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puppy_cat & princess_toots #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: They weren't gonna say gay, anyway!
(submitters niote: regarding Floridas "Don't say gay"-bill)

( puppy_cat )
They lie and use this language very purposefully, just like when they say "they're banning trans healthcare for children!" or even better, "they're banning healthcare for trans kids!!" Then people start to assume, just as they've been lead to be, that what is being banned are kids being able to get checked out for any medical problem at all. Rather than saying what it is: sterilization of minors, cutting off healthy organs of minors, etc.

Of course it's all the nonsensical gender and fake sexuality stuff that we don't want to be forced on little kids. But because most people would probably not care if a teacher mentioned in passing they are gay, and that this seems to be a preposterous bill that is getting passed if so, they push hard to make it seem like what everyone is against is simply a gay teacher teaching math or whatever. Instead of all the bullshit that's actually happening.

I volunteered at a middle school (10-13 year olds) only a few years ago, and I walked by giant posters on the walls talking about all the "nonbinary genders" and "pansexuality" and whatever else. And that is preteens, almost teenagers. They want this stuff to be taught as young as what, 3-4 years old? Why? What is the end goal?

( princess_toots )
Exactly this. And most people are so under-informed on the issues, they read "denying health care for trans kids" as denying basic care, whereas what's really going on is protecting kids from elective, non-medically necessary prescriptions, procedures, and even surgeries that they can't properly consent to and aren't backed by peer-reviewed science.

The bill was never about teachers saying they're gay. Teachers can mention their partners in passing, that's been happening for year. Heck, we used to pester our teachers about their boyfriends/girlfriends. The bill is designed to protect against teachers enabling kids or encouraging gender issues, particularly without parental consent.

IrishTheFrenchie & VeggieAnnie #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: They weren't gonna say gay, anyway!
(submitters note: regarding Floridas "Don't say gay"-bill)

( IrishTheFrenchie )
The worst part about using "Don't Say Gay" as "opposition" is that the left has, whether on purpose or not, directly pitted gay rights against parental rights.

Parents: "We think it's inappropriate to teach 5-8 year olds explicit sexual material, gender ideology, or any sexual orientation, or to keep any conversations had with our children about these subjects a secret, or to keep from parents if our child "identifies" as a different sex."

TRAs/politicians: "WHY DO YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE???!!!!"

The bill has NOTHING to do with gay rights, or being gay, or losing freedom as a gay person, yet because of this stupid slogan, it's now accepted in people's minds that if you support the rights of parents to know what their VERY SMALL CHILDREN are learning in school, and that schools must not medicate/trans your children without your knowledge, or teach gender/sex ed without your knowledge, then you despise gay people and want their rights taken away.

This is a MAJOR PROBLEM for the LGB community (and the left in general) because now parents around the country are associating all that perversion and subversion (aka grooming) being taught in schools with gay people.

If a regular normie parent hears that they have to choose between their kids or gay rights, what do you think most people will choose? Especially when they've pretty much been (falsely) told by the left that all the perverted sex ed/trans shit being taught to kids comes from gay people?

This is a disaster for the LGB community and it's solely the fault of politicians trying to "dunk" on the right by screaming "Don't Say Gay"! whenever a common sense parental rights bill comes up.

I'm so pissed they invented this false association, because it's going to stick in people's heads and it's not going to be pretty.

( VeggieAnnie )
Yes. Thank you for unpacking it all and making it explicit, where I had just made a quick post.

The extreme left is behaving as if they just want to teach "some kids have two dads." But they don't. They want to teach queer/trans/furries/introductory porn/etc. And by lumping all that under the word "gay," they are giving people the impression that homosexuals are perverts. Just as you point out. […]

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Very disturbing video promoting the 'joy' and 'freedom' of Top Surgery. "Top surgery is for everyone!"

( La_Terfa )
The idea behind this is that the female body is inherently disgusting or shameful, and if you mutilate it to resemble a moid body a little, that's freeing and beautiful. It's genuinely offensive.

( Carthimundia )
They never stop to think why women aren't allowed to be outside topless, why we can't walk around showing our chests...it's because patriarchy has said our bodies are obscene so we can't expose them. It's so fucked up that their solution to this is to AMPUTATE BODY PARTS in order to fit in, rather than changing the arbitrary rules which says women can't go topless.

I know a few women in real life who have amputated their breasts, and they talk about freedom a lot too. They can now go on the beach and not worry about the male gaze, or run without buying expensive sports bras. It's heartbreaking. Their natural bodies are conceived of them as a cage, as a fetter, as an inconvenience.

( hmimperialtortie )
If it’s for “everyone” push it for the TIMs with moobs.

( kalina )
yeah, if its for everyone then why are 100% of the people who get it female?

( JACKANDJILL )
Just out of curiosity, I wonder how much money is made every year installing fake breasts and how much money is made every year removing real breasts.

I know people learning to be comfortable with themselves generates zero dollars.

( pennygadget )

out of curiosity, I wonder how much money is made every year installing fake breasts and how much money is made every year removing real breasts.

They must be making bank. Before this trans nonsense took over, mastectomies were only done in women who were older or sick due to cancer. And women who wanted one for a non-illness reason (ie breast reduction to fix back pain) were often denied. Now we have a crop of healthy young girls demanding mastectomies and healthy young men demanding implants. And insurance will cover these entirely cosmetic procedures because they're meant to "fix dysphoria"

La_Terfa , crodish & homosuperior #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

(La_Terfa )
Fuck moids, they can solve their own little pathetic problems. They could do it very easily, in fact, since most of their problems are their own creation. Women's issues are a thousand times worse, and they're not our fault, they're all of the abuse we suffer from others due to our biology and bodies.

And in the case of TIFs harassing gay dudes, well, gay men already tell them to fuck off with no repercussions, because society respects men's dignity.

And no, I don't "support" men in anything except being quiet.

( crodish )
I'm fine with men's spaces being "invaded" by females because 1) maybe then they'll finally fucking understand why it's a big deal to us 2) TIFs are going to pose VERY little threat to them regardless of the fact 3) men need to start being more responsible for their class as a whole.

Women are already fighting against men in female spaces, women who argue that men SHOULD be in our spaces (fuck you Emma Watson), and we're probably going to be asked and blamed for women in men's spaces, too. Women's fault for everything while the men just pile on, rules of misogyny, etc. Tired of it.

I know there are some men fighting back already, both straight (Chris Billboard comes to mind, as do a bunch of conservative politicians and comedians) and gay (MrMenno is my favorite, and most of the others who are normally allies with "GC" TIMs on twitter), and that includes the few men on here as well, but there needs to be more. MORE.

At the same time I am concerned that most of the men I see standing up against gender ideology are the same men who believe homosexuality is sinful and that women should go back to the kitchen and that abortion is murder. Sigh. Fuck this earth

( homosuperior )
I almost agree, except for two reasons: I have an autistic brother who cried when he saw two men pretending to be women the other day, and was confused why they were “lying”. If he was in a men’s bathroom and a girl walked in pretending to be a man, I know him, he’d refuse to use a bathroom in public again. And secondly, I’m worried of the safety of young TIFs. I identified as a TIF, but I never used men’s facilities (never medically transitioned either), because I’ve been sexually assaulted by a man in a bathroom. [...]

crodish & bannedrui_resin #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: the trans healthcare dilemma
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( crodish )
Ooooh I really don't like this insidious comparision.

The single person is a detrans person. The one on the tracks are "eggs" or trans people.

They present it as a "you're killing all trans people just for the one detrans person who said this is bad! Get rid of the detrans person instead, it's only one!" When in actual reality we are trying to derail the whole fucking train altogether so that no one on either track has to die.

The train is gender ideology. The train is the problem. It is full of scientists who suddenly have no idea what chromosomes and gametes are and medical practitioners who want to make bank off of confused children and vulnerable youth and adults.

( bannedrui_resin )
Or how about this scenario: There are ten children with sexual or social trauma, internalised misogyny or homophobia on the tracks. If you don't pull the lever, trans activists and medical professionals will groom them into believing that their rational unhappiness is an innate identity that can only be fully realised with devastating surgery and drugs, while simultaneously encouraging a mentality of victimhood and the delusional belief that everyone who knows the difference between men and women is a fascistic bigot who is out to get them, perhaps especially their own parents.

