( shewolfoffrance )
I think "genital checks" are more of a fantasy than a fear for TiMs. God knows, they love talking about their girldicks.

( Researcher1536 )
They usually have a humiliation fetish, so of course they'd want this to happen. They'd pop a euphoria b*ner.

( Philogynist )
My feelings too. The "TERFS want to perform genital checks on everybody before entering bathrooms, especially poor trans people!" seems like either 1) they actually have this fetish/fantasy, or 2) they have past sexual trauma and are passing along their fear-mongering paranoia.

( Owlskye )
Exactly. They’ll cry about being persecuted but it’s their biggest wet dream.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( old_but_gold )
I understand that the acronym TRA has some weight behind it because of the implicit comparison to “MRA” — men’s rights activism.

But it gives me pause when I consider the acronym on its own, without that implicit context.

“Trans rights activist” — someone who engages in activism for trans rights. If you broadly support human rights and you don’t know the truth of this movement, doesn’t “trans rights activism” sound pretty…good?

And the term is literally false, because they’re not fighting for the rights of trans identified people — who already have all of their human rights respected. They’re fighting to define away reality, to permit unethical surgical and chemical experimentation on the bodies of vulnerable people, and to undermine the human rights of women and homosexual people. They’re gender identity extremists, and they’re an anti-woman hate group, but they’re certainly not activists for human rights.

I still use the term TRA around people who’ll pick up on the MRA comparison, but I have found “gender identity extremist” is growing on me for use in other contexts, especially with ambivalent or uninformed people.

Am I overthinking this? How do you feel about the term “TRA”?

( Dee )
I dislike the term, along with the "trans rights are human rights" slogan, because it suggests that people who adhere to this ideology are seeking rights that other people already have. This is not what they're doing. They demand additional privileges that put the entire female sex class at risk, and they demand that children be able to make irreversible decisions before maturation.

"Gender identity extremists" seems to be a more descriptive term.

( SecondSkin )
I don’t think there needs to be a perfect term.

They are male supremacists. Transcultists. Gender ideologues. Gender groomers. Or say what they do: dismantle safeguards, take away women’s rights. Reinforce regressive sexist stereotypes.

Catch-all rhetoric, or sound bites, often become thought terminating cliches. Use the language that best describes what you want to say to whoever you want to say it to.

( Mintie )
I've seen some people use TPA on here, which stands for Trans Privilege Activists. They already have the same rights as everyone, but they're asking for what's essentially privileges that aren't afforded to the rest of the population.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Trans woman, 57, burns own penis - forcing doctors to remove it and leave her with a 1cm stump | Daily Mail Online

( sojourner_truth_ )
Lolololol! He thought he was so slick! He was sure he was going to get a "designer vagina" out of the deal. I'm tipping my hat to the surgeons who left his perverted ass with a tiny stump dick! It's exactly what he deserves.

( Dreamshaper )
Jesus f*cking Christ. This should say "mentally ill man" instead. Name it as what it is.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
Man mutilates self to jump line for "gender affirming surgery".

This is textbook Munchausen- make yourself ill to get attention from doctors.

( crodish )
That's not how vaginoplasty works, you fucking moron. Now you have LESS material to turn it into an inverse flesh sock lmao

Absolutely no difference from the mentally ill people who give themselves infected wounds on purpose so they can force a doctor to finally make them the amputees they were meant to be 🙄 please, draw the fucking parellels. This is body dysmorphia fixated on sex. That's all it is.

No sympathy. I can't even say I hope he gets better. Play stupid games

TwoXChromosomes , Radical_Phoenix & shewolfoffrance #transphobia ovarit.com

Acknowledging biological reality is just like the CIA doing a Gitmo

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TERFs Are Drawing on the Same Fascist Arguments as torture Advocates: Bigoted attacks on trans participants in sports and access to bathrooms outrageously rely on “ticking bomb” rhetoric.

( TwoXChromosomes )
Yes, but in this case the "ticking bomb" has already gone off. Repeatedly. And too many women and girls have already been raped by TiMs in bathrooms, and TiMs have already started dominating women's sports.

And such an ominous first line in the article!

"On both sides of the Atlantic, anti-trans hatred is gaining momentum."

Yes, because these fuckheads have defined "anti-trans hatred" as doing anything but enthusiastically giving them everything they want with a smile on your face, while calling them stunning and brave, and offering to have sex with them.

And how is it that a "genocide victim" was able to write this after being genocided? Quick someone call the Ghostbusters, they've gotta get on this!

"Crucially, it (The ticking bomb scenario) works through a form of emotionally loaded misdirection."

Emotionally loaded misdirection you say? Like saying "Do you want a dead son or a living daughter?" Or saying "You child WILL kill themself if you don't immediately affirm their gender identity?"