On the other side of the tracks are an unknown number of redditors with a paraphilia for roleplaying womanhood. If you pull the lever and do not allow the children to be medically interfered with, nine of them will find another, healthier way to cope and one will join the roleplayers. Also, the roleplayers will experience a second of doubt about whether man made stereotypes of femininity based on subordination, objectification and humiliation constitute a truly authentic identity, and whether literally every single women they ever meet is just pretending to believe they're a "real woman" and is just too afraid to be honest. But only a second. They'll recover rapidly. All of them will be able to get whatever cosmetic surgery they want because they're adults.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Creepy r/MtF thread about wanting to skinwalk the women they're attracted to
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( hontrapoints )
This is seriously the creepiest shit ever. They really have no reservations about violating women's boundaries.

I've known several TIMs throughout my life. The idea that there is even the slightest possibility one may have considered skin walking me at any point makes me wish I were dead. The simple idea feels almost violating at a core level.

( Carrots90 )
Do not ever turn it on yourself. It’s not you that needs to be gone.

Just use biologically correct pronouns.

Supposedly that just invalidates them off into some other dimension.

( bellatrixbells )
Yesterday I was scrolling a thread where a bunch of scrotes and handmaidens were asking every dissenting woman if she'd ever met a TIM. I was like... Honestly dude IRL I've only met and actually interacted with, like, seven or eight and all of them creeped me out at the most intimate level. Pretty sure those who say "you've obviously never met a twans wimin" are the ones who never have. 😒

( puppy_cat )
I live in a pretty liberal area and somehow have had freakish luck with running into or seeing many (like at the very least 30+ of them over a good 6+ years). One of the first I remember was for some reason the friend of a girl I worked with in retail when I was younger (like maybe around 16 years old) and this guy would come in the store wearing miniskirts (wish I could unsee it) and talk to her and me, and ask for us to all "hang out". He was probably, at the very least, 40 years old. I've never met any TiMs that weren't creepy or fetishistic, or outright pedophiles (personally know 2 men who were outed as pedophiles and then suddenly "transitioned"). And the ones I didn't have any relationship with who were just strangers or worked in stores I was going into all acted unwell, too.

( puppy_cat )
I have actually had a man online tell me that I'm the reason he's "transitioning". He was a complete stranger that wrote to me on social media and had apparently stalked my photos for a while (I wasn't even aware I had some of my settings on public). He said it "took him a while to figure out if he just was very attracted to me or wanted to be me" and "found out it was both, but moreso wanting to be me". These men are unhinged.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Handwringing over “Don’t Say Gay” bills
( Marmorsymphata )
The establishment Right is getting what they wanted unfortunately. If only the left had a single clue that they're fulfilling bigots' wildest dreams by advocating all the things that used to be fake fearmongering stereotypes about the LGB in the form of transsexualism in children. It has somehow against all laws of reality come to pass that yes, extremists ARE converting children. Extremists ARE telling children to hide interactions with their teachers from their parents. Extremists ARE harming children's health with profane advice like binding. They ARE trying to expose little girls to little boys.

It really feels like the Earth got sucked into a wormhole somewhere between 2012 and 2016 and now we've landed in Bizarro world.

( Laila_Salem )
So the Mayan prophecy about the world ending in 2012 had some truth to it after all!

( mountainwitch )
It's really scary to be seeing this shift in the left. I now consider myself more center-aligned than left at this point, because the left is so far out of whack and doesn't even seem to understand basic reality. I was raised to be extremely liberal but the Id-pol cancer has eaten away at the left so much that there is nothing recognizable or tangible within their "goals".

Republicans have always been crazy but at the very least they are focused on reality. That's why they have been so successful whenever they get into power. None of this sidestepping and handwringing that leftists do whenever faced with policy or enacting change. I hate to say it but those damn rightwing nutjobs get shit done, evil as it may be.

( aerialstrike )
It's absolutely ludicrous to promote transsexualism and homosexuality at the same time because they're completely antithetical to one another. Transsexualism was originally invented as a way to "fix" homosexuals, and now they're considered to be the same thing ("LGBTQ++") and this shit is going on where conservatives leverage homophobia and liberals (or what centrists pass for "liberal" in the U.S.) are too braindead to notice what's going on, or simply don't care because they don't have a clue about what transsexualism truly is. Apparently there's no room for analysis between "traditional heterosexualist gender roles" and "everyone be free to express your damaged identities!"

Coffeefiend & carpetplaydohx2 #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TIMs suffer far more than we cis women could ever possibly imagine

( Coffeefiend )

Sure we can't get periods which are apparently the worst thing ever even though I'd murder I friend to be able to have them.

Creepy and unhinged skinwalkers. You whiny scrotes couldn’t handle the debilitating pain of conditions like endometriosis. Fuck off.

Also, we have the highly exaggerated “harassment, violence, discrimination” bullshit they always spew even though women experience all of that too and have since childhood. And the whole “we are more at risk for violence than anyone else” notion is such a blatant lie anyway. These scrotes are utterly insufferable, solipsistic morons.

I mean between the fact that my fertility is the luck of the draw, getting called the wrong gender, (even by my parents) and the fact that I cant even use the bathrooms I prefer because either

Oh no! The horror of getting called the “wrong gender” and “not being able to use the preferred bathroom!” Delusional males who choose to take toxic hormones and butcher their bodies have it so much worse! Here’s a medal for the first place winners of the Oppression Olympics. 😞


( carpetplaydohx2 )

Also, we have the highly exaggerated “harassment, violence, discrimination” bullshit they always spew even though women experience all of that too and have since childhood.

Exactly -- they have the fucking privilege of being able to go back into "boy mode" whenever and wherever they want and can walk safely, live safely, BE SAFE and it costs them absolutely nothing. Meanwhile, I am a woman with no "get out of woman free" card that I can use whenever I want to opt-out of oppression or "boy mode" that I can slip on and off at the drop of a hat so I can go stealth when my womanhood is a literal risk to my life or wellbeing.

That's not even counting the number of ways that I've been shortchanged since birth simply because I was born with a female reproductive system rather than a male one.

They can fuck right back off with this and go play oppression Olympics elsewhere. These spoilt white men are not oppressed.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Women can be strip-searched by trans officers who were born male, say police

( sarstan )
This is so wrong. No. The man knows he's a man and he knows you know he's a man. This is a severe violation of women's rights. This is state sanctioned sexual assault against women. This cannot be allowed.

( WhatTheBlazes )
This is state sanctioned sexual assault against women.

EXACTLY!

( SecondSkin )
The police, NHS and schools have created a triad of rights violations that have waved this in by stealth.

The people whose job it is to safeguard us have been throwing away safeguarding. Throwing away safeguarding is a predatory act.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
It's not even an accident, like a lot of safeguarding gaps. This is deliberate.

( IronicWolf )
I’m also concerned about policewomen (and female prison officers) who will be targeted by fetishists and forced to perform intimate searches on men.

( VestalVirgin )
This plays right into their plans - because the policewomen can kinda opt out of being routinely sexually assaulted by TIMs by not becoming policewomen. Soon we will be back to an all-male police, where some men pretend to be women and get to legally grope actual women under the guise of searching them.

( Califasauros )
Yes, imagine the autogynephile's glee at a female police officer being required to intimately search his nether bits....

( bellatrixbells )
"Oh, I'm sorry Tiffany McTits, I forgot to wash my hands after eating hit sauce and cayenne pepper!!!"

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

(IrishTheFrenchie)
Fighting TRAs with their own medicine.

I'm so fed up with being called "cis" by these people that I'm now reporting every single person who does it for "misgendering".

I tell them I'm not "cis" because I don't have a gender and don't believe in gender, and they then try and call me "agender" AND claim I'm still "cis".

Fight them with fire, throw their own words right back at them. It's LitERaL viOLeNcE to be misgendered, so they get reported.

( Lipsy )
"you call me cis, i call you transvestite"


( XX_Power )
I mean i call them crossdressers no matter what they call me. Even the friendliest and most feminine TIM I'd call a man because he is a man. Womanhood is not something we give to less violent and less vile crossdressers.


( Lipsy )
oh absolutely. But... like... in the States at least, "transvestite" is one of those words like "Negro", "oriental", etc. that throws a whole bunch of extra shade because it's been retired (for decades) and replaced by more socially acceptable words. 😂 It's not the epitome of classy, but, i mean, "cis" so whatever.


( Boudicaea )
Transvestite was never a slur. It's an accurate term. I mean yeah some people used to use it in the same breath as qu**r, but they were just generally homophobic. It's still the correct term. I feel that crossdresser is more slur like, but even then it's just an accurate term.

[...]


( Boudicaea )
Oh, I see what you mean. I guess that makes sense, although I would say negro and oriental are both intended pejoratively. There are worse words, but also there are better words that can be used (although I think negro originally was a respectful alternative to much worse terms, so it is a pretty good analogy). I don't know that there's anything more respectful that you can call a trans person without being inaccurate. They aren't the sex they claim to be and no one is truly "trans" in the way they mean it. But you can cross dress or have SRS. shrug

I do see what you mean though. I think trans people find these terms offensive mostly because it means not using their preferred terminology that denies reality.

( XX_Power )
Oh my that's how I know I live in a conservative space, transvestite is maybe not fashionable but it's absolutely not even close to a slur. Probably what my older colleagues would call them. And now also me ;)

Various Commenters #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

'I don't want facial hair': Transgender girl, eight, has sleepless nights about growing up as a boy | UK News | Sky News

( hmimperialtortie )
Learn to shave like every other bloke does, kid.

( Lipsy )
Shit, girl... learn to shave like lots of Women with PCOS do!

of course I rlly shouldn't point out things like this that might make their specific choices of first-world problems seem less unique and special and totally individual—especially not with Most Special Of All Non-Binary type people, who have already been genocided an average of 5.2 times each. Such a bad habit SMDH

( VestalVirgin)
Or learn to shave like lots of women who don't even have PCOS but the wrong kind of genes do.

I grew up thinking that in exchange for having to deal with periods, I at least wouldn't have to shave.

Yeah, well. That was a rude awakening in my early twenties. Unlike this boy, I didn't even have time to get used to the idea.

( XX_Power )
No it's way easier to sterilize him and cut off his dick.

( hmimperialtortie )
Ain’t that the truth.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: TiMs rage about "cis men" "slapping the trans label" onto themselves to "feed their degradation fetish"

( WTMatterHere )
“OMG your ETA is on point. The trans label isn't something you can slap onto your self to feed your degradation fetish.”

Actually I’d say that’s often exactly what it is.

( Mandy )
And yet they can't see this is exactly why they can't be allowed inside women's protected spaces. If they really identified with women and not simply as women they would want the most vulnerable women to have every protection possible.

"just a little upsetting when I find a crossdresser who passes better than I do..." I'm sure it is. Women can't tel you guys apart by looking. We can't tell which ones are using us as props in their fetish and which of you are nice guys who just want to pee.

( Owlchaser )

We can't tell which ones are using us as props in their fetish and which of you are nice guys who just want to pee.

What, you can't see their magical pink gender aura?

( hmimperialtortie )
Almost always, I’d say.

( Califasauros )
Interesting. Presumably, non-autogynephilic female-identifying males are sick of being lumped under the same label as fetishistic cross dressers....males who don't see cross dressers as trans.

Well, these upset female-identifying males had better have a conversation with the powerful gender identity lobby, letting it know that cross dressers don't belong in their "trans" demographic.

I'm sure that that will turn out real well for them...after all, the gender identity lobby lives to listen to vulnerable members of demographics it purports to support (LOL - sarcasm, of course).

Just look how well the lobby has treated women, adult human females.🥺

actualdyke , BlankandPitiless & hmimperialtortie #kinkshaming ovarit.com

I do NOT consent to be a part of your kink
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( actualdyke )
the REAL tea is they actually don't give a shit about consent, they just make a big song and dance of it so that they can't be held accountable for their actions. like 'yeah actually it's totally fine that i gagged bound & beat my girlfriend, bc we have a safe word and she didn't use it so obviously she consented :)'. another thing: the entire purpose of the safe word is so that they can ignore 'no', 'stop', 'enough', 'get off me' etc and feign ignorance, bc they know that in moments of fear and panic it'll be almost impossible to remember the extremely specific safeword. "oh but you didn't say 'pasta napolitain with extra olives' so🤷‍♂️"

( BlankandPitiless )
I was in San Francisco once during some sort of massive kink street parade (Folsom Street Parade). Fetish gear, furries and penises galore. I hoped an asteroid would hit. I had no idea this was going on so completely against my will I had to be subjected to dozens of penises. At the time it just seemed so ridiculous that we were supposed to celebrate men acting out their sexual fetishes in public. I think this was the first time I started to think that conservatives weren't so wrong about liberals. Like this wasn't progressive, it's a symptom of moral decay and it's a slippery slope.

( hmimperialtortie )
I saw this sort of shit too, at the Melbourne Pride March over twenty years ago.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( crodish )
I still haven't heard an actual explanation as to why saying "a transwoman is a man" is hateful.

It's the truth. Your shame of being male and/or your discomfort of your own body does not entitle you to overwrite material reality. There is nothing wrong with being a feminine man, a flamboyant man, a man who likes dresses, a man who likes pink, etc. It does not make you a woman.

"It's not hate to state the truth"!

( kalina )
its hateful to them because they want you to play along with their fantasy and you refuse. Refusing to play along with anything a man wants = literal violence

( jeannedeaux )
It is the rage of a cockblocked man.

Testosterone is both a man's aggression hormone and his arousal hormone. And now you know why they get so angry when they're horny and someone tells them No.

I'm not sure how aware most men are of that connection. I like to think some are and therefore control the anger better. But that's not most TIMs. And it's just another sign that this is a fetish to them. If their sexuality weren't tangled up in it, they would probably be a lot more rational when they run into resistance.

( jeannedeaux )
Also, when a TIM gets offended that you called him a man, he's literally saying it's bad to be a man, that "man" is a slur. Social media should be banning them for saying that, not us for saying they're men. If we didn't live in Wackyland.

( real_feminist )
I would be careful about making this argument to a TRA. The obvious comeback is that it's hateful to call someone fat even if it's true. Of course, it's not the same because being fat is stigmatized in our society and rarely necessary to point out and being a man is not. Just be careful with your wording on that one if you share that thought elsewhere.

( crodish )
If a fat person asked me to pretend they were thin and healthy, like the HAES movement, I would absolutely call it out.

I'm not obliged to be kind to clearly deluded people.

IrishTheFrenchie , Hollyhock & SakuraBlossoms #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Cis women are experts at victimising themselves"

( IrishTheFrenchie )
First they silence the lesbians with TERF.

Then they silence all women with “Karen”.

And suddenly there’s very little opposition to male sexual perversions. It’s genius really. They learned a lot since their failure to incorporate pedos in the LGB movement in the 70’s.

( Hollyhock )
I can't remember if I was talking about this w/ you recently, but the Karen thing was a legitimate way for Black women to express frustration over white women who treated them like shit and used their institutional power (to call police and be believed/call manager to complain) to be discriminatory towards Black women.

But then the TRAs realized the brilliance of co-opting this because white women in the US at least DO have more institutional power/money/access/platforms, so if you shut up white women, you lose a LOT of feminist power that could have helped stop this train of gender bs. I'm not denying there are issues w/ white women's issues getting more press than Black, Hispanic, Native, Asian women's issues in feminism, but this was a brilliant strategy by the TRAs to divide us and shut us up. But if you have the power to shut up the more privileged of women, what kind of message is that to women without the same means? It's a power move by the TRAs.

( SakuraBlossoms )
Yeah big switcheroo from black women using it to describe their experiences of racism vs. white men using it as a synonym for "b*tch"

( IrishTheFrenchie )
I don't think it was me, but I did read that post and it makes perfect sense.

TRAs are parasites. They co-opt everything and deceptively apply it to themselves.

( SakuraBlossoms )
And of course using the term "cis" invented by the self-proclaimed "pedosexual" to silence women as the privileged oppressors of men. It's a huge testament to the power of language and labeling. These slippery dogs actually managed to convince people that sexually perverse men are being oppressed... by women. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

girl_undone & BiologyIsReal #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Terf Tr*nny Alliance" ...?

( girl_undone )
Great post and conversation starter, OP.

I have nothing in common with men who larp as women, we have no "womanhood" in common. It's an offensive notion. I have more affinity with normal men than full-time fetishistic parodies. I don't understand what we're supposed to have in common.

I identified as a gender abolitionist long before I ever heard of radical feminism. It's why I couldn't manage to jive with trans ideology. Being a gender abolitionist has nothing to do with propping up men who pretend to "be" women and demand resources from us and violate our boundaries. That's very typical, gendered, entitled male behavior in my opinion.

( BiologyIsReal )
Making special exeptions for some men is what started all this mess in first place. Imo, women who keep doing this again and again are shooting themselves in the foot. I don't understand why some women still believe transgenderism is a new madness that came from nowhere and that in the old days there was proper "gatekeeping" and sanity prevailed.