These people are disgusting, but we already knew that. Now that society at large is waking up to the excesses of the trans cult, you can expect them to get even more unhinged and violent as the pushback inevitably continues.

( Radical_Phoenix )
I think the only torture advocates here are the trans and their doctors.

( shewolfoffrance )
Is the "ticking bomb" males abusing women, and taking spaces and resources intended for women? Because several of those "bombs" have gone off without a peep from good liberals.

The "torture" is just women wanting to be left alone.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"The concept of transmisogyny doesn't even make sense."
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( crodish )
Damn. Nice. Schrodinger's Oppression.

Gonna assume MTT is "Male to Trans" which is far more accurate than "MTF".

( Artemis_Lives )
I just prefer the term "male". Its the most accurate.

( old_but_gold )
Yeah, MTT is "male to trans"! It used to be a much more common term but has been mostly replaced by "TiM"

( MaryDyer )
The important part of the word misogyny is gyn. Gyn specifies female. You can’t be misogynistic against someone who is objectively not female.

( DurableBook )
My galaxy brain take is that "transmisogyny" was popularized as a deliberate effort to make everyone so sick of hearing that combination of sounds that women who try to talk about misogyny will see people's eyes glazing over before they get more than a few words out.

( WanderingUterus )
Unfortunately, I would argue that we are already at that point; not only is feminism increasingly deemed "no longer necessary," but also far too many men openly delight in what trans activism is doing to women as a kind of "punishment" for "bringing this all on themselves by insisting that we're all equal."

It feels like people cared about misogyny for about five whole minutes in the grand scheme of things, and now nobody wants to hear about it. Even the few people left who give a damn about misogyny are unfortunately often the same people who will completely screw us over if a TIM starts whining that the mean feminists aren't centering HIM enough.

( Every-Man-His-Own-Football )
The phrase was coined in Julia Serano's "Whipping Girl", which reads like a lampoon of feminist and lesbian liberation thought.

His first example of "transmisogyny" is men getting ridiculed for wearing dresses. This is the worst form of "misogyny" TIMs experience.

(madderthanhell )
Logic is tRaNsPhOBiC

AriAlways09 , pennygadget & momjeans #transphobia ovarit.com

If I disagree with my liberal tribe, does that make me a conservative?

( AriAlways09 )
I have basically been pushed so far that I don't even care about things like voting democrat for abortion rights or access. I am far more horrified about the men entering women's spaces and potentially sexually assaulting us.

( pennygadget )
It sucks that you're getting down-voted for this. Because this reflects how a lot of women feel.

Abortion access is important. But it isn’t something that impacts the daily life of most women. Most women are more concerned with crime, cost of living, failing public schools, not being able to criticize genderwoo without losing their job/reputation, losing our right to have our own spaces, our children being indoctrinated into genderwoo, our daughters being forced to share toilets & changing rooms with male classmates, etc...

And I don't trust Democrats to keep their promises about abortion. They had 50 years to replace Roe with something more substantial; and they never bothered. Also, Democrats have already back-stabbed Jews, women, LGBs, and the working class for the sake of their AGP Overlords. I don't trust them not to outlaw abortion outright just because some TIM says its transphobic that he can't have one

( momjeans )
Yup, I'm far more horrified by this entire youngest generation being queered, groomed, and hypersexualized by public schools than I am about the loss of abortion rights.

In an ideal world, I could send my kids to school not having to worry about them being groomed, and I'd also not have to worry that women who need abortions can get them. In an ideal world.

But this is not an ideal world. It's crazy land. And if I had to choose between reinstating abortion or saving the youngest kids from gender ideology, I'd choose saving the kids from being queered. Sorrynotsorry.

I'm not conservative, BTW, but this is the choice we're being forced to make, ideologically.

crodish #transphobia ovarit.com

Russian lawmakers vote to ban gender reassignment surgery – DW – 06/14/2023

https://archive.ph/vbPNX

What does the new law say?
The proposed bill would prohibit "medical interventions aimed at changing the sex of a person" and "the state registration of a change of gender without an operation."

Interesting that they differentiated between sex and gender here, and in the right way too. There's no way to change a person's sex, but there're many procedures targeting the sex organs under the belief that it will. And gender on paperwork has always been legal fiction for TiPs, so "gender" is absolutely the right way to phrase it.

I think this might also be the first instance of it being outlawed on a complete scale for adults as well, instead of just for minors.

This includes "the formation of a person's primary and (or) secondary sexual characteristics."

So no boob jobs, phallos, labiasicles, and vaginoplasties.

But surgeries that are "aimed at treating congenital anomalies in children" would remain legal.

They recognize people with DSDs being the exception.