Ultimately, a man cannot became a woman not matter how many cosmetic surgeries he undergoes, or how much exogenous hormones he takes, or how much effort and money he puts in "passing". The first moment people started treating some men as some sort of "honorary women" because they were supposedly "transsexuals", they abandoned any biology based definition of women and, gradually, more and more social and legal concessions were made. Likewise, "transition" of minors likely wouldn't be a thing today if society hadn't accepted first that some people are really "trans" and that "medical transition" was an appropriate and needed treatment for such adults despite the lack of evidence that it works.

femlez34 & Califasauros #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

RE: What is the response people are looking for when they say they are “non binary”?

( femlez34 )
I think women say it thinking it's a magical spell to prevent people from treating them like women, aka sexually harassing them, talking over them in the work place, etc. It doesn't work though, everyone can see that they're female. Even within the trans community there is so much sexism directed at non-binary women and TIFs from TIMs, who have the gall to suggest these women have "male privilege".

To me as a lesbian, it's a signal that I don't want to date or befriend this woman because I can't stand all the drama that comes with it. Half of them want to be called lesbians while the other half are outraged if you call them one, and they refuse to give you any clues on this stuff, you're expected to be psychic. Many of them now aren't even androgynous or gender non-conforming. They're women who are all dolled up with tons of makeup and high heels, acting outraged that anyone calls them "she" or "ma'am". Then you have TIMs on the other side throwing a public fit if someone doesn't see their wonky eyeliner and assume that they want to be called "she" (see gamestop trans). Which is it?!?

As for your last question, no it has nothing to do with being "bi". "Bi" is an abbreviation for "bisexual". Anyone can be a bisexual, and many non-binary people are not bisexual, a lot of them are straight or gay. Sometimes the straight or bi ones call themselves "queer" instead, because you have to admit to having a gender yourself to use straight or gay.


( Califasauros )
This makes a lot of sense. For girls and women trying to escape societal expectations of what it means to be a woman (including, and perhaps, most importantly, what it means to be a woman in extreme online porn made by men for men), taking on a non-binary identity is a step not quite as drastic as taking on the identity of a trans man. Of course, there are those enbies who are quite extreme...those who have smoothing surgeries to make genitalia less prominent, those who have surgeries to remove nipples as well as breasts, but I think their numbers are still very small.

pennygadget , TheDirtyYumejo & Stealthygal #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: The numbers of Trans Kids seen by Clinicians prior to 2005 was 0%

( pennygadget )
This is exactly why diagnosing trans people (including children) is based in blind, unquestionable affirmation (which isn't done with ANY other physical or mental disorder). Its not about properly diagnosing and treating patients. Its about getting people (primarily young people) on the transgender conveyor belt towards a lifetime of dependence on expensive drugs, surgeries, therapy, reproductive technology & surrogacy to replace their annihilated fertility, etc


( TheDirtyYumejo )

which isn't done with ANY other physical or mental disorder

The amount of hypocrisy is unreal. I guarantee if a schizophrenic person said they were the queen of Africa (a patient my mum saw believed that) or some other identity, they'd be told they're delusional and to take their meds. If my OCD therapist did that affirmation bullshit they do with trans people, she'd be fired on the spot. Why treat one mental issue specially and not the others when it falls into the same category of delusion/dysphoria disorders??


( pennygadget )
At one of my old apartments, this crazy guy lurked around and told the women who lived in the building that God told him his future wife lived there and he needed to get married within the year. He was eventually chased away for good. But, according to the TRA treatment model, one of us girls should have taken one for the team and married him to affirm his identity as a married man.

( Stealthygal )
I wouldn't even care if they were affirmed without medication they'll need all their lives for a feeling.

HOWEVER.

I take medication to cope with my depressive feelings and I am happy to take it for life. What's a good comeback on that? For some trans people the physical risks are worth it. But should that extend to people who haven't stopped (or even started!l) growing yet?


( pennygadget )

I take medication to cope with my depressive feelings and I am happy to take it for life. What's a good comeback on that?

My comeback would be....

I assume you had to jump through some hoops to get that medication and didn't just waltz into a therapist's office and scream: "I'M DEPRESSED!!! GIMME [INSERT MEDICATION HERE]!!!"

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itsnotaboutewe , BogHag & La_Terfa #transphobia #enbyphobia #dunning-kruger #ableism ovarit.com

RE: Or maybe, just maybe, autistic people are 3x-6x more likely to be sucked into the trans cult...

( itsnotaboutewe )
Do boys who identify as NB ever do this or is it only females who feel the need to destroy their bodies to look sexless? A masculine-looking chest with small, flat nipples is a bit of a giveaway that they are male but I've never seen a male showing off his huge scar across his nippleless chest. Maybe, just maybe, they should do a bit of research on the way non-binary people are treated differently on the basis of their observed sex?


( BogHag )
I've seen a few male Nullo, but they're more interested in removing genitals. Not quite the same. There are some men though who want to remove their nipples to be extirely sexless.

I don't know how you see something like that and not immediately think childhood sexual trauma.


( La_Terfa )
It's literally only the females who are pushed into getting horrific surgeries within the transgender movement. They all poison themselves with wrong sex hormones, but the vast majority of TIMs keep their dicks, for example. On the other hand, to be a "trans man" you need to at least butcher your healthy breasts.

sconsolato #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Trans are the REAL suffragettes."

How can he even think this when they haven't even ever asked for their own spaces or accommodation? All they want is to take from women what we have established and fought for out of dire necessity. The delusion and self-pity, I swear!

On that note, It's absolutely insane that trans people haven't once campaigned for third spaces. With the political support they currently have, they would be given whatever they want in a heartbeat. What the Americans with Disabilities Act did for disabled folks, trans folks people would get that and more if that's what they wanted. It's a reasonable request for necessary accommodation. Unfortunately, third spaces would absolutely shatter their delusions of femininity by separating them from women. THIS is why they don't want their own bathrooms, sport teams, etc. It doesn't support their fetish. They'd rather put women at risk and strip us of our dignity so they can keep playing pretend and jerking their dicks to their GenderFeelz. Makes me sick.

various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Fridge horror: the consequences of rapists changing their legal sex on record

( SakuraBlossoms )
A rape kit would obviously show the victim was raped by a man. If the rape victim is able to provide a description of the rapist, they'll of course also mention that they were raped by a male, because they were. No one would think semen left behind at the crime scene came from a "female."

I would argue that forcing everyone to pretend that men are women is also an impediment to stopping rapists and other criminals. Imagine police asking a TRA if they saw any men leaving a crime scene at a certain time. Would they be so intent on pretending they didn't recognize the obvious male because he had a wig on that they wouldn't mention him, knowing that he could be a potential rape suspect?


( crodish )
Well of course no one would think the semen would come from a female. The problem comes when you have to go through the database and instead of narrowing it down to only males, you now need to search through "female" as well, because those males may or may not have already had their legal sex updated to read "female". It's just extra work and a waste of time for everyone involved.

I'm not super clear on which countries have completely allowed for this, or if it IS actually a thing atm, but imagine the scenario where a law says yep, don't bother keeping the change history on records, just update it to whatever and that's that.

( La_Terfa )
I hate TIMs even more than I hate moids.

Oh, yeah, they're moids.


( Nerdylesbian )
What's a moid?

(La_Terfa )
That's the correct, scientific term for "males".

Tortoisemouse #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Gender Descriptors Are Super Offensive as It Turns Out | by Rachel Bridgers | Apr, 2022 | An Injustice!

So much wrong with this article I don't even know where to start.

People who voted that "cis" was offensive "are the same people who called leftist “snowflakes that get offended by everything”".

I was one of those people voting on Twitter and I am a leftist.

This article assumes TWAW. If you start from the premise that this is true, then all sorts of conclusions flow logically from this starting point. But the author fails to comprehend that many of the people objecting to "cis" do so precisely because TW are not W (and TM are not M).

Of course if I assert "chairs are tables" then I can make all kinds of logical arguments based on that premise, and reach all kinds of conclusions, and many of them would be absurd.

And this BORING BORING fucking argument: "When I say I’m a white woman, are people offended by me saying I’m white? I’m simply stating a fact. No one attributes that to being a “subset” of my gender. It’s simply a ridiculous argument."

Yeah because white women are still women you idiot. TiMs are not women. That's the whole point.

This style of reasoning/arguing drives me insane because they are completely missing the point. The whole point is how you define woman. If you redefine it to include men then that's the ridiculous argument. But they sail past this bit, assuming TWAW is a "fact" (like the fact of a white woman being a woman) without acknowledging that disputing this fact is precisely what is at issue here.