.....idk how to feel about this lmfao it's Russia coming up with what should honestly be the world standard for dealing with transgenderism.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Twitter today
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( Luckystar )
Yeah, and "negro" is Latin for black. Words take on meaning within contexts.

Even if we granted that it's not a slur in the traditional sense, but simply a sociological term for "a person whose gender identity matches their sex", it STILL wouldn't apply to us. We don't have a "gender identity". It's simply factually incorrect and doesn't describe how we interface with reality.

( Mandy )
Some TRA moron on twitter tried to tell me 'cisgender' means 'straight'.

( MenHaveItEasy )
Orly?

Then why do rapey TIMs cry that "cis" lesbians wont date them?

( Luckystar )
The comparison to "straight" is so weak because the comparison between LGB and T never made sense in the first place.

For the most part, almost everyone does have a sexual orientation. Some people feel attraction to the same sex, some to the opposite sex, and some to both. "Straight" is a perfectly fine term that applies to a wide swath of the population.

Most people do NOT have a "gender identity". A small subsection of people have this idea that they were meant to be the opposite sex, or neither. That doesn't mean the rest of the population has some strong feeling that they were meant to be the sex that they are, nor do we desperately look to surgeries, haircuts, clothing etc to "prove" that we are our birth sex.

( DurableBook )

[...]

Most people do NOT have a "gender identity".

I'm atheist, so I don't believe anybody has a gender-soul, because I don't believe any such thing exists. I know there are people who believe they have gender-souls, and that's totally okay with me, but I don't share their belief and don't feel like pretending I do.

Rowling nailed it with her recent tweet: Gender identity is unfalsifiable. It is an untestable belief. It is okay for people to hold untestable beliefs, but it is not okay for them to demand that other people share those untestable beliefs. It is only fair to expect other people to agree with realities that are accessible to all of us.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Word cisgender is now a slur on Twitter, says Elon Musk | Toronto Sun

( the_empress )
I don’t like Elon, but this is good.

Cis irritates me so much. And the people throwing it around are the same people who use the word white or Karen in the same way. Sanctimonious little shits.

*And the irony is these people are also uh white.

( 324B21 )
I can just imagine how much TRAs would be blubbering if they were banned from Twitter for saying cis and cisgender 😂

( sarstan )
They are blubbering today. They can still use it too, they just might get in trouble for using it on us when we've said no.

( HelenaHandbasket )
Well, there's the problem right there. They can't wrap their tiny little male brains around the idea that they need to ask a mere woman for consent before doing something.

( sarstan )
The entire trans "community" can't wrap their brains around that. I think they'd call it "anti-trans".

( proudcatlady )
It is not a slur. No one screams CIS while beating you to death. Words mean things.

( TurkishCoffee )
Die cis scum, cissies etc not ding any bells for you?

Words do mean things. Cis is a slur screamed and hurled meaning "lesser than".

( RusticTroglodyteSnazzy )
It's a "slur" the same way calling a trans identified man a "biological male" is a slur. If they want to whine about that, they can respect our request to not be called "cis"

sojourner_truth_ , Women1st & BondiBlue #transphobia ovarit.com

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( sojourner_truth_ )
Wait, there are states making lists of TIPs? He's just talking about the sex offender registry, right?

( Women1st )
On the other hand…

1. Classification- “cis”
2. Symbolization- insisting womanhood is a stereotypical costume
3. Discrimination- destroying sex based rights
4. Dehumanization- TERF, bigot, Nazi
5. Organization- Trantifa
6. Polarization- TWAW, my womanhood is more bc it is not incidental, my vagina is better/doesn’t bleed- spread all over social media
7. Preparation- posting threats online and stocking weapons
8. Persecution- victims are identified and threatened publicly through social media
9. Extermination- erasure of women and violence against those who don’t agree. This is the ticking time bomb…

( BondiBlue )
They sign up for these records themselves when they force everyone else's premiums to go up as a cost of covering what are essentially cosmetic procedures. And when they do fraudulent shit (legal in some states that have lost contact with reality) like retconning their birth certificates to show that "Trixie Fae Monroe" always existed and "Bob Smith" was never real, or insisting upon a bullshit "X" non-binary designation on their driver's licenses and passports.

None of it amounts to "genocide." By the same standard, diabetics, cancer patients and people who suffer from migraines are on the precipice of "genocide" too.

The more they cry wolf with offensive hyperbole invoking slavery and the Holocaust, the less anybody other than the most deluded of "allies" is going to care.

Tortoisemouse & MaryDyer #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Why do transwomen need hormone therapy?

( Tortoisemouse )
There's no point asking questions based on logic or reason. There is no point assuming there is any ability to respond with logic or reason. There is no reason in the trans project. Transes will just say "some people need to affirm their gender, others don't, both are valid, all choices are valid, all bodies are valid, TWAW, women can have a penis or not, can have an adams apple or not, can have a beard or not". That's all they have. They'll just keep repeating it ad infinitum.