There's no capacity or willingness to examine the statement TWAW. Instead a load of twaddle based on the premise that it's true. Fine to believe TWAW but be prepared to argue why you think this.

ARRRGHH SO STOOOOPIIIDDDDD.

(edited for own stupidity)

ArmedFemme #transphobia ovarit.com

What it feels like talking to a TRA

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spoilerPerson in front of the progress pride flag: “Republicans are wrecking human rights because they're not giving children sex damaging sterilizing hormones but not to mention that grown males are female if they get off to the idea of it and if you don't date them you're transphobic, let them in sports even if it makes real females uncomfortable because that’s #FEMINISM everything you said can be perceived as transphobic ageist ableist sexist homophobic or whatever else I come up with in the moment to discredit you without actually using an argument against you, hey by the way you have to go by queer now since it's inclusive and I don't care if it used to be a slur, grow up and deal with it, but also saying transsexuals and homosexual is literal violence and you need to ask for somebody's gender or assume it as they/them because that's inclusive, make every medical label in existence general even if it only affects males or females because they might not identify with their biology even if 99.5% of the rest do because the last thing you would want to do is trigger them.”
Person in front of the Labrys pride flag remains silent

SakuraBlossoms #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Female Jealousy versus Male Envy

This makes incredible sense. You have really opened my mind to an entirely new way of looking at this. TIMs are truly the utmost pinnacle of envy. Every single thing they feel has been "stolen" from them, literally everything on earth. No matter how horrible an experience is for a woman, we shouldn't be allowed to complain about it because some entitled fetishist envies it. Just today's Ovarit posts I saw--a man envying quinceañeras so much he stages one at 40, and then this insanity, a man... I'm honestly clueless. It's absolutely nuts. I've never seen this kind of envy in my life except from TIMs. It's basically incels channeling their envy they used to feel towards any man who had a girlfriend to instead envying absolutely anything and everything they were "entitled to" but were denied because they didn't get to pick their sex. It's a catch-22 though; the only way they are able to envy every aspect of womanhood like this is because they aren't women. If they had been born female they of course would not appreciate these things the way they think they would, because the irrational envy wouldn't have been there to begin with.

bellatrixbells #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans complains about the creepy crossdressing fetishists in their midst

This sounds a lot like another example of an autogynephile attempting to echo women's words and appropriate them to make himself feel more womanly, or to give credence to his movement.

I mean, let's break this down.

"What is up with some crossdressing fetishists persistently trying to insert themselves into trans people's (usually trans women's) spaces? And why is it usually older men who do this?"

What is up with some crossdressers persistently trying to insert themselves into opposite sex people's (especially women's) spaces? And why is it usually straight, older men who do this?

"I'm not usually one to kink shame (even though I find this particular fetish to be pretty misogynistic, the whole "sissy slut" thing), but it feels really gross and disrespectful to me."

Yeah, because dressing up as a woman (whatever that even means) and entering non consenting women's safe spaces isn't misogynistic, gross and disrespectful. It's only misogynistic, gross and disrespectful to TIMs if the man in question is an older fetishist.

"I get people and mods trying not to be gatekeep-y, but why does this sort of thing seem to be more tolerated than chasers?"

Because the whole premise of the trans movement is autogynephilia and the destruction of women's boundaries? Chasers harass men (TIMs), while TIMs "only" harass women. Of course the TIMs who have taken over women's spaces specifically to prevent any sort of gatekeeping will care about limiting chasers, but not autogynephiles. Doing so is antithetical to the entire trans movement which claims that anyone claiming a "female gender identity" should unquestioningly get to enter women's spaces.

"Fetishizing the trans experience, in a trans space no less is gross. It's gross when chasers do it, it's gross when other people do it too."

Dude, fetishizing and appropriating women's (and gay men's!) experience, in a female only, feminist, or gay men's space, is gross (and don't even get me started on lesbians!!). It's gross when crossdressers do it, it's gross when other people do it too. Even the poow widdle HSTS.

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actualdyke , Feminist_Username & UnknownBeignet #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: 'HER' - a (previously) lesbian dating app now has 'Terf Control'

( actualdyke )
lol they'd literally rather kick out wrongthinking women than actual males off of the app meant for women. i jumped ship on HER yearssss who when i realized the app was mostly men, but this is a new low lmao. I would pay to see the TIMs' faces when they eventually realize theyve run all the women off the app and now they're all the options are other men like them.


( Feminist_Username )
It'll be like Ashley Madison where there aren't any organic female users and the company just makes fake profiles to keep the men interested. It's exactly what they deserve and it's not like they know what a woman is anyway lol so they probably won't mind


( UnknownBeignet )
I mean, I'm also ok with the TIMs getting scammed by bots

( Feminist_Username )
Lmao. Look how long it took them to figure out they're the only ones posting and commenting on reddits "lesbian" subs. Years. Their entire movement flies in the face of reality, they're always the last ones to notice their own grossness and they have the disposable income to make themselves the perfect target for this kind of scam.

I genuinely feel bad for lesbians though. All I feel like I can do is keep calling it out when I see it.

( actualdyke )
haha yup they have no idea what a woman is until it's time to date one - Then they're just as dick exclusionary as us good ol terfs

SakuraBlossoms #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: How do you react when you see TIMs overtly dehumanize women?

If they saw female experiences as human experiences, they wouldn't be trans. The entire foundation of their cult belief system is that there is some "feeling" that ~3.9 billion women share that is separate from the feeling that ~3.9 billion men share. If they saw women as equally human to men, they'd understand we're just normal people living our lives who happened to be born one of the two sexes. They'd know there is no way to copy us or identify into our group because being a woman goes no further than that. This is why I don't bother trying to see past differences with TIMs. The sexism and dehumanization is guaranteed if someone thinks woman is a feeling rather than a sex.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

(sicktodeath)
The Russian soldiers who are raping little girls in Ukraine sure seem to know what makes us female.
I lost the link, but read on Twitter that girls under 10 are coming into the hospitals in Ukraine with rectal/vaginal tearing.

And of course older girls and women are also being raped regularly.

Turns out everyone knows exactly what it means to be a woman/girl when they want to rape us.

( Misssarcasm )
In my eyes the raped women and girls have it worse than the killed men.

I wonder what the many many "transwomen" say to this. If they feel jealous.

( omerta )
In war people expect women to be raped, it's just a a casual thing that happens as a result.

When it happens to men/boys, on the other hand, that's when it becomes an atrocity, a terrible human rights violation, etc. etc. because men are supposed to die with dignity during war while women suffer and are humiliated.

A non-passing TIM would be clocked and likely murdered, not raped, although many of them may fantasize about it. I don't think any passing TIM would be able to pass military fitness tests (would gain too much muscle) so that's not something they care much about.

( Snowy )
I have no doubt some of them actively fantasize about it.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
It's part of the perks of joining the military. It's been known for thousands upon thousands of years.

( pennygadget )

I wonder what the many many "transwomen" say to this. If they feel jealous.

They'd say: "Just tell the Russian soldiers you identify as a boy and that raping you would be gay!"

XX_Power ,crodish & BlackCirce #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: Male pattern behavior is male pattern behavior. A detrans label does not negate nor absolve that.

( XX_Power )
I mean they're deTRANS for a reason, at some point they saw the misogynistic clown show that is the trans movement and thought, wow, that really makes sense! Then his dick stopped working or he was "too ugly for a woman", or his AGP was getting boring and now he's back to being a super special misogynistic male.

I'm not about to slag off female detransitioners, from reading in their spaces most of them get that trans isn't anything and they just tried to run away from womanhood for any reason from hating dresses to severe sexual child abuse.

Now the males.... Some definitely get it. But most just seem to detrans because they hormones didn't transform them into a sexy catgirl lesbian of their dreams so they're bitter and disappointed but didn't actually stop believing in the insane ideology or even grasp the misogyny behind it.

But all these words to say: males be maleing

( crodish )
This detrans male has a history of being groomed in particular by female TRA and libfems and explains this as his reasoning for hating them as similar to how most radical feminists "hate" men.

I've not engaged with nor followed very closely the detrans twitter community, but from what I've seen of it (particularly after Detrans Awareness Day) it seems that within that community they are still very prone to TRA-like manners of thinking, and most of them just "upgraded" back to normal misogynists that acknowledge their sex, including most female detransitioners.

I'm cautious and worried that these people are simply just becoming a rebranded group that feminists will also have to defend themselves from. Sigh.