I know it makes no sense. They don't care. They're not trying to make sense. That's why even ASKING reasonable questions gets the "transphobia" sirens wailing and the red lights flashing. No debate. No explanation.

There's nothing beneath these men's claims to be women. There's no physical, tangible, measurable, logical way in which these men are women. It's literally just their say-so. Some of them actually DON'T use artificial hormones they're just regular dudes with beards etc. claiming to be women. tHeY aRe VaLiD.

( MaryDyer )
Here are some of my go-to questions that the TRAs can never answer:

-if “transmen are men” and white men are the root of all evil, why are white transmen not vilified as white “cis” men are? There’s clearly a difference between transmen and “cis” men that you’re silently acknowledging and consider important. Clearly it’s not their “gender”, as transmen and “cis” men have the same “gender”. So…what is it?

-if public restrooms are supposedly segregated not by sex but by feelings, why do only women’s rooms have tampon/pad dispensers and why do only men’s rooms have urinals?

-similarly, if public restrooms are segregated by feelings and not by sex, what do transwomen fear about using the men’s room? By their logic (that gender has nothing to do with sex) there’s no reason to believe that the people using the men’s room are capable of physical violence, or even that they have penises at all.

-if laws designed to keep males out of female spaces should be abolished since “tHeY’Re NoT gOnNa bE StOpPeD bY a SiGn”, then should we abolish laws against murder? I mean clearly murderers are gonna murder despite it being highly illegal and sometimes punishable by death, so since the laws aren’t a deterrent we may as well just get rid of those laws, right?

[…]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Euphemisms in gender ideology.

( SlowCollapse )
'misgendering' - Honestly, bluntly, and correctly identifying sex

'egg' - Vulnerable young person being groomed towards transition

( old_but_gold )
these two are great examples!

calling people "eggs" is coercive behaviour obfuscated by cutesy lingo

( Illuminate )
they were called out too often on gender euphoria being obviously boners and now they say trans joy LMAO still always reference to their fetishistic arousal of course

( HelenaHandbasket )
The worst one is "trans genocide". It means telling a kid that they have to wait until they are adults to play around with their hormones and/or get body parts chopped off/origami'd into substandard copies.

One of the REAL definitions of genocide is sterilizing someone without their consent. And no, having your parents sign a consent form for you to be sterilized as a child isn't considered acceptable.

( OneStarWolf )
Yep. The biggest euphemism/lie/obfuscation of all is the widespread use of “trans women”. They’re just males that pretend to be women. Nothing actually women about them.

( Ladylucy )
And actual women are now non-men. TIMs in this scenario are the women—trans women—and I’m just a non. 😖😖😖😡😡😡

( darr )
Also the TIF version of gender euphoria: getting a simulated experience of male privilege and safety from the male gaze (I've had this when in costume as a character perceived as male).

( crodish )
You just brought to mind the mental image of some basement dweller dressed up in a Rogue the Bat costume at some comic con and other males fawning over him thinking it's a hot girl inside lmfao. Or when guys hit on girl avatars online without knowing it's another guy behind the screen. That's honestly what "passing" is.

( old_but_gold )
The flip side of the use of euphemisms to make concepts within gender ideology more palatable is the use of extremist terms to make rational opposition to it seem outlandishly vile.

For example, maintaining sex-based spaces becomes "excluding trans people from public life". Laws preserving opportunities for females (including TIFs) or recognizing sex as distinct from gender become "anti-trans legislation." Simply stating that sex is real and binary is "hate speech." Etc.

Persimmon64 #transphobia ovarit.com

Gender-based discrimination doesn't exist
There is no such thing as gender-based discrimination. I don't know how "gender" is able to be protected in law when it is impossible to know someone's gender without asking, one's gender can be changed or invented on a whim, and there are no behaviors or characteristics that are exclusive to any gender.

Just as the title says, gender-based discrimination doesn't exist. Every instance of perceived discrimination on the "basis of gender" is a mischaracterization of the situation.

TIMs are not denied access to spaces and services because of their "gender". It's due to their sex. They are males trying to access female spaces and services. If they were female, they would not be denied access. This is sex-based "discrimination" (and in this case the discrimination is not unlawful or bad)

TIMs are not mistreated or harassed because of their "gender". They are mistreated because they are males wearing clothing or behaving in a way that is deemed unacceptable for males but acceptable for females. If they were female, they would not be harassed or mistreated for their clothing choice or mannerisms.

In any situation where a TIM or TIF is being "discriminated" against, ask the question, "If they were actually female or male, would they be treated the same way?" If the answer is "no" that means the discrimination is due to their sex.