More worrying still is I think this male also took the advice to start his own community for other detrans males. Which... good for him, good job, but I can already foresee it becoming just another incel space but with the detrans label siiiiiigh


( BlackCirce )
Many (idk if it’s most) people blame feminists/feminism/women for trans. Some of them are angry and resentful that in order to be against trans, they have to share space with radical feminists, who have been fighting trans for over 40 years. They want to be anti-trans and anti-feminist at the same time, but find the political space occupied by a different group of feminists.

[...]

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: "Most transsexuals are AGPs" - true?

( Tortoisemouse )
Thanks for all replies.

Is it not the case that many TiMs are gay men with internalised homophobia and/or struggling with being gender-nonconforming? Presumably they wouldn't be AGP?

I don't know for sure but I would hazard a guess that most of the TiMs I see around campus are gay men. They are student age. But I guess I am only seeing a subsection of the demographic, as this is a University city.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
Those are the minority of TIMs.

Blanchard was quoted as saying he estimated 75% or so were AGP back when he did his research (so that’s back in 80’s-90’s). The number must be higher today.

( Ladylucy )
Do you think there more AGPs because the internet has normalized fetishes?

( IrishTheFrenchie )
I think it's normalized but I also think the increasing perversion in society and easier access to violent, degrading porn has played a role.

( LOriginedumonde )
One would think that there must be a negative correlation between gay acceptance and the prevalence of HSTS, and a positive correlation between gay acceptance and the prevalence of AGPs.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
Straight men in pursuit of orgasm are definitely more privileged and act more entitled than a gay man trying to escape homophobia.

( ProxyMusic )
But most gay men who adopt a cross-sex identity as a response to homophobia are also in pursuit of orgasm. Gay boys and men are just as much driven by the male libido and male pursuit of their own sexual pleasure as any bog standard straight guys are.

Moreover, gay boys and men who become TIMs are not necessarily "trying to escape homophobia." Their actions are partly or largely a way of responding to homophobia, yes, but responding to homophobia isn't the same as an attempt to escape homophobia. On the contrary, for the majority of gay guys who become TIMs, adopting an opposite-sex identity seems to be their way of caving to and thoroughly embracing homophobia.

Many gay TIMs with internalized homophobia also have lots of externalized homophobia too. They say and do many things that are overtly homophobic. Some celebrate their own homophobia towards gay guys who aren't TIMs and especially towards lesbians. Which is why it's so easy for them to find fellowship and solidarity with straight men with AGP.

Various Commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

(SycamoreLee)
Don’t give young TIMs a pass
I know it’s easy to be sympathetic towards dysphoric young TIMs but they can be just as creepy (if not even more so) than the older ones. The newest generations of TIMs have been raised on hardcore fetish porn and even more strictly enforced gender roles. They are even more openly depraved than the previous generations of TIMs and are unafraid of showing it. Just look at Twitter! Don’t give them a pass. Chase them out of female spaces!

( youwholou )
YES. Same for TIFs. I made the mistake of thinking they were harmless and I ended up getting sexually harassed by them. Their mindset is so toxic and fueled by misogyny and porn. Don't let these people into your lives and spaces if you can help it.

( jeannedeaux )
The testosterone overdose cannot possibly be helping. I've read that TIF violent-crime rates increase to nearly match those of men after they go on T.

( XxWomanxX )
As a gen z currently surrounded by these TIMs I approve of this message . They are into some of the most disgusting fetishes 🤢 Seriously don’t let their youth fool you they will eventually turn into the classic creepy middle aged AGP as they age. The only difference is that now they have been given the confidence to act out their fetishes in the open and then being praised for being their authentic self

( itsnotaboutewe )
These teen boys who come out as trans seem to change from being young men who were brought up to be respectful towards their elders and polite to women and girls, and turn into disgusting and hateful misogynists who take enjoyment from tormenting and threatening women. I wonder what their mothers think of their new and horrifying personalities? Is this stuff lurking under the polite facade of every male?

spacykate #ableist #enbyphobia ovarit.com

San Francisco's Bay to Breakers, known for its zany inclusivity, refuses to give awards to nonbinary runners

This is entirely ridiculous, this is a bunch of nobodies pretending that they're the same as the men's and women's elite runner category. Its like giving the retarded kid a BS award so they can stand on the podium too.

sojourner_truth_ #transphobia ovarit.com

Oh look! Yet another AGP telling women we should be aroused by what makes HIS balls tingle, because that's what being a woman is!

Gotta love the trans logic: Imagining myself as a woman makes me horny > women are threatened with sexual violence by street harassment > I wish someone would desire me enough to catcall and harass me, but no man ever will because I'm a hideous neandrathol looking hun > women are woman-ing wrong if they don't like threats of sexual violence > those ingrates should be so lucky to be sexually harassed > I'm doing women an honor when I sexually harass them!

Various Commenters #transphobia #crackpot #dunning-kruger #psycho ovarit.com

Indian surgeon plans to transplant womb into a TRANS woman and get them pregnant in world-first op that could pave way for biological men to get pregnant

( MadSea )
Very much looking forward to the deaths this fool will cause with his mad science experiments.

Also, how is it a transplant if there was never one there to begin with? Wouldn’t it just be an implant?

( hmimperialtortie )
Someone should say he’s a TRANSPHOBE 😱 because he’ll kill the poor helpless twans wimmin who Just Wanna Have Babies doing this.

( Stealthygal )
Clearly he's doing this to kill TW on purpose

( hmimperialtortie )
It’s his cunning plan to get rid of them. Muahahahaha!

( RusticTroglodyte )
Only a total deluded fuckhead would voluntarily sign up to give birth and I say that as someone who has a kid look

Jk but Srsly how fucking privileged can these ppl get

( hmimperialtortie )
Ain’t that the truth.

Far as I’m concerned it’s Schadenfreude all the way if these filthy scrotes do finally suffer the consequences of their perversions and misogyny.

( RighteousIndignation )
good point its an implant and it will rot and be attacked by the body, they cant even keep their neo virginas open without dilating them daily to stop the body healing them like the wound they are, how the hell is a uterus not going to get attacked by the immune system and shrivel up into a little rotten ball that causes blood poisoning.


( crodish )
Seriously, with other organs like the heart and liver etc the body at least has DNA blueprints for those, because both sexes have the same organs. A male body is going to have zero idea what to do with a female uterus. The person is going on have to be on a ridiculous amount of anti-rejection medications and hormones and blood transfusions.

I like too that somehow we're not hearing a huge outcry from the ethics boards about this...

various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: New poll shows more than 52% of likely Democratic voters in Florida back 'Don't Say Gay' bill | Daily Mail Online

(hard_headed_woman )
I've seen some non-binary, crazy young women who claim to be teachers, and the things they are telling their students is awful.

I'm truly starting to wonder whether I support full employment rights for "transgender" crazies.

(NoOneSpecial )
The T literally cannibalized the LGB and destroyed all the hard work that has been done to gain our acceptance. Shame on these sexist proliferators of the gender divide.

Same thing happened with the Equality Act. They mashed gender ideology with basic understanding about same-sex attraction, making the protection of one (LGB folk) dependent on the peddling of the other (transgender nonsense). Horribly, "protecting" transgenderism as these people claim to be doing directly removes the safeguarding of the LGB community. You cannot protect against discrimination based on sexual orientation if sexual orientation doesn't exist. They handed a win to all the religious homophobes.

This is what happens when you don't protect sex as a class from discrimination, but you're more than willing to protect sexist gender stereotypes.

(NO )
See? You trans people will make it so gay people lose rights. Can't you put your willy away for one second? I know you think your erections are more important than all women globally and all gay and bi men combined and here you're seeing the consequences.

Leave us gays the fuck out of your ideology.


( Ladylucy )
TRAs are doing more than causing gays to lose their rights. They’re trying to wipe gays by transitioning gay, lesbian and bi kids. I read that some gays are calling it the “gay genocide or gay eugenics.”


( Amareldys )
This goes beyond gay and women's rights.

They are asking people to literally lie in a major way and say things are the opposite of what they are. Not to pretend for the sake of niceness... but to literally believe a lie. Everyone. Not just gays. Not just women. Everyone.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: instinctively repelled by trans people

( actualdyke )
I think it's absolutely a primal thing because I experience this too and I know a lot of other women do as well. you can thank millennia of evolution for hardwiring your brain to spot threats / danger / poison etc. if your brain reacts with disgust and repulsion when you see a balding middle-aged man with his beer gut spilling out of his crop top and PVC skirt, then congratulations, you are an evolutionary success!


( Gladys_Kravitz )
Oh this is definitely an evolutionary response.

I think we react with even more revulsion (compared to non TIMs) because what we're seeing is a fundamentally dishonest man, and dishonest men are dangerous and unpredictable.


( actualdyke )
not just dishonest dangerous and unpredictable, but almost certainly sexually perverted as well.

( Gladys_Kravitz )
I mean, they're inherently repulsive. They've deliberately chosen to reside in Uncanny Valley.

(XX_Power )
I have the same reaction to trans males, it's visceral. I think it's a mix of the uncanny valley response which is innate, and the experience that they're always huge misogynists. Female trans people i don't have that reaction at all, i mostly feel pity.


( MissMilotic )
Yes I have definitely noticed that MTF men are often far more narcissistic and difficult to deal with than FTM women. Obviously some FTMs can be insufferable but it seems quite a bit rarer, whereas MTFs often seem to want lots of attention and to feel sexually desirable.


( AGP_awareness )
Most of them are AGPs, so it goes with the territory.

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( actualdyke )
trans people are some of the most vile, cruel, hatefully misogynistic individuals on earth. and no, i'm not making any addendums or exceptions to that statement. almost every single thing I hear from one of them just makes me more and more convinced that there isn't a single good person in this movement bc how can you support ANY of the shit they say and stand for without being morally rotted to the core?


( XX_Power )
For sure every trans male is a huge misogynist. You wouldn't appropriate womanhood if you're not a misogynist, it's really easy as that. Trans females I'd generally say are victims, although some of them are also abusers (looking at the ACLU TIF)


( KissMyOvaries )
Unpopular opinion, but many TIFs slip into the victimizer role pretty quickly. I don’t buy that they are simply victims. Most are narcissistic and don’t see the damage they are doing with their attacks on womanhood that actually make it harder for others to seek out treatment (because they are supporting the whole damn system that doesn’t allow treatment other than affirmation). The narcissism doesn’t end after desisting or detransitioning as they are unable to see the suffering of anyone but detrans people (Watson and Kiera Bell are two prime examples of this, as both still cannot see beyond themselves and those exactly like themselves, it’s COMPLETELY BEYOND THEM the widespread damage that the movement has caused to others). It’s maddening how damn self centered they remain. Like way to go, Kiera, telling others to “just be kind” when there’s a damn reason for our anger, even towards YOU now, simply for saying such crap. And for those who disagree with me, you haven’t been forced to endure continuing dysphoric symptoms because you know there’s no therapeutic help available if you are actually honest with your therapist, in the age of “affirmation ONLY” in therapy.


( Gladys_Kravitz )
I agree with this. For the sake of integrity, I will admit I'm partially biased because of first-hand experiences that were very traumatizing.

Overall what I see is a lot of damaged girls and young women trying to find a way to navigate that damage. Sure, a lot ARE victims who are frantically searching for a way to avoid future assaults. But a growing number of them choose the path of victimizer. Why they do this, I don't know. There are a multitude of reasons in my opinion.

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Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What if the word we suddenly couldn't define anymore was "children"?

( actualdyke )
I know this is a hypothetical at the moment but I don't put it past them for one second that this is their next step. They're already doing everything they can to push the idea that children CAN consent to things being done to their body. They're also trying to convince everyone that children have a fully formed identity by the age of fucking 2, which is clearly an attempt to adultify children and make them seem much smarter and wiser than they actually are. do you see where i’m going with this?

add to that the disturbing amount of TW who identify as little girls and wear diapers and suck on pacifiers... I would say the next logical step in this thinking is to claim that age, much like a gender is a social construct, and since toddlers are smart and wise enough to consent to being trans, and since transage TW are completely valid and stunning, what's to stop a real toddler and a trans toddler from ... i'm not going to finish the sentence but you and I both know what their endgame here is.


( pennygadget )
Agreed. Abolishing the age of sexual consent is the logical next step after legislating that literal toddlers can consent to legally changing their name & gender and that an 8 year old can consent to drugs that will permanently alter their genitals and sexuality.

Also, I suspect the rise in puberty blockers is partially to create a generation of young people who are legally adults but have the minds & bodies of children due to being artificially delayed with drugs.

( XX_Power )
This is the endgame of the transhumanists and paedos and perverts leading this cult. The end goal is both the disappearance of women's rights and the legalization of child abuse and child rape, obviously both of these are deeply connected.

( SecondSkin )
Queer theory has always been about breaking down boundaries. The MAPs have long been pushing their legitimacy and many tq are all for it (or are them). And if trans kids can consent to life altering medical treatment then they can consent to sex can’t they? That’s always been where this was heading, and it’s never been hidden. Drag queens twerking in school and libraries in lingerie-not subtle the agenda being pushed is it?

Various Commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

TiM is "furious" that female children "get to experience [girlhood] daily without any effort"

( butchplease )
"I'm all "No, I don't wanna go home!" but my mom and the birthday girl's mom tell me "it's a sleepover party. Boys aren't allowed at a girls' sleepover." I was so, so far from understanding that I'm trans at the time that I just didn't have any reply to that. I knew it felt wildly unfair. Like, why? Why is that a rule? But, that was the rule, so I left, just utterly crushed inside for not being allowed to stay. For not being allowed, as I understand it now, to just be "one of the girls" with the rest of them. It's been forty-five years, and I'm still not letting that one go."

This is so beyond pathetic 🤣🤣🤣 oh the childhood trauma of encountering a female space and being told no for the first time in your entitled violent boylife, so you decide to become a skinwalker who intrudes on EVERY intimate female space and destroys all female human rights! Nothing screams "lowlife woman-hater with the potential to murder a feminist one day" like a fifty-year-old manchild who's still throwing testerical fits over that one time he wasn't allowed to intrude on the girls as a child.

( DishonorableTofu )
That comment really disgusted me on another level...

( Earthmoon )
“There is a girl at school I would have literally killed to be”

Why are we supposed to accept these males who regularly talk about how they want to murder us out of jealousy? Plenty of women are jealous of other women and it doesn’t manifest in this kind of talk.

It also couldn’t be clearer that this is a fetish. Sleepovers and trying on clothes? Go do that with some other perverts if you want it so bad. Are those things something that’s portrayed often in porn or something? It really didn’t figure into any girl’s life that I know and it didn’t figure in media much either. I don’t understand where they get it from.

( OwnLyingEyes )
Ahh, so he didn't want A girlhood, he wanted HER girlhood. Or his fetid, fervent imaginings of her girlhood.

Likely porn, and anime, and anime porn. Anime plays up the cute airheaded giggling young girls trope bigtime, generally for male eyes and male desires.

( gncautistic )
If men could cut us open and crawl inside our skins and wear it, they would.

Always be cautious of TIMs. Always.

( mountainwitch )
IRL Skinwalkers

femlez34 , pennygadget & AngelFoodCake #transphobia ovarit.com

🍎 how can you tell
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( femlez34 )
Easy, the ones who start hurling slurs and rape threats when you refuse to date them are not the women. The ones talking over everyone else and demanding that everyone walk on eggshells to protect their feelings are not the women.

( pennygadget )
The "cis" women won't be dressing like middle school girls at an anime convention

(AngelFoodCake )
By referring to everyone as a he and see who loses their shit.

sojourner_truth_ #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Trans rights are the ultimate 'First World Problem'

You're right, and I'd add that forcing working class people to trans pander and do your pronoun prayers on top of the real problems they have is abusive. The mental load of living paycheck to paycheck takes a toll. Then comes the narcissistic pervert TIM or the special snowflake enby who gets to flex on this person and make stupid demands, and pitch a screaming fit if they get their pronouns wrong, or if the mentally fragile TIP even thinks they don't fully believe the larp. It's disgusting to me. So classist on top of every other vile characteristic wrong with Gender Identity Extremism.

I'm an expat, which is a more priviliged version of an immigrant. When I botch things speaking the local language, people are very kind and forgiving, and are just happy I'm trying. What about the immigrants who aren't as privileged, who might struggle with normal pronouns in English? Chinese people and Finns for example just literally cannot reliably get pronouns correct, it's too much mental calculus for them because they have only a gender neutral 3rd person pronoun in their native languages. Now add this insanity on top of it, with the threat of having a TIP go psycho and try to get you fired or arrested for getting it wrong. That's nowhere near fair. All to indulge someone's delusions or kinks, you'll put working class people and foreigners through hell on Earth?

God, I hate everything about this bullshit.