In situations where the answer is "yes" they would have been treated the same, that treatment is based on some other factor such as their perceived mental health status, erratic behavior, or other issue that is not related to sex or "gender."

Theoretically, one could make a club that said "no non-binary people allowed." But in this case of hypothetical discrimination, it would be impossible to actually know if someone were non-binary and they could simply change their gender to being a "woman" for the day, as we know "gender is fluid" and enter anyway.

How can "gender" be a "protected characteristic" when it is impossible to discriminate against someone based on gender? How could a judge with half a brain not see how senseless this is?

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Meaningful feminism must focus on men first
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( overanddone )
there is no such thing as transmisogyny. It's all in your head, dumbass.

Wake up, wipe off the make up and take off your skirt, and "magically" you are once again back in the oppressor class...

we can never do that.

( notsofreshfeeling )
They never leave the oppressor class, makeup or not.

( Jehane )
The liberal feministis are actually those who are supporting you. They will wholeheartedly agree with you that "meaningful feminism must focus on transmisogyny first". Because they, just as you, actually believe that such a thing as transmisogyny actually exists. It is not even an "optional add-on" to feminism BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN! If you're one of those guys who are just identifying as female without doing more than put on a wig, some make-up and don the shortest skirt you can lay your hands on, you're just a man in a wig, make-up and a short skirt. And once you grow tired of your costume, you can just trash it and identify as a man again.

Real women cannot do that. We cannot magically transform into men to escape oppression, misogyny, sexism and all the other shit you can easily evade by trashing your woman-costume. Oh, and by the way, "transfeminity" isn't a threat to patriarchy because you guys support the worst feminine stereotypes patriarchy has ever come up with. This, along with your ludicrous demands of being allowed into women's spaces, is not threatening patriarchy. It's strengthening it.

( Julie92845 )
Okay, there are all sorts of types of feminism. Liberal feminism can focus on trans women if they want. Why not just let radical feminism focus on females only?

That's the benefit to subgroups.

( WasItSomethingISaid )
Any movement that focuses on men is not any kind of feminism. "Fem" means concerning females. The idea that the opposite is true in some cases is just another in the endless stream of obfuscations made by postmodernists to justify the destruction of women's and girls' rights and boundaries. Anti-feminists are calling themselves feminists for the same reason that men are calling themselves women. They are all part of a woman-hating cult disguised as a civil rights movement.

Lilith-Fair #transphobia ovarit.com

Trans and TRAs are Borgs

I'm watching Star Trek: Picard and it really struck me how this whole movement is no different than the Borgs.

They assimilate others into The Collective by physically altering them to the point of no return. Even the few that "recovered" like Seven, some physical harms can never be undone.

Once part of The Collective, you are not allowed to ever think for yourself. Transwomen Are Women. Full Stop. You will comply.

The Collective currently includes the top echelon of societal institutions, including governments, universities and schools, corporations, nonprofits, all collectively spreading the bullshit. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. If you resist, you will arrested, fired, doxxed, threatened by rape or death.

The destroy whole civilizations in the process of assimilation. The TRAs and the trans movement is doing exactly that right now. Rewriting our language. Redefining women. Changing the way we speak. Resistance is futile. All news publications, medical brochures, government websites, they're all using their Newspeak. Our language is being erase. Our society's boundaries, established to safeguard women and children, are being torn down. Our sports, set up to give women a chance, are being destroyed. They're even destroying family units, taking away children away from parents if parents don't comply. Laws are being adopted to break apart families to sustain The Collective.

And there's something new in ST: Picard S3 that is especially poignant, to the point where I wonder if the writers are secret Terfs or if the writers just didn't realize what they were doing. Spoiler alert for those who are planning to watch: Sorry I don't know how to hide the spoiler.

>! The Borgs assimilated everyone under 25. Dr. Crusher even said out loud the human frontal cortex is not fully developed until age 25. So the Borgs went after the young, because their minds could be manipulated. We got a visual image of what happens when this ultimate evil force took over all the young! And they turn against the older adults who know what was happening.<!

I'm reminded here in the ST:TNG series, there were scenes of the Borgs assimilating human babies. The Trans movement is doing exactly that. Going after the younger and younger. Even 3 year olds must be affirmed.

Deanna Troi describe this whole thing as "an all encompassing darkness". That's what this whole trans movement is. An all encompassing darkness.

kalkazar13 #transphobia ovarit.com

PROPOSAL: The “TransTrans” Movement

[...]

Hear me out. If we played this right, we could turn their own weapons against them in a way that the “SuperStraights” never could. All we have to do is ask for “the same rights as transwomen,” which would include…

1. The right to our own spaces.

2. The right to call ourselves “lesbians,” and sleep with whoever we want WITHOUT being shamed for excluding certain groups from our dating preferences (like “translesbians” who don’t want to sleep with other “translesbians” etc.).