Lilith-Fair & SakuraBlossoms #transphobia ovarit.com

(Lilith-Fair )
Pro-Choice TRAs Are Not Your Allies
I've noticed this for quite some time now how TRAs, including woke "mainstream media" completely ignore a lot of women telling them we don't want people using dehumanizing languages to describe us. It is mind-boggling to watch them completely ignore women's complaints. When women point out they're using disgusting dehumanizing languages, they simply ignore women under the auspice of "transphobes". The so-woke Francesca Hong doesn't even bother to delete her tweet when people tell her it defies logic to call women seeing abortions "birthing bodies". WaPo, NPR, NYT, NY Mag, all of them continue to ignore women's complaints and use demeaning dehumanizing languages and languages that erase women like "birthing people", "uterus havers", "people with uteruses", and "pregnant people".

When people tell you who they are, believe them. They may be pro-choice, but have no mercy or compassion for women. These are people see us as breeders and bodies, not full human beings. Biological women who aren't onboard with them are "transphobes". "Transphobes" are not human with rights and deserve to be punched and killed.

For the same reason conservatives against genderwoo are not your allies, pro-choice TRAs are not your allies. They don't care about you.

(SakuraBlossoms )
It's more than just dehumanizing. They are blatantly helping conservatives by refusing to call abortion bans what they are, misogynistic attacks on women.

If someone opts for terminology like "birthing bodies" at a time like this, which requires them to intentionally avoid any mention of the misogyny inherent to policing women's health decisions, they are literally willing to sink all of our reproductive rights to virtue signal to a deluded superminority. Very recently would everyone correctly be calling this a "War on Women," yet now this type of language is largely absent from many major news organizations. If it is more important to them to score woke points than use the concise language necessary to fight for women's rights, they are betraying all women, including the deluded ones who think they are men. I've seen enough of them stumbling over words to know that these people care more about their own self-image than women's rights.

butchplease , OwnLyingEyes & notyourfetish #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Detrans woman says she was irresponsibly allowed to have a mastectomy at age 16. Then a TIM called "f terfs" butts in to whine "...B-but I didn't consent to puberty!!"

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(butchplease )

Female body surgically and medically abused; male body saved on account of its maleness. That's privilege in action.

( OwnLyingEyes )
FFS. This sounds like repurposed incel whining that they didn't consent to not having sex, trans addition.

Your body doing something it does all on its very own is not the same thing as someone doing something to your body.

( notyourfetish )
These people are completely and totally self-absorbed. They don't care about anyone else at all.

A woman had her body irreversibly mutilated, ffs.

Various Commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

Reject the evidence of your eyes
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( LunarWolf )
Anyone think that maybe all those law and policy makers are pushing this so hard because it mentally prepares us for authoritarianism? If they can get us to believe that the obvious man standing in front of us is a woman because he says so, then we have lost touch with our most basic ability to trust ourselves and must always turn to outer authority to tell us what to do and what to believe?


( haruspex )
The last time I suggested this, I got called a tin-foil hatter conspiracy theorist 🙃


( kalina )
Yes, at this point it really feels like a social experiment to see how far you can push people.


( bossythecow )
I absolutely do. I think the massive success of trans ideology cannot be solely attributed to sexism. I think there are opportunistic powerful people leveraging this ideology because training people to ignore their instincts, shut up, toe the party line, etc helps consolidate global hegemonies. It also divides and weakens the left and removes a potentially massively powerful source of resistance (women united) from the public sphere. Call me paranoid, but if you know anything about information warfare, it makes a terrifying amount of sense.


( Amareldys )
I sometimes wonder if it is a psyops by the far Right or Russia to discredit the left


( VirginiaWolfberry )
Recommend watching Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.


( bossythecow )
I don't think trans ideology was created whole-cloth as a psyop, but I do think it's being exploited and leveraged by those in power who wish to weaken the left, hence the absolute explosion in prevalence in discourse over the past 5-10 years.


( TheactualNovember )
Yes. It's Maoist as fuck. Big pharma and the western medical complex also has a stake in this because transhumanism could be very lucrative.


( TheactualNovember )
I would say that's absolutely correct.


( Amareldys )
Yes. I wonder that all the time. And it makes me seriously question voting democratic... not just because of the harm to women and feminism, but because it seems like they're trying to get us to deny reality across the board.

But the republicans have Trump... and keep rolling back environmental protections...

hufflepuff-poet & Jessica91 #transphobia ovarit.com

( hufflepuff-poet )

I'm not going to say the TRA grooming is abuse on par with CSA or other things that evil people do to children but

I think TRA grooming is on par with CSA and should be punished and ostracized and safeguarded against just like we safeguard against CSA. The movement promotes kid's dissociating from their bodies, especially their genitalia, isolates them from adults who want to protect them, and tells kid's that they only have one path to happiness and anything less will leave them suicidal; that their lives are only worth something if they can conform to the cult.

Just because TRAs aren't actively molesting and raping kids doesn't mean their actions don't have the same impact on kids. They are grooming kids for a lifetime of pain and suffering and disconnection from their sexual selves and prepping them for actual predators to easily take advantage of them. This is a predator rights movement and their main targets are children and women, especially lesbians.


( Jessica91 )
Also how many of us are in these TRA spaces?

Maybe I’m an old lady but back in the days of MySpace we were seriously warned about predators on the internet. There were guides and that to help us spot them. But all that seems out the window now and kids seem to have free reign access to the internet and adults free reign access to the kids.

I was so dumb back then I didn’t even know how to delete my internet history.

But these people are accessing kids and grooming them with their propaganda, if they’re doing that then it’s not at all out of the realm of possibility there’s sexual abusive involved especially with the heavy focus that TRA has on genitals and dysphoria. The way that they go about grooming both adults and children into trans ideology, it’s not far removed that they’d also be convincing children to send photographs, have web chats, sending extreme pornography or child pornography to them…

XX_Power #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

What a beautiful and not at all regressive thing to teach a child!
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"child, that is a bog standard woman/man who's hiding their sex (in most cases, badly) and it is a red flag, especially for the male ones who are often groomers or paedo adjacent. Their cult demands you call them by obfuscating pronouns because only through this prayer will the gender deity save them from bad mental health. So it's basically a modern religion, or cult"

Various TERFs #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What trans ‘influencers’ post vs reality

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(TheCakeIsALie)
Oh lord. My stepson told me something like "most of the time you can't even tell who's trans" and I audibly snorted. He absolutely must believe the bottom pictures are real. Lies on lies on lies.

(TheRoyalJesterf)
These are the same people?! Holy shit in the top pics they look like jocks who decided to “dress as the cheerleaders” for Halloween as a sexist joke…

(f_by_nature)
Another reason this stuff can only make sense long-term online - the light of day exposes the truth. When you're out in the real-world, being seen from all sorts of angles, and crucially moving around in all kinds of natural light, these camera tricks stop working. I've often been somewhat convinced by someone, only for them to move or see a clip of them walking and it all become clear.

Holy crap.

Someone should start a collection of these. Maybe me, who knows.

Let's make a circle o/TIMstagramReality

Jessica91 #transphobia ovarit.com

“What defines a woman” is stupid

I’m honestly just so tired of having to repeatedly chew over this stupid statement because no one can ever answer it and whatever you say TRA can twist to use for their own narrative and it ends up with us just being dehumanised and reduced to our wombs.

The issue is that everything a man knows or thinks he understands about a woman’s experience has come from a lifetime of being socialised to believe he has some kind of right over her, even to the point he can mock and dehumanise her further by performatively wearing her clothes and accessing her spaces. His humiliation fetish off the charts because what could be more humiliating than being a woman.

Women themselves can’t even define it because how do you explain something that just is? Anytime we’ve ever attempted to discuss anything that affects us it is mocked or fetishised, even down to things we can’t control like our periods, childbirth and breastfeeding.

Anytime I hear trans “women” discuss femininity it is always from the perspective of a man’s ideal sexualisation of women. It’s hair and makeup, spinny skirts and high heels. They pick up talking points like cat calling with no true understanding of how it feels because they’re never really in danger. How are they able to access (on at least some insurance providers) laser hair removal? How can they possibly feel more Dysphoric than say a woman with PCOS who has to shave her face everyday?

Womanhood isn’t something I get to switch off, it’s mine because it’s my birthright. I am a woman always and the world never mistakes me for anything else. Womanhood isn’t dresses and makeup and giggly sleepovers with your friends. It is raw, wild and untamed, it’s ruthless and unapologetic, it is both fierce and afraid at the same time.

And even in all of that, in all the rawness womanhood boils down to, there will still be a man who would read that and masturbate to it.

Apologies for the rant and my dyslexic mistakes

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