3. The right to claim spaces reserved for transwomen: I.e. invade “transwomen only” spaces, claim spaces reserved for transwomen in companies (while making sure to trumpet how we constitute “queer representation” for them), and so on and so forth.

You get the idea. I propose that we all take on “TransTrans” identities, which will all just be caricatures of the worst trans stereotypes we can possibly think of.

I also propose that we invade every online TRA space we can, and actively try to make them worse. Center ourselves in every conversation, attack everyone else over the dumbest “microaggressions” imaginable, pollute their interests by demanding “representation” in every disgusting pedophile anime that they enjoy etc. I invite you all to be creative in your approach 😈

We should also make our own subreddits, twitter accounts and discords. But we should also obviously try to take over THEIR subreddits and discords as well. Act all innocent like “Awm I wwewcome hewe? 👉🥺👈 uwu,” and then claim moderator positions and start banning everyone for no goddamn reason at all over the pettiest imaginable shit lmao.

We’ll also finally have an excuse to create lesbian-only spaces on certain websites, which I think we should exploit. E.g. create “TransTrans Lesbian” subreddits, where the “About” sections will all read like “This is a space for TransTrans Lesbians only! Pls no dirty cishets or halftrans ppl pls k thx 🤗.”

Creating some more generalized “TransTrans” subreddits/discords would also probably be in order. These will be “Safe Spaces” for us, where we’ll be able to post our own “before and after” photos without fear of judgment. In the first few images, we’ll be dressed up like normal.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: How do you respond to “but women are the ones supporting the trans movement”?

( WatcherattheGates )
Yeah, they truly are not wrong. I gotta tell you, this is what keeps me up at night. There would be zero trans victories without women being their handmaidens. I honestly do not understand it, and it makes me sick to my stomach.

( MarthaMMC )
The ones threatening rape, beatings & killing women are male, however they "identify". The ones posing with guns & bats are male. The billionaires, millionaires & corporate & government & academic & media & sports people who have power are males. The women are the chorus, not the main players. Let's be honest, if no men were pushing it, it wouldn't happen.

( pennygadget )
This reminds me of the joke from Dave Chappelle's special:

"If all the trans-women were Black dudes saying 'I feel like a girl'; the authorities would be like, 'shut up n---! Nobody cares how you fucking feel!'"

I imagine the same would be true if all the trans people were TIFs. Nobody would give a fuck if the whole gender movement was just a bunch of GNC girls whining about their boy souls

( feministdna )
Yes, this is so important. We can't start turning on other women for being responsible for any of this. There is no gray area. I'ts men. Men are violent, men are threatening violence against women in the name of "trans rights," men are pushing further and further into a world where it's socially acceptable to use violence women who disagree with them.

( danaseilhan )
"And a lot of women supported Johnny Depp too, doesn't make them right."

And I disagree that the trans movement would succeed if women didn't support it. The trans movement succeeds because men support it. Women support women's rights and the ERA (although at this point I want to see it made very specific), and we still don't have those.

( Jasper12 )
The trans movement wouldn’t have gained so much leverage if white liberal middle class women didn’t support it.

Most men know it’s BS but they know it’s not going to harm them. They just see severely mentally ill creepy men in dresses hiding behind rich white liberal women screeching about trans rights, back off and categorise it as a « woman » thing.

If the majority of left wing women in postions of power said no to this BS, it would have done and dusted at least five years ago.

cousinanger, neonbandit & IrishTheFrenchie #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans Women are Tourists

( cousinanger )
Yes, interesting.

One trans activist (think it was Stryker) argued that trans women are refugees to the Women's Country, and TERFs are like Trump, refusing to let them in. When I read that, I immediately thought that trans activists, at least, act not like refugees, but like colonisers and invaders, replacing laws with new ones (like what is citizenship based on if it is no longer on being born female), forcibly altering language (menstruators etc.), rewriting history (transing famous dead women) and, in general, taking over wherever they can do so (women's sports, liberal feminist organisations, what used to be women's studies departments).

I still think this is true, as trans men don't cause any waves in the Men's Country where they, indeed, do behave like refugees, just trying to fit in without asking that native men should be called penis people etc. But you do have a point in that many transitioning men do seem to act like tourists and never really learn what the natives' lives are like, picking only the bits that look like fun from the outside.

Also, it's true in a different sense, because the effects of estrogen therapy on men is much more easily and rapidly reversed than the effects of testosterone therapy on women, with the exception of possible breast development. So without surgery the transitioning experiences for female and male people are rather different in their permanent effects, though we might not yet know of all the longer-term medical effects on either group.

( neonbandit )
Refugees?! The Martyrdom complex never ceases to astonish. They're not refugees, they're tourists or at best obnoxious ex-pats who come over with all their (male) privilege and entitlement like a wealthy digital nomad giggling at how cheap everything is (for them earning US wages).

( IrishTheFrenchie )
Just noticed you said the same thing i did. TIMs are colonizers.

Elysian & WeekendZebra #transphobia ovarit.com

( Elysian )
What are trans rights?
We all know that they have all the rights that other people do, and yet they wish for more rights. When pressed, they are only able to respond that "trans rights are human rights", etc.

In my opinion, they cannot say what they actually want because what they want is not socially acceptable. It needs to be cloaked under the cover of vague "human rights". What they actually want is the following:

To see your 12 year old daughters' naked bodies in changing rooms;
To masturbate in women's lavatories;
To intimidate and cow women;
To have all the attention at all times;
To compel others' speech, respect and deference;
To speak on behalf of women;
To win all competitions;
To rape women in prisons;
To rape women in women's shelters;
To be praised for everything they do;
To be acknowledged as better than women in all things.
I cannot think of any other rights that they do not have that they could possibly be pushing for. Please add where you see fit.

( WeekendZebra )
What I see as universal in their group is the desire to be free from the social consequence of their actions. It reminds me of sovereign citizens, that they believe they can opt out of the rules or laws or social expectations of the world they are born into.

If I am part of the sovereign citizens, I can say that government didn't consult me before building the roads and requiring licenses to drive on them; and so I demand an exemption from being arrested for driving without a license.

If I am part of the gender ideology movement, then universe did not consult me and get my permission before making humans a sexually dimorphic species, and so I demand exemption from all the things that stem from biology.

It's individualism taken to the extreme, where the only rules that apply to you are the ones you make for yourself. Anyone who suggests that it is the broader community who holds the power to make rules or define words is an illegitimate oppressor who is violating your sovereign individual liberties. The idea that we need to take into consideration the other people who are negatively impacted by your behavior, such as other people on the road, or women who don't want to see your penis, that idea needs to be rejected because it restricts your sovereign liberty as an individual.

[...]

puppy_cat #dunning-kruger #transphobia ovarit.com

(Regarding an episode of “Bob's Burgers” where Louise researches Amelia Earhart)

I've always liked how Louise is seen as a bit of a tomboyish character and had a wide array of interests. I've especially liked it how she would speak out against girls not being allowed to do certain things that boys are allowed to do, and talk ahout how girls can look and do whatever they want to do (and insinuating they don't have to be boys to do so). I haven't watched this show for a decent while, but that was something that I've always enjoyed about her character, and I was even surprised it was allowed to say things like that anymore, with all the TRA garbage in the media today.

(Submitter’s note: she's apparently unaware that “Bob's Burgers” is a VERY trans-friendly show)

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

( drinkwater )
Because it's working. The end goal is pushing back against the progress the women's rights movement has made. And it's worked so well it's as if it was the plan all along.

( pennygadget )
Its not a coincidence that genderwoo exploded just as "metoo" was picking up steam and we almost got a female president. Things were finally getting better for women. And genderwoo was the perfect way to halt all that progress and suck the last vestiges of real feminism out of the left

( pennygadget )
My tinfoil hat theory is that the gender clinics and the fertility/surrogacy clinics are in cahoots. When young people render themselves sterile and/or unfit for pregnancy via radical hormone regimens, they'll need assisted reproductive technology if they want to have families in the future. So the IVF clinics will swoop in and offer to freeze their sperm or eggs (which costs a monthly fee) for future use. And then, if that's not an option, they can seek out egg/sperm donors and surrogates (which is an even more expensive service)!

( Novemberinthechair )
WEF. More money for big pharma. The destruction of western culture. Depopulation....sterilized kids can't reproduce. Greenies like that, since they think climate change should be reduced to the time before industrialization...which is near to impossible while humans walk the Earth. Killing women's rights.

Take your pick.

( freeradicalwoman )
My conspiracy theory-obsessed housemate insists that the satanic elite want to create a class of sex slaves that look like prepubescent children. Turns out he is right and that wasn't as koo koo as it sounded. He believes that most celebrities are caught up in some evil sex trafficking system and the super-rich & politicians are all deviant perverts who use sex slaves until they discard them and throw them away. Supposedly Anthony Bourdain witnessed a US congressman in such an act while in drag, and was murdered in Paris rather than committed suicide. All of that used to sound unbelievable. The fact that at least half of that is true is extremely alarming.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Gay couple insists they are a lesbian couple

( notsofreshfeeling )
No TiM is actually trying to pass.

( drdeeisback )
Of course not, if they actually passed they'd be treated like women and they know they wouldn't want that.

( SummerGrl )
I feel like there are only two possibilities here. One, they know they don't look like women. Two, they do know they don't look like women. If they don't know, then their perception of reality is skewed and this is mental illness. If they do know they don't look like women and are carrying on this charade that they are women, then they have malicious intentions for demanding that other people validate this deviant behavior.

( Kriegerin )
Like Aiden and Hayden in a "gay male" relationship and it's two tiny lesbians. How do they deal with the parts they're not attracted to though? Are gay men really into moobs/silicone chests on other men? I'm attracted to men myself and i can say a man with breast implants is repulsive to me.

Edit: wow lots of you know Aiden and Hayden irl lol

( Tortoisemouse )
My guess is they both have a sissification fetish.

And of course "being" a woman is the most degrading sissifying thing anyone could possibly be (/s)

So the moobs etc. are all part of the thrill and have nothing to do with actually being a woman (obvs).

Once you realise they're not aiming (or wanting) to be actual women, but only to be reductive cartoon-like porn-inspired approximations of """women""", it make sense. They're just men with a paraphilia and the hormones etc. are just part of an elaborate role-play/costume.

( ProxyMusic )
There were a pair of fellas like this in my old neighborhood in NYC some years ago. They started showing up at events for lesbians and using the women's rooms in local eateries and the women's locker room at the gym and pool they went to. It's one of the things that made me aware of how far gender identity ideology had gone in fucking up the heads of many of the LGB in the "LGBT" - and how many in the G today are now using gender identity and queer theory to fuck over and spit in the faces of the L (and the female portion of the B), and women and girls generally.

( Killer_Danish )
AGP perverts being perverts. God I miss the days where dudes like this had shame and kept their fetishes limited to weekend orgies and sex-dungeons.

BondiBlue & Rheya #transphobia ovarit.com

Robert Kennedy Jr does not support trans women in female sports

( BondiBlue )
So of course the Dems declared there would be no debates. The last thing they want is for Grandpa Joe to actually have to defend his abhorrent record of institutionalizing this madness as not only a domestic but foreign policy priority.

He's got my vote on this alone. I honestly don't give a shit he's an antivaxer. COVID is yesterday's news and the Democrats cannot credibly claim to be the party of trusting science. Heck, with "transablism" and critical disability studies shaping up to be the new "civil rights" frontier, I give it a few years before the mainstream party starts lauding #PolioPride as a protected identity anyway, like they've done with deafness, Down syndrome, "neurodiversity"... Might as well get ahead of the game!

( Rheya )
Right? If I have to choose between wacky beliefs, I’ll take his vaccine views over gender ideology. One is skepticism of the overly-cozy links between government and pharmaceutical companies, and the other is essentially a religious belief about gendered souls being used to decimate women’s rights and child safeguarding and our collective sanity and our connection to truth. No contest for me.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Dating App HER Suspended from Twitter after Insulting Lesbians

( Miss_Andrist )
The funny part of this whole thing is that if the TERFs all actually left, so would the TIMs. I deleted the app because even though there were a few women looking for women, I felt like I was being used as bait to attract TIMs to the app. No thanks.

Let them match up with each other. Even the “inclusive” “queer” women only virtue signal about dating TIMs, anyway. What you have left is basically Grindr but for TIMs. They can all join each other’s femmegirl, mentally-ill, sex obsessed, anime, polycules and pretend like they are having lesbian sex while seething that no one except other perverts will actually go near them. It’s the fate these colonizing assholes all deserve.

Edit: And they are back! I love the low engagement their tweets have. They suggest that we make a TERF dating app. I’d love that, but the TIMs would be desperate to get in before the app even launched. Cope harder losers. NO ONE WANTS YOU. 🖕

( Penthesilea )

They suggest that we make a TERF dating app

Club Monocle exists! And Giggle. But when TIMs get wind of these apps, they do shit like try to sue to be included. They don’t actually want us to have our own spaces when it comes down to it. Men can’t stand being excluded, ever.

( pennygadget )

The funny part of this whole thing is that if the TERFs all actually left, so would the TIMs.

This! If some TERFs went off and started a real lesbian dating app, the TIMs would immediately try colonizing it. It wouldn't matter if they had plenty of straight handmaidens on Her willing to LARP as lesbians give them a pity fuck. They get off on violating lesbian boundaries

( FutureBreedMachine )
Isn't that precisely what happened with Giggle?

( shewolfoffrance )

I felt like I was being used as bait to attract TIMs to the app. No thanks.

If that was a deliberate strategy to expand their customer base, it's an incredibly stupid, short-sighted one. Any man who wants to get into a specifically female space is the kind of man who will alienate all but the most diehard handmaidens with his aggressive behavior